Well this is a stupid argument. Who is seriously saying Luka is currently ahead of Dirk all time? Nobody. He’s also nowhere close to Dirk’s archetype - Luka is more of a Harden/LeBron type than he is a Dirk.
@@chipmanky Harden is the only legit comparison u just mentioned...Luka has zero defense and is slow and lazy asf! The man can shoot tf outta the ball for sure..but he's NOT a leader and spends too much time crying to the ref so he doesn't have to get back on defense!😂 Iverson?? Reggie?? LeBron? Y'all mfing weed in 3rd world countries must be strong as hell bruh I stg🤦🏾♂️🤣
@@chipmankyas basketball player doncic is better then dirk or any one you mentioned. Winning a championship is a team effort not a individuelle thing. As a basketball player doncic is a much better player. Even dirk said doncic is better then him.
@chipmanky8242 you only say that because you're too clueless to understand how to read stats. He's well ahead of LeBron and Dirk at this point in their careers. Chris Paul? Did you suffer head trauma?
Dirk is the most underrated player from the mid 2000s from 04-07 dirk was one of the 4 best players in the league in that stretch it was Kobe, Duncan, Nash, dirk those were the best guy’s consistently
Every body is affraid with Luka. He is going to be in the top 3 of all time players. Look at hos numbers with 25 years old. Luka is the MVP this year....
yeah its nonsense. if lebron had stayed on cleveland and never started building superteams he might never have won a championship. how would that make him any less of a player? you need great teammates and sometimes luck to win a championship.
Each player should be evaluated on his own merits. A championship should not factor into who is a better player. A great player may not have great coaching or great teammates. That is not the case for Luka, who has both great coaching and teammates, but his skill set is simply better than Dirk’s was.
@@dilwitchspahlin4761to me Luka looks more like James Harden than Dirk Nowitzki. He might change though, but as things are right now I can't see Luka winning a Chip
@@Fixundfertig1 based on what exactly? Harden never did anything close to what Luka did to the Suns in 2022. Not even close. Luka’s already a proven playoff performer, James Harden never was
@@dilwitchspahlin4761 eye test, the antics. Nevertheless I give it to you Luka's post season is way better than Harden's but he's gotta need more in my opinion. Again, I'm not hating if he wins I'd be happy, and surprised 😂
I find it extremely hilarious that nobody counts titles outside of NBA championships with the exception of Olympics basketball. Luka has a championship, had it before he got drafted. Tony OBVIOUSLY forgets he wasn't in a heliocentric offense EVER. I think this is just pure hilarity 😂😂😂😂
@@showtime6667yes this is why he is a finals mvp right? Without tony parker, the spurs would not have the ball movement they had your just a hater, say the same with ginobili, duncan and others then
@AnthonyClark-ns7cq bro Parker got fmvp at the end of that run. Then Leonard got the last one for the spurs. Yes parker was a great player but the knock on him throughout his career, especially early, was his up and down erratic play. This is well documented. You honestly think that Duncan didn't have a claim to that trophy also? FMVP much like all other individual awards have so many variables. It could have been voter fatigue for Duncan. A way to put an * by his legacy. Cuz most of those voters are mj nut lickers so they didn't want Timmy to be 4-0 w 4 FMVP. Cmon man that's not a good argument. You can't possibly agree w every mvp or dpoy or fmvp award ever given. Look at the numbers in that series and tell me Duncan don't have a claim to be that series FMVP. They won without him too man. Duncan and Pop are the common dominators there my guy. You should know this
I like that Tony.Winning championships is hard and it’s a reason why all the guys at the top of most peoples GOAT list have one thing in common….multiple rings
@@showtime6667 very few are as skilled as pistol Pete in the history of basketball college or pros just played on some bad teams retired one year before bird and Boston won the championship I think 81 season 😀☝️
@@showtime6667shut the fk up with all this old ass pistol Pete shit I seen his slow ass play 🤮 running around with ball infron of his like he just learned out to dribble
Nah Tony. Duncan drove the bus, and Bruce Bowen's foulin self = Goat conversation. Nah bruh, if you we're drafted by the Portland Trailblazers nobody would be asking you about this.
For context they’re talking about European goats . Dwyane said that European players have no problems being surpassed by younger players, so this debate is very different than the all time goat (eg lebron vs mj). American players don’t like to feel surpassed . during this podcast, pau Gasol said that they paved the way for today’s European players, and that even before pau’s generation of euro players (Tony and dirk) , there was still Toni kukoc, sabonis, and drazen petrovic who paved the way for them to succeed in the nba
That’s bull, a great team win a ring not a great player. If you put prime jordan on the hornets he’s not beating the prime golden state team of the last 10 years 🤷🏻♂️
Kind of a crap take on parkers part, basically stating that the only thing to validate you is a ring, which isnt true but i grt why everyone thinks it.
