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Are you in favor of some type of gun control?
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No
No, because I don't want punish people who have done nothing wrong and in turn remove the rights of those just trying to mind their own business and defend their own lives against all threats that may exist out there.
What about mental health
HEll no!!
No
"Would you apply the same logic to the war on drugs?"
Taylor is the best
If there is a demand then there is a supply
Jesus christ how many cheese wheels and salami's has Taylor been eating recently, he's starting to look like Eddie Hall.
He’s a big guy
He looks like Aldy1k
Idk if he's been able to workout as much since his incident
@@yusukeurameshi6620 his cut? Its probably already healed
I think the angle on his camera makes it look worse as well, should’ve had his camera higher up like the other hosts
The cops failed here
This is why i believe in arming your teachers and citizens rather giving money towards cops who are afraid to shoot. (All that tax dollars let alone lack of self restraints as well killing innocent people) needs to be held accountable.
@@mrleafbeef634 Additionally, the abolishment of all NON-elected police and their unions would go a long way.
@@mrleafbeef634 idk what kind of teachers you had, but I would NOT trust most that I had growing up to be responsible with a gun tbh
@@mrleafbeef634 MF if the people who's job it is to go stop a shooter are failing why would teachers and citizens who have entirely unrelated professions be reliable sources of defense.
The cops failed intentionally, after getting their own children out. Then they waited 90 minutes with 40 cups outside the door listening to the shooter shooting as kids inside continued to call 9/11.
I can't stop laughing at the idea of Grandma's getting clapped all around the country and everyone saying enough with the grandma clapping 🤣🤣🤣
"There's gonna be an uprising and there's gonna be dead grannies" fucking killed me😂
Is sad but true and also funny
Filthy be like "the cops refused to help so the parents didn't need guns either"
Gets on my nerves so much
He’s right though .
@@ringo3917 say sike
@@ringo3917 We get it, you hate guns. If you’re so afraid of them, go to the UK where stabbing a and acid attacks take place instead. Moron.
Man is legit a dumbass. And I’ll say that with my chest.
He was old enough, had no criminal record, passed the background check, ordered the weapon online and had it shipped to an FFL, and legally purchased it. Gun control would not have stopped this.
Edit: I'll also add that there were 19 police officers on scene preventing everyone from going in, INCLUDING the border control team that eventually did go in.
Those cowards it’s sickening
So if guns were illegal would it of more likely stopped this yes?
@@QuickxScopexKing well you'd have police protection right? Police that stood outside of a school while 18 kids were murdered.. yes?
@@Sjcstro84 if you have less guns less police need guns so you could give the guns to the police who would do something about it, but my real point was this mentally ill twat would have less likely been able to get a gun in the first
What do you think about forms of gun control like raising the purchase age? Some experts say to raise the age to 25 when the brain is more fully developed. Many of these mass shooters are under 25.
Filthys argument at about 5 min is just the perfect argument on why more law abiding people should carry guns.
i do everyday murica
Yeah but sadly, im pretty sure Filthy's opinion differs on this one even though ur conclusion comes from his input.
Filthy is the type of person that has no knowledge on the subject but still tries to be condescending
Except that he’s right ?
@@ringo3917 No he's not. He didnt even make a decent point here.
Ikr. Dude was legit scummy. Said he didn’t have a strong stance one them but that’s cap, dude only said that to feign neutrality when in reality he just wants all guns taken away cuz he buys into the hype.
@@ringo3917 What was he even right about? Literally talking against guns without actually saying he is. I could easily debunk him and everything he said lmao
@@HappyG1lm0re less guns and more restrictions wasn’t a good point? I’m JS That mindset is why America is leading the way in mass murders
Filthy robot getting so mad about something he hasn't thought about fully is annoying
It’s nice to see Kyle be passionate for something again, it’s been a long god damn time. FPSRussias legacy endures in a way.
Filthy is a professional at dodging legitimate questions😂
I hear ya,that’s a fact!
Floyd Mayweather level defense
Like 70% of Democrats.
You can tell he's one of those annoying dudes that likes to get drunk, and then wants to debate everyone and be right about everything. I'm guessing Woody likes having him on, they both seem like a "wet blanket" type.
Idk what the hell he is even saying, he’s talking and not saying anything at the same time.
"you can't pull all the salt out of the oceans." "Yeah but shouldn't we try?"
No... We should spend our time on more valuable solutions. That was the point. lol
What is a more valuable solution then reducing the number of guns?
@@soxfan182 how about hardening targets like schools? I'd say that's an infinitely more valuable solution than merely reducing the number of legally owned firearms. Banks, courthouses and other government buildings shouldn't be better protected than our schools. Especially since citizens are REQUIRED BY LAW to release their children into the care of the state when they go to school. A state or local government that neglects to adequately protect the kids entrusted to them should be liable the same way negligent parents are.
@@SSPspaz security guards at school is reasonable. I don’t see any republican bills looking to raise taxes for school Funding to pay for guards. So that would address one aspect of the problem. The back end where the guy does the shooting. What about limiting the number of guns you can have? This guy bought two AR-15s on his birthday. Why does anyone need two of one type of weapon. I’ve understand needing a pistol vs shotgun vs rifle but there’s no need to own two of the same type of gun. That would address part of the front end of the problem.
@@soxfan182 there actually was a Republican-sponsored bill to fund better school security proposed in the House weeks ago, but Chuck Schumer shot it down saying that it'd never pass the Senate without any gun control measures in place. So the bill was abandoned.
