@@glennoconnor1130 Ramones sound American too but Dee Dee Ramone was punk AF, that's the difference Ramones could cover Beach Boys and have some really poppy stuff but they still sounded edgy and I'm from NY, and Green Day definitely were not edgy
Exactly. As a teen I did not even like their “new stuff” at the time and I was the demographic. I must admit I did enjoy some of the stuff from like Woodstock 94, but they never progressed. They started wearing makeup and went along with the emo trends of My Chemical Romance and all of that. I mean when an established band needs to copy the common trends it’s pretty pathetic. I get that into one’s late 30s it would be a bit silly to continue to have songs about alcohol and masterbating, but if all you can do is copy what’s trendy maybe it’s time to stop. Whenever Green Day comes up I think “What if they just stopped in about 1996”. They would be this fun throw back band. Reminding people of Zema and ice beer, but they obviously made millions going completely mainstream and selling out stadiums for people that were not even born when they produced listenable music.
Sick burn! Lydon lost his ability to horrify people with his music so he has to resort to clownish self parody like this. John is the Gene Simmons of GG Aliins
its ironic considering the Sex pistols id almost say had very little talent especially sid vicious that was a statement not someone who can actually play music
If you think John likes to give "punk rules" then you don't know about him well enough. He's been saying for years that "punks" themselves hurt the punk movement by adapting a sort of "uniform" with the mohawks and leather jackets, etc. Instead he said "Punk is about being yourself, an original. Not looking or being like everyone else"
I’m American, and love 70’s punk enough to know Lydon owes his career to the Ramones and sheer luck. Green Day were a harmless 90’s band and I don’t know a single person that gives a s*** about them above the age of 18.
He has written alot of other songs about his own experiences, Basket case about his struggle with anxiety, Welcome to Paradise is about Billie moving out of his house into a decrepit warehouse, Wake me up When september ends is about the death of his father. That's just a few examples. The majority of his songs are about personal experiences.
Sorry John, I like the pistols, but this is just not true. I think every song on Dookie, Nimrod, Insomniac, Kerplunk, 39 smooth is about personal experiences.
Maybe so but unfortunately I would have to fight my way through a wall of musical cliches to get to whatever they're saying. I'm old school like John of course but, no doubt like him, my appetite for hearing their message isn't whetted by the music carrying it.
@@P3GProductions nah I love their one fucking album and it's better than anything greendays ever produced but he's just being a plain knob at this point
Does calling someone "butthurt" basically say they're whining? Interesting charactarization. But guess what? Johnny Rotten is a fucking phony through an dthrough. The Ramones taught them everything they know.
@@thefakengx3839 tbf nevermind the bollocks is also better than anything 99% of bands will ever make, including some of the best bands the world has ever known
I've never really thought about Green Day that much, not a fan but John is spot on, they have been so influenced by others they lost their own ability to go their own way. John, you keep coming up with some gems!
@@refluxcatalyst7190yeah haha yes i do kinda like sid even though he was the biggest poser of that band lol but once I saw marky ramone fight rotten i realized what malcolm did he tried to manage the dolls and met richard hell and put together his boy band in england and sid was supposed to be the singer btw
I'm a huge green day fan, and all though I disagree with him he still stated his opinion in a very respectful way. He has the right to think that and it didn't feel like he was shoving it down our throats
@jake scott Dude if you are thinking selling yourself out for a butter advert is any way shape or form punk you'd really want to go away and have a talk to yourself. It's laughable.
@jake scott How is it punk? Yes punk is a variety of different things in a sense I'll grant you but selling out isn't very punk is it?? Yes Green Day "sold out" in many people's eyes or ears but at least it wasn't from doing commercials etc. I just can't stand the fact that Johnny Rotten thinks he can judge a band that have done a heck of a lot more in their careers then he could ever dream of. Bitter bollix.
Dude you put Oh love as an example well of course that's not punk if we go to kerplunk dookie 1,039/smooth that's true Green Day or insomniac is a good example but oh love no way
He’s had this opinion and this interview was conducted well before Oh Love, American Idiot and even Warning. This video’s been chopped up for your CZcams pleasure
Yeah, Green Day got me into punk. They would cover the Ramones, Operation Ivy, Screeching Weasel, the Clash, Sex Pistols, and I then got into them through that, continued with Dead Kennedys, etc. But at this point I would say Johnny Rotten is even _less_ punk than Green Day is, he was in a damn butter commericial for sake. A millionaire who kicks people of his mansion lawn. Green Day still writes songs for the sake of fun, even if they have went in the poppy direction esp. since the release of Insomniac. Anyways, Im saying the Sex Pistols as a band may be great, but I dont think Johnny has a say in whether or not something is punk anymore.
@@iris5403 When you're there at the start of punk and managed to piss off a government through image and music like Johnny has and Greenday haven't then You can say WTF you want 😂😂😂🤘🤘🤘👎👎👎
First Time i heard Greenday in the early 90’s, my first thought was « posers, trying to be the new sex pistols » and i still do even tho i like a few Greenday’s songs. The fact is, people like it or not, SP=OG
same i like some Green Day songs and I really like Ramones core stuff which Green Day is but what Rotten said is actually right about them in my opinion. i think rotten didn't like ramones either because he saw them as gimmicky but Ramones were deep in their own way especially Dee Dee Ramone
Everything he says is out of jealousy when he speaks about other bands. What he said was just not even true about Green Day I'm not even a Green Day fan and I know that their first albums like dookie are purely original and '80s punk and skatepunk are absolutely American and they have nothing to do with England. He just has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
@@benzodiazepinerecoveryarmy8424why would the pioneer of punk rock who went on to find great success even after the sex pistols be jealous of a band that sold out after 5 albums ?
@@benzodiazepinerecoveryarmy8424actually you're right he was jealous of ramones joe strummer and iggy and i think when marky ramone said sid was the star he got jealous of his dead friend sid 😅
That's a retort to a different argument than the one I'm making. I am saying that if your whole mission statement as a band is to simply be a gimmick, void of any discernible identity of itself, you're not gonna last as a group. You're just not. Being a touring band, no matter how big the label you're signed to is, is fucking tough. You've got to really have the passion for your craft in order to survive it without burning out, and these people have been doing it since the early 90's, all 3 of them, without a single one of them backing out. You can say whatever may about the quality of their music, but to suggest a band like that is merely "riding the coattails" is to be a profound idiot.
I liked this video because Lydon wasn't like "FUCK GREEN DAY I HATE THEM", he just said why he doesn't like them in a calm manner. I completely disagree with him though. Green Day is the best.
Johnny Bottoms is crazy same with Sid Biscuits their band Six Pistols was great back in the day what raw and powerful music probably one of my favorite bands.
greenday dookie and insomniac are great albums, they expressed themselves honestly and whether i enjoy the music or not, i respect any musicians that do that
those albums were garbage. I remember when Green Day played NYC in 95. German punk band Die Toten Hosen opened for them and blew Green Day off the stage. When Green Day came on there were reports that it was underwhelming. People looked bored. Howard Stern also talked about it on his radio show. The day after that show Green Day's management had Die Toten Hosen removed from the tour.
I am not Green Day fan boy but what he says is completely unfair, personal experience play a part in some part of their writing you can't say it doesn't
There is pop punk and there is punk rock. There is an American scene, there is an English scene, there is 1 wave of punk, 2, 3. Any style progresses, changes, without variability any style and in General anything will die out. Underground and avant-garde are available in any style. Thus, it is impossible to be limited and unambiguous, these properties allow you to degrade. Degradation is the absence of development, progress, and change. Don't want to listen to pop punk, listen to hardcore punk, don't want hardcore, listen to pop punk.
@@AportesKike But it's the origin of punk. Whatever is being sold as punk nowadays ain't really punk, it's only the punk label attached to something that isn't punk. If you care so much about other people and earth, then call yourself a hippie.
@@XX-pq9mb MAGA is the establishment, crony capitalist, sexual assault, elitist claptrap. I mean, it's exactly like if Lydon was saying Joe Biden or Bill Clinton are punk. Backing up the establishment is literally anti-punk.
Everything johny says is out of jealousy when he speaks about other bands. What he said was just not even true about Green Day I'm not even a Green Day fan and I know that their first albums like dookie are purely original and '80s punk and skatepunk are absolutely American and they have nothing to do with England. He just has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
Billie Joe sang in an English affect. They were Bay Area skate punk, but HEAVILY influenced by British first wave punk. Billie even wore a Sid-padlock lol
John Lydon has a huge point... The sex pistols changed the world, PIL changed the world of music. Lydon never "sold out"( compromise isn't the same thing). Punk isn't a music genre it's a way of life. Green Day can easily go down the anti-establishment 5 lane highway that was cut from Sir Lydon's trail of blood, sweat and tears. In short, it's easier to be "punk" now days...thanks to John.
Was countrylife butter a compromise? What about arguing over royalties and song rights? Touring the same album multiple times as a money grab? Putting sex pistols songs on guitar hero, for money. Being a contestant on I'm a celebrity.. I could go on..
Wattie Buchan of the hardcore punk band, “The Exploited” said that even though Green Day has all that money and record companies, they will never have any respect from the punk community. "You can’t buy it you have to earn it.”