It’s just as simple as that no rings no discussion in any sport nobody is considered the greatest if they never won a championship and had great regular seasons only winners are celebrated not losers
To win a championship takes a team. I will say, I was watching some highlights of Luka's NBA rookie season. It's crazy to see how much more athletic he was. If he could get back down to around that weight to get that speed and stamina back so the Mavs could speed their offense up without wearing Luka out after just a few possessions, that would add so much more to their offense.
Stupid answer. Nobody can win a championship alone. It’s evident that at least for 2 seasons Luka was the only player able to push forward the Dallas Mavericks. Build a solid team around him and there will not be history for at least 3 years for all the other NBA teams.
If you’re dropping 100 point every night and your team keeps losing and can’t win a chip, then your case is really the worst. You’re a ball hog loser and shouldn’t be no where near the goat debate.
After this season Luka will surpass Dirk in All NBA 1st team selections with 5. He doesn’t need to win, as long as keeps this level for the next 8-10, he’s ahead of Dirk comfortably.
Everybody here in the comments is missing the true point. He’s saying what Dirk means to Dallas… is everything. Tell Luka to put in 21 years of loyalty never complain and still win a ship and maybe we can have the conversation.
Dirk is a legend who had a great and very consistent career, Luka is a great player who is not finished with his career so I don't think its fair to compare the 2 of them
The "has no rings" argument for why someone isn't the goat, has always been the weakest argument IMO. It takes an entire team to win a championship, no single superstar can make it happen alone; and yes that includes MJ. So saying a player isn't one of the best to ever do it, because their team might have been too bad to go all the way is just dumb....
The ultimate measure of greatness is winning. That's exactly why Brady is atop the podium over a guy like Aaron Rodgers. Same with MJ and LeBron, Crosby and Ovechkin and etc. You play the game to win. Not put up empty stats like Westbrook did.
@@moelarry8088definitely not my idoI. don’t care about luka that much just don’t think dirk ever impressed me with his abilities although he is a champ. He can’t control a game like luka does, can, or has.
Winning a championship is a shared endeavor. When Luka learns that, he will win multiple. When he turns 26 or 27, it will be easy. Let's hope management surrounds him with the right options
Dirk had a strong & deep supporting cast in 2011, mixed with solid defense & offense. Luka has a terrible team surrounding him, all offense & shooters, not near enough defense to win a title.
Dirk was special because of the way he can score and put a team on his back and even with the odds stacked against dirk he could prevail. Luka not much different. They both really have that magic that just takes your breath away at times
a lot of bench warmers won championships as well... i would say dirks title was worth so much more due to the journey he had... many years and many disappoinments... but hung in there with the same team and led them to that ring... it is a hard path... luka has a tough road ahead to top that
The ring itself isn’t the reason. It’s the weight of that ring. Sweeping Kobe’s back to back championship winning team, beating the young OKC core and performing the upset of all upsets against the big 3 Miami Heat. Doing all that as the main guy, is the heaviest ring out there. Not to mention he’s an all time power forward. If Luka can win a ring or take them to the finals , he can meet Dirk.
If your argument is best offensive player or best scorer Mavericks ever had, that would be Luka. But the greatest Mavericks would be Dirk, hands down. Dirk even said Luka is better than him at some aspects of the game.
As a lifelong mavs fan , Luka is damn near equal to peak Dirk in year 5 and has done what it took Dirk 10+ years to do and that’s go to the WCF. Dirk was WELL past 30 when he brought the only ring to the franchise. Luka is 24 and like I said, he’s been to the WCF. To say “he’s no Dirk” is completely disrespectful, AND DIRK IS MY FAVORITE PLAYER OF ALL TIME! Luka won Roy, Luka is 5/5 in allstar appearances, Luka has been 1st team every year except his rookie, Luka has broken almost every rookie mavs record and franchise record possible in the time span, and again, ITS YEAR 5. I love Tony but he trippin. So if Dirk never got that one, then it’d be ok to compare them? The only reason you can’t compare luka to Dirk is position and the fact the he’s a legend and HoF and the fact for how he single handedly revolutionized the game with his greatness. Outside that, Luka is way beyond Dirk at this age in almost every category. Tony is buggin he acting like luka ain’t knoccing on the door. All he need is the cast and just like Dirk, the mavs are failing him in that regard. This is the best team he’s had and there are still MAJOR holes. Some key pieces like a bacup defensive center, and a 3&d wing and the mavs are instant contenders with or without a healthy Kai.