To turn your argument on its head, why would anyone need to be on multiple social media platforms? Why would anyone need more than one house, or more than one car? Why would someone need more than one mobile device, bank account, or credit card? Our society is built upon the rights of life, liberty and property. Exactly where does the Constitutional authority come from for the state to arbitrarily tell citizens how much of something they can have? That's bullshit and it would rightfully be struck down by the courts in short order. Especially when dealing with a specifically enumerated right like the right to bear arms.
And no, your solution wouldn't address the front end of the problem because it wouldn't have done a single thing to stop the shooter anyway. Unless you think he *actually* needed two different rifles to murder some kids helplessly locked in a classroom. He only used one of the rifles in the shooting in the first place.
@@SSPspaz you didn’t answer why people would need two identical copies of the same gun. You said well what about social media. Come on. I’m trying to be respectful but you won’t budge at all. Thus is why nothing can be done.
Why...for the love of wings of redemption...do they keep bringing this fucking guy on...he's a professional at bringing nothing to the table but arguing without really making a point besides "well what would you do about it", no filthy, give us a real explanation of what YOU would do about it
Spot on. Comes off as a classic liberal whinger.
No, he quite clearly stated what he WANTS to do, he just knows he’s going to get flamed and outted as a commie if he said it more succinctly. “Why do we need guns, why do people need guns?” He wants them totally gone; he wants that civil war to happen.
yeah i want more shoenice
Filthy’s gym argument was dumb because we all know that guy doesn’t ever work out. He’s a certified soy boy
Ikr imagine thinking that a deranged serial killer who is literally willing to throw their life away would be stopped by “I don’t think I’m gonna kill anyone anymore because I’m feeling inconvenienced with the system”.
Like hell no mf the system is why those people go out and do it in the first place lmfao
Taylor’s war on drugs argument shot that down real quick
@@WiscoMTB37 filthy isn’t smart enough to relate the two.
So pale
Guy in France killed 81 with a truck. before firearms existed people killed with swords, spears and bow&arrows.
And how often did that happen ?
@@ringo3917 The truck thing? Not often until Europe let in all the military aged islamic male "refugees".
The issue isn't with the tools, it is always with the people.
He didn’t drive the truck into a school though did he ?
@@adrianjtarrant well no, cos that wouldn't work. We get it in the UK, London/Manchester/other major cities have tons of stabbings, mostly gang related, but terrorists use cars to run people over ect... we're on a island, making it harder to smuggle firearms. But Europe isn't, France has firearm related terrorism, and I'm sure with the state of the US border they would see an influx of firearm smuggling if they were outright banned for law abiding citizens. The point is, criminals by definition don't care about the law. They will find means of accessing weapons to do what they need to do. Banning firearms, or heavily restricting them just screws over regular people forcing them to be reliant on police wait times.
"The chance of you needing to use your rifle to defend your home from a criminal are very small"
Yeah, well the chance of you burning your house down is very small as well. But you still keep a fire extinguisher around.
I don't keep 7 fire extinguishers under my bed near me head at the foot of my bed and no same person keeps buying fire extinguishers because they are a paranoid Virgin... your backwards whining is why you will never make it very far in life
Bingo
But I don’t have 5 fire extinguishers. You can limit the number of guns without completely taking them away.
@@soxfan182 sounds gay and unamerican to me
@@soxfan182 How would limiting the amount of guns I'm allowed to own stop someone from getting shot in a school a hundred miles away? He only used two guns himself. Good luck documenting that too.
Legislating against guns is like when Old school nascar made rules.
Your Gas tank needs to be x Gallons.
Got it, I'll run half a mile of fuel line through the car instead.
excellent analogy lmao
This is the best analogy I have ever heard. I applaud you sir.
@@WestVirginian gracias 🙏
14:30 "I'm not an expert on gun law"
Neither are the people writing them
I love that Filthy had the gall to one second say he wasn't an expert on the culture or laws and then try to act like Kyle didn't know WAY FUCKING more than him. Regardless of biases about the situation, you should realize who the hell you're talking to here. Pretty positive he knows alot more about both those things and he doesn't even have to be an "expert".
Damn and I was ready to give him some credit for admitting he doesn't know shit. So arrogant.
“The kid in his room alone with his knife doesn’t kill 21 people”. Has he heard of Japan stabbing problem?
thats so irrational lmao. im sorry but 21 people vs one dude with a knife is no contest.
@@jakesynx you’re probably right, but the thing is you clearly haven’t heard of Japan’s stabbing problem either. There is a story of a dude who killed 19 people in a care home, and when there is no gun shots and your victims are asleep or incapable of calling for help no one is going to know what is even going on. The story I am talking about, he stabbed over 20 more people with 20 ending up in intensive care. So your whole argument of “no contest”…. Umm you want to try again?
Edit* also to mention, the police didn’t catch this guy, he turned himself in so he could have got away with more.
@@williamheinbuch yeah im sure if you went into a hospital and stab 40 people in the ICU you'd probably kill alot of them. Thats simply a security issue. Better security would have prevented all of that. Give them the guns. IF you have time to stab 21 susceptible people you should blame whoever is incharge of whereever they're staying. Because those people werent safe to begin with.
The Virginia Tech shooter used a 9mm and a .22 handgun to kill 32 people. Others have made homemade bombs, others have used their vehicles to kill more than a few. Do you honestly think removing one particular kind of weapon will stop an insane murderer? What about multiple security cameras and motion sensors at every school. We have the tech to do it and the tech to use auto locking systems in the same security Office in each school with an armed security guard to monitor them. We pay billions in school taxes each year so use it to protect the kids instead of giving billions to Ukraine! Simply Safe can protect millions of homes and businesses remotely and our Government can't? Face it people, the Democrats want total gun control and confiscation and they can't get that unless these school shootings continue so they will do nothing but say that it's the gun owners and the Republicans fault and try to gain political points.