They have earned the respect of some punks such as Joey Ramone, Joe Strummer, Glen Matlock (who has said that he has to watch what he says about Green Day because of John Lydon & occasionally goes to their concerts) & Jello Biafra
Many do respect them, including Bob Mould, Jello Biafra, Milo Aukermann, Joey Ramone, Glen Matlock, Mike Ness, Poly Styrene. However, most punks hate them.
I'm a punk but I do have alot of respect for green day cuz those dudes started the band when the were just kids and they truly did work hard to accomplish the things that they have. I used to love sex pistols but when John is dissing green day, he totally describes himself.
+Blitz K If Green Day weren't a 2 dimensional punk rock parody, I think Johnny Rotten probably would've been able to get behind them. Hell I love both the Sex Pistols & Green Day's music, but even I know that Green Day aren't punk rock material.
Tbh i find it rich coming from any member of the Sex Pistols to think they have the authority to say what is punk considering atleast Green day had a DIY attitude and never took the easy route. The Sex Pistols on the other hand were nothing but a major label cash grab they had little to no talent Why do you think sid vicious was in their he was the most punk there but he was more a statement then someone instrumental to the band, Also atleast Green day do things the way they want to do and have delivered everytime they are in a class of their own but the sex pistols are in the shadow of the ramones and they arent even anywhere close to the best British Punk band, The clash
Lydon is not talking about the songwriting. he is talking about the punk rock posing. he is saying Green Day is just a parody of punk rock. Nothing punk about them. Punk is just a marketing angle for them
PIL is new wave, post punk at best. Punk is a mind set, with a diy attitude built off of sweat and the love of music. Green Day was around for years before Dookie went wild. Try looking up the Gillian street collective. They played with Operation Ivy. The offspring had been touring in a van since 1987 and have almost been around as long as Nofx. Seen them twice, in 93,and 94 just after smashed launched at Roman’s Ron d vu, in rapid city sd. They opened for the bouncing souls. I helped load their equipment into the venue from their van because I didn’t have the $5 to get in. And for the record punk was over in 78.
I love Never Mind the Bollocks... but at it's core it was repackaged rock and roll. Based on this and other interviews Lydon seems to think the Pistols were the only truly original band ever to have existed.
my takes as a gd fan: 1) he is right about the trilogy. they’re still good catchy albums but not from a punk standpoint. more like a pop stand point sadly. they redeemed themselves with revolution radio but it went downhill again after mother of all (but they are trying to get out of the contract and get it over with so we’ll just collectively forget about that album lol) 2) i think johnny is a try hard and a hypocrite. dude literally said that trump is the only hope when he should be going against people like that. doesn’t punk mean against big oppressive government, rather than style? besides the sex pistols are literally industry plants themselves. without vivienne westwood’s designs they wouldn’t have popularized the punk look. i think he should be focusing on his current bands and treating his sick wife instead of going around, projecting negativity on everyone, and being a grump. sex pistols still slaps hard tho ngl
Its music, it dosnt have to say anything, or mean anything, dosnt belong to a particular group of people. Music is there to connect, love, its for fun, feeds youre emotions, it dosnt belong in a box, Thats true punk, criticizing artist or music and doing what they love, is the opposite
that's true and Rotten is wrong when he thinks punk has to be political or have a deep message but i have to agree with him that green day are 2 dimensional damn can we make punk edgy again
"If only they could offer me something of their own, just something that came completely from their own life experiences" Their entire album "Insomniac" is pretty much about self loathing, depression and addiction.
Lyndon's just wrong. His argument only really holds true for Uno and Dos. Just about every other Green Day album, the majority of the songs come from Armstrong's personal experiences. Also, Lyndon can be a much bigger sellout than Armstrong (see: butter commercials, reality TV, and Sex Pistols reunions.) He still does things with genuine passion (see: Public Image Ltd, his solo album) so he's not a complete sellout, but it bugs me that he thinks he's above Green Day
Honestly Johnny is just mad about green day because his band never won anything and he only thinks he's above them because the sex pistols were around before green day was even a thought. It's not about the skill, it's about the passion. Everyone has their own expressions and the way I see it, you don't have to hate on a band or artist just because you don't like their sound. Just because a certain sound is there that you don't like doesn't mean it's bad, clearly if green day and the sex pistols are both in Fame and the music industry then there is nothing that Johnny bad about green day. He should be happy that the band loves his music because sadly not a lot of people wanted the sex pistols to perform because of how vulgar people saw them as. No hate towards green day or sex pistols but they both have made music history and they are both great.
@@TheAwesomeguy559 What are you talking about you clown 🤡🤡😂😂 Pistols won an R&R award but didn't acknowledge it cuz of the fakery that the R&R hall of fame is. Do your research kiddo cuz the Pistols won an award in the UK as well 🤡🤡🤡
Not hard to see how sour he is that Green Day was more successful. No disrespect to his band but you can't deny what Green Day is. They have been on top of the world multiple times and are still extremely popular to this day and still putting out music that reaches #1 on many different charts. I appreciate what this man did for punk but it's clear that jealousy has clouded his judgement.
The whole "they're just jealous" argument is really tired, and fails to address the substance of what he's actually saying. For one thing, John Lydon is a multi-millionaire celebrity whose band got in the RnR Hall of Fame at least 10-15 years before Green Day did. Moreover, his band is recognized as one of the most important and influential of all time, despite only putting out one album. There isn't a whole lot he has to be jealous of here. Second, he doesn't hate Green Day because they're successful. He hates them because they call themselves punk rockers when they've done nothing to earn that tag. At no point in their career did they ever pose a serious threat (or *any* threat at all) to the established order, nor have they done anything original or groundbreaking with their music. They're really just suburban kids who got rich and famous copying the 70s punk sound and writing catchy songs without any of the danger or attitude that characterizes punk. Those are perfectly valid complaints, I'd say.
He has a absolutely no reason to be jealous,the pistols were aggressive original and 100% real, green day Are tofu eating poseurs that think they're Cool by attacking Trump And wearing make up
Think of the irony of Johnny calling green day fakes. These were kids who grew up on his music that got together in highschool as friends to start their own garage band and they made it successful on their own without compromising their original sound. Thats what you think of as an authentic band origin. Meanwhile theres the pistols and johnny brought together by a sleazy music producer out to manufacture the next big thing to make a buck. From the beginning they had no soul to sell out. Johnny wasnt even an original member. He auditioned for the part. It was equivalent of a reality show. Sure they made people angry and got people talking. As did the bad boys of the jersey shore.
I do respect the king of punks, Johny Rotten but as other people mention in this section, this is absolutely NOT true. And for the record, Green Day proved to be a much greater, loyal and united band than the Pistols. That also goes for the quality (and quantity) of songs as well as live performances. Truth hurts. So the world could care less about J.R.'s truth on this topic. End of discussion.
Some more discussion: If you honestly think Green Day make better music than the Sex Pistols did then I think your taste might change when you get older if you remain interested enough in rock music. Steve Jones and Paul Cook were great rock and roll musicians and John wrote interesting lyrics about interesting topics. But personal taste is personal. John doesn't claim he and e.g. Glen Matlock were "loyal" to each other or "united," and that's irrelevant to how good music is. Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker hated each other personally and knew they sounded great together.
I understand that you are a fan of Green Day and I have no problem with that. But to say that Green Day's material is PROVEN to be greater than the Pistols' is very pretentious and kinda stupid. Green Day wouldn't be around if it weren't for bands such as the Pistols and The Clash and the Kennedys.
Political Dunce I respect people's opinions and if you think Green Day are better than the Pistols I ain't got a problem. It's people who will tell me that Green Day are better I have a problem with.
Political Dunce I love the bands first five albums, after that they lose me. I find American Idiot incredibly overrated, I liked it when they were a bit more punky in the 90's.
I would say that Johnny Rotten as he is now is less punk than Green Day. He shouldnt have shit to say about whether or not something is Punk, he is a millionaire who spits on the working class now, not the anarchy fueled, broke punk kid he once was. Compare that to Green Day on the other hand who, while they have had their spells of quite non-punk music (21st century break down, Uno! Dos! Tre!, and even American Idiot) they have come back with Revolution Radio, and even though they are considered "sell outs" they never became the stuck up shit that Johnny Rotten did. They still play small gigs, usually under different names (Pinhead Gunpowder, Foxboro Hottubs) they still hold up the punk, or pop punk, spirit in a way that Johnny Rotten sure as hell doesnt do anymore. And 1039 Smooth, Kerplunk, Insomniac, and even Nimrod are sure as hell punk.
I like Green Day. I like the Sex Pistols. I don't confer with my friends before hand if a band is Punk or not. Green day has some bad songs, the Sex Pistols have some bad stuff. I like good music.
