BRUTAL Poker Spot in $17,000 Hand
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- čas přidán 27. 09. 2022
- In this hand the caller plays a straddled pot from the MGM National Harbor. He makes an early mistake in preflop sizing that leads to a very complex hand reading situation because his opponent could be fairly wide in defending.
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Sorry for rushing everyone, I was pretty excited to go over the hand. Hopefully this is a good lesson on how not to bet size! Thanks Bart for the great feedback.
started feeling bad for you on the turn...LOL. Bart was roasting you!
@@shadycat7 roasting or teaching?
You weren't rushing too bad- Great hand, good luck to you in the future
You did fine. Interesting hand, enjoyed listening to it.
Thank you for sharing, we are all here to learn, and poker is that one endeavor where one mistake clobbers you like no other activity other than boxing, lol.
Bart: "He's never going to show up with that hand if you make it a more normal 3bet size preflop".
Texans: "Hold my beer"
lol! true
Hahaha true. But more so in 1/2 and 2/5, prob still a stretch for 10/25/50.
lmaoo fr
After this hand, this guy will forever go 10x with every 3-bet 😀
😂😂😂
This hand is the answer to the question "Do preflop mistakes really affect later streets?"
Bart: "the small blind folded??"
Legit lol
Man if Bart's tilted by the preflop action on this hand I'm never calling in a hand from my local casino. His head will explode 😅
What's your local casino?
@@wizard3117 🤣
Just shows how early action dictates the end result, great analysis.
The preflop in this hand is the most bizarre thing...you see this stuff at 1/2.
no you dont.
1/2 the guy 3-betting has QQ+ or AK. guy calling may have Q7s but yeah no one 3-betting J9s from blinds/early position at 1/2
Straight to the point, love it! Wish every caller would understand that they are calling for Bart's help and not to tell Bart how to play.
Didn’t I just see this same hand a couple of days ago. Yikes
@@bobbyd9319 dude...
@@CrushlivePoker really? Dude! That’s your answer ? Did I not see this last week?
@@bobbyd9319 it was from Monday’s live call in show. Bart always picks highlighted calls and uploads them with a moral of the story / lesson. You should know that by now if you follow him
@@thedealermusic I don’t follow him, but I saw this already. To me this is just laziness, fluff, filler. Easier to do than producing fresh content. Same content, twice in 3 days.
Really interesting one but I don't think there's a ton to learn post flop because we shouldn't ever be in this spot post flop. The valuable takeaway from this hand is showing how one mistake on an early street (in this case the sizing pre) can throw the entire hand off the rails and put you in terrible spot later down the road. The atrocious sizing pre made it almost impossible to accurately range the opponent.
"No more live misclicking!" said Bart to every low limit live player ever.
Love the calls. I could watch em everyday! Keep it up !
I can't believe people play this way at these stakes.
I wish Bart would have said something about the preflop bet size.
I was thinking KQ with Qh or pocket tens. Q7H seems wayyy off the rails
With villians perceived tight image, I was thinking fold as early as turn.
I really enjoy these call ins. How many do you get per stream? I'm in awe that I never see it live when I go on CZcams. Gonna have to start hitting that bell to remind me. Love ya bart
I usually do 3-5 per week. We live stream every Monday at 5PM ET. Subscribe and turn notifications on for sure! I always put up the live stream link to the show on Sunday night or Monday morning. --Bart
Fantastic reminder that every street in poker matters.
I think river is Very close and I don’t blame caller at all for calling , nor would I blame them for folding
Burt you the man great video and great work
My guess was Q8h so I was pretty close. The flop raise to 1200 seemed like a made flush where he was afraid a 4th heart would come later and kill the action (at first I thought villain had a lower made flush like 67 or 78, but no one is shoving that on the River as a bluff with four hearts out there). And hero calling the 1200 made villain decide to set up a River shove with his turn bet.
I have turned lower flushes into bluffs in these types of spots many of occassions, i mean i get snapped off like 7/10 times but ive defently done it, just because it works like a merge, sometimes you just need to get out line depending on the game youre in. I've also made these types of plays against really good players, i mean like top 1% here in Sweden just because they are so good at reading people so they feel like im bluffing and then they call river with like a set or AK.
In the long run its burning money but when im shot taking in games with wizards it sometimes works and it keeps them guessing, im getting crushed if i play GTO against them.
Bart,
Still watching the video but paused to say I really appreciate your explanation of a blocker bet being used in places other than the river.