Virginia Tech shooting happened across an entire campus and spanned nearly 2.5 hours. Do you think if he entered a single classroom in a school he would be able to inflict the same amount of damage than if he had an AR-15? There's a reason why we don't send cops/military into close quarters with just a pistol. The Buffalo shooting lasted only a few minutes and that guy got over 10 people, the Christchurch one he got over 50. Meanwhile the Brooklyn subway shooting the guy only had a pistol and no one died. Yes, removing this one type of weapon (or at least making it more significantly more difficult to acquire) will limit deaths. Most democrats don't want total confiscation. You should be able to buy a low capacity pistol as you do today, however an AR-15 should be lumped in with automatic weapons requiring a special license and additional training. An 18 year old in high school shouldn't be able to buy 2 online.
The 2018 parkland shooting had an armed guard who turned out to be completely incompetent when actually faced with danger. Same with the Uvalde police force as we are seeing now.
@@aja23136 Yes? What exactly do you think an AR-15 is?
Pistols in the military are sort of a prestige weapon, rarely issued except for drivers, gate guards and officers. The biggest drivers for pistol adoption were for example the trench raiders in WWI, tunnel rats in Vietnam, and now the global war on terrorism because of the need to enter buildings and tight rooms.
The Christchurch shooter got that many people because they got cornered, the survivors played dead when he left, and he went back in to catch the people trying to flee.
The Brooklyn guy was fortunately incompetent, there's also attempted mass shooters with long guns who "failed".
You're arguing it will limit deaths without an actual reason.
You can't buy guns online. All gun transactions have to pass through an FFL.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD A semi automatic high capacity rifle. So if the Christchurch shooter had a pistol he would have done the same amount of damage? I am talking about cornered scenarios like classrooms. Why don't we save the taxpayers money and replace all AR-15s with pistols for military and police use in that case since they are cheaper. The guns were ordered online and picked up at an arms dealer. My point still stands why can an 18 year old in high school do that with no formal training.
@@aja23136 So a high capacity semiautomatic pistol, how is it going to make things better?
If that shooter had handguns, potentially he might have had to shoot a couple stragglers, but it would be the same. Just point and shoot.
The military is expected to fire at 500 meters. Can't do that with a pistol.
Picked up at an arms dealer is exactly how all sales are done. He went to a gun store. It doesn't matter if you make a choice at the counter or at home, you drive your ass there and perform the background check. So it was bought in person.
Oh, so you wanted him to be trained? He'd have probably killed more.
I used to work at a gun range, (In Texas, as I am Texan) Owning a rifle regardless of if it is an Ar-15 or an Ak-47 is 18 and a handgun is 21 the idea being the ability to conceal the firearm. My problem with these proposed restrictions is just trying to make people feel safe as opposed to actually being safe. Gun free zones like malls and theater and such are an example of this, if a criminal wants to shoot up a theater, school or mall they are going to regardless of if they are told they would be a bad boy for doing so. The teachers should be allowed to have the option to conceal carry, and then from there be required to submit proof of sufficient training to be allowed to carry on a school grounds. Making it harder for law abiding people to get guns only affects the law abiding citizens and the criminals who want to do harm will find ways to do it, remove all guns, they will use knives and swords. Ban knives and swords and they will find another way.
Exactly, and if not teachers it's not like we don't have a bagilliom retired/unemployed veterans out there.
you left out the most effective way to kill to large groups of people guns are not in the running. Poison, explosives, demolition and fires all have the capacity to kill far greater numbers than we are currently seeing with firearms. A dude in miami burned down a night club and killed some 100+ people more than any person has ever done in a school shooting.
I mean have you seen some of these public school teachers? Your sure?
@@nutty_tv2967 Well that is why I said that if they chose to carry then they need to provide proof of sufficient training etc.
@@nutty_tv2967 public schools are proto-prisons/future criminal daycare
Filthy makes the case for protecting yourself, and to never put your life in someone else’s hand. He’s just to ignorant (about this one thing) to know it.
If we can send tens of billions of dollars to Ukraine, then we can spend the money to harden our schools.
Does filthy just come on here to be the “well actually 🤓” guy? Jesus christ its every episode
I believe that increasing the percentage of individual gun ownership will prevent mass shootings. In many cases, authorities have been proven to not be confident in taking down the perpatrator, and several potential shootings have been prevented by someone in the crowd also holding a weapon.
A shooting in a west Texas church was prevents because one of congregate had a pistol holstered and shot the perpatrator dead. In West Virginia another church shooting was prevented because multiple people had handguns and shot scared off the suspect (before chasing him down and shooting him dead in a ditch).
Authority doesn't prevent shootings, the action of the people with the power of the Second Amendment does.
But why do you need to buy two AR-15s on the same day? Why do you need identical copies of the same gun? I understand having a pistol and a shotgun and a rifle but you don’t need duplicates. That would reduce the number of guns without taking anyones rights away. You have the right to bear arms not the right to bear unlimited arms.
So you think your average guy with a gun and no training will be more capable than police? When a guy walks in with armour and a rifle and you have your 9mm handgun and no protection, you are gunna save the day?
You are out of your mind if your think police should investigate inside your house to check gun safety. Hellllll no.
why not?
@@bradon3946 they do not always see in the eye of the law. They could be swayed by there own feelings. What one thinks to be insane another could feel is normal.
@@bradon3946 because the police exist to jail you or kill you, and that is inevitably what will happen for no reason to lots of people who don’t deserve it, then you still get your “gun control” induced civil war.