Luka Doncic is the best european basketball player ever with or without a NB ring. Victor Wembanyama, without injuries, will be the best basketball player ever with or without rings.
I'm sick of the "he didn't win no chip yet." Dirk was drafted in 1998 and won ONE ring in 2011. Sure, it's a great career, but for fuck's sake. His career isn't "Remember 2011?" He was a great player for a very very long time. This talk of title wins is actually ridiculous. I get using it as an accolade every now and then, but to say somebody at year 5 "ain't no Dirk" like what is even the point in saying that? You ain't no Chris Paul. You're Smush Parker on Tim Duncan's team by that logic. It's fucking stupid. Appreciate players for something other than the team achievement.
Different time and era…if Luka played when dirk was playing Luka would scored 50 points every game, players now a days r so much skilled and better overall
Got news for ya, even though you said it's personal opinion. Doesn't matter how many trophies or rings you have, it proves nothing on how good of a player you are. There's plenty of all time elite sportsman who are some of the best to ever do it that have never won a trophies. Ridiculously naive opinion on this clip.
Karl Malone has been one of the best PF ever. He didn’t win a chip. Barkley is a legendary player. Never won a chip. Stockton is the only player to be all time leader in two stat categories. No chip. Elgin Baylor was the epitome of the SF during decades. No chip. We can continue with more players. That kind of argumentation Parker uses is basically pointless. Dirk was Dirk before his ring.
Lol, but when we speak about Duncan, Duncan won his 5 rings with average team mates, nowhere near a superteam. Tony is insanely underrated. Je was obviously the most important player of this team behind Duncan.
@Ilestun I'm not sure what world you were living in but , the San Antonio spurs were loaded with talent. Duncan, Robinson, Parker, ginobli, Kwai leonard , Robert Horry, Bruce bowen etc. All those guys were good players with good defensive skills.
The ring discussion is toxic. You want to bring down someone's whole body of work, whole career based on the fact that he had to compete against a better team or a goat like Barkley? I mean Chuck did everything he could to win it.
By the same token most of the ones being taken shouldn’t be included. And more, the MVP has nothing to do with the champions, it’s an award giving to for the regular season
Luka is my favorite player but you won’t understand how great Dirk is if you haven’t seen him play. That 2011 run was just different. The shot making, those clutch moments, the teams they were up against. Luka is more talented but he’s not there yet. He’s only 24. He’s won individually and team wise in Euroleague and Eurobasket. He understands winning. He just needs to bring that to the NBA and then his case is closed as the GOAT of European players imo.
Not even 2011. Sometimes it’s hard to debate or recognize things with seeing a stat sheet. Dirk’s team won 50 or more games for 11 years straight. Multiple different players and coaches. Most time with no All Stars or 1 other. How many players have done that?
If you knew how to comprehend the you would know what he said. He’s referring to himself as UNDERSTANDING what it means and should take to be in the GOAT convo. Not he himself being in that conversation. Tony has taken that crazy road many times in a totally different and more difficult time in the league. Today is just a dam joke……
Luka has the unfortunate issue of being a guard during this soft defense era. So his stats are somewhat inflated. Dirk is probably the greatest stretch 4 the league has ever seen. Luka doesn’t need a championship but he needs to bring his team to win a lot more
Let’s be real here, we all know Luka is better than dirk. Like cmon watch the games dirk doesn’t provide anything close to what Luka does on offense. Luka a better scorer, and a MUCH better facilitator. 1 ring doesn’t change that. Luka has shown up in the playoffs, one of the better playoff performers we’ve seen. Luka even been a good defender this year. And not like dirk was some crazy good defender either.
Dirk won the ring after a decade or more with Dallas … also there are players like Barkley and Malone who never won a ring but they were hall of fame players and more
What a lovely ridiculous comment from Parker saying because he won. Dude he doesn't even move the needle without The players he had and Pop coaching. Duncan & Geno were clearly the best players.
Luka just turned 24 and if he stays on the pace he is he will likely shatter some all time records. If he stays close to healthy then everyone look out.
