i would love to see a Riptide Feraligatr (Neo Genesis). Thats my favourite deck in the first 2 formats (base - neo, and Team rocket - Neo Destiny). I've tried building it in standard using the Feraligatr in Dragon Majesty, but only had some mild success. its more of a rogue deck in standard than anything competitive. (I did beat a Pikarom deck online with the riptide feraligatr in dragon majesty though a month back, using cards like capacious bucket and professor's Research.)
That mat is THE nostalgia playmat. I have the same one. Really takes me back to my youth. They're surprisingly cheap still, figured it would be some sort of collectors' item.
I stopped playing for 4 years than came back to see 300 hp VMAX and 3 prize tag teams, imagine someone who didn’t play since the beginning then came back to the current game
I stopped playing when the second Black & White set came out. When we lost the DPPt cards things quickly went downhill. At least for my tastes. The new cards don't look appealing at all.
@@ericwilki207 Wizards was only responsible for distributing the cards in English they never designed any Pokemon cards (except for a few promo cards and Dark Raichu). Also Wizards was making the game unfair by enforcing rules that never existed in the original game anyways. It's all on Jason Klaczynski's blog he made a separate article on how Wizards changed the game for the worst. I think it was Neo-Sky Ridge format but I could be wrong.
I quit playing after Neo Genesis. Yes, litterly freaked out of everything! A buddy of my, that I saw 25 years ago, that also played pokemon on high level starting to play pokemon again! And the friendship still continues with Pokemon, only 4 funzies! 😂
I always remember Ecogym being played in the Sneasel deck over Chaos Gym since most Sneasel decks were running Slowking. Ecogym allowed you to play your energies out without fear when you were cycling through your deck with Eeeeeeek
These retro paper videos have been my favourite to watch, with the build and battle kit videos just behind them. Love all the ptcgo stuff but something about paper pokemon vids that really hit at a time when we can't play ourselves. Thanks man!
ah yes, sneasel was so good. paired with slowking, you just locked your opponent out of the game basically. also a baby with a focus band? byebye. running donphan with roll out, hit for 50, switch with cleffa with a focus band. favorite types of decks were abusing those dark and metal energies.. base chansey double edge with metal energy, you take way less damage since you not only deal less damage you take less as well, so you double dip with metal energy on an attack like double edge. love it! keep up the retro stuff :)
I agree dude, elekid is an awesome card, specially in a stall format like this one, you can attack even if you don’t have anything , counters cleffable (kind of),also skips baby rule and hits for weakness, gotta love the card.
I'm happy to see this video, because I have a theory that you might be able to put to the test: Contrary to popular belief, I believe that there was a good way to build a Rain-Dance deck in the Base-Jungle format. The key to this deck's success is Jungle Cubone. Haymaker has no easy way to KO it (especially if ER is used against Scyther), and it can retreat for one energy (which makes it better than Jungle Rhyhorn for this deck). Once Blastoise has 5 water energies, it can dominate even against Electabuzzes (again, especially if ER prevents them from using Thunderpunch before they have 60 damage on them). Do you think you'd be able to play a Base-Jungle match of Haymaker against a version of Klaczynski's Rain Dance that uses Cubone and ER instead of Magikarp and Gyarados?
Hey dude, just discovering these videos. They are awesome, love the overview and showing the card on the side so you can read it. The narration is great and even though I never learned to play (only collected) I could just start watching and learn.
2004 meta is all Team magma's groudon. though Gardevoir ex, Blaziken and Swamepert saw play at worlds that year (making the top lists for each age division). Wailord/Fossils with Bellossom though is my personal favourite rogue deck though. its so fun, yet cancer at the same time. Fossils don't count as prizes (just like lillie's pokedoll) for the opponent so you can just stall with them while building up a huge 200HP attacker!
I think Elekid was a good card that could go in virtually any deck, but I think the problem was that no deck really needed it and it would almost always be taking up a spot that could go to a more useful card. That’s why I think it didn’t get played a lot. Especially if you were playing with Slowking’s English translation legal, which was the ruling back then, because then you would always use Igglybuff over Elekid. Any elective spaces you had in your deck would go to Igglybuffs, because Slowking was such a nightmare to deal with.
I wonder how much better these old formats would be if there were bans or restrictions. Like for example if there was no Cleffa or Rocket Sneak Attack, etc.
i think Base Gym Challenge should be a format, Steel and Dark energy made A LOT of cards playable, Chansey was a great card after Steel came out. with Neo i didnt like Baby pokemon and a lot of the trainers were okay other then the berrys. If i had a choice i would Re-work the pokemon in the Team rocket set(change HP and attack power etc) cause i think base-neo would be an amazing format if there were a few changes
Great video guys! Question about ruling with Blastoise.. if I run a rapid evolution Magikar in Blastoise. Can I use rapid evolution and attack with the gyarados in the same turn I used rapid evolution?