The official story is that this uvalde shooter went down to a gun store on his 18th birthday and went and bought a 2300 dollar Daniel defense dd69420 whatever rifle with a 600 dollar eotech, and then bought another cheaper ar15 at the same time. Ol boi coulda dropped no less than 4 grand in one go. Does it seem reasonable that an 18 year old kid that’s getting “made fun of cause he’s dirt poor and gay” could drop 4 grand in one sitting?
Furthermore, these Daniel defense rifles don’t grow on trees, and are rarely stocked on shelves in stores cause the price, every old boomer will buy 5 diamondback 15s at a time for 600 dollars but they scoff at a 2300 dollar price tag on a better weapon. They arnt good movers so stores hardly stock them if at all. more often than not you have to order them and have them shipped to your FFL. So he had to have them shipped to an FFL before he even turned 18? Nah bro
There’s goofy stuff with this shooting no one’s talking about
There's a lot of sus stuff involved in these incidents, especially if you look at the Buffalo one in conjunction with this one, too many coincidences, like they're both 18, same rifle (that's also the rifle that's always being demonized by media), both had body armor, both were allowed to complete their horrifying actions before being stopped. And they both seemingly had massive funding and planning to do these things that didn't come from their parents.... now can there just a lot of crazy young guys out there, sure I guess... just seems a little odd they're all choosing to "activate" right before a midterm election that the pro gun control people were projected to lose... hmm
Appearing offline doesn't stop it
Taylor looks like he’s gained 50 lbs.
Its those damn cheese itz man 😔
There are other countries in the world that have similar levels of gun ownership to the US without corresponding levels of gun crime. The problem is cultural.
The problem is they give the shooters the attention they want. Back when we were having a shooting every other month they stopped showing their face and name and they slowed down immensely
There's zero countries that have the same rate of freedom. The US constitution is one of a kind.
@@BrianMillsSkills the Czech Republic is pretty close, even have concealed carry
@@BrianMillsSkills Switzerland has 8 million people and over 2 million guns in circulation.....hardly and gun crime there.....we dont blame booze or cars when a drunk driver kills someone so why blame the gun?
@@FlaccidFella mainstream media wants views unfortunately and politians want easy tradegdys
Filthy must have friends even more soft then himself if nobody's ever smacked him around. He talks to everyone like he's giving a lecture on his own grace.
Honestly his whole existence just annoys me to my very core.
The guy apparently had constant contact with a fbi agent
There is a burglary every 30 seconds, depending were you live it's even more common. People who have never seen or experience violence should be concerned themselves lucky and not shame people for taking more personal responsibility for their own protection.
Hurting animals is the way you know for sure.People like that should looked at like the people who hurt children worthless people put them under the jail in the concrete.
Bro me and all the dudes I grew up with did bad shit to animals all the time growing up. Bull frogs with fireworks in their mouths kinda stuff. I feel bad about it now but it was pretty par for the course. None of us grew up to be violent. I don't think you should use that as a definite sign of a future murderer.
@@Flint-Dibble-the-Don Yeah now you know how fucked up it is it's usually peer pressure but I'm talking about people who just enjoy not country boys fucking around.Ibhad a pellet gun ya know
If you are skinning neighborhood cats you fucked for sure!
I wouldn't gut shot a deer for fun I've always tried to hunt and put them down quickly no suffering.
@@Flint-Dibble-the-Don I think he was referring to domestic animals or animals you would normally consider "family" or "pets". Of course everyone has probably stepped on a frog or snail before, but torturing or killing animals like dogs or hamsters is just wrong.
Not having one of your guns outside the case ready to get negates the entire point of having them at all for home defense
Nope. He already passed background checks which just proves they don't do a damn thing except give the state more power.
Next.
Filthy never ceases to amaze me on how much he trusts the govt.
Atleast hes interesting to listen too. He's like steve hofstetter if steve had a personality.
@@sovietspy8866 It's almost like there's no issue interacting and listening to others with opposing view points. I swear 99% of the braindead PKA viewers think it's a right-wing safespace.
Bruh those parents put their trust in their government/police and some won’t see their kid again smh something will change because of this incident either less guns or actually defunding they police
@@jacobmeglich6699 less guns is literally impossible. you can print them on a 3d printer. If you have a cnc machine you can literally make every part of an ar15, glocks, etc
@@jacobmeglich6699 maybe we should give police more funding. For more training. Their training regime is absolutely atrocious ATM.
FilthyRobot's argument adjustments hurt my brain. All I saw was that he had a already made up his mind that he doesn't like guns much and particularly wants access to them restricted. The part about going to the gym making it harder to go was just supporting Kyle's argument. They would just take longer to get access if they were ultimately motivated and had the fortitude to continue through these theoretical road blocks. Ultimately this was a failure to stop since he had made it quite clear he was going to shoot up a school and the police did nothing for far too long.
Kyle keeps it real
The amount of guns have nothing to do with it lol. Guns and schools have coexisted for a long time. “What has changed since the first ever school shooting?” is the answer to your problem
More than one thing has changed though.
So what had changed Mr genius? Isn't there loads of countries with 0 gun shooting g that we can model after?
So then why does it only happen in America? I’m fully against gun control but I’m also a realist and can understand that it’s going to cause issues
@@redshrimp6206 dude ita a joke that you bring up Chicago like I haven't heard that elementary logic a thousnad times before. Yeah the situation in cigago PROVES the need for FEDERAL regulation.....it's such a simple observation and understanding....but I've done too many explaining the simplest thing to the densest people on earth trying to convince me guns aren't dangerous to try again and waste my fki. Time.