Mavs don’t have a complete team to compete for a championship. It took a bunch of savvy veteran players (Kidd, Marion, JT, Butler, Chandler) and a great coach for Dirk to win a championship. Put a Tim Duncan type of post player on the current Mavs and some more 3&D (they lost some of this to trade for Kyrie) role players around Luka, and they are instantly in the conversation. The best players in history don’t always get a complete team. To TP’s defense, TP was a hell of a player in his prime who played very efficiently in their system. Luka would eventually need to learn how to make better use of what he has around him and play with some more star players to see what it takes to win a championship. He is getting there. Great coach in Kidd and a co-star in Kyrie. Just missing a few pieces and the experience.
lol holding individual players to a team accomplishment is crazy. As good as Tony was bro would have zero without Tim Duncan man what are we talking about
He’s not dirk , he’s Luka Doncic , Luka talents is just unreal he will go down as the best player ever in Dallas mavericks history and also might be a top ten when is all said and done .Luka at his age is just better
Well this is a stupid argument. Who is seriously saying Luka is currently ahead of Dirk all time? Nobody. He’s also nowhere close to Dirk’s archetype - Luka is more of a Harden/LeBron type than he is a Dirk.
Exactly, he is still fighting for that chip, and he does it great. He is already generational talent, and as of his age he is one of the greatest
@@chipmanky Harden is the only legit comparison u just mentioned...Luka has zero defense and is slow and lazy asf! The man can shoot tf outta the ball for sure..but he's NOT a leader and spends too much time crying to the ref so he doesn't have to get back on defense!😂 Iverson?? Reggie?? LeBron? Y'all mfing weed in 3rd world countries must be strong as hell bruh I stg🤦🏾♂️🤣
@@chipmankyas basketball player doncic is better then dirk or any one you mentioned. Winning a championship is a team effort not a individuelle thing. As a basketball player doncic is a much better player. Even dirk said doncic is better then him.
@chipmanky8242 you only say that because you're too clueless to understand how to read stats. He's well ahead of LeBron and Dirk at this point in their careers. Chris Paul? Did you suffer head trauma?
@@localdadinyourarea2039he's a special gardening too😂
Man Dirk was Dirk before the ring, that run just solidified him in the books.
Unlike Chuck
You don’t consider chuck a top 10 PF all time ??
@@erenyaegar8774 Chucks biggest downfall is that he doesn’t have a ring, I wasn’t saying he ain’t one of the goats in that area.
Just no ring.
@@MmalcolmhowardI think Chuck is still solidified in the list of the all time greats though even without a ring
@@josephle2381 Shaq don’t think so 😂🤷🏿♂️
Unlike Chuck? Did you know NBA had to make a 5 second back down rule because of him? Man you don't know shit about basketball so just shut up
Dirk is the most underrated player from the mid 2000s from 04-07 dirk was one of the 4 best players in the league in that stretch it was Kobe, Duncan, Nash, dirk those were the best guy’s consistently
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You’re forgetting Kevin Garnett
@@Sticktothemodels during that time period dirk was better than kg
@@stackntax1308not in 2004.. that KG bullied Duncan
2004 kg was MVP I believe
Basketball is a team sport. No one wins a title by himself.
True. And certain players can make their TEAM better
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Every body is affraid with Luka. He is going to be in the top 3 of all time players. Look at hos numbers with 25 years old. Luka is the MVP this year....
Tony's right. I think Robert Horry should be in the GOAT debate
yeah its nonsense. if lebron had stayed on cleveland and never started building superteams he might never have won a championship. how would that make him any less of a player? you need great teammates and sometimes luck to win a championship.
Each player should be evaluated on his own merits. A championship should not factor into who is a better player. A great player may not have great coaching or great teammates. That is not the case for Luka, who has both great coaching and teammates, but his skill set is simply better than Dirk’s was.
Took dirk a long time and a finals loss to finally get a ring. Give Luka time.
Luka not winning a ring in Dallas
@@IDFWU650 you sure about that bud? That’s what they said about Dirk too, and look what happened
@@dilwitchspahlin4761to me Luka looks more like James Harden than Dirk Nowitzki. He might change though, but as things are right now I can't see Luka winning a Chip
@@Fixundfertig1 based on what exactly? Harden never did anything close to what Luka did to the Suns in 2022. Not even close. Luka’s already a proven playoff performer, James Harden never was
@@dilwitchspahlin4761 eye test, the antics. Nevertheless I give it to you Luka's post season is way better than Harden's but he's gotta need more in my opinion. Again, I'm not hating if he wins I'd be happy, and surprised 😂
I find it extremely hilarious that nobody counts titles outside of NBA championships with the exception of Olympics basketball. Luka has a championship, had it before he got drafted. Tony OBVIOUSLY forgets he wasn't in a heliocentric offense EVER. I think this is just pure hilarity 😂😂😂😂
Dirk was on year 15 Luka is on year 5. Everyone is weird AF not being able to evaluate skill without bringing up team wins.