I want to ask, does the cut offs small sizing on the turn act as a blocker for the river? Does it serve the same purpose of getting worse to continue and better to fold, or just call? Im still at the turn in the video so maybe you answer the question later. In similar reasons, all down bets are blocker bets. Whether they induce, limit, or threaten. Sometimes it's thin value, we blocker bet against getting no value, bluff, or suggest just a call.
Unfortunately this is seemingly a pretty polarized spot. The Q blocks all the nut hands except 45, 52, 24.
I don't think we have those really.
As you said, the pre flop sizing mistake compounds at the flop, turn and river. Increasing the pot with fewer chips per player and changing the dynamic variables with each additional player getting a good implied price with position.
Paused again on the river after the shove. This seems like a fold except this looks like pocket tens . I hope we called or find out.
Tough hand, expensive lesson to learn about preflop sizing though. Great call
Stopped at 10:06 to say that villain is probably going to show up with precisely Q8hh surprisingly often... because of hero's way too small 3-bet preflop. Hopefully that gets covered.
I stopped at 00:36 and said Q8hh specifically
The whole time I was yelling "Q8 hearts!"
This is a great hand to analyze. Aside from the preflop mistake here, when the villan jams with "potentially" 3 hearts that would beat a hand like 8x of hearts... I donno, that's a huge bluff to run...
I love the villains bet on the turn.
this guy got a really calming voice appreciate ur videos crushlive poker
Nice deep analysis though. Helpful to me. Thanks.
Villians range is super wide opening from CO and calling the tiny 3-bet this deep. Flop raise is super strong obviously. When he get check/called on the turn Hero can very easy have Qh so I think Villian wouldn’t bomb river without it that often. Very clear fold on the river in my opinion.
If you had Qh you’d check-call turn and then check river in hero’s spot?
I would also call, but I will say that Hero's hand is almost face up by the river. Calls the flop raise, calls the turn bet - indicative of a weak flush. So I would be doubtful that the river jam is a bluff - like I said I still call as villian is repping the thinnest value possible.
Poor guy was totally hammered by Bart on his preflop 3-bet sizing.
He should be lol, he called in for advice, nothing personal. If he's routinely making these kind of sizing mistakes this is a gigantic leak that most winning players fix before they even get to 2/5...
Because it's so important. Once we screw up pre we let a crazy wide range into play. If we size correctly and dude still calls off Q7 then we can confidently reload knowing there's at least 1 person at the table that will pay us off.
Why not bet-fold or raise-fold the turn to see where you're at? Wouldn't that be better than calling the river jam?
Crazy hand that ended exactly the way i thought it would. I love Bart's logic but even at higher stakes people are not playing even close to optimal. Somebody could certainly have AQ with the Q of hearts. They dont have to 4 bet that hand. They should 4 bet it but a lot of people dont. The small 3 bet brings all kinds of trash in to play. When people shovel large amounts of money in to the pot willingly they seem to have it a lot of the time.
"This card fucked you."
Yup. QhXo pulls ahead with the checkmark. 8h7h or a set thinks he's now fucked and doesn't (shouldn't) continue.
Now back to reality, this card should've saved H. It's so hard to put V on his actual hand, but a discipline fold was in order.
Absolutely brutal. The only hands that make sense is him flopping a Q high flush (which is unlikely as discussed on the call) or QJo with the Qh. Can anyone really fold the second nuts to that? Yikes.
Yeah, I was surprised QhJx didn't get mentioned more. I thought for sure that's what it was going to be. Seems more likely to get here this way than villian's actual hand.
@@DriveFast_FlyHigh My thoughts on that Chris are just that QhJx wants to see lots of turns and doesn't want to get 3bet on the flop so they might just call on the flop a lot. Maybe I'm totally off base but I think that's calling a lot more on the flop than raising.
Dayum.. As this dragged on i was 100% we had the best hand. i thought he was a little hard on the initial sizing, but it was right. Crazy, you were coolered either way.
If Villian is the type to call a 3bet with 2 behind with
I feel the 4 flush board is so under bluffed when both players could easily have the nut flush card, for the villain to be bluffing he would likely be turning a flopped 2 pair or set into a bluff when it’s very possible the hero could have the Queen of hearts.
Interesting hand. Think this river is a fold most of the time. Villain would have to turn a set or two par into a bluff. When do you ever see that ? The flop action is the give away
The thing is... does villain barrel any other holdings on the turn besides his vulnerable flopped flush that now became the nuts?
PRECISELY
ooofff. hero had the best hand the villain could've possibly hoped for and it just got worse as it played out.
I'd have loved forr bart to field a call from the villain about this exact same hand (ie role reversal), and hear what he'd say from that side of the table.
Could you look up and find out what the odds are of 2 people flopping a flush.
Don't like the preflop raise. J9s is a call vs a raise all day long , especially if there are multiple callers. From the BB, you should be raising with your absolute best hands and a few blocker bluffs, but that's more against one caller to iso. Otherwise, pretty brutal spot.
The raise wasn’t bad it just needed to be much bigger and he gets q7 to fold and likely everything else
This new "blocker" mentality is making a lot of people broke. Let's keep spreading this fallacy .
It’s not a fallacy lol
tried to 3b squeeze for cheap pre flop trying to bluff while Conserving his chips a very tournament player mindset and ended up losing all his chips.
I would argue that the Ah could have actually saved him: I have a very hard time to come up with any reasonable bluff or weaker value bet hand here, after Villain`s flop raise.
- Or. would Villain ever turn a set with TT into a bluff on the river?!
Ehh, I think if the turn is a lower heart he gets away easily
@@therealjackwhite1523 Well, in that case, Villain probably would not even value-bet with his specific hand. 😉
I have turned lower flushes into bluffs in these types of spots many on occassions, i mean i get snapped off like 7/10 times but ive defently done it, just because it works like a merge, sometimes you just need to get out line depending on the game youre in. I've also made these types of plays against really good players, i mean like top 1% here in Sweden just because they are so good at reading people so they feel like im bluffing and then they call river with like a set or AK.
In the long run its burning money but when im shot taking in games with wizards it sometimes works and it keeps them guessing, im getting crushed if i play GTO against them.
I'm a fish and I know it, you got to know your limits hence making high variance plays is something i do when i know im in a game with really good players, i mean im to much of a degen to just leave the game anyways.
The Ace of heart should have saved you.....
This was just a straight cooler.
When villain c bets the turn the same amount as on the flop it screams strength. If he was gonna run a bluff he would increase sizing.
"...and check the river and you just sort of hope it goes check check" Except if it does go check check, then hero always wins, and in that case you would've wanted to bet, but then a bet would probably fold out everything worse, but if villain bets river, you hope it's a bluff or value own, but you can't fold 2nd nuts. Kinda along for the ride after the turn whatever happens. What about a donk block bet on the river that could be called by worse, and if you get jammed on can you fold? Villain raising a donk river bet as a bluff would be suicidal so most likely only Qh...
This has to help Barts game tremendously I mean he’s crunching ranges and board textures all day every day.
bart is just so fuckin cool lol dude is just a real one
After watching every single call in show I have come to realize 98.8% of the players I've ever played against are out to lunch.
i dont understand
@@TheJGB2112 Bart loves to say "unless this guys is out to lunch"
Tough hand, shows the importance of sizing pre
Fold pre. And on the rare occasion you decide that playing jack high for a raise in the worst position at the table is a good idea, then for sure raise enough that you have a shot to take it down pre.
But mainly just fold pre.
SICK!
I haven't completed the video. Just on the river jam part but at this point. I think the opponent has a set.
If villain doesn't have Qh when he shoves on the river, then that means at best he's 4th nut when hero can easily have a one card made hand with either a Qh, a Jh, or a 9h to beat him from the BB range. That's ballsy. However hero is smelling as being weak too. I think that you just need to assess your opponent...if he's a normal player he almost always has the Qh. If he's a maniac maybe he's levelling you trying to get you to fold your Jh or 9h. I'm leaning to a fold (this is before you show the final outcome).
Me, listening while driving to work: Dude needs to 3b to $900.
Bart: random numbers but still, $900 bro
The skill level displayed in this hand is concerning (near disturbing) given the stakes. And this applies to all players involved (with the possible exception of BTN)
It should be encouraging!
QhJ or Ahx was most likely on flop.
The turn bet was the clearest "I've got the nuts" bet there in in poker.
He bets the same when Ah comes, which leave if you call a half pot bet on river.
What hand can call on that turn and fold river getting 3:1? NONE.
That's why he bet so small.
He wants your call Turn, which guarantees a river call..
Ipso facto - he has the nuts 💯
I liked suited cards.
My first guess was pocket queens w the queen of hearts, or queen 8 of hearts. He messed up w his bet sizing preflop.. proper 4x he wouldn’t have even seen the flop guaranteed
Bart is just way too nice of a guy! I get that he pointed out the bet sizing errors, with 3 betting too small pre, and not 3 betting the flop, but on the turn, the one and only correct response was, "I agree it's a weird spot, but that's because you fucked up." When you flop the third nut flush, you want ALL the money in as soon as humanly possible! Down betting on the flop was terrible, and not 3 betting the flop was worse.
You got extremely unlucky, but you can't be results oriented. Next time, you're gonna leave a TON of money behind.
what a brutal hand. I am calling 99% of the time on that river. what a brutal beat
And which 1% are you folding ?
@@bobbyd9319 would be more of the player then the hand. I have a guy at my game that is like 85 and literally LITERALLY only raises nutted hands. He has a queen of hearts guaranteed lol
@@krispycakes7461 yes, I have a few of those, if they raise, or bet they always have it. Usually at lower games, but sometimes they move up.
Bart focussed a lot on how hard it is to give V the Qh - no discussion of what hands raise flop and then bluff turn and river, QJ no heart? Really hard to find bluffs
@@danielbluebisson yeah that’s the issue for me. Villain doesn’t have many combos with the Qh, it’s true. But if he has 0 bluffs it’s still a fold.
How come q8h is not possible?
Brutal
Qj with queen of hearts.
To what size do you 3-bet flop? I usually discredit 3-betting in post-flop play, and need to learn it.
3 or 4 x initial raise plus another bb per extra callers
@@DavidSmith-lj1yz I mean on the flop. Preflop im good at. Its just postflop, I dont even think about 3-betting, i think if someone raise my only option is to just call.
So I dont know how much, or when to properly 3bet those scenarios.
That's the thing. With such a small raise pre flop it's very hard to put v on a correct range. If we raise enough and get called we can put v on a range of hands. If flop favors our range we can lead out and bet say half pot. If not we can opt to bet less or not at all. If we are going to be checking sometimes we should check our super strong hands as well.
The problem is we have very little idea what v range is since we priced in almost any 2 cards by 3 betting so small pre. I'm just learning so I'm sure if I'm mistaken here someone will speak up. Good luck.
Really interesting spot.
I'm shocked Bart didn't have more to say about choosing to squeeze this combo preflop aside from the sizing. This just seems like a standard flat pre, no?
He said preflop squeeze was "once in a while" with J9s which I think is accurate.
Straddle is on, so flat could result in getting squeezed.
BART’s bafflement by people playing imperfectly is exhausting.
There are plenty of players who won’t 4bet with AQ off, KQoff, even QJo, and even QQ. I mean, look at the result. Villain had Q7 lol.
Players playing less than perfectly is why we play the game. To not adjust to their imperfections is a major leak.
I am guessing KQ with Q hearts (without seeing the hand on the river)
That hand was off the rails. I don’t understand how the caller got to these stakes without realizing 450 would be much much much too small especially with a hand you want to get folds pre with
If he makes it 600, ok too small but I get it. 450 is just not even close
Seemed like a nice kid though. Just confusing
You can play whatever stakes you want...
@@RangeWilson the caller is 22, it was inferred he was a for profit player that just moved up in stakes from 5-10. But thank you for letting me know how poker rooms work
@@terrysword7739 idek how he's a winning player at 5-10 if he makes such egregious sizing mistakes like this. but nothing against him, seems like a nice guy
Most of all of these hands that Bart goes through are just coolers. They are always exotic where villain had that one card or one combo of hands that busted them and they are always trying to figure out "what could I have done differently"? I just don't think this is very useful in learning poker. Coolers are going to happen. In this hand 8 of the 13 hearts in the deck were accounted for. What's he supposed to do jam on the flop every time just to be safe? Fold to the one card in the deck that's beating him? I wonder if maybe Bart should start filtering out the obvious coolers as there really isn't all that much to glean from such a hand.
how can I get into this game?