Demographics changed there you go
Soooo the official story is that the shooter in TX turned 18 last week and immediately (legally) passed two background checks and purchased two AR15s from a licensed dealer (for about $3k) on May 17th. He then bought 375 rounds of ammunition on May 19th (I don't know how, .223/5.56 ammunition only comes in quantities that are divisible by 10 or 20). He also bought, mounted, and zeroed a red dot sight somehow as well as purchased and mounted a vertical foregrip. He also purchased several 30 round magazines and a 'tactical vest'. Once he had everything, he was able to kill 20+ people and manage to shoot an armed school resource officer, possibly three DPS officers, and a border patrol agent in the head at distance while under stress. So in one week, he taught himself how to operate the rifles, load the magazines, zero the red dot sight (without firing a shot), accomplish several reloads under stress while drawing magazines from a vest, and become such a competent shooter that he could land a headshot on responding law enforcement. The 18 year old transgender firearm novice who had never fired a gun before, bought $4k worth of gear (despite only working at Wendy's part time and coming from a poor family; so poor that he was bullied for it) and owned the rifles for less than a week and had only 375 rounds of ammunition (at least 210 of which were left in a backpack outside the school) and likely an optic that wasn't sighted in. Not saying it's impossible, but holy shit is that improbable.
Copy and pasted from another post on fb
Imagine the cool clothes he could have bought instead of those ars.
Pretty spooky, my guy.
I don't think its because "There are more guns in this country" is why this is happening so much more than other countries. I believe there is much more depression, lack of community, higher rates of bullying, isolation etc on top of the ability to access a firearm fairly easy. in other countries they might be able to get guns as well, but you see less people fall that low in society because more families are still in tacked, so someone who is getting bullied at school can still go home to a strong families structure, siblings, social events etc. Just my opinion. Because only the last 12 years has this type of stuff really started to take off, but guns have been in America for hundreds of years. I believe something culturally is off.
lol.
Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia all have at least 45 percent higher rates of murder from mass public shootings than the United States. Do you understand what per-capita is?
Your correct mental illness but Americans selfish culture you won't fix.
I agree society needs to change but this shit has been going on for way longer than 12 years. It's more like it's only been spotlighted by politicians trying to make it an issue to get elected within the last 12 years. I was watching some old VHS tapes I found from recorded TV in the 90s and part of a news segment got caught and the top story was a post office "mass" shooting.
So I guess the question is, why don't postal workers go "postal" anymore and how can we apply that success to the other areas of society.
I've heard people say America is very afraid. Of home invasions, illegal immigrants, "leftists", and all the other politicized issues. Guns could possibly be a consequence of that deep fear many Americans have.
Does that sounds plausible to you?
govt: buys guns from the populace
Criminals: buys more guns with the money
anyone else cringe when filthy said "none of us are experts on gun laws were kinda just talking out of our ass here"
There used to be even less regulation and less control over guns and it didn't create massive amounts of mass shootings in the past. Access to guns therefore isn't the problem. What I think the problem is, is that society itself is not what it used to be. That should be addressed.
How long ago you talking? Gun laws were more restrictive in a lot of places 50s-80s. Before that you didn't get the same high capacity guns in abundance like we do now. Signs of the times.
I can’t tell who I hate more Filthy or Steve
This!
Steve lol I don't like filthy either but Hofstetter is insufferable! 🙄
or Kwelbkop or whatever tf. The unholy trinity of the unlikable guests.
Steve because he's jewish
Throw in destiny too hate all 3
Filthy the type of guy to let you slap him over and over
Filthy robot makes some the dumbest arguments I’ve ever heard lol
“I don’t wanna go to the gym so therefore guns should be banned”
Wow filthy with a bad take?!?! Never
The problem is that no one in a school has a gun except maybe a couple police officers which makes schools the perfect place for a mass shooting. If faculty had guns the shooters would be stopped much faster and would be more discouraged in shooting up a school in the first place.
Until a faculty member decides to shoot up the school. Maybe all the kids should be armed as well.
What happens when the faculty member shoots up the school
Fax bro, faxxxxxx
More guards who are trained with guns would be better
I mean, explain the Buffalo shooting then. An off duty cop was there, and did try to stop the shooting and was killed. It did not stop the shooting that took place there, nor did the threat of having potential concealed guns in the area stop the attacker from perpetuating the attack as they had body armor and tactical gear with them. Adding more guns here, is not the fix to all of these shootings as the vast majority are trying to kill themselves by cops in the process, so I highly suspect that they would become discouraged by having more potential guards and staff members with weapons here. Sure, maybe they would kill less people or would be stopped faster, but that doesn't fix the issue, only mitigating the damage they can cause. Giving schools ballistic blankets, bulletproof windows, metal detectors, etc. may do something, but then they will just find another place to have a mass shooting event or get more prepared with improvised explosives, or choose times like when the kids are let out of school and they are gathered in groups to get on busses. There is no way to create a perfect system here that prevents this.
America isn't even that high on the list of mass shootings, except for Chicago. If you take Chicago out, America is like 85th in mass shootings per Capita.
Filthy doesn’t seem to understand how easy it is to make guns. Vice has its first episode where a guy in his backyard somewhere in Southeast Asia where they don’t have anywhere near the resources that even teenagers can get their hands on and with a makeshift furnace and hand tools he turns scrap metal from a ship into a beautiful handgun.
If someone really wanted to they could build an actual machine gun and even weave a belt to feed it ammunition in a matter of weeks.
Further reason why I never watch when Filthy is on. Besides just being insufferable, he sucks all the air out of the room by never answering a question, only asking and dodging.
14:10
Biden: I cannot stress this enough, we need a Centurion rework in For honor, and to revert back to the old armor stat system, the American people want this
What would have stopped the Uvalde shooting faster?