We learned nothing by listening to this. Thanks Tony
You're butthurt cause Luka's ball dominant playstyle isn't suited to win a championship.
Tony Parker only got his success cuz of Pop and the team he was on. It took years for Pop to even trust Parker.
@@showtime6667yes this is why he is a finals mvp right? Without tony parker, the spurs would not have the ball movement they had your just a hater, say the same with ginobili, duncan and others then
@AnthonyClark-ns7cq bro Parker got fmvp at the end of that run. Then Leonard got the last one for the spurs. Yes parker was a great player but the knock on him throughout his career, especially early, was his up and down erratic play. This is well documented. You honestly think that Duncan didn't have a claim to that trophy also? FMVP much like all other individual awards have so many variables. It could have been voter fatigue for Duncan. A way to put an * by his legacy. Cuz most of those voters are mj nut lickers so they didn't want Timmy to be 4-0 w 4 FMVP. Cmon man that's not a good argument. You can't possibly agree w every mvp or dpoy or fmvp award ever given. Look at the numbers in that series and tell me Duncan don't have a claim to be that series FMVP. They won without him too man. Duncan and Pop are the common dominators there my guy. You should know this
@@showtime6667 Pop put him in the starting Linup at 20 yo. He was on his ass and he took a while to devellop fully, but he definitely trusted him
Luka won everything outside nba so he knows what winning is
Everything ? He misses Olympics and world champion. But yes, everything 😂
Yeah Tony not everyone have Coach Pop, Timmy, Manu, Kawhi and so on to carry you...
they have kyrie and both of them are dominating right now. Easily the best duo in the league. They’ll be just fine
@@adi14293called it
@@adi14293this aged well 🎯
That has literally nothing to do with the conversation
I keep on forgetting that Tony Parker has a finals mvp. He is one of 34 players that have a finals mvp
Now I understand why kawhi left
Fax
Don't worry Wemby era coming soon GSG
I like that Tony.Winning championships is hard and it’s a reason why all the guys at the top of most peoples GOAT list have one thing in common….multiple rings
Rings should have little to do with this debate. You using a team accomplishment to rank individual players. Bunch of zombies
@@showtime6667 pistol Pete
@@AnthonyRobinson-dc3pq right. Tell me pistol ain't better than parker. I don't think it's close. Pete is on an all time level
@@showtime6667 very few are as skilled as pistol Pete in the history of basketball college or pros just played on some bad teams retired one year before bird and Boston won the championship I think 81 season 😀☝️
@@showtime6667shut the fk up with all this old ass pistol Pete shit I seen his slow ass play 🤮 running around with ball infron of his like he just learned out to dribble
Luka just dropped 73 tonight
Bro u must a been a baby cuz dirk was the Larry bird of our era . He would easily score 70 on this Defense less nba n he was a three point killer 2
Against a lottery team in the regular season with an almost 300 total points game. That means literally Nothing 😂
@@Fixundfertig1that doesnt matter bro 73 is 73 😂
@@BRJ45 you might be right on that 😂
Lukas all time NBA ranking is 73 too
Dont forget Tony was the gold standard for a slashing pg
Tony played with a G.O.A.T
You were not the bus driver, Parker.
Barkley, Iverson, Nash, Malone, Stockton were the bus drivers.
Nah Tony. Duncan drove the bus, and Bruce Bowen's foulin self = Goat conversation. Nah bruh, if you we're drafted by the Portland Trailblazers nobody would be asking you about this.
You gotta be an actual child to think Luka is in the goat debate, who is he arguing with lmao nobody thinks that 😂
Goat of the mavs lol
This didn’t age well
So far how his careers gone he’s going to be . You have to be a child to not understand that 😂
I don't know full context, but it's either Mavs GOAT or more likely since Tpny is interviewed European GOAT
You must be a child to not immediately recognize Lukas GREATNESS. its very easy to see.
Almost there Tony 🙏
Well Tony. The difference is Duncan won most of your rings but Luka needs to do it on his own.
For context they’re talking about European goats . Dwyane said that European players have no problems being surpassed by younger players, so this debate is very different than the all time goat (eg lebron vs mj). American players don’t like to feel surpassed .
during this podcast, pau Gasol said that they paved the way for today’s European players, and that even before pau’s generation of euro players (Tony and dirk) , there was still Toni kukoc, sabonis, and drazen petrovic who paved the way for them to succeed in the nba
That’s bull, a great team win a ring not a great player. If you put prime jordan on the hornets he’s not beating the prime golden state team of the last 10 years 🤷🏻♂️
Kind of a crap take on parkers part, basically stating that the only thing to validate you is a ring, which isnt true but i grt why everyone thinks it.
if Luka had Tim Duncan, Ginobli he would have won already
It’s just as simple as that no rings no discussion in any sport nobody is considered the greatest if they never won a championship and had great regular seasons only winners are celebrated not losers
To win a championship takes a team. I will say, I was watching some highlights of Luka's NBA rookie season. It's crazy to see how much more athletic he was. If he could get back down to around that weight to get that speed and stamina back so the Mavs could speed their offense up without wearing Luka out after just a few possessions, that would add so much more to their offense.