LOL this matchup never really had the chance to occur bc Sneasel got banned almost immediately! In fact, when Neo Genesis was legal, no one was still playing Blastoise or Raindance....even Wigglytuff, the eternal menace for years prior, was pretty much relegated to the dustbin! Cleffa was such an influential card....it killed the Trapper deck, it killed all remnants of "Insanity" decks that milled themselves trying to KO with PlusPowers and sometimes Erika's Jigglypuff....it killed off Slowking!! it paved the way for the modern era of Feraligatr and Typhlosion/Blaine's Arcanine and Crobat decks, finally decks that used Evolved Pokemon instead of just Basic Pokemon, a problem that plagued the game for its earliest years and went against everything Pokemon was supposed to be!
I like this video a lot, and am a fan of this Format, base neo-rocket fossil and so on, but really, I recommend you call this deck SNEAKACHU. Not sneachu or snichu. Sneasel is a Sneaky Weasel. Sneak at you is the sort of thing a Sneaky weasel would do. And then you add the chu for pichu. What do you think?
Love these classic decks! Do you think you’d ever do some for the 2005-07 era formats? It’d be really cool to see decks like Dark Tyranitar, Medicham ex, and Mew ex in action.
ah. base - neo. a format i never played online, since it was only available in "quickplay mode" (i was strictly a Career player only). and nobody played old formats in quickplay mode, whenever i was online. (quickplay was only for playing Standard/ Expanded). and i have never actually had the chance to play with Sneasel online, because its banned from the Rocket - on, Career mode online. Its not banned in the base - neo quickplay format online though.
my mate and I, still like to read the old POJO books with me, When he comes over occasionally, (as well as other Pokemon TCG magazines and books from the late 90's early 00's.) and we all miss the simplier times, when basic pokemon that evolved with 60HP where just too good (Jungle Jigglypuff). Now 60HP on a basic evolving pokemon is mediocre. i tell him about the new cards that come out, and he goes insane saying how busted that is, (like big HP pokemon) when the card is just "OK" in todays format.
Try out Jason Klaczynski's blog. jklaczpokemon.wordpress.com/ he's the expert when it comes to all formats up to generation 4, and the blog here has loads of decklists for every format. from world winning lists, to poular meta decks, like raindance and haymaker in gen 1.
@@TrickyGym is there any way to play the pokemon card game with cards and not damage them? Or extremely reduce the damage done by shuffling differently or I assume double sleeving?
Absolutely love these legacy format videos. Wish we got more of them through the week.
i would love to see a Riptide Feraligatr (Neo Genesis). Thats my favourite deck in the first 2 formats (base - neo, and Team rocket - Neo Destiny).
I've tried building it in standard using the Feraligatr in Dragon Majesty, but only had some mild success. its more of a rogue deck in standard than anything competitive. (I did beat a Pikarom deck online with the riptide feraligatr in dragon majesty though a month back, using cards like capacious bucket and professor's Research.)
That mat is THE nostalgia playmat. I have the same one. Really takes me back to my youth. They're surprisingly cheap still, figured it would be some sort of collectors' item.
What is the mat style called / what would be the appropriate search term to find one? I’d love to pick up an old school two person mat like that
@@anawfulmess3219 look up "Wizards of the Coast Pokemon playmat" on Google. Was able to pick up one meself for around 30 bucks.
I stopped playing for 4 years than came back to see 300 hp VMAX and 3 prize tag teams, imagine someone who didn’t play since the beginning then came back to the current game
I stopped playing when the second Black & White set came out. When we lost the DPPt cards things quickly went downhill. At least for my tastes. The new cards don't look appealing at all.
I feel you I left after first set of ruby and sapphire
I feel like wizards did it better but that’s just my opinion
@@ericwilki207 Wizards was only responsible for distributing the cards in English they never designed any Pokemon cards (except for a few promo cards and Dark Raichu). Also Wizards was making the game unfair by enforcing rules that never existed in the original game anyways. It's all on Jason Klaczynski's blog he made a separate article on how Wizards changed the game for the worst. I think it was Neo-Sky Ridge format but I could be wrong.
I quit playing after Neo Genesis. Yes, litterly freaked out of everything! A buddy of my, that I saw 25 years ago, that also played pokemon on high level starting to play pokemon again!