Force police to accept a constitutional duty to act in their oath. We had a whole mob of police in hard plate body armor with helmets and rifles STANDING OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL WHILE THE GUY WAS STILL SHOOTING.
Every single last one of those cops on scene who did not go into that school should be fired and never allowed to serve in any official office for the rest of their lives. Plain and simple. Every single cop who showed up on that scene and did not rush into that building to actively seek out and eliminate the shooter is a coward and not worthy of the authority being a cop comes with.
As it stands now, police have NO CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO ACT. That means they can stand there 10 feet away and watch somebody commit the horrific crime upon another person and do nothing. Sure they may get fired, but they'll get a job with another police agency real quick. Now imagine if that same officer swore an oath that said if he does not protect the public, with his life if necessary, he will be charged as an accomplice to the crime committed that he did not stop. That would solve so many problems with policing in one easy move. You would see a gigantic decline in people who become a cop just for the badge and authority but have no interest in actually defending the public who cannot defend themselves. There is no valid excuse for how the police handled Uvalde. NOT A SINGLE ONE. They should all be publicly shamed and shunned. How can they be trusted to do their job anymore? A simple black and white situation like that. Totally disgusting level of cowardice.
Exactly. I know the current precedent / case law establishes that police have no legal requirement to intervene in the protection of citizens, however, I don't think that should apply when it comes to public schools because parents are required by force of law to relinquish their kids into the care of the state. Seems to me that the state should be civilly and criminally liable to protect that are in their care.
Pov you only watch CNN then try to argue gun control
I make firearms accessories for a side business but I could just as easily use the same machine to make a firearm in under 24 hours how's gun control gonna stop me.
I live in a state with waiting periods, background checks mandatory registration magazine limitations
And licencing and somehow it has had no effect on the proliferation of homemade firearms and the rise in shootings for the first time in 50 years. Now that the criminals are armed they know the population is disarmed by law as there is no carrying firearms here
People don't realize 3d printers are cheap and finding someone with a lathe is easy. Hell, I can make a luty with tin snips and a ball peen hammer.
@@ajjohn8729 eh. Most of the hardware Luty used isn’t common to find in a hardware store anymore. You can make some variation, but his plans aren’t really practical in america unless you’re fabricating some of the parts too.
Little lesson on statistics for everyone who wants to be informed. Suicides are included in gun vilocence statistics to inflate the numbers. A 'mass shooting' in federal statistics is any discharge of a firearm around a group of people, or within a school zone, no death or injury needs to be involved to be added. Remember to always look at where the data is being drawn from.
Filthyrobot has affirmed himself as a FOOL
He keeps saying "well we'll jus ignore it ig" bc no one is agreeing with his idea that the solution is gun control. The solution isn't gun control, that's jus the first response that pops into peoples minds instead of actually sitting down analyzing the situation and coming up with genuine solutions. Limiting one man's joys over another's sins, the new American way😑
Aka like every other terrible leftist its straight to character assassination when people realize they retarded
Well what is the solution to what seems to be a uniquely American problem?
Gun control needs to be addressed, cops get free guns and we just seen how they respond to a situation like this. If 30 cops with guns and all the budget in the world isn’t enough for one 18 year old with a gun maybe something gotta change
@@jacobmeglich6699 yeah. Take the guns from the little tyrants who generally don’t even know how to shoot well, give them to the parents. That shitbag would’ve been lit up in a few minutes.
Ive never met an 18yo high school student that can afford a Daniel Defense with an EoTech lol js
I'm an adult with s good job and can't buy a DD with an EO
@@ajjohn8729 im saying lol I smell the fish from here
Same thing happened with the parkland shooter everybody that knew the kid had notified the proper authorities the FBI was notified about that kid yet he was still able to get a firearm legally and do what he did and all the people that should have known the people that are in charge the officials knew daddy should not have a gun but nothing was ever done to stop it what's the point of having laws if nobody's going to follow them
Did you know David Hogg’s dad was an FBI agent and told him to not go to school that day? Almost like the FBI knew what was about to happen and let it happen so they could advance an agenda… now, where have we seen that before????
A big problem with getting rid of firearms even if it’s possible is making a bomb is so simple and will kill 10 fold
ANFO is literally easier to make than any gun.
You can tell Filthy was fighting the urge to say "Good" when Kyle was explaining pro-2nd A grannies getting gunned down by the federal agents trying to confiscate her gun.
You guys keep missing the point with this debate . Why are these young men going out and shooting people? The gun thing is secondary .. the main question and issue that needs to be resolved is WHY
There’s always going to be crazy people is why . But crazy people with access to guns is the result
Because they’re groomed to by undercover feds that have an active goal of disarming the populace.
i would love to see bottom right guy try lmao
He couldn’t even buy a beer. Mad country.
Filthy is reddit personified
people like him are why i blocked reddit on all my web browsers so i don't reflexively go on it anymore
I don't get it, I’m not from the US. This happens (kind of?) regularly. Most of the arguments about it related to guns. The creature (cannot call them person) would have done this with another ways, how about using a car? Or a knife or a baseball bat, getting more personal? Will you ban driving and baseball to avoid it? Is knife’s main purpose being weapon or tool? Ban all the guns you want, there will be places to get them.
My question about these situations is why teenagers lose it and go to schools? Why the kids are the target? What makes them to this morally unacceptable action?
The kids who commit school shooting wouldn’t get very far trying to buy an illegal gun
Because there is a mental sickness in America that has been (intentionally) fortified by the institutions of learning and pharmaceuticals. Both buffalo and this dude were IN DISCORD SERVERS WITH UNDERCOVER FEDERAL AGENTS and those said feds didn’t do shiiiiiiiit to stop this. Probably helped encourage and plan. Because feds want our guns gone.
@@froheschwanz I don't know about that federal agents thing. From what I’ve seen, US citizens are losing their family values because you learn that you *CANNOT KILL* innocent children from family.
In addition to poor parenthood, you guys seem to be deeply politicized. Left media pumping far left stuff (Trans children?! Are you kidding me?!) and right media pumping far right stuff. This may also be affecting young adults.
I get the mental issues point; bullying is a common thing. Adding social media to that and one can have a mental breakdown. Why not shooting randomly though? Why the children? That’s baffling me.
The question is how do you stop future shooters and not step onto regular people's rights
Let everyone open carry. Training and range shooting is mandatory in all schools.
Private. Security. In. Schools.
Just Texas alone. Imagine going town to town. Good luck.
Taylor, i fucking love you. You have exactly the same viewpoint or at least perspective and voice upon this whole issue as I do. Thanks for being a rational human dude fr
Ditto. He always has the most well reasoned opinions. He doesn't blindly adhere to any particular side of the political spectrum because that's 'his' side and that's what he's 'supposed' to think. He thoughtfully assesses matters with the use of critical thinking.
@@jenjuice432 exactly, he doesn't care about being PC and he doesn't care about supporting one side over another, he just tries to be realistic
Sus
Here's why filthy's analogy doesn't work. While all of those things he mentioned are barriers that make HIM less likely to go to the gym those are not barriers for bodybuilders. Shooters are the extremists in the gun world so minimal infringement on our gun rights won't create very large barriers if any for them.
It would work. It would make it harder for the kids who want to do it without thinking about it first. Making the process longer and harder would increase the chance that they don’t do it and think themselves out of it but if they can get a gun within a day then they most likely won’t change their minds. It definitely would bring down deaths. It would reduce the extremists but idk if you listened to him but he did say there will still be those people out there who will do anything to get one and are actually insane. We have to limit these guns and these pro gun Americans need to lose the ego and let their guns go
@@ringo3917 if you look at all of the ways these people aquired the guns then no, it wouldn't
@@ringo3917 no it wont, it mean itll just happen a week later…
@@ringo3917 you think kids just snap one day and in a spree of passion shoot up a school? No, shooters often think on and envision their actions planning what to do and how to do it for long periods of time. Making a weapon more difficult to acquire doesn’t stop violent tendencies when it comes to pre-meditated mass killing sprees, when one weapon is hard to acquire another will be picked up i.e cars, ied’s, blades, bows, etc.
The damage a psychopath with a weapon (notice how I don’t say gun because the point is mute) can cause is much less when someone else has an effective means of ending the threat, say for instance the modern day defence weapon, a gun.
If you want to fix school shootings fix the school system regularly spitting out monsters because of the barbaric prison like state of your education system (assuming you’re from the US.) Want to stop mass shootings in general? Create a society that helps those with mental illness recover and overcome their problems.
Filthy- tell me you’d be a dictator without telling me you’d be a dictator 😂😂😂
Lets dodge mental health altogether
None of this matters. I care more about the millions of lives saved by guns every year than the 100s of ones taken.
What?
@@ctt544 It’s true. The CDC conducted a study that showed how guns are used to commit on average around 300,000 crimes per year, yet are also used to save at least 500,000 and upwards of around 3 million. The range is large; the most accurate studies on the issue range from 1 million to 2.1 million per year.
@@JamesBond-wv9xz you've taken a course in stats right?
@@ctt544 A few. Why?
@@JamesBond-wv9xz i need you to explain the study or provide a link to it. Either or.
the cops aren't legally obligated to "protect" anyone, the supreme Court ruled this, so either change who you send or change the laws but either way people need to stop getting angry for the wrong reasons if they want this to change
This is EXACTLY why guns should be more prominent. You should not have to rely on the state to protect you, you should be allowed to protect yourself. When *seconds* count, police are *minutes* away.
We need arm everyone to the teeth. If you do that, gun crimes and crimes in general will drastically reduce in the same exact way mutually assured destruction prevents WWIII.
So they're useless got it
@@undeadwarrior88 Yes, their job is to fish for arrests and spend 4 months investigating crimes after they happen.
Just raise the minimum age to buy firearms. How many of these mass shootings are done by grown adults? Almost none
It’s a right and 18 is an adult
@@josephwatson7232 I mean if its a right then why is there a minimum age in the first place? It's not like all the other rights only kick in when someone turns 18.
Edit: not saying that guns aren't a right. Just saying that there are other rights in constitution/bill of rights that only apply to people of certain age.
@@richarda6530 that’s a fair argument but would you not let individuals join the military unless they are grown adults? As that would be 18 year olds with guns. We never see people join the military at 25. And if you say that those 18 yo military kids would not be able to commit a mass shooting as everyone around them would have guns it would counter your argument
@@josephwatson7232 there already are exceptions for military and law enforcement, don't see why that wouldn't apply here as well. While on duty they have access to firearms that civilians don't have access to. But while off duty they have to follow local laws.
@@richarda6530 yes but my point is what makes it safer for them to have it on duty? Is there something magical about having a badge? Because concealed carry individuals commit less crimes than police officers on average
I've got a perfect counter to the gun control argument.
"We should get rid of all the guns!"
*"You should cut off your penis to prevent rape."*
"But I'm not going to rape anyone!"
*"Exactly."*
I think filthy's goal is always to be the most uninformed and least likeable person in every episode hes in.
Looks like he should be at a Beto O'Rourke rally.
But he’s right In this situation ?
@@ringo3917 uh? Most of what he reccomended is unconstitutional... lol.
@@ringo3917 hes not
17:03 no one on earth says they arnt willing to take steps to keep children from getting killed. Provably good steps to take are; fortifying schools against these types of attacks, hiring multiple armed and armored security guards (that are *not* police officers, that way they arnt there to arrest kids for disrespecting teachers or some crap, but only to ensure the safety of the school), and having school faculty taking safety seriously.
The shooter walked in through an unlocked side door. That level of complacency is unacceptable when children are involved.
The police waited an hour to do anything. That’s unnaceptable. The police prevented parents from going in to rescue their children, arrested a few, and where ready and willing to tase parents that didn’t like the fact the police where standing around while their kids where dying.
If we wanna talk about solutions to this growing problem, we can, and I can name 100 effective solutions without even getting on the topic of gun control, which is not an effective solution
Also helps when I got a department of cops that won’t wait outside for an hour
Do u know how many school is n the U.S ?how much would that cost having armed security at every school ? 60,000 dollars pre Guard republicans will never pass a bill with that cost b real
@@bro5jonny we just gave 83billion to that eastern European country dude... and only two "elected" officials wanted to know what and where the $ went...get real dude
@@bro5jonny we passed a spending bill last month for ukraine that would’ve paid for multiple security guards for every school in the states in full with a lot extra left over. Dems and reds.
And that’s saying nothing of the fact that joe public would pay on the district or county level to fund this if it ment his kids where safe. You don’t always have to go running to daddy fed to solve your problems
@@lonesomeknoteye yea I know we always spend billions on military are budget for 2021 is 801 billion. My point is that when spending for every day citizens n fixing are country we never can find the money . Let me know when that last time a military budget increase didn’t pass
There was a “retired” FBI agent who was in the discord of the Buffalo shooter…
Not sure who is more clueless between woody and filthy.
Truth is, gun violence has been steadily decreasing since the 70s, and especially the 90s. Gun violence is less of an issue today than in times past, yet guns are suddenly a massive point of contention. Why is that? Much of the fear surrounding guns seems to be artificially-induced, and it seems awfully suspicious as to why that is...
Yet amount mass shooting has skyrocketed
@@robingifford8964 It hasn’t actually skyrocketed, there’s just more media coverage of it. You’re far more likely to die in a car accident than in a mass shooting. Cry more.
The only thing that stops bad guys with weapons is good guys with the same caliber of weapons. Bad guys will get them no matter what. Strict laws or relaxed laws. Only thing guns laws and gun control does is take it out of the hands of the guys who care about those around them.
Due to the cost of healthcare in the USA I believe more people with mental health issues A. Do not get treatmentand B. Do not get identified as a threat.
so ban guns so that less crazy people have access to firearms and can cause less harm
Filthy is such a beta it’s insane
Let’s ignore all other facts and unintended consequences and just look at something that is a statistically small issue? What about the 3x + defensive uses of firearms vs illegal uses? What about the single women who have been killed because of firearm purchase delay laws?
Let’s look at tackling the issue, not the tool. That would just be a bandaid that will have wildly bad consequences.
You know for a fact that everyone that would volunteer to “audit” gun owners door by door would look like woody.
it looks like when Woody takes off his glasses his nose comes with it
And they would get shot just a quick
Yeah cuz Filthy would be too afraid to do anhthing
Filthys the type of guy who films someone getting robbed instead of helping the person.
i have a couple poles laying around, and one’s taking them away either.
2nd amendment rights are American and make our country freer and stronger, we need more guns for law abidding citizens and do a mental health check and background check for gun purchases. Illegal gun trafficking can't easily be stopped what can stop shooters is a someone defending people with a gun more security where people are.
Haven't watched yet but i'm betting Woody is going to claim he's not biased, then go on to parrot some liberal talking point that his wife told him to believe.
If you're going into it already mad and with your mind made up why watch other than just to try to reaffirm what you want to hear.
@@nickkings2220 what are you talking about? That has nothing to do with woody always being a liberal cuck
100% accurate
@@nickkings2220 Its just woodys takes are usually predictable. Its more of a game than a loathing of PKA
@@nickkings2220 Well he wasn’t wrong lol
In my country we can own gun's but they aren't to be used in self defence, So before you can buy a gun you have to purchase a safe and have someone come out to check that's all in order, even then the firearm is kept empty and ammo is stored separately in another locked compartment. That's not gonna work for the U.S though so your gonna have to compromise safety for accessibility and then actually address the source of these issues. Stop asking what can be done about gun's and start asking what can be done about these kid's instead.
So (in the seemingly impossible event it ever happened) what do you do to protect yourself from a group of bad people set on breaking into your home and killing you? Pretend the police are an hour away and your only savior is yourself- Would you use that gun to defend yourself?
Maybe bring back a budget for state/federal mental healthcare...ohh I forgot we have to give billions of dollars to foreign "allies"..... uncle Sam doesn't have enough faith based tax revenue to afford healthcare🤷♂️
Taking guns won't do anything. We need to do a deep dive into all the shooters and find out what motivated them to commit their shootings. They were probably really pissed off about something, find out what caused that to happen in that shooter's life and go about fixing it.
This shooter in Texas was an 18 year old kid who was bullied. Maybe the education system should be where we make improvements. The teachers are overworked and don't have the time or resources to give every kid the attention they need (smaller class populations would fix this). Is there a support system in place for bullied kids? How effective is it at fixing previous emotional damage and preventing future damage from occurring?
America is a great country but there are fundamental flaws in the culture that push people to lash out in explosive and violent ways. They act out when they feel they have no other feasible options left. Maybe take a deep look at the unfair treatment the common American is subjected to and tackle those injustