AUSA 2019: TEXTRON Systems debut their Ripsaw M5 unmanned system
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- Nelson Fisk, Principal Analyst at Jane's talks to Michael Howe, Senior Vice Executive and Sean Baity, Technical Director, UxS, at TEXTRON Systems about their Robotic Combat Vehicle shown for the first time at AUSA 2019.
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Skynet has a very big evil smile on his face after seeing this
This will do until producing the t800 😁
i'll be back
Haha, that would be Elon Musk's Starlink, already in production and orbit !
And this is exactly what it is designed to control, and self driving cars...
The Kitschy Terminator meme is the kitschiest of all Kitschy Memes. 😴😴😴
Skynet? You mean Google and Facebook?
the Howe brothers have come along way with their innovative equipment.
Yea where's his brother tho
I miss their tv show
@@MisfitRecords He is most likely in the shop testing new vehicles like they ways do, they don't have the time for both of them to leave the shop, it called being strategic, but little delicate flowers who always think the worse like you would think they broke up or something. Stop being so dramatic.
Didn't I see this on the see this on the Discovery channel?🤔
Everyone is a gangster until a hacked robo tank starts to shoot up your city.
lol, well put, I'm laughing but so damn true these days!
@Drakilicious And start to think,make plans,ambushing,blackmailing with killing civilians if we don't give and provide what they want...
Terminator comes to life
Too many blabber mouths like Obama would air drop one 'mistakenly' over Iran and conveniently not arm it with ammo out of 'safety concerns' or some garbage? No thanks.
@@islamispagan2137 Who made this thing, Skynet?
Not sure if u are aware but this thing is very MODULAR.
save my prediction for prosperity:
The next big industry-wide thing will be Multi-Modular xD
for when your modules need modules o_O
and very engineer able
like flex tape
and SCALABLE.
And you can take the turd off
SkyNet achieved self awareness in October, 2019.... what’s the worst that could happen?
We've all seen those Dr Pepper adverts
it saw who was President and, redundant, autoterminated.
I think these are remote control by humans.
@@mookins45 tell the robot we're safe from HRC
Take more time to conquer based on human ignorance and auto destructive behavior.
Its really good to see the Howe brothers managed to sustain their business long enough to get the Ripsaw developed and into service! Congrats!
It's all cool tech, until it's coming for YOU.
Bad boys, bad boys what you're gonna do, what you're gonna do when IT come for you.
Drakilicious probably not, doesn’t fit through a door, even if it did, the gun still has a bit too much recoil, possibly knocking it over, unless it’s really heavy and won’t tip
Where we're going, you better hope your own side has superior tech and more of it.
@@daviddickey9832 Are you sure you know who the enemy is? Ephesians 6:12
@@governmentisslavery The side that doesn't eat their own is usually a safe bet.
Finally! This is finally something the Army can use! It took Howe&Howe over a decade but they've learned their lessons, took in suggestions, refined their product's strengths and have delivered a product that looks like it'll fit perfectly into the US Army's future.
The only gripe I have is the lack of descriptive words used in the sales pitch. They repeat themselves a few times but it's alright because these guys are engineers, not politicians.
I am extremely impressed with the capability and innovation in engineering of this combat vehicle. Well done.
Driving through woods at 40 mph? Someone has never been in actual woods.
I think he said quietly driving through the woods at 40 mph.
@@johny_mac "silently creep through the woods up to speeds over 40 mph"
I stand by my comment. 3:03
they will be in court full time for running over people's dogs....... lol....... oh did you get its modular..... lol
i've done it lol i drive CANAM
@@ryandecker5191 In "silent" mode?
I remember when these guys had their own reality show. Good to see they are still around.
I'm going to need a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
just what you see here
lol. but it is 40 megawatt range.
@@beaker2000 Are you sure, just watched the clip?
@@craigfisher3976 You can't do that... wrong.
I remember this guys show on cable. I was amazed at his engineering skills. Just amazing.
Howe you are so onto something here with this platform. love the design. I wish all of you the best success. hard to believe how far you have come till now
Did NOBODY listen to the briefing from Kyle Reese in Terminator?
Congratulations Mike . U and ur brother , the entire team deserve it. Ripsaw & Textron are a game changer.
Always loved the ripsaw platform.. Best of luck guys. I remember seeing it for the first time on CZcams being built in a car garage. Not to mention it was in the G. I. Joe movie., 👍
The cost of one of these versus an Abrams, along with modern sensors, AI and drone swarm capabilities, large scale deployment of armed Ripsaw M5's could quickly overrun many defensive positions even while absorbing cost effective loses. "Disruptor" is right. Although not MBT's, squadrons of these things would be "Dominator" game changers.
Those guys had come along way since the first model, seems like a cool concept, specially if it can perform multiple roles
If anyone of them had said “modular system” once more and how it can be configured to what you want, I was gonna reach through the screen and start strangling! Annoying sales people with a rehearsed pitch.
"Modular" is like the new buzzword.
The ye olde translation is assembled with removable fasteners, not riveted.
@@sergarlantyrell7847 i think you have different kind of modular
We have no idea what we are doing or how much money we can get out of you yet, that's called modular? Palm face. Been working on that for years you say? Any contractors that know what they can do for how much?
A 13 year old could disable that thing with stuff probably in the closet. Assuming it doesn't get the first shot. Might be good for stationary guard duty or to hold the line during a retreat.
Dependable? Hardly. They will get disabled, captured, reverse engineered etc. Sales people that leave details out like that are annoying. Takes money from real soldiers.
You want to give a soldier a toy or a $20k roll of det cord? I like winning.
@@stevendx6601 to give an example of modular system, imagine a tactical vest that have molle webbing, you can attach different kind of Equipment or pouch that suit your needs, like a shotgun loadout, scout, sniper, rifleman, medic, to maximize efficiency by giving individual a system they most comfortable, in vehicle you can have the same base vehicle with different system without major retrofit, simplify logistic and maintance. you need ATGM ? Or 30mm chain gun ? Just pop one in. A good example is boxer APC, you can just pop different module for infantry setup or ifv setup without major retrofits or redesign.
And about the need of expensive vehicle. yes, alone they are worthless because a gallon of gasoline will destroy them, but you put it alongside an infantry and other system, you have a major force multiplier, you could have a firepower of an IFV in a package as small as a city car.
@@Kevin-fj5oe “modular system” means this product is not multiple roles. You have to change the module to do other jobs.
For example, an IFV can provide support fire, armor protection, reconnaissance and ammo/equipment carrying functions for the troops. But how many UGVs and different modules are needed to take over the jobs of a single IFV? Are they really cheaper?
Howe & Howe Tech from humble chop shop featured in Discovery Channel now becoming a military hardware contractor. Woot woot.
"It's a really unique platform. There's nothing else like it in the world." Why do alarm bells sound in my head when I hear those words?
Because like three other countries just unveiled unmanned armored vehicles.
I've been following these guys for a long time and yes they are very capable. Looks like in the comments nobody knows about Howe and Howe tech. These guys are not playing around. They also built a one man personal tank that can fit through door ways. Swat teams love it.
I remember the first iterations of this from Howe & Howe on TV a few years back. Well done on achieving a dream to make war fighting vehicles for the USA.
Yes Skynet thanks you for your contribution.
Production ALL APPROVED; make it fast and durable as STRONG, STREGNTH and HONOR of our UNIVERSAL SOLDIERS; 🦊
Next we'll see the hunter-killer drones.
they already have them brother...
Adam already exist you’re late
if they made this "man sized" or as big as an ATV with that silent 40mph cross country performance and an RWS with a 50BMG-40mm AGL combo.. that would be a real asset for a squad assaulting an urban battlefield
An Amphibious version would be badass and air dropped into the battlefield since its essentially a drone.
This program started in there garage at that time it was a one man tank type dune buggy, nice to see in the biglige
A fire fighting model would be useful, you could gain massive data and get paid by ppg mebbe. Showing an assortment of modules is vastly more effective than repeating talking points.
Seems like it would be a great asset for the 82nd Airborne. Especially since they have not had any direct fire support since the Sheridan was retired .
The Fast and the Furious called, they want their movie prop back 😂
was never a prop, literally this company ripsaw made it for them. you can buy one of these for civlian usage without the gun and all, just like up ripsaw.
It's built by Howe and Howe tech, same guys.
..goddamn your dumb
I knew the ripsaw would go far but not this far this fast
dude right? I used to watch videos of the guys that made this thing trying to get the GPS system to work right. Now their creation is in the military?!
Everything works to perfection before it brakes
down.