Give Luka a Timmy
You were surrounded by great players. Without them, you'd be nothing.
Stupid answer. Nobody can win a championship alone. It’s evident that at least for 2 seasons Luka was the only player able to push forward the Dallas Mavericks. Build a solid team around him and there will not be history for at least 3 years for all the other NBA teams.
Dirk won it alone. He carried that team to the finals and won.
You'll never be in conversation if you're not won a Championship. That's hard bro
for example if you are a player on a horrible team and you drop 100 each night, are you still not good because you dont have a ring?
For Jordan lovers - definitely no😂
that’s it precisely.
But nobody does that😂, only 2 players are a exception that deserved a ship and those are 't Mac and AI
Means your the only one who is good in your team,or your a 1 man team
If you’re dropping 100 point every night and your team keeps losing and can’t win a chip, then your case is really the worst. You’re a ball hog loser and shouldn’t be no where near the goat debate.
After this season Luka will surpass Dirk in All NBA 1st team selections with 5. He doesn’t need to win, as long as keeps this level for the next 8-10, he’s ahead of Dirk comfortably.
So insightful…
Tony talking like he didn’t have his own dirk nowitzki on his team…
Everybody here in the comments is missing the true point. He’s saying what Dirk means to Dallas… is everything. Tell Luka to put in 21 years of loyalty never complain and still win a ship and maybe we can have the conversation.
I thought for a second he was gonna say “To me, because I won a championship, I think Im the Goat.”
Dirk is a legend who had a great and very consistent career, Luka is a great player who is not finished with his career so I don't think its fair to compare the 2 of them
The "has no rings" argument for why someone isn't the goat, has always been the weakest argument IMO. It takes an entire team to win a championship, no single superstar can make it happen alone; and yes that includes MJ. So saying a player isn't one of the best to ever do it, because their team might have been too bad to go all the way is just dumb....
The ultimate measure of greatness is winning. That's exactly why Brady is atop the podium over a guy like Aaron Rodgers. Same with MJ and LeBron, Crosby and Ovechkin and etc. You play the game to win. Not put up empty stats like Westbrook did.
He needs more help. Not his fault. Your not a top 5 in your position all time. Just relax buddy
He had help, but was a ball hog. Don't rewrite history
Tony didn't have to insult your idol like that 😢
@@moelarry8088definitely not my idoI. don’t care about luka that much just don’t think dirk ever impressed me with his abilities although he is a champ. He can’t control a game like luka does, can, or has.
@@MoonMoon-fx1opWhat? Who was his help?
Winning a championship is a shared endeavor. When Luka learns that, he will win multiple. When he turns 26 or 27, it will be easy. Let's hope management surrounds him with the right options
Dirk had a strong & deep supporting cast in 2011, mixed with solid defense & offense. Luka has a terrible team surrounding him, all offense & shooters, not near enough defense to win a title.
Dirk was special because of the way he can score and put a team on his back and even with the odds stacked against dirk he could prevail. Luka not much different. They both really have that magic that just takes your breath away at times
Yeah absolutely right❤ you have to win a championship 🏆🏆
That's B's Charles Barkley Karl Malone Wilkins Reggie Miller Pat Ewing David Thompson Chris Mullins George gervin
Luc longley is better than Pat Ewing
He'll be in the debate in a couple of days dw toni
If Luka doesn't get a championship before he retires, it'll be a robbery for fans and him alike.
Dirk didn’t win for 10+ years. I hate this championship pedestal. Literally there were only 6 legit contenders in his era
a lot of bench warmers won championships as well... i would say dirks title was worth so much more due to the journey he had... many years and many disappoinments... but hung in there with the same team and led them to that ring... it is a hard path... luka has a tough road ahead to top that
The ring itself isn’t the reason. It’s the weight of that ring. Sweeping Kobe’s back to back championship winning team, beating the young OKC core and performing the upset of all upsets against the big 3 Miami Heat. Doing all that as the main guy, is the heaviest ring out there. Not to mention he’s an all time power forward.
If Luka can win a ring or take them to the finals , he can meet Dirk.
when Marlon Jackson speaks
If your argument is best offensive player or best scorer Mavericks ever had, that would be Luka. But the greatest Mavericks would be Dirk, hands down. Dirk even said Luka is better than him at some aspects of the game.
Broo what!!! He didn’t ask if luka is a goat! He is the embodiment of dirk literally! Dirk didn’t win until late in his career anyways!
A player on a stacked, well coached , great front office organization on the importance of winning a championship…..
As a lifelong mavs fan , Luka is damn near equal to peak Dirk in year 5 and has done what it took Dirk 10+ years to do and that’s go to the WCF. Dirk was WELL past 30 when he brought the only ring to the franchise. Luka is 24 and like I said, he’s been to the WCF. To say “he’s no Dirk” is completely disrespectful, AND DIRK IS MY FAVORITE PLAYER OF ALL TIME! Luka won Roy, Luka is 5/5 in allstar appearances, Luka has been 1st team every year except his rookie, Luka has broken almost every rookie mavs record and franchise record possible in the time span, and again, ITS YEAR 5. I love Tony but he trippin. So if Dirk never got that one, then it’d be ok to compare them? The only reason you can’t compare luka to Dirk is position and the fact the he’s a legend and HoF and the fact for how he single handedly revolutionized the game with his greatness. Outside that, Luka is way beyond Dirk at this age in almost every category. Tony is buggin he acting like luka ain’t knoccing on the door. All he need is the cast and just like Dirk, the mavs are failing him in that regard. This is the best team he’s had and there are still MAJOR holes. Some key pieces like a bacup defensive center, and a 3&d wing and the mavs are instant contenders with or without a healthy Kai.
Dirk went to WCF in his year 5. Very close to getting to the finals if not for his ill timed injury that year
thats BS. Dirk was lucky he got that ring at the end of his career, and if Bron beat the mavs, Dirk still would have been a Legend.
Luka Doncic is the best european basketball player ever with or without a NB ring.
Victor Wembanyama, without injuries, will be the best basketball player ever with or without rings.
I'm sick of the "he didn't win no chip yet."
Dirk was drafted in 1998 and won ONE ring in 2011. Sure, it's a great career, but for fuck's sake. His career isn't "Remember 2011?" He was a great player for a very very long time. This talk of title wins is actually ridiculous. I get using it as an accolade every now and then, but to say somebody at year 5 "ain't no Dirk" like what is even the point in saying that? You ain't no Chris Paul. You're Smush Parker on Tim Duncan's team by that logic. It's fucking stupid.
Appreciate players for something other than the team achievement.
Steve Kerr is the GOAT, look how many rings he got
A stupid take, for the sole reason that with "rings" you punish an individual for being subjected to crappy managment and not having better teammates.
Different time and era…if Luka played when dirk was playing Luka would scored 50 points every game, players now a days r so much skilled and better overall
TP is right and has more experience than these other basketball 🏀 players that came after him.
Got news for ya, even though you said it's personal opinion.
Doesn't matter how many trophies or rings you have, it proves nothing on how good of a player you are. There's plenty of all time elite sportsman who are some of the best to ever do it that have never won a trophies.
Ridiculously naive opinion on this clip.
Karl Malone has been one of the best PF ever. He didn’t win a chip. Barkley is a legendary player. Never won a chip. Stockton is the only player to be all time leader in two stat categories. No chip. Elgin Baylor was the epitome of the SF during decades. No chip.
We can continue with more players. That kind of argumentation Parker uses is basically pointless. Dirk was Dirk before his ring.
give him a healthy star big man and wing and good bench he will win a championship
Haha. Doesn’t that make every team good
Dirk is not the GOAT, but he was asked for Dirk, and did understand GOAT??
Tony, you were on a loaded team. That's why you won championships! Facts
Lol, but when we speak about Duncan, Duncan won his 5 rings with average team mates, nowhere near a superteam.
Tony is insanely underrated. Je was obviously the most important player of this team behind Duncan.
@Ilestun I'm not sure what world you were living in but , the San Antonio spurs were loaded with talent. Duncan, Robinson, Parker, ginobli, Kwai leonard , Robert Horry, Bruce bowen etc. All those guys were good players with good defensive skills.
Every team that wins a championship has talent. Only 34 champions have FMVP's!
The ring discussion is toxic. You want to bring down someone's whole body of work, whole career based on the fact that he had to compete against a better team or a goat like Barkley? I mean Chuck did everything he could to win it.
By the same token most of the ones being taken shouldn’t be included. And more, the MVP has nothing to do with the champions, it’s an award giving to for the regular season
Luka is my favorite player but you won’t understand how great Dirk is if you haven’t seen him play. That 2011 run was just different. The shot making, those clutch moments, the teams they were up against.
Luka is more talented but he’s not there yet. He’s only 24. He’s won individually and team wise in Euroleague and Eurobasket. He understands winning. He just needs to bring that to the NBA and then his case is closed as the GOAT of European players imo.
Not even 2011. Sometimes it’s hard to debate or recognize things with seeing a stat sheet. Dirk’s team won 50 or more games for 11 years straight. Multiple different players and coaches. Most time with no All Stars or 1 other. How many players have done that?
Yeah.. You won 4 championship.. But still not in the conversation
If you knew how to comprehend the you would know what he said. He’s referring to himself as UNDERSTANDING what it means and should take to be in the GOAT convo. Not he himself being in that conversation. Tony has taken that crazy road many times in a totally different and more difficult time in the league. Today is just a dam joke……
Are you people really this illiterate? Go watch the clip again and try to reason how what you just said makes no sense
Bro he’s not saying that he’s was not the best player on the Team yet tim won 5 and was the best player and he’s on the talk about being the goat
Not even top 5 pg all time but Tony had heart an he gave alot of your favorite pgd that WORK
@@user-rt1vx2dx4j he’s not talking about him self dummy
Yeah ok mate, you’re better than luka because you happened to be in the right place at the right time
Luka has the unfortunate issue of being a guard during this soft defense era. So his stats are somewhat inflated. Dirk is probably the greatest stretch 4 the league has ever seen. Luka doesn’t need a championship but he needs to bring his team to win a lot more
Let’s be real here, we all know Luka is better than dirk. Like cmon watch the games dirk doesn’t provide anything close to what Luka does on offense. Luka a better scorer, and a MUCH better facilitator. 1 ring doesn’t change that. Luka has shown up in the playoffs, one of the better playoff performers we’ve seen. Luka even been a good defender this year. And not like dirk was some crazy good defender either.
Dirk won the ring after a decade or more with Dallas … also there are players like Barkley and Malone who never won a ring but they were hall of fame players and more
What a lovely ridiculous comment from Parker saying because he won. Dude he doesn't even move the needle without The players he had and Pop coaching. Duncan & Geno were clearly the best players.
That's a wack take....Dirk only got 1 in like year 13
Luka just turned 24 and if he stays on the pace he is he will likely shatter some all time records. If he stays close to healthy then everyone look out.
He makes sense..
Tony I understand but if Luka was Dirk’s size he would be in the debate with Jordan and LeBron
Spoken like a champion
i agree with tony parker luka doncic got to win a championship like dirk nowitzki
He would have in 2022
Bro that spurs team the whole team was fire 🔥. Luka got a good squad but like them lol
He's way better then Dirk was right now lol
Of course it is stupid, Sasha Vujačič has 3 rings, but probably half of you dont know who Sasha the Machine is.
Mavs don’t have a complete team to compete for a championship. It took a bunch of savvy veteran players (Kidd, Marion, JT, Butler, Chandler) and a great coach for Dirk to win a championship. Put a Tim Duncan type of post player on the current Mavs and some more 3&D (they lost some of this to trade for Kyrie) role players around Luka, and they are instantly in the conversation. The best players in history don’t always get a complete team.
To TP’s defense, TP was a hell of a player in his prime who played very efficiently in their system. Luka would eventually need to learn how to make better use of what he has around him and play with some more star players to see what it takes to win a championship. He is getting there. Great coach in Kidd and a co-star in Kyrie. Just missing a few pieces and the experience.
I mean, it's a reasonable answer. All NBA players can't be talked in the GOAT debate unless they have championships.
I mean Karl Malone man He won nothing but bro is sometimes in top 10 discussions 😂
All it takes to win a championship is a good GM. They need to quit with this trope.
lol holding individual players to a team accomplishment is crazy. As good as Tony was bro would have zero without Tim Duncan man what are we talking about
Maybe he should have prime Tim Duncan to play with him, eh Tony?
He’s not dirk , he’s Luka Doncic , Luka talents is just unreal he will go down as the best player ever in Dallas mavericks history and also might be a top ten when is all said and done .Luka at his age is just better
stop it
Thought it was going to be this deep explanation and he said what he said because he hasn’t won a championship. Well no shit, Tony lol
Parker without Duncan is just an average player at best,
And by extension - lebron is disqualified from the goat debate
Dude trying to say he is better than Luka, Stockton, CP3, Nash, AI....
Dumb question, dumb answer
Their play style aren't even remotely the same