And the friendship still continues with Pokemon, only 4 funzies! 😂
Yesssss more old school deck play!!!! 👏🏽💪🏽👌🏽
This made me smile. I could acctually see base-neo to be a fun format for us old foxes.
I always remember Ecogym being played in the Sneasel deck over Chaos Gym since most Sneasel decks were running Slowking. Ecogym allowed you to play your energies out without fear when you were cycling through your deck with Eeeeeeek
These retro paper videos have been my favourite to watch, with the build and battle kit videos just behind them. Love all the ptcgo stuff but something about paper pokemon vids that really hit at a time when we can't play ourselves. Thanks man!
ah yes, sneasel was so good. paired with slowking, you just locked your opponent out of the game basically. also a baby with a focus band? byebye. running donphan with roll out, hit for 50, switch with cleffa with a focus band. favorite types of decks were abusing those dark and metal energies.. base chansey double edge with metal energy, you take way less damage since you not only deal less damage you take less as well, so you double dip with metal energy on an attack like double edge. love it! keep up the retro stuff :)
I was huge Rain Dance deck fan back in the day. Let me tell you, the Sneasel beat up was no joke though!
My favourite format. Please do more videos like this! ♥️
I agree dude, elekid is an awesome card, specially in a stall format like this one, you can attack even if you don’t have anything , counters cleffable (kind of),also skips baby rule and hits for weakness, gotta love the card.
I'm happy to see this video, because I have a theory that you might be able to put to the test: Contrary to popular belief, I believe that there was a good way to build a Rain-Dance deck in the Base-Jungle format. The key to this deck's success is Jungle Cubone. Haymaker has no easy way to KO it (especially if ER is used against Scyther), and it can retreat for one energy (which makes it better than Jungle Rhyhorn for this deck). Once Blastoise has 5 water energies, it can dominate even against Electabuzzes (again, especially if ER prevents them from using Thunderpunch before they have 60 damage on them). Do you think you'd be able to play a Base-Jungle match of Haymaker against a version of Klaczynski's Rain Dance that uses Cubone and ER instead of Magikarp and Gyarados?
Yoooooo Blastoise was so good!
you fellas should have seen the original rain dance deck back in base 1 era. You would consistently have a full board with in turn 2. it was broken 😊
Duuuuude!!!! This old school Pokémon TCG content is my jam!! Love it dude!!
Hey dude, just discovering these videos. They are awesome, love the overview and showing the card on the side so you can read it. The narration is great and even though I never learned to play (only collected) I could just start watching and learn.
retro pokemon tcg is the best!
LOVE IT GUYS!! My favorite Pokemon is Sneasel, and used to always play the Sneasel with Beat Up. :)
That Pitchu killed 2 Blastoise! What a huge beat-up!!!!!
2004 era would be great to see! Sceptiles, Wailords and Groudons oh my
2004 meta is all Team magma's groudon. though Gardevoir ex, Blaziken and Swamepert saw play at worlds that year (making the top lists for each age division). Wailord/Fossils with Bellossom though is my personal favourite rogue deck though. its so fun, yet cancer at the same time. Fossils don't count as prizes (just like lillie's pokedoll) for the opponent so you can just stall with them while building up a huge 200HP attacker!
Neo era games were my favorite format. Especially rocket-neo .
That and base-fossil are my favorite. The old cards just feel different.
I think Elekid was a good card that could go in virtually any deck, but I think the problem was that no deck really needed it and it would almost always be taking up a spot that could go to a more useful card. That’s why I think it didn’t get played a lot.
Especially if you were playing with Slowking’s English translation legal, which was the ruling back then, because then you would always use Igglybuff over Elekid. Any elective spaces you had in your deck would go to Igglybuffs, because Slowking was such a nightmare to deal with.
I wish there was a special energy in standard that increases damage by attacks.
are there decklists for each of these? The video that you have for Sneazel / Pichu only had 57 cards listed.
I wish I could get my hands on old cards :(
I admit the video is a little too long, it delayed me, but yeah, here I am, because RAIN DANCE!!!
I wonder how much better these old formats would be if there were bans or restrictions. Like for example if there was no Cleffa or Rocket Sneak Attack, etc.
I remember, we all hated baby pokemon.... So I played dark Umbrion for 30 in the bench kill....
i think Base Gym Challenge should be a format, Steel and Dark energy made A LOT of cards playable, Chansey was a great card after Steel came out.
with Neo i didnt like Baby pokemon and a lot of the trainers were okay other then the berrys.
If i had a choice i would Re-work the pokemon in the Team rocket set(change HP and attack power etc) cause i think base-neo would be an amazing format if there were a few changes
Base-Gym was a tough format to work with due to insane locking combos and donking capabilities. Neo had the right cards to make the format fun again.
@@skillracoonful umm base-gym had no locking combos, haymaker is still king
more old school matches pls
Would you try doing some base rocket? Perhaps no dark vileplume though… lol
The fact that elekid hits for weakness is ridiculous.
these guys shuffle like psychopaths
So cool
I didn't think that legacy could be this fun! Where can I find the decklists?
Great video guys! Question about ruling with Blastoise.. if I run a rapid evolution Magikar in Blastoise. Can I use rapid evolution and attack with the gyarados in the same turn I used rapid evolution?
LOL this matchup never really had the chance to occur bc Sneasel got banned almost immediately! In fact, when Neo Genesis was legal, no one was still playing Blastoise or Raindance....even Wigglytuff, the eternal menace for years prior, was pretty much relegated to the dustbin! Cleffa was such an influential card....it killed the Trapper deck, it killed all remnants of "Insanity" decks that milled themselves trying to KO with PlusPowers and sometimes Erika's Jigglypuff....it killed off Slowking!! it paved the way for the modern era of Feraligatr and Typhlosion/Blaine's Arcanine and Crobat decks, finally decks that used Evolved Pokemon instead of just Basic Pokemon, a problem that plagued the game for its earliest years and went against everything Pokemon was supposed to be!
Absolutely insane
I'd slap a goop gas attack in that dank darkness.
I like this video a lot, and am a fan of this Format, base neo-rocket fossil and so on, but really, I recommend you call this deck SNEAKACHU. Not sneachu or snichu. Sneasel is a Sneaky Weasel. Sneak at you is the sort of thing a Sneaky weasel would do. And then you add the chu for pichu. What do you think?
Love these classic decks! Do you think you’d ever do some for the 2005-07 era formats? It’d be really cool to see decks like Dark Tyranitar, Medicham ex, and Mew ex in action.
Yep! We have all of 2006 built
Tricky Gym Awesome! The ex era is my favorite era of the TCG, looking forward to that for sure
We wont look , electrode set base + base set Charizard 😮
Watching you guys bridge retro cards makes my anus clench in pain and fear lol.
LMAO! Same! I was thinking "those better be proxies" 🤣
That Snitchu deck is annoying. If it works, you done!
ah. base - neo. a format i never played online, since it was only available in "quickplay mode" (i was strictly a Career player only). and nobody played old formats in quickplay mode, whenever i was online. (quickplay was only for playing Standard/ Expanded). and i have never actually had the chance to play with Sneasel online, because its banned from the Rocket - on, Career mode online. Its not banned in the base - neo quickplay format online though.
Wenever i see a retro/base set cards i wonder how the people in that format would react to seeing 270 hp basics and 320 vmax
my mate and I, still like to read the old POJO books with me, When he comes over occasionally, (as well as other Pokemon TCG magazines and books from the late 90's early 00's.) and we all miss the simplier times, when basic pokemon that evolved with 60HP where just too good (Jungle Jigglypuff). Now 60HP on a basic evolving pokemon is mediocre. i tell him about the new cards that come out, and he goes insane saying how busted that is, (like big HP pokemon) when the card is just "OK" in todays format.
Eeeeeeek.
Any links to retro deck lists? I may need to try to put together a vintage deck or two now. Lol
Try out Jason Klaczynski's blog. jklaczpokemon.wordpress.com/
he's the expert when it comes to all formats up to generation 4, and the blog here has loads of decklists for every format. from world winning lists, to poular meta decks, like raindance and haymaker in gen 1.
Are you damaging these vintage cards by using them in decks/ shuffling?
Yep
@@TrickyGym is there any way to play the pokemon card game with cards and not damage them? Or extremely reduce the damage done by shuffling differently or I assume double sleeving?
@@xFersureMatt Shuffling gently and dragon sleeves will prevent damage. Been playing with my old card’s for year’s that way and they still look great.
These guys are pros to shuffling. No damage done if you know how to shuffle the way they do.
@TrickyGym where can I get a Mat like yours ?
What set is that sneasel from
Neo Genesis
The riffle shuffling hurts my eyes lol
Is it a rule you have to shuffle your cards like that before a match? Cause it's awful seeing you bridge shuffle old cards
Show me de coin flips
Not first
its 10:48 im in long socks, boxers and a smuckers alright lets do this 😎🔥
That is a very weak Sneasel deck.....