Have the money and show up, its a public game…
This is just like set over set
You’re just going to lose money - don’t over think it
I don’t really know how you can calls unless you have a big live read on the guy. He has plenty of Qh here (All KQ, QJ, and probably Q10 plus apparent suited Queen rags). Since he never has a lower flush, it seems like a totally naked bluff by villain is overly optimistic by the turn and psychotic on the river. Feels bad to fold the second nuts, but I honestly don’t see how you’re really ever good. If you don’t have the 9h you just snap it off with a smile on your face.
reminds me of the second-best poker advice I ever got (well really like 50th behind the 49 times I had to be told to stop calling so damn much):
never assume without evidence that a player is not loose
before i see the ending, here is my prediction: the Turn bet of $1200 is entirely too cheap and if Villian puts Hero on a Set while holding the nuts. he'd charge way more. If he thinks hero has AK with no heart, the turn bet makes sense, but the river bet doesnt. Which leads me to believe Villain flopped a smaller flush, top two pair, a set of 3s.
Didn’t I just see this a few days ago?
QQ? With queen of hearts?
Questionable play got highly rewarded
21:02 What's your MDF range? Because if you're folding a Jhigh flush here, that means it's in the bottom 50% of your range. So what 50% of hands are at the top of your range? This spot just seems extremely exploitable if you're folding here. If the dude assumes you mostly have AA or KK, he's bluffing often.
Its a fold, because he was raising for value on the flop. You bet too small and leveled yourself thinking he was stealing, but he also has someone behind him to act. And you called so could put you on a flush draw set or maybe two pair and some flushes. When he bet the same bet on the turn, you should raise and then fold to avoid having to call a river shove if that's what you are afraid of. Even donk lead.
Caller sounded like Sam Bankman- Fried.
Bart I really disagreed with your preflop analysis about the CO continuing range to the 3-bet. A good player in the cutoff is going to be opening basically every Qxs hand, and I don't see why they wouldn't continue for another 300, even with the other players behind. They have position on the 3-bettor with a lot of money behind and the button is probably not an aggressive player.
Assuming the button and small blind call the CO is basically getting 5:1 preflop to call. I wouldn't be surprised is the cutoff also showed up here with QhJx or QhTx. If the caller is making preflop sizing errors this bad, I don't see how the CO can fold anything given the price.
Agreed. I think a lot depends on the BTN/SB player types. If they're weak/passive then the CO is literally never folding to the 450 (nor should he). Even if the BTN is a good player, the CO has to imagine he's gonna get to see the flop for 300 more because a back raise 4 bet from BTN/SB would make zero sense. In an LP config they are virtually never trapping a strong hand by flatting the initial open.
Q7hh calling a 3bet with 2 players behind? What u expect to hit playing this hand in multi-way pot? If it is heads up, calling Q7hh with position might be ok if u are confident that u can outplay your opponent post flop but calling 3bet with Q7hh is a losing play long term be it u are a good or bad player.
If the hero were to make it to 900-1050 pre instead of 450, the Q7hh will not even be in the hand post flop.
If u label the player playing Q7hh is a good player, then a good player or a pro would never ever wish to play a multi way pot OOP, this hand he is in the CO and the BTN called his 150 raise initially. so to sum it up, if the CO is a good player, he would have either 4bet to iso the HERO (if he thinks he can outplay HERO post flop) or fold to HERO 3bet.
To sum it up, this hand is play badly by HERO preflop for misclicking the 3bet sizing and CO is either a leisure player or a fish player.
Oh shit!!! I called Q8 hearts after flop!… my thinking was if the hero is betting the way he is betting with J9 hearts then why disregard a Q8 hearts from the other raiser?
QhJo? Ao8h? 78hearts? Wtf is villain up to?
That’s a fold man
*Ouch*
As you said Bart, hero's misread of his preflop situation that resulted in his incorrect raise cost him dearly. He rushed through the hand like he did the call to you 😁
Thanks for your professional input 😏
Most overused poker phrase used to be “this is so sick”.
Fast forward to modern day poker and the most overused poker phrase is “this is such a weird spot”.
Every time I hear “this is such a weird spot”, I cringe. It’s said constantly to the point where it has no meaning.
Edit: Just a random rant.
Hey Bart I'm sure you are well aware that live poker players play terrible on every street yes even at this blind level and they CAN definitely show up with AQo KQo Q8s Q7s Q5s Q2s all day long. Expecting people to show up with constructed ranges in live poker could really cost you big time.
thats why i would not checked the river... i bet around 1.5k would be the best move anyway....in my opinion. I would have called maybe with worse flush.. and not bluffed u with anything else... just jammed with the nuts ... would have cost u not much in relation to what is in the pot
I didn’t know Ed Norton played poker
Yep, goes by 'Worm'
22 playing that high stakes is pretty good no?
I think he has kT, if not qX of hearts.
It's a cooler
That 3bet size is shit I see at 1/2 lol