Wth do you expect for him not to get back on his feet by any means necessary? He did that for 2 reasons: 1. The record company left him broke and 2. to be able to get Public Image Limited back together but on his own terms. Do some research before opening your mouth
Billie Joe has said before that he writes whatever feels at the moment and that he could've written basket case over and over the last 30 years, but he wanted to write what he feels and if someone doesn't like it they don't have to listen to it. Many don't realize that some of the songs in the last 20 years were written when he was a teenager. He releases songs that fit the album they are working on. Like Haushinka from Nimrod. He wrote that like 7 years before Nimrod. I agree with Johnny, though, that they are so far gone that they've lost their sound. Personally my favorite work of theirs was the Lookout! Records releases. And I still say Paper Lanterns is the best song they've ever done. Especially the like 10 minute live version they used to do and need to bring back.
Pretty funny of Johnny Rotten to say that, as that is literally all the Sex Pistols were to Malcolm McLaren 🤣 just a way to show off the fashion from his shop 🤣
@@SoupieGuitar i mean it's definitely not incorrect in a general sense... maybe in Malcolm's eyes at least that would have been it but they were definitely more than that really
Maybe I'm reading into this, but I feel like Johnny doesn't like Green Day because they are middle class, and maybe he feels that true punk is supposed to come from the poorer class. Perhaps he feels that punk is supposed to draw from the true dissatisfaction and restlessness of being left out of society. Maybe he sees Green Day as "mall punk," and it isn't bred from "true" anger. Thus, everything they do is an imitation of the "truly angry" punk bands. Just a guess.
Hey man, this is absolutely not the case for green day. I think they get a bad wrap because many of their fans are middle class but the band members were not at all. Billie Joe grew up in a working class part of SF. His mum was a waitress, his dad was a truck driver. His dad died when he was ten. His mum had to provide for his whole family with a waitresses salary. Mike Dirnt was from a broken home, his mum had a drug problem and struggled with money so he worked his own job as a teenager to provide for himself and help his family out. Tre Cool didn't have such a rough upbringing but was lower middle class at best by the sound of things. Were you making this point about like Blink 182 I would understand but not true of Green Day at all.
Green day is not middle class.Billie Joe and Mike Dirnt grew up in conditions just as working class and poverty-stricken as Lydon and the other Pistols.No none of them had meningitis like Johnny did from living in a place with no running water but they were poor not middle class or coddled in any way.I love both bands,maybe the Pistols a little more bc I love the raw sound.Also why is it considered selling out when musicians actually get paid for their work.Would you work at your job for free?Everyone else who creates something people want gets paid,but everyone expects music and art to be given away free.If artists really did that,just think of the "selling out" they would have to do to support themselves.You can't have it both ways.
green day made this style that influenced almost all of pop punk, so they are very original. also, the band doesnt care about how much money they make, in their early days they where willing to sleep on peoples floor to play a show for 15 people, and they called the wear house that billie joe lived in “paradise”, and green day doesnt care what the punk rock puritans say about them, they just write the songs they want to write and wont let anyone tell them otherwise, and that to me is the epitome of punk rock
Any band, of any persuasion that hasn't been pasted together by vultures in suits has slept on a floor to play a show. It's not exactly a character defining feat. It's called "putting gas in the van".
okay. i love sex pistols they’re my second favourite band. but, what john is saying isn’t true. but it doesn’t bother me because he has an opinion of everybody and most of his opinions are bad ones. so don’t take it personally. this must have really hurt green day though because this band inspires them
@@marshalllee3551 That said. John kind of hates on everybody. Even the sex pistol singer himself hates the sex pistols so it’s not something really to be taken seriously. Just good ole John talking shit haha
Hey opinions are opinions, John Lyndon is one of the pioneers of Punk and it's imagery but like rock, punk gradually branch into different types of musical genres that have allow every individual to listen too and have their own preference of music to stand by
I literally see Sex Pistols shoes on display at multiple brands lol they even have a converse line. Like I understand that the original purpose of the Sex Pistols was not to get to that point, but neither was Green Day. It’s true later in their career they had more power pop/pop rock style of music, especially now. But when Green Day was focused on pure early punk sounding stuff (so basically everything before warning, though even all on of those albums it was obvious they liked to explore other sounds other then just punk rock) they were not craving main stream appeal. Of course when they got a major record deal offer they took it, and knew they’d be labeled as sell outs, which funnily enough the Sex Pistols did something similar. Though I think John Lyndon is no longer the punk star he wants to make himself out to be, he went from a person who rejected all forms of government and all its leaders, to literally saying Donald Trump is “the only hope” and appearing on countless reality TV shows. John Lyndon in his prime used to be a symbol of punk, but now is just a grumpy fool.
Not even close. He's always been working class. He recognized that Trump is the only leader that has ran job sites and factories. He understand the trades because he's worked along side them for decades. Sex Pistols are still banned from most radio stations 40+ years later. Green Day are in the Disney Channel
@@justinlarsen2281Exactly though, the Sex Pistols are still banned some places years later, but they haven’t made music in about the same amount time. I can’t even count the amount of reality tv shows that John has been on. Along with the fact that there are also very popular car commercials using Sex Pistols music. Plus the sec pistols shoes. Green Day has fought for many social issues over the years as well, most notably the LGBTQ community. Green Day is far from Disney channel, with songs about the use of crystal meth, masturbation, and social issues/politics. People only say that because how popular they got. John Lyndon is only good at being an asshole anymore, and other punk legends and classic punk bands have recognized how he pretends to be the only one not to sold out, when he has made millions and millions of dollars on selling his image to every tv show know to man. He was literally on judge Judy.
@@austinwilke7578 I'm not bashing on Green Day, I'll even happily admit they have an incredible bass player and Insomniac is a great album. I think they should have broke up before they went all pop and mascara myself but that's just me. They are just very different genres. The Sex Pistols brand and logos don't belong to Lydon and if you watch early interviews he doesn't even want to mention them because they were swindled out of their money and royalties pretty bad. Green Day are a fine group but there's nothing risky ,controversial or unacceptable about supporting any of their views. They're all public views. Lydon however was blacklisted for outing Jimmy Seville as a child predator, and criticized heavily government bureaucracy which cost him his career and was even brought up as a traitor in parliament for his lyrics, which at the time was a hangable offense. His songs with time have only become more controversial and are still banned do to lyrics. As far as his cheesy appearance on tv he's been very open about doing what needs to be done to earn money to take care of his wife with dementia.
they basically ushered in the pop punk phase which is essentially popular punk. Which was pretty original For sure without the pistols and ramones there’s no Green Day. But in the same sense Without Green Day there isn’t any Blink, Sum 41, fall out boy, simple pan. Etc.
Honestly you can critique any band especially the really popular ones but what it comes down to is people like them and they play great original songs this from a guy who only has one album to his name and he was a part of a manager that also put bow wow wow on the map he was basically the formula band manager who controlled how they looked and what they played
@@lunarsabbatical7906 are you kidding? John Lydon has one album? Wrong. He started Pil and released an amazing experimental solo album in 97. I believe Pil just released a new album. The Sex Pistols were a major influence on Green Day and other bands. Even with one album.
@@father0f4ll No, I like the Ramones and Sex Pistols, literally Punk legends. It’s GD, B182, & FOB that I don’t like. It makes me sad to think of all the 14 year olds who actually believe that garbage is good. 😢
Green Day sight The Who and The Clash as bigger influences to them than the Pistols. And that's fair. They're not really like the Sex Pistols and they don't claim to be.
Johnny Rotten sang on exactly 1 influential album and he hasn’t shut up about it since. The Sex Pistols were a one hit wonder that were assembled by a major label (EMI) and had members that couldnt even play their instruments, but were in the band because they looked the part (Sid Vicious). They were an effing boy band. John Lydon should keep his mouth shut about who is and isn’t a poser in the punk rock scene. At least Green Day played for years in the Bay Area punk scene before getting signed to a major label. The Pistols were on a major from day one.
@@AndyFromEssexUk. the sex pistols aren't bad...I prefer the stooges myself though...Johnny rotten talking crap on modern bands isn't ok...he's a washed up has been I'm sure I'll defend my favorite bands like green day when I'm your age too 😉
Both bands are great but longevity goes a very long way when determining who's a better band, I believe the Sex Pistols weren't around long, meanwhile Green Day has had tons of big singles, two stand out albums and have expanded from punks to really good musicians in general. I personally think The Stones were better than The Beatles because the Beatles were around for 12 years and were only big all over the world for 7 years before breaking up and the stones have been around since 1962. And I'm a Beatles fan. Anyway I just think Green Day is better, just my say.
People comparing Sex Pistols and The Ramones with fucking Green day?! ... wtf is wrong with this planet!?, what`s next? let`s compare Queen with the Foo fighters?
@@Travis-guy-247 Johnny isn't jealous or pissed off cos he dosent care! He only talks the truth about what he knows and he didn't even give himself the "punk" name! Johnny sir are a legend 👍
@paulatheglitterbug Punk legend or not, this is still a bitter and shitty attitude to have towards newer music. Do you know what the saddest part is? Green Day probably love the Sex Pistols and were most likely huge fans of him growing up, and their music is heavily influenced by his. So to see someone they look up to turn around and shit all over their music like this must be so disheartening. Times change, music changes, it can't be the 70s forever. Johnny needs to grow up and roll with it.
@@Travis-guy-247 😂😂😂😂 Sex Pistols The Damned The Clash etc 1976 the creation of UK punk. Public Image LTD the creators of Post Punk... Green Day creators of what?? Don't say Pop Punk cuz Ramones oozed of Pop Punk since 1976 Lydon is definitely correct with the coat hanger and leather jacket quote Wipe your tears now fanboy 😭
mad respect for the guy. but he's been pretty inconsistent with his philosophy throughout the years. he's picking on green day here cus they're a big band and all. the reasons dont even make sense. i forgive him though
he is complaining about green day for being signed to a major label... green day were forced to go to a major label they couldn't sell records on indies because they sold too quickly the irony here is Sex pistols sucked Major Label dick like an icy pole if anyone here deserves a smack around the head its John Lydon for being a Lying, talentless, naive and frankly an asshole because if there is any band he should be praising today its green day for being pretty much the last band to do things in the punk way of never taking the easy way out, and doing things how you want to do them and letting all governments and people who think they know better piss off because be damned if they know more about what you are doing than you punk is just a legacy of rock and roll and Green day is probably the Last great Rock band Billie joe is also probably the last rock star so spare a thought for the three snotty punk kids from Berkeley. California
@@As_in_gamer This proves my point from a previous comment, that's opinion, not fact. Not true either. Look at the library of independent DIY bands and groups abound. Brendan Kelly alone has been doing his own thing, producing a mass library of his own for around 25 years, and he's still making different records through his various bands and solo work. Even if you don't like anything he's done the last 20 years, that is a fact. Using him as an example, fuck, Jello Biafra is still going strong, agree it disagree with him, he's still cranking shit out the way he wants to, and making money off it and his label. I fucking hate Rancid, mainly Lars, but they've been churning shit out for almost 30 years still to this day, Tim Armstrong did before with Operation Ivy. Jeff Ott started Crimpshrine in 1984 at age 14 after kicking Jesse Michaels out, changed the name from S.A.G., but was 12 years old when he first joined, that's a long-standing career. There's many bands like Green Day, the Offspring being the first band on an independent label have an album reach number one. Blink 182 has been around for many years, Dave Grohl continues to make records that appeal to the masses and has been in bands from the mid-eighties. This is pointless to argue.
@@As_in_gamer The most of the bands and guys I've mentioned didn't take 'the easy way out' and if they did, who fucking cares? Good on them. I understand, you're too pretentious to respect any band that other people have heard of, I'm sure underground punk rock is all you listen to and nothing else. Gimme a fucking break...
If you would like to classify Bob Dylan and The Who as underground punk rock by all means you do you man but also thinking about in the public eye recently. Also replying to a comment from 1 year ago, alot has changed man get with the program
@@As_in_gamer Don't put words in my mouth that are irrelevant, you said Green Day was one of the last bands to do things 'the punk way and didn't take the easy way out' and no, they aren't. But if you enjoy your classic rock, then that's what you enjoy. It doesn't matter to me what the dick you like, I'm glad you can find entertainment in different forms of music. And I don't care about how long ago this was posted, it was posted and you used false claims. But, you're right, that was my point, it's stupid to argue. This doesn't matter.
I thought 'Dookie' was a decent album. I could see the punk influence in that one. But it always cracked me up when they kept on saying how they were hardcore punk and that they were single handedly keeping punk alive. Especially when they became soft pop rock with an adult contemporary feel. John Tesh was more punk than Green Day.
@@Snandra66 I've seen their commentary on that in interviews and I've read about it. I also heard them personally on the radio saying that a few days before they were set to play in the city I was at.
there are so many good Ramones core type bands and some good California bands but what is the appeal of green day? i don't get it they were funny? so was the ramones and gg allin
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Every Green Day song sounds like the sound track to a running scene in a teen comedy.
It’s sounds so...... American 🤮
@@glennoconnor1130 Ramones sound American too but Dee Dee Ramone was punk AF, that's the difference Ramones could cover Beach Boys and have some really poppy stuff but they still sounded edgy and I'm from NY, and Green Day definitely were not edgy
Exactly. As a teen I did not even like their “new stuff” at the time and I was the demographic. I must admit I did enjoy some of the stuff from like Woodstock 94, but they never progressed. They started wearing makeup and went along with the emo trends of My Chemical Romance and all of that. I mean when an established band needs to copy the common trends it’s pretty pathetic. I get that into one’s late 30s it would be a bit silly to continue to have songs about alcohol and masterbating, but if all you can do is copy what’s trendy maybe it’s time to stop. Whenever Green Day comes up I think “What if they just stopped in about 1996”. They would be this fun throw back band. Reminding people of Zema and ice beer, but they obviously made millions going completely mainstream and selling out stadiums for people that were not even born when they produced listenable music.
Don’t Diss Green Day man! Jesus 😒😒😒
@@MiggyRules Why not?
I bet they dont even like Country Life butter
Sick burn!
Lydon lost his ability to horrify people with his music so he has to resort to clownish self parody like this.
John is the Gene Simmons of GG Aliins
I love green day truly but he’s not wrong about the “studded leather jacket on a coat hanger” thing.
Fr, and I just saw them in Citi Field but he's right😅
Probably one of the most original and kindest things anyone could say about this lot really?!
@@chrissloane5881 agreed. I was at that show!
Billie Joe actually is inspired by them though. That's the sad thing.
they have...green day play good tunes...xx
Green day is for 14 year old girls ffs grow up
They're POP PUNK perfect type of music for little girls who have had enough of justin beiber wand want to listen to something a little more edgy.
its ironic considering the Sex pistols id almost say had very little talent especially sid vicious that was a statement not someone who can actually play music
this is a meme right
The problem us Lydon is giving rules to punk
punk should never have rules
He hates that word Punk.
Punk is dead. And also having a generic style cannot be excused with the word "punk". Green day is absolute dogshit.
@@Robobotic i don't fuckin get people calling green day punk. Green day is trash and is pop
Green Day ain't pop or punk, it's like Emo sort
If you think John likes to give "punk rules" then you don't know about him well enough. He's been saying for years that "punks" themselves hurt the punk movement by adapting a sort of "uniform" with the mohawks and leather jackets, etc. Instead he said "Punk is about being yourself, an original. Not looking or being like everyone else"
MAN Ive said this living in USA for YEARS and people hated me for it
Never liked Green Day
Stay strong mate. You're right and they're wrong. They are fucking rubbish.
@@ryank8199 you wouldn't believe how people looked at like WHAT yah they suck i hated em maybe their first album was ok but
I’m American, and love 70’s punk enough to know Lydon owes his career to the Ramones and sheer luck. Green Day were a harmless 90’s band and I don’t know a single person that gives a s*** about them above the age of 18.
He has written alot of other songs about his own experiences, Basket case about his struggle with anxiety, Welcome to Paradise is about Billie moving out of his house into a decrepit warehouse, Wake me up When september ends is about the death of his father. That's just a few examples. The majority of his songs are about personal experiences.
But anyways he not a punk.
@@dextervortexsungte5348 Who cares
@@bionicles we care because GD call themselves a punk. They're posers.
@@dextervortexsungte5348 theyre pop-punk. Notice how the word “punk” is in that?
Bro they are coathangers, posers and foolish as fuck.
Sorry John, I like the pistols, but this is just not true. I think every song on Dookie, Nimrod, Insomniac, Kerplunk, 39 smooth is about personal experiences.
well, you're an American Idiot then
Maybe so but unfortunately I would have to fight my way through a wall of musical cliches to get to whatever they're saying. I'm old school like John of course but, no doubt like him, my appetite for hearing their message isn't whetted by the music carrying it.
one abbreviation.. P.I.L
You’re right
Well then your are an pop fan
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣always can count on John to come out with a banger
nothing's wrong with that 😎
The amount of butthurt offended green day fans fighting the bands (non existent) battle in the comments is just wonderful
Including you.
The irony of your comment hit you right in the face and still didn't flinch. Truly outstanding
@@P3GProductions nah I love their one fucking album and it's better than anything greendays ever produced but he's just being a plain knob at this point
Does calling someone "butthurt" basically say they're whining? Interesting charactarization. But guess what? Johnny Rotten is a fucking phony through an dthrough. The Ramones taught them everything they know.
@@thefakengx3839 tbf nevermind the bollocks is also better than anything 99% of bands will ever make, including some of the best bands the world has ever known
I've never really thought about Green Day that much, not a fan but John is spot on, they have been so influenced by others they lost their own ability to go their own way.
John, you keep coming up with some gems!
Most American punk bands are just shell outs. They will do anything for money.
or he can just stop projecting his own inner demons
@@sexobscura ........or you can just accept others views?
You DO realize that John Lydon is the posterchild for "boyband assembled to sell product" right?
@@refluxcatalyst7190yeah haha yes i do kinda like sid even though he was the biggest poser of that band lol but once I saw marky ramone fight rotten i realized what malcolm did he tried to manage the dolls and met richard hell and put together his boy band in england and sid was supposed to be the singer btw
Well, that's what's great about punk, isn't it? Billie doesn't owe him shit.
I thought they were corporate punk lite?
I'm a huge green day fan, and all though I disagree with him he still stated his opinion in a very respectful way. He has the right to think that and it didn't feel like he was shoving it down our throats
Maybe so but he's a washed up deluded old man. This man did a butter advert for fuck sake.
@jake scott Dude I hope that's sarcasm! Ha
It was hardly done in a "respectful" way dude!! Look how smug he was about it!! You'd say something if he had actual talent himself.
@jake scott Dude if you are thinking selling yourself out for a butter advert is any way shape or form punk you'd really want to go away and have a talk to yourself. It's laughable.
@jake scott How is it punk? Yes punk is a variety of different things in a sense I'll grant you but selling out isn't very punk is it?? Yes Green Day "sold out" in many people's eyes or ears but at least it wasn't from doing commercials etc. I just can't stand the fact that Johnny Rotten thinks he can judge a band that have done a heck of a lot more in their careers then he could ever dream of. Bitter bollix.
In my opinion green day was more punk in the 90s then now.
*than
They never were and if people believe GD were punk, they don't understand Punk.
The only kinda punk green day album is insomniac.
Put another bill in the "John was right" jar.
At least Green Day can write melody. Ever a heard John Lydon melody? Neither have I.
@@gmantramp404 are you talking about green day or Pistols?
That's not how Punk works
I could be wrong I could be right
Exactly.
I'm not a fan of Punk, I'm more of a metal fan, but Never Mind the Bollocks is brilliant and far better than anything Green Day have written.
Dude you put Oh love as an example well of course that's not punk if we go to kerplunk dookie 1,039/smooth that's true Green Day or insomniac is a good example but oh love no way
Andres 2 :/ theres no such thing as true green day
Are you saying Green Day isn't Green Day
@@ancientdarkness3102 you're trying way too hard to be a dumbass
@@popolbruh8263 I just pointed out that it's possible to be a fan of all their work, coz it all has a meaning and a reason behind it
He’s had this opinion and this interview was conducted well before Oh Love, American Idiot and even Warning. This video’s been chopped up for your CZcams pleasure
Personally, I like a couple of their songs, but I’m not a huge fan of Green Day. I much prefer the Sex Pistols, but that’s just me.
Yeah, Green Day got me into punk. They would cover the Ramones, Operation Ivy, Screeching Weasel, the Clash, Sex Pistols, and I then got into them through that, continued with Dead Kennedys, etc.
But at this point I would say Johnny Rotten is even _less_ punk than Green Day is, he was in a damn butter commericial for sake. A millionaire who kicks people of his mansion lawn. Green Day still writes songs for the sake of fun, even if they have went in the poppy direction esp. since the release of Insomniac.
Anyways, Im saying the Sex Pistols as a band may be great, but I dont think Johnny has a say in whether or not something is punk anymore.
@@iris5403 When you're there at the start of punk and managed to piss off a government through image and music like Johnny has and Greenday haven't then
You can say WTF you want 😂😂😂🤘🤘🤘👎👎👎
@@gmantramp404 amen
First Time i heard Greenday in the early 90’s, my first thought was « posers, trying to be the new sex pistols » and i still do even tho i like a few Greenday’s songs. The fact is, people like it or not, SP=OG
same i like some Green Day songs and I really like Ramones core stuff which Green Day is but what Rotten said is actually right about them in my opinion. i think rotten didn't like ramones either because he saw them as gimmicky but Ramones were deep in their own way especially Dee Dee Ramone
What I'm offering is kind words and a way out ! Fkin legend of a man. This is a man in full.
Everything he says is out of jealousy when he speaks about other bands. What he said was just not even true about Green Day I'm not even a Green Day fan and I know that their first albums like dookie are purely original and '80s punk and skatepunk are absolutely American and they have nothing to do with England. He just has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
@@benzodiazepinerecoveryarmy8424 kerplunk was very original too
@@benzodiazepinerecoveryarmy8424why would the pioneer of punk rock who went on to find great success even after the sex pistols be jealous of a band that sold out after 5 albums ?
Sid was da star
@@benzodiazepinerecoveryarmy8424actually you're right he was jealous of ramones joe strummer and iggy and i think when marky ramone said sid was the star he got jealous of his dead friend sid 😅
Bands who are "2 dimensional" and simply "ride the coattails" of others don't last 30 years and put out 12 records, Lydon.
Actually they do.
christian almli
It's about Quality, not Quantity.
That's a retort to a different argument than the one I'm making. I am saying that if your whole mission statement as a band is to simply be a gimmick, void of any discernible identity of itself, you're not gonna last as a group. You're just not. Being a touring band, no matter how big the label you're signed to is, is fucking tough. You've got to really have the passion for your craft in order to survive it without burning out, and these people have been doing it since the early 90's, all 3 of them, without a single one of them backing out.
You can say whatever may about the quality of their music, but to suggest a band like that is merely "riding the coattails" is to be a profound idiot.
nickleback?
Good one John!:/ Sex Pistols had what 1 hit album??.....=-O Bitter bollox!
I hope johnny has the pleasure of listening to revolution radio, I think he would enjoy it more than uno dos tre.
I liked this video because Lydon wasn't like "FUCK GREEN DAY I HATE THEM", he just said why he doesn't like them in a calm manner. I completely disagree with him though. Green Day is the best.
Ya I'll give him that. Though like you he's off his game here.
I used to call them Saturday Morning Cartoon punk - but John nailed it better
He also nailed your mom
@@mikedavis8008 exactly
Nothing more punk than gatekeeping and telling other people what to do and how to be!
Johnny Bottoms is crazy same with Sid Biscuits their band Six Pistols was great back in the day what raw and powerful music probably one of my favorite bands.
The most stupid comment on the Internet
You mean john ritchie did you know sid was john and he was the first consideration for pistols singer
greenday dookie and insomniac are great albums, they expressed themselves honestly and whether i enjoy the music or not, i respect any musicians that do that
those albums were garbage. I remember when Green Day played NYC in 95. German punk band Die Toten Hosen opened for them and blew Green Day off the stage. When Green Day came on there were reports that it was underwhelming. People looked bored. Howard Stern also talked about it on his radio show. The day after that show Green Day's management had Die Toten Hosen removed from the tour.
@@MH-zg5yw they sold quite well, i like them but each to their own. If we all liked the same stuff the world would be a very boring place
GREENDAY IS SUBURB WHITE MALL HOT TOPIC GARBAGE
Green Day sucks
@@MH-zg5ywI’ve never seen Green Day live but a lot of people have said that seeing them live was among the best love shows they’d ever seen
I am not Green Day fan boy but what he says is completely unfair, personal experience play a part in some part of their writing you can't say it doesn't
That isn't what Lydon was saying. He was saying they are a parody of punk rock. Not the real thing, just a pantomime act
Keep crying softie
@@MH-zg5yw And is very correct.
sex pistols werent very punk either
100% agree with him.
There is pop punk and there is punk rock. There is an American scene, there is an English scene, there is 1 wave of punk, 2, 3. Any style progresses, changes, without variability any style and in General anything will die out. Underground and avant-garde are available in any style. Thus, it is impossible to be limited and unambiguous, these properties allow you to degrade. Degradation is the absence of development, progress, and change. Don't want to listen to pop punk, listen to hardcore punk, don't want hardcore, listen to pop punk.
Absolute facts, so many of the PUNK IS DEAD COZ OF POP PONK crowd need to understand this.
Johnny Rotten wearing MAGA hats and Green Day supporting LGBT and DIY venues. Whos more punk?
The more controversial one: wearing a MAGA hat and shock. Look up the word 'punk' in a dictionary, cause I think you've got its meaning wrong.
@@XX-pq9mb typical boomer punk
@@AportesKike But it's the origin of punk. Whatever is being sold as punk nowadays ain't really punk, it's only the punk label attached to something that isn't punk. If you care so much about other people and earth, then call yourself a hippie.
@@XX-pq9mb MAGA is the establishment, crony capitalist, sexual assault, elitist claptrap. I mean, it's exactly like if Lydon was saying Joe Biden or Bill Clinton are punk. Backing up the establishment is literally anti-punk.
what does MAGA and LGBT have to do with punk?
Whats the song called in the back round?
Everything johny says is out of jealousy when he speaks about other bands. What he said was just not even true about Green Day I'm not even a Green Day fan and I know that their first albums like dookie are purely original and '80s punk and skatepunk are absolutely American and they have nothing to do with England. He just has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
Billie Joe sang in an English affect. They were Bay Area skate punk, but HEAVILY influenced by British first wave punk. Billie even wore a Sid-padlock lol
John Lydon has a huge point... The sex pistols changed the world, PIL changed the world of music. Lydon never "sold out"( compromise isn't the same thing). Punk isn't a music genre it's a way of life. Green Day can easily go down the anti-establishment 5 lane highway that was cut from Sir Lydon's trail of blood, sweat and tears. In short, it's easier to be "punk" now days...thanks to John.
Mr Rotten owes everything to the Ramones and Richard Hell
Was countrylife butter a compromise? What about arguing over royalties and song rights? Touring the same album multiple times as a money grab? Putting sex pistols songs on guitar hero, for money. Being a contestant on I'm a celebrity.. I could go on..
Wattie Buchan of the hardcore punk band, “The Exploited” said that even though Green Day has all that money and record companies, they will never have any respect from the punk community. "You can’t buy it you have to earn it.”
They have earned the respect of many in the East Bay scene. Especially from 924 Gilman. Billie Joe is buds with Jello and Milo and Joan Jett
They have earned the respect of some punks such as Joey Ramone, Joe Strummer, Glen Matlock (who has said that he has to watch what he says about Green Day because of John Lydon & occasionally goes to their concerts) & Jello Biafra
Many do respect them, including Bob Mould, Jello Biafra, Milo Aukermann, Joey Ramone, Glen Matlock, Mike Ness, Poly Styrene. However, most punks hate them.
I'm a punk but I do have alot of respect for green day cuz those dudes started the band when the were just kids and they truly did work hard to accomplish the things that they have. I used to love sex pistols but when John is dissing green day, he totally describes himself.
At least Billie Joe knows how to write a good song and can sing and doesn’t just scream like a baby the whole song
I don't think he knows anything about green day
Billie Joe writes his own music based on his life experiences so johnny I don't know what your talking about
+Blitz K If Green Day weren't a 2 dimensional punk rock parody, I think Johnny Rotten probably would've been able to get behind them. Hell I love both the Sex Pistols & Green Day's music, but even I know that Green Day aren't punk rock material.
Green Day: Insomniac album more HARDER than any Pistols album! :D
When the butthurt is strong...
Tbh i find it rich coming from any member of the Sex Pistols to think they have the authority to say what is punk considering atleast Green day had a DIY attitude and never took the easy route. The Sex Pistols on the other hand were nothing but a major label cash grab they had little to no talent Why do you think sid vicious was in their he was the most punk there but he was more a statement then someone instrumental to the band, Also atleast Green day do things the way they want to do and have delivered everytime they are in a class of their own but the sex pistols are in the shadow of the ramones and they arent even anywhere close to the best British Punk band, The clash
Pixel Pickle Apparently you didn’t read my comment, I said I like Green Day (and the Sex Pistols), but Johnny Rotten does have a point.
With the words that come out of Billie Joe's mouth, you cannot argue that it isn't his own. He digs deep down into himself to create such magic.
Lydon is not talking about the songwriting. he is talking about the punk rock posing. he is saying Green Day is just a parody of punk rock. Nothing punk about them. Punk is just a marketing angle for them
He digs maybe a couple inches deep
unlike Lydon
Magic? LOL
Platypus by green day fits this guy
Honestly, Green Day is fucking great, just saying.
Public image LTD is way more punk than anything Green Day, offspring or any of those parody bands had to offer.
PIL is new wave, post punk at best. Punk is a mind set, with a diy attitude built off of sweat and the love of music. Green Day was around for years before Dookie went wild. Try looking up the Gillian street collective. They played with Operation Ivy. The offspring had been touring in a van since 1987 and have almost been around as long as Nofx. Seen them twice, in 93,and 94 just after smashed launched at Roman’s Ron d vu, in rapid city sd. They opened for the bouncing souls. I helped load their equipment into the venue from their van because I didn’t have the $5 to get in. And for the record punk was over in 78.
@@TraceyAllenPIL is in fact Post-punk, but they are still more punk than GD or the Offspring, who are pop or “alternative” at best.
“Parody bands” what???
I mean John has no credibility since he’s a Tory
I love Never Mind the Bollocks... but at it's core it was repackaged rock and roll. Based on this and other interviews Lydon seems to think the Pistols were the only truly original band ever to have existed.
my takes as a gd fan:
1) he is right about the trilogy. they’re still good catchy albums but not from a punk standpoint. more like a pop stand point sadly. they redeemed themselves with revolution radio but it went downhill again after mother of all (but they are trying to get out of the contract and get it over with so we’ll just collectively forget about that album lol)
2) i think johnny is a try hard and a hypocrite. dude literally said that trump is the only hope when he should be going against people like that. doesn’t punk mean against big oppressive government, rather than style? besides the sex pistols are literally industry plants themselves. without vivienne westwood’s designs they wouldn’t have popularized the punk look. i think he should be focusing on his current bands and treating his sick wife instead of going around, projecting negativity on everyone, and being a grump. sex pistols still slaps hard tho ngl
Ah yes, more "I don't like the Queen and authority" please
Lol, he’s a conservative dickhead too
Its music, it dosnt have to say anything, or mean anything, dosnt belong to a particular group of people. Music is there to connect, love, its for fun, feeds youre emotions, it dosnt belong in a box,
Thats true punk, criticizing artist or music and doing what they love, is the opposite
that's true and Rotten is wrong when he thinks punk has to be political or have a deep message but i have to agree with him that green day are 2 dimensional damn can we make punk edgy again
hey man when we did this we were saying something, we made a stement and we were there man. so much like the hippies before them
Green day mean nothing at all and never have lol.
punk is rooted in politics but not everything has to be political though a lot of it is@@leahflower9924
He said the same thing about The Ramones.
he was wrong about the ramones he was kind of right about green day
"If only they could offer me something of their own, just something that came completely from their own life experiences"
Their entire album "Insomniac" is pretty much about self loathing, depression and addiction.
I own the only album from the Pistols and four from Green Day. All are great, but John is just completely wrong here.
Lyndon's just wrong. His argument only really holds true for Uno and Dos. Just about every other Green Day album, the majority of the songs come from Armstrong's personal experiences.
Also, Lyndon can be a much bigger sellout than Armstrong (see: butter commercials, reality TV, and Sex Pistols reunions.) He still does things with genuine passion (see: Public Image Ltd, his solo album) so he's not a complete sellout, but it bugs me that he thinks he's above Green Day
kfcnyancat This comment is so true!
What about the third album of the trilogy Tres?
Honestly Johnny is just mad about green day because his band never won anything and he only thinks he's above them because the sex pistols were around before green day was even a thought. It's not about the skill, it's about the passion. Everyone has their own expressions and the way I see it, you don't have to hate on a band or artist just because you don't like their sound. Just because a certain sound is there that you don't like doesn't mean it's bad, clearly if green day and the sex pistols are both in Fame and the music industry then there is nothing that Johnny bad about green day. He should be happy that the band loves his music because sadly not a lot of people wanted the sex pistols to perform because of how vulgar people saw them as. No hate towards green day or sex pistols but they both have made music history and they are both great.
@@TheAwesomeguy559 What are you talking about you clown 🤡🤡😂😂
Pistols won an R&R award but didn't acknowledge it cuz of the fakery that the R&R hall of fame is.
Do your research kiddo cuz the Pistols won an award in the UK as well 🤡🤡🤡
Perfect analogy ❤
1039 smoothed out slappy hours
At the same time, he's actually giving advice to Greenday
Not hard to see how sour he is that Green Day was more successful. No disrespect to his band but you can't deny what Green Day is. They have been on top of the world multiple times and are still extremely popular to this day and still putting out music that reaches #1 on many different charts. I appreciate what this man did for punk but it's clear that jealousy has clouded his judgement.
The whole "they're just jealous" argument is really tired, and fails to address the substance of what he's actually saying.
For one thing, John Lydon is a multi-millionaire celebrity whose band got in the RnR Hall of Fame at least 10-15 years before Green Day did. Moreover, his band is recognized as one of the most important and influential of all time, despite only putting out one album. There isn't a whole lot he has to be jealous of here.
Second, he doesn't hate Green Day because they're successful. He hates them because they call themselves punk rockers when they've done nothing to earn that tag. At no point in their career did they ever pose a serious threat (or *any* threat at all) to the established order, nor have they done anything original or groundbreaking with their music. They're really just suburban kids who got rich and famous copying the 70s punk sound and writing catchy songs without any of the danger or attitude that characterizes punk. Those are perfectly valid complaints, I'd say.
@@RawPower867 You can lead a horse to water, but can't make it drink.
@@RawPower867 Amen.👍
He has a absolutely no reason to be jealous,the pistols were aggressive original and 100% real,
green day Are tofu eating poseurs that think they're Cool by attacking Trump And wearing make up
Think of the irony of Johnny calling green day fakes. These were kids who grew up on his music that got together in highschool as friends to start their own garage band and they made it successful on their own without compromising their original sound. Thats what you think of as an authentic band origin. Meanwhile theres the pistols and johnny brought together by a sleazy music producer out to manufacture the next big thing to make a buck. From the beginning they had no soul to sell out. Johnny wasnt even an original member. He auditioned for the part. It was equivalent of a reality show. Sure they made people angry and got people talking. As did the bad boys of the jersey shore.
The thing is he’ll shit on anybody, but Green Day’s just a big easy target.
I do respect the king of punks, Johny Rotten but as other people mention in this section, this is absolutely NOT true. And for the record, Green Day proved to be a much greater, loyal and united band than the Pistols. That also goes for the quality (and quantity) of songs as well as live performances. Truth hurts. So the world could care less about J.R.'s truth on this topic. End of discussion.
He's just saying it in his point of view. It's his opinion. Of course no one would care about what he thinks about Green Day.
Some more discussion: If you honestly think Green Day make better music than the Sex Pistols did then I think your taste might change when you get older if you remain interested enough in rock music. Steve Jones and Paul Cook were great rock and roll musicians and John wrote interesting lyrics about interesting topics. But personal taste is personal. John doesn't claim he and e.g. Glen Matlock were "loyal" to each other or "united," and that's irrelevant to how good music is. Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker hated each other personally and knew they sounded great together.
I understand that you are a fan of Green Day and I have no problem with that. But to say that Green Day's material is PROVEN to be greater than the Pistols' is very pretentious and kinda stupid. Green Day wouldn't be around if it weren't for bands such as the Pistols and The Clash and the Kennedys.
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I respect people's opinions and if you think Green Day are better than the Pistols I ain't got a problem. It's people who will tell me that Green Day are better I have a problem with.
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I love the bands first five albums, after that they lose me. I find American Idiot incredibly overrated, I liked it when they were a bit more punky in the 90's.
I would say that Johnny Rotten as he is now is less punk than Green Day. He shouldnt have shit to say about whether or not something is Punk, he is a millionaire who spits on the working class now, not the anarchy fueled, broke punk kid he once was.
Compare that to Green Day on the other hand who, while they have had their spells of quite non-punk music (21st century break down, Uno! Dos! Tre!, and even American Idiot) they have come back with Revolution Radio, and even though they are considered "sell outs" they never became the stuck up shit that Johnny Rotten did. They still play small gigs, usually under different names (Pinhead Gunpowder, Foxboro Hottubs) they still hold up the punk, or pop punk, spirit in a way that Johnny Rotten sure as hell doesnt do anymore.
And 1039 Smooth, Kerplunk, Insomniac, and even Nimrod are sure as hell punk.
He's obviously a caricature of the punk snob. He still speaks his mind and like Green Day. You're a fucking idiot.
“Its a parody and its shame” 😂
I like Green Day. I like the Sex Pistols. I don't confer with my friends before hand if a band is Punk or not. Green day has some bad songs, the Sex Pistols have some bad stuff. I like good music.
This is said by a "punk" who did a butter comercial :v
Wth do you expect for him not to get back on his feet by any means necessary? He did that for 2 reasons: 1. The record company left him broke and 2. to be able to get Public Image Limited back together but on his own terms. Do some research before opening your mouth
I did not open my mouth i wrote a comment
@@DarkStarGSK22 well said mate 👍 it's the truth! We love you johnny and you will always be rotten. My hero 💕
@@andreshernandez-nu2jq dont agree with you however yes
Billie Joe sells eye liner 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👎😂👎😂👎
Just mad green day is a million times better then he was
Said the guy who never ever never lived up to his own po-tential.
Billie Joe has said before that he writes whatever feels at the moment and that he could've written basket case over and over the last 30 years, but he wanted to write what he feels and if someone doesn't like it they don't have to listen to it. Many don't realize that some of the songs in the last 20 years were written when he was a teenager. He releases songs that fit the album they are working on. Like Haushinka from Nimrod. He wrote that like 7 years before Nimrod. I agree with Johnny, though, that they are so far gone that they've lost their sound. Personally my favorite work of theirs was the Lookout! Records releases. And I still say Paper Lanterns is the best song they've ever done. Especially the like 10 minute live version they used to do and need to bring back.
Ironically Basket Case is the best song he ever wrote
Punk is about the attitude, and green day has the attitude🤘
No they don’t lol
@@Whiteboifrumdaeast I second this comment
@@Whiteboifrumdaeast back in the 90s? They definitely did. Nowadays? Not at all
@@boilingoden7984 sorry man, I just can’t stand any of their music tbh
Pretty funny of Johnny Rotten to say that, as that is literally all the Sex Pistols were to Malcolm McLaren 🤣 just a way to show off the fashion from his shop 🤣
This has to be the funniest explenation of the sex pistols ive heard
@@sebastianfischer2082 it's the truth, lol
@@SoupieGuitar i mean it's definitely not incorrect in a general sense... maybe in Malcolm's eyes at least that would have been it but they were definitely more than that really
says a guy from the sex pistols
Maybe I'm reading into this, but I feel like Johnny doesn't like Green Day because they are middle class, and maybe he feels that true punk is supposed to come from the poorer class. Perhaps he feels that punk is supposed to draw from the true dissatisfaction and restlessness of being left out of society. Maybe he sees Green Day as "mall punk," and it isn't bred from "true" anger. Thus, everything they do is an imitation of the "truly angry" punk bands. Just a guess.
Hey man, this is absolutely not the case for green day. I think they get a bad wrap because many of their fans are middle class but the band members were not at all. Billie Joe grew up in a working class part of SF. His mum was a waitress, his dad was a truck driver. His dad died when he was ten. His mum had to provide for his whole family with a waitresses salary. Mike Dirnt was from a broken home, his mum had a drug problem and struggled with money so he worked his own job as a teenager to provide for himself and help his family out. Tre Cool didn't have such a rough upbringing but was lower middle class at best by the sound of things. Were you making this point about like Blink 182 I would understand but not true of Green Day at all.
they come from poor families what
Green day is not middle class.Billie Joe and Mike Dirnt grew up in conditions just as working class and poverty-stricken as Lydon and the other Pistols.No none of them had meningitis like Johnny did from living in a place with no running water but they were poor not middle class or coddled in any way.I love both bands,maybe the Pistols a little more bc I love the raw sound.Also why is it considered selling out when musicians actually get paid for their work.Would you work at your job for free?Everyone else who creates something people want gets paid,but everyone expects music and art to be given away free.If artists really did that,just think of the "selling out" they would have to do to support themselves.You can't have it both ways.
green day made this style that influenced almost all of pop punk, so they are very original. also, the band doesnt care about how much money they make, in their early days they where willing to sleep on peoples floor to play a show for 15 people, and they called the wear house that billie joe lived in “paradise”, and green day doesnt care what the punk rock puritans say about them, they just write the songs they want to write and wont let anyone tell them otherwise, and that to me is the epitome of punk rock
Spot on
Any band, of any persuasion that hasn't been pasted together by vultures in suits has slept on a floor to play a show. It's not exactly a character defining feat. It's called "putting gas in the van".
Not as original as The Undertones
Green Day were the first "pop punk" band I remember hearing. They basically killed a punk band and are wearing their skin
Green Day isn't punk.
It's impressario's.
Green Day: Sorry lads, Buzzcocks already did it. And so, so much better.
John : "I'm offering them kind words and a way out." Always the TRUTH from Mr. John Lydon. ALWAYS THE TRUTH.
okay. i love sex pistols they’re my second favourite band. but, what john is saying isn’t true. but it doesn’t bother me because he has an opinion of everybody and most of his opinions are bad ones. so don’t take it personally. this must have really hurt green day though because this band inspires them
Yeah Billie Joe Armstrong really supports the Sex Pistols and it's sad that he hates Green Day
His opinions are his own. How is that bad?
@@marshalllee3551 That said. John kind of hates on everybody. Even the sex pistol singer himself hates the sex pistols so it’s not something really to be taken seriously. Just good ole John talking shit haha
Such a soft millennial comment, that's all you softies can say
Hey opinions are opinions, John Lyndon is one of the pioneers of Punk and it's imagery but like rock, punk gradually branch into different types of musical genres that have allow every individual to listen too and have their own preference of music to stand by
But Green Day is 2-dimensional, that's a fact.
And now our great beloved singer of Sex Pistols votes for Trump
I literally see Sex Pistols shoes on display at multiple brands lol they even have a converse line. Like I understand that the original purpose of the Sex Pistols was not to get to that point, but neither was Green Day. It’s true later in their career they had more power pop/pop rock style of music, especially now. But when Green Day was focused on pure early punk sounding stuff (so basically everything before warning, though even all on of those albums it was obvious they liked to explore other sounds other then just punk rock) they were not craving main stream appeal. Of course when they got a major record deal offer they took it, and knew they’d be labeled as sell outs, which funnily enough the Sex Pistols did something similar. Though I think John Lyndon is no longer the punk star he wants to make himself out to be, he went from a person who rejected all forms of government and all its leaders, to literally saying Donald Trump is “the only hope” and appearing on countless reality TV shows. John Lyndon in his prime used to be a symbol of punk, but now is just a grumpy fool.
Not even close. He's always been working class. He recognized that Trump is the only leader that has ran job sites and factories. He understand the trades because he's worked along side them for decades. Sex Pistols are still banned from most radio stations 40+ years later. Green Day are in the Disney Channel
@@justinlarsen2281Exactly though, the Sex Pistols are still banned some places years later, but they haven’t made music in about the same amount time. I can’t even count the amount of reality tv shows that John has been on. Along with the fact that there are also very popular car commercials using Sex Pistols music. Plus the sec pistols shoes. Green Day has fought for many social issues over the years as well, most notably the LGBTQ community. Green Day is far from Disney channel, with songs about the use of crystal meth, masturbation, and social issues/politics. People only say that because how popular they got. John Lyndon is only good at being an asshole anymore, and other punk legends and classic punk bands have recognized how he pretends to be the only one not to sold out, when he has made millions and millions of dollars on selling his image to every tv show know to man. He was literally on judge Judy.
@@austinwilke7578 I'm not bashing on Green Day, I'll even happily admit they have an incredible bass player and Insomniac is a great album. I think they should have broke up before they went all pop and mascara myself but that's just me. They are just very different genres. The Sex Pistols brand and logos don't belong to Lydon and if you watch early interviews he doesn't even want to mention them because they were swindled out of their money and royalties pretty bad. Green Day are a fine group but there's nothing risky ,controversial or unacceptable about supporting any of their views. They're all public views. Lydon however was blacklisted for outing Jimmy Seville as a child predator, and criticized heavily government bureaucracy which cost him his career and was even brought up as a traitor in parliament for his lyrics, which at the time was a hangable offense. His songs with time have only become more controversial and are still banned do to lyrics. As far as his cheesy appearance on tv he's been very open about doing what needs to be done to earn money to take care of his wife with dementia.
Well he's right about Trump 🤣
they basically ushered in the pop punk phase which is essentially popular punk. Which was pretty original
For sure without the pistols and ramones there’s no Green Day. But in the same sense
Without Green Day there isn’t any
Blink, Sum 41, fall out boy, simple pan. Etc.
Honestly you can critique any band especially the really popular ones but what it comes down to is people like them and they play great original songs this from a guy who only has one album to his name and he was a part of a manager that also put bow wow wow on the map he was basically the formula band manager who controlled how they looked and what they played
@@lunarsabbatical7906 are you kidding? John Lydon has one album? Wrong.
He started Pil and released an amazing experimental solo album in 97. I believe Pil just released a new album.
The Sex Pistols were a major influence on Green Day and other bands. Even with one album.
“Pop Punk”?? Talk about irony.😂
I dislike GD more now that I know they are responsible for other horrible bands.
@@texanbill6032ok we get you have bad music taste
@@father0f4ll No, I like the Ramones and Sex Pistols, literally Punk legends.
It’s GD, B182, & FOB that I don’t like.
It makes me sad to think of all the 14 year olds who actually believe that garbage is good. 😢
Johnny's thoughts embody my own
Green Day sight The Who and The Clash as bigger influences to them than the Pistols. And that's fair. They're not really like the Sex Pistols and they don't claim to be.
All the best bands have a confetti cannon!
Green Day is the Rip Taylor of music.
Sounds like he wishes he was as successful as green day
Lol no, it sounds like a man who knows what he thinks and is honest
Kind words and a way out 😂
Johnny Rotten sang on exactly 1 influential album and he hasn’t shut up about it since. The Sex Pistols were a one hit wonder that were assembled by a major label (EMI) and had members that couldnt even play their instruments, but were in the band because they looked the part (Sid Vicious). They were an effing boy band. John Lydon should keep his mouth shut about who is and isn’t a poser in the punk rock scene. At least Green Day played for years in the Bay Area punk scene before getting signed to a major label. The Pistols were on a major from day one.
The more interviews I see with Lydon the more I realise he's well past his sell by date.
100%
It happens to us all unfortunately,I used to be hip ,but at 58 I must be an old square.
@@AndyFromEssexUk. the sex pistols aren't bad...I prefer the stooges myself though...Johnny rotten talking crap on modern bands isn't ok...he's a washed up has been I'm sure I'll defend my favorite bands like green day when I'm your age too 😉
Both bands are great but longevity goes a very long way when determining who's a better band, I believe the Sex Pistols weren't around long, meanwhile Green Day has had tons of big singles, two stand out albums and have expanded from punks to really good musicians in general. I personally think The Stones were better than The Beatles because the Beatles were around for 12 years and were only big all over the world for 7 years before breaking up and the stones have been around since 1962. And I'm a Beatles fan. Anyway I just think Green Day is better, just my say.
Are you serious?
Limp Bizkit is a shit band, but they're still around. Husker Du lasted only 8 years, but without them there would BE no Green Day.
Who the fuck is John Lydon
A coathnger for a leather jacket?
Too bad Lydons mom didn’t have one.
What is "punk"?
Its more of a mindset than a genre or belief system.
AMEN JOHNNY ROTTEN!!
Am I supposed to respect anything this Tory butter boy has to say anymore? He was great in his day, sad to see what he became.
People comparing Sex Pistols and The Ramones with fucking Green day?! ... wtf is wrong with this planet!?, what`s next? let`s compare Queen with the Foo fighters?
I think Rotten comes across as quite jealous here
Of course he is. He’s bitter because he is a completely irrelevant has-been, whereas Green Day are far from that.
@Matt Taylor Tell me who's bank account you'd rather have
@@Travis-guy-247 Johnny isn't jealous or pissed off cos he dosent care! He only talks the truth about what he knows and he didn't even give himself the "punk" name! Johnny sir are a legend 👍
@paulatheglitterbug Punk legend or not, this is still a bitter and shitty attitude to have towards newer music. Do you know what the saddest part is? Green Day probably love the Sex Pistols and were most likely huge fans of him growing up, and their music is heavily influenced by his. So to see someone they look up to turn around and shit all over their music like this must be so disheartening. Times change, music changes, it can't be the 70s forever. Johnny needs to grow up and roll with it.
@@Travis-guy-247 😂😂😂😂
Sex Pistols The Damned The Clash etc 1976 the creation of UK punk. Public Image LTD the creators of Post Punk... Green Day creators of what?? Don't say Pop Punk cuz Ramones oozed of Pop Punk since 1976
Lydon is definitely correct with the coat hanger and leather jacket quote
Wipe your tears now fanboy 😭
mad respect for the guy. but he's been pretty inconsistent with his philosophy throughout the years. he's picking on green day here cus they're a big band and all. the reasons dont even make sense. i forgive him though
he is complaining about green day for being signed to a major label... green day were forced to go to a major label they couldn't sell records on indies because they sold too quickly the irony here is Sex pistols sucked Major Label dick like an icy pole if anyone here deserves a smack around the head its John Lydon for being a Lying, talentless, naive and frankly an asshole because if there is any band he should be praising today its green day for being pretty much the last band to do things in the punk way of never taking the easy way out, and doing things how you want to do them and letting all governments and people who think they know better piss off because be damned if they know more about what you are doing than you punk is just a legacy of rock and roll and Green day is probably the Last great Rock band Billie joe is also probably the last rock star so spare a thought for the three snotty punk kids from Berkeley. California
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This proves my point from a previous comment, that's opinion, not fact. Not true either. Look at the library of independent DIY bands and groups abound. Brendan Kelly alone has been doing his own thing, producing a mass library of his own for around 25 years, and he's still making different records through his various bands and solo work. Even if you don't like anything he's done the last 20 years, that is a fact. Using him as an example, fuck, Jello Biafra is still going strong, agree it disagree with him, he's still cranking shit out the way he wants to, and making money off it and his label. I fucking hate Rancid, mainly Lars, but they've been churning shit out for almost 30 years still to this day, Tim Armstrong did before with Operation Ivy. Jeff Ott started Crimpshrine in 1984 at age 14 after kicking Jesse Michaels out, changed the name from S.A.G., but was 12 years old when he first joined, that's a long-standing career. There's many bands like Green Day, the Offspring being the first band on an independent label have an album reach number one. Blink 182 has been around for many years, Dave Grohl continues to make records that appeal to the masses and has been in bands from the mid-eighties. This is pointless to argue.
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The most of the bands and guys I've mentioned didn't take 'the easy way out' and if they did, who fucking cares? Good on them. I understand, you're too pretentious to respect any band that other people have heard of, I'm sure underground punk rock is all you listen to and nothing else. Gimme a fucking break...
If you would like to classify Bob Dylan and The Who as underground punk rock by all means you do you man but also thinking about in the public eye recently. Also replying to a comment from 1 year ago, alot has changed man get with the program
@@As_in_gamer Don't put words in my mouth that are irrelevant, you said Green Day was one of the last bands to do things 'the punk way and didn't take the easy way out' and no, they aren't. But if you enjoy your classic rock, then that's what you enjoy. It doesn't matter to me what the dick you like, I'm glad you can find entertainment in different forms of music. And I don't care about how long ago this was posted, it was posted and you used false claims. But, you're right, that was my point, it's stupid to argue. This doesn't matter.
that is what they do
Couldn't agree more......From day 1 they never felt authentic.
Says the frontman of the least talented boy band of all time
Don't know, I like sex pistols but I think green day (their early stuff) was much more original and better than them.
Can't be more original dickhead you thick or what?? Pistols 1976 Anarchy. Billie Joe Armstrong 1976
Pissin his pants at nursery school 😂😂😂😂
Stuart and the Avenue is literally coordinates of where they used to hang out 🤣 he’s mad nobody knows who he is
Green Day suck. The Pistols, Pil rule.
I thought 'Dookie' was a decent album. I could see the punk influence in that one. But it always cracked me up when they kept on saying how they were hardcore punk and that they were single handedly keeping punk alive. Especially when they became soft pop rock with an adult contemporary feel. John Tesh was more punk than Green Day.
When did they ever claim to be hardcore punk and "keeping punk alive"?
@@Snandra66 I've seen their commentary on that in interviews and I've read about it. I also heard them personally on the radio saying that a few days before they were set to play in the city I was at.
@@MichaelKerr71 No you didn’t. Provide sources.
@@MichaelKerr71 this band has literally never said they’re hardcore punk
there are so many good Ramones core type bands and some good California bands but what is the appeal of green day? i don't get it they were funny? so was the ramones and gg allin