You Mean Breaks...
when it brakes it'll just stop
I mean, thats true of everything?
Others: Robot tank
Me: "PANZER BOT"
It weighs 4tons, silence is a relative term when moving through terrain even with electric motors. Remote control death, friendly fire has never been so easy...
It has a jet engine to power the electric motors an old concept
Yeah, an oldie... but a goodie. Turbine engines are unbelievably efficient in terms of their weight, and running as a generator means it can remain running at a constant ideal throttle regardless of what the vehicle's doing. It's an old concept because its advantages were apparent long ago, it just took awhile for the tech to be ready.
@@yfelwulf It also has a battery pack so it can move and fire without starting the engine.
@@yfelwulf the idea goes back to porche and the tiger tank?
yeah, because nothing named "The M-5" ever went full HAL-9000 on it's crew, huh?
It'll be that episode of star trek all over again
No disassemble!
Interesting combat vehicles available to test and deploy now days. Game on!
It should always be man against man or our sons will forget how cruel war is.
War is not cruel unless you are on the losing side. Then it is fucking cruel. So don't be on the losing side.
Lol...
We have enemies, they care not about your morals of war. War by its very nature, has no morals. You can make a million rules of war , but when its on , its on and bio attacks and nuclear are ready to go. The beheadings our enemy loves to do, is an example of ruthless and they care nothing for your morals. .
Even while limited to "man against man"... the world has been in a constant state of war.
When was the last time there was actually a worldwide state of peace? When has there literally been NO ONE at war with ANYONE ELSE?
These "unmanned" war machines only serve to make "a constant state of war" more tolerable, more acceptable to the general public.
We will be reassured, and calmed... and our protests quelled, by the assertions of the (wealthy and powerful) elite... that there is nothing "wrong" or "immoral" about "our" wars... because NO PEOPLE are being killed by them.
Nearly all industry will be about producing the machinery quickly enough, and sending it afield to be destroyed... so that we can justify producing MORE.
All paid for with the taxes paid by the workers who are producing the machinery.
There will eventually be, few unrelated trades to work in.
Legions of slaves... toiling to produce the game pieces for the few "elite" masters of the world... so that they can continue to play their grand game...
Sounds PERFECT... 😔
The effective modularity facilitates victoriousisation of the conflictification facilitating superior levels of trigger happiness
I remember watching the show where these were originally built!
Interesting. The vehicle shown in the video is roughly the same size as the M5 light tank that was used in the Second World War, has a main gun that fires a round that is just 7mm smaller in diameter but is much more powerful, has a bogie and suspension system that looks very similar, and it's called... wait for it... the M5.
The M5 Ripsaw also looks like it's optimized for carrying out reconnaissance missions, and that's what the original M5 light tank was designed to do.
Everything old is new again, with the exception of the robotic, semi-autonomous capabilities.
Hey, it even has a little terminator skull painted on the side. Very forward thinking.
I heard "Ripsaw" and the light in my brain went on. I miss watching the Howes television show
It's great to know that China will have these in about 6 months, too...
For cost to built one of these, the Chinese and Russians can field two or more converted robotic retired model MBTs against it. That BB gun may work against some drug lords (terrorists would have a field day against these with their clever use of RPG/IED.) , but not a converted robotic tank company lol.
Be serious..... China had the plans before they hit the copier.
@@jackau08 With the newer defensive, explosive "curtain" technology, no RPG could even touch this thing. Do you even have a clue what that 30mm cannon is capable of? With modern projectile technology, that gun could serve so many roles it's ridiculous.
Bird76Mojo76 seriously? Again, cost for all those supposed ‘super’ ‘superior’ class weapons / tech would do magic like it is super man / doc Manhattan against One short rifle troopers? it is like you can make one mouse tank in ww2 up against 10 t34-85. Can this thing go up against suicide drones a tiny fraction of its cost coming at it from all directions, include its guns dead zones? US weapons has long gone the WW2 German route: high tech, high maintenance, very expensive and few of them can be deployed at once. perhaps this time doing the same thing again will have different results? it is easy for weapons makers go the expensive high tech high maintenance route, cause it racks them a lot more $$$$$ and long term support $$$. But historically, in modern wars, that ain’t war winning formula, cause else, we be all speaking German as second language and Nazi mark be world currency.
@@jackau08 It's not magic. The US military already has the explosive curtain tech in the field for testing and apparently it's already saved one vehicle from an RPG attack. It literally cuts the projectile in half milliseconds before it hits the armor.
This is wonderful. Full protection.
Looks pretty awesome to me.
gonna need one here pretty soon.
This truly is the future of armor
Nice job guys
Glad to see people pushing the boundaries.
Excellent mobility and range as well as lethality.
I'm impessed which is hard to do.
I hope it's resistant to jamming.
😈😈😈😈😈
*Jane's,* what is that suspension they have on the vehicle. That looks like alternating torsion bars (with the same part applied on both sides of the vehicle in opposite directions) but with massive bumb-stops and old-style bogies. Is that correct?
Someone else in the comments has mentioned something about horizontal volute spring suspension back from World War II or it resembling improved design from that concept.
@@user936 It's most definitely not HVS, as there are no horizontal springs between the two wheels on each bogey. It IS, however, a bogey system as you've got two wheels on a single arm - which is every much a throw-back to PRE-WWII designs. Since it's on an arm, it looks like it's a torsion bar system, but it could by a linear hydro-pneumatic system installed beneath the hull for all I know.
It's got that WWII, Greatest Generation vibe. Check out the running gear. And the name "M5", like M5 Stuart.
It has a winch on the rear. Does it come with robot to hook it up or is that optional.
its chassis is similar to M3/M5 Stuart Light Tank with few modifications
Could use Kevlar skirts over the exposed track wheels and a chain-link cage around the turret to better resist RPGs.
bro, good luck hitting any part of it, have you seen how fast they are? maybe 40 in the woods or dense forest, but out in the open...
70-80 easily, while taking hairpin corners like nothing...triangulating the one shot you did manage to get off, but missed, and returning fire, with multiple different weapon platforms, all the while ripping through what ever comes at it...
Sweet!
This is a cool vehicle. I would like one of these.
Дрон для поддержки пехоты, разведки, внезапной быстрой атаки, или кака друга концепция?
I really miss their TV show
Based on some posts from a couple years ago, here's some amatuer modern-day analysis.
This is the future. The US military is replacing the Bradley and Stryker IFV's eventually, and the requirement to do so is for the vehicle to be optionally manned. In the near term, this will absolutely be a manned vehicle, especially while carrying troops near the battle before they dismount. However, as part of the same family of new armored programs, is the RCV Robotic Combat Vehicle. This is one of several contractors involved at three levels: light, medium, and heavy. So, the one in this video is a medium variant at 10t to 20t. Heavy is over 30t and light will be under 10t. This is all still in the development and testing phase still, and no official contract has been issued for manufacturing, and even then it will require a lot of testing before deployment to any combat zone given it's unmanned capabilities.
However, part of the Army's replacement program for armor is a new MBT. This is in the research phase, with the Abrams SepV4 variant improvement keeping the Abrams extremely capable in modern warfare. But, eventually, even these upgraded variants will age out, and there's no sign for MBT to be absent from the battlefield yet. So, as long as the front line has manned vehicles on the front, these light, medium, and heavy unmanned units will essentially reduce human casualties, have advanced scouting capabilities resistant to small arms fire, be able to integrate and launch both ground and air recon drones, and I have no doubt there will be a soldier trained to use the sensors and controls of the unmanned vehicles. Perhaps this control station requires a lot of infrastructure, but it also may be portable enough to be run out of the back of a IFV while the infantry are dismounted and clearing the front and flanks for armor to move in safely. Either way, these are all just predicted possibilities.
The unmanned armor is there to provide even more firepower to conventional wars, offer themselves as targets versus an entire IFV/tank crew, perform recon duties including the deployment of light drones, and ultimately the AI software will likely be able to take real-time commands from an operator to designate where friendly forces are currently advancing, where the actual front line is as it advances, and an area where the scanners should prepare to target for live fire. It will also potentially be very useful on watch as a mobile and disguisable point defense system against artillery, drones, missiles, and aircraft. Also considering the UA and Russian war, we know how powerful drone warfare is already, and the heavy unmanned vehicle will likely also be able to launch some larger drones, and I have no doubt there will be variants of these vehicles on at least two, but perhaps all three weight classes, for anti-drone and anti-air. Just imagine medium class drones providing defenses against ATGM's and drones equipped with missiles or other explosives, as it serves as a defensive force for the tanks and IFVs behind the unmanned vehicles. A large variant with onboard power generation large enough for a high powered laser may be capable of instantly destroying any drone, missile, and perhaps tank/IFV fired HE shells in flight, also before they impact any friendly soldiers.
As far as electronic warfare, the US and NATO currently leads the way here, but the future will inevitably be based in electronic warfare and counter-warfare at all levels, and not just the super-common present EW played out between fighter and attack jets and anti-air radar systems. As long as the technological edge is held, our counter-EW equipment should be able to counter the enemies attempts of using their own electronic warfare measures and depending on the technology, also capture ground-communications to gain intel while intercepting the signal and also cutting off the signal as needed to prevent the opposition from communicating, and perhaps detect the location of both communications and their electronic warfare and radar sources used. It may be a death sentence to use any form of radar or electronics against US/NATO forces in about a decade or so. It will far surpass counter barrages currently occurring in Ukraine, which requires any rocket or missile artillery to fire rounds and then immediately leave the area before the calculations are made on counter barrages to that location. Russia has already intercepted cell phone signals from the UA side, calculated it to a location or geolocated the location, and then sent a missile to that target. Just imagine what the US and NATO countries can do with their electronic and software capabilities now, and then imagine it in a decade from now. Warfare is definitely changing rapidly.
Did they use to be on a TV show years ago? They had a manned Ripsaw back then.
Hmm, for anti-air or area denial equip a turret with a MetalStorm 20mm for the first or a MS 40mm grenade launcher for the second task. For those saying that a "single shot from a howitzer" will take it out, first they have to _HIT_IT_. It's small and it can shoot-and-scoot FAST. And even if it _is_ taken out, the expensive "part" of the system is still around. The operator is well behind the lines, not out on the sharp end!
It's amazing the junk that rolls out of these guys minds. I am willing to bet not many if any have actual combat experience when it comes to changing thing out in a hurry. Years ago they were pushing a new light tank that was an auto loader. When we asked how you loaded it when the auto loader quit working. He said oh, no problem. You get out side and load it. The we saw bolts on the inside and asked what it was for. He stated that it was to bolt on add on armor for combat. The skin wasn't thick enough for real combat. Did I mention that you had to remove much of the insides to mount the add on armor.
When you take the human element out of actual combat, it isn't combat anymore. It's a big video game with actual gaming pieces.
for those of you who may find an Arena for Playing Tank..what a Great Machine..
Rwanda Private Security Forces.
South Africa Operations.
2019.
I'd love to see that in action!
Its JEW S made meaning it will never be operational.
Israel has a track record that would disagree.
Ohh ripsaw m5
That gonna be a big upgrade for Stryker apc m3 Bradley and the JLTV to have a drone
When he mention ac130, first thing I thought of was jltv companion.
Sir John Cardon called, he wants his bright idea suspension back.
I mean seriously, they've put a relatively big engine and electric motors inside a practically unarmoured 6 tonne RC car, slapped a turret on the top and said "Look, it goes really fast!"
You forgot we can make it shiny.
You could get a army out of these little tanks for one there fast and tough enough to rip through anything on any type of ground snow mud ice wooden grounds I feel like it would make a dam big difference in the battle field because of its abilitys . It has action to make it happen maybe even more if it was built to drive and have a spot for a gunner
When the vice president is sent out to describe something he does not really understand. It is modular. Really really modular. It is super duper modular. You can bolt stuff on there without tools. Unprecedented modularity.
Forward field modularity might not be officially useful since the spares are likely in the depots anyways... but if you have one that got a blown turret and a different one that’s got a blown body then you can combine th to a solid whole ina few hours
Rivet armour and a bad shot trap on every surface. 50 dollar rpg will make this very modular....
I mean, it's all laser guidance systems. One guy with a handful of mud can make this thing inop. Lol
i like the turret, it looks like something you would see in a ww2 tank
Awesome , I hope they have armor for the ripsaw m5
The return of the Ripsaw
I've nvr evr said this before except for f22 raptor but holy smokes!!!!
Isn’t that suspension system obsolete when compared to modern torsion bar or hydro pneumatic suspension systems?
Great
So this thing drives alongside Abrams tanks to provide flanking cover?
Timothy Mckee you can't hide many Infanteers behind that thing :)
Great has someone shot at it yet and did it survive?
If there is solders near by and it shot at.. does it have a thermal or projectile event as a result? How far away does the foot solder need to be to be safe?
I like it. How many can you fit on a C17? Can you make an amphibious version?
Hey, could they combine between IFV and Anti-Aircraft Gun Tank into one in UGCV?
I mean… it's like BMPT-72 in unmanned variant or Uran-9 that mount gun and some multi-purpose missile to shoot land and aerial vehicles.
Why’s the tank closely resembles like M-1 Sherman tank.
It's M4 Sherman, and I get what you mean looking at the suspension.
I feel like the armor needs to be more steeply sloped
@@theimmortal4718 it's not worried about armour too much. I think the idea is send groups of these forward with dismounted infantry giving them a 30mm moving cannon that there's no driver to kill. The enemy will need to expose themselves to hit it with an RPG. That 30mm air burst round is lethal from pretty damn far. Imagine 12 of these rolling at you
@@smithnwesson990
The biggest threat to these isn't RPGs.
It's 30mm AP autocannon rounds being shot at them from 2000 meters. Sloped armor is crucial to deflecting these.
Yes but is it modular? I’m still not sure if it is or not. Depending on severity, perhaps there was a singularity in solidarity that created irregularity in the clarity of the disparity for the case of modularity resulting in internet hilarity. Modularity +tank = tankularity
Seems like you could have a pair of armed Boston Dynamics dogs slotted into a "kennel" instead of that marsupial thing. The potential for versatility really goes over the top at that point.
It’s like the scorpion and scimitar’s newborn child 😂
Lol
I'm seeing a two-man crew for swarms of these for urban operations where you're sneaking and peeking and scooting, not going toe-to-toe. Driver in front. Commander/Gunner in turret. Turret has gatling cannon plus direct-fire mortar or anti-tank or thermobaric missiles for urban bunker busting. Urban warfare needs some innovative solutions.
I used to work for Textron
Is the weight of a few humans very significant on the ground? If humans can't get inside how do they fix things? Where is the operator? How easily can it be jammed? Is it well protected or is the idea that protection is less important for Robots? Every design decision is a trade-off so where are the trade-offs here?
Every light infantry company in the Army should have this
Sweet
All I can picture is Archer saying "Do you want Terminators? because that's how you get Terminators."
I am salivating!
Looks good from this sales pitch...BUT what is its survivability against, say, NLAW or RPG 7? Let alone 30mm etc?
It's basically part of a grander sensor net, which essentially means that whoever got that shot off better have a teleporter on his/her back because everyone else is going to be dropping rounds on that shooter's head pretty damn quick.
Welcome to a battlefield where sensor density is literally 'yes'.
if this badass electric "pocket tank" was around when i was younger i surely would have answered the call of duty
Just reminds me of a care package is all
It looks like an upgraded M4 : "Tommy Cooker", like you can take it out with any RPG.
EXACTLY. It needs heavier armor and the TROPHY ANTI MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM.
Nothing in common with a WW2 tank. Suspension is completely different.
This would be terrifying to deal with.
Resista altas temperaturas los materiales y la sal del mar
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Stoner has some words of caution he’d like to share.
@Paul Kremer Eugene Stoner was the designer for the Stoner 63 series of modular firearms. It was designed to be totally modular and could fill the roles of an LMG, MMG, Marksmans rifle, carbine, FMG, and assault rifle. It wound up not really fitting the role for any of them, even though it was fairly good at each role. Most troops just preferred a purpose built gun to fit a specific role. It ended up seeing very limited use with the US navy seals and US Marines. In combat they weren't poorly received but also didn't really shift from their initial roles and did not have any real advantage over role specific weapons. As a result, only around 4,000 were ever produced and none were ever really adopted beyond experimental deployment in the Vietnam War.
The point being, catch-all weapons don't often work well even when they're well designed. Modular and "universal" weapons both have their own inherent drawbacks, namely the least/greatest common denominator. Regardless of weapon loadout, this vehicle will have to have the structural reinforcement to fire a 30mm cannon, even if it is only shooting TOW missiles or 5.56. Designers still push these systems because militaries eager to save a buck love systems that can "fill" multiple roles. Hence the A-10 vs F-35 issue recently.
Sorry if you already know some of or all of this, it's tough to gauge on the internet based on a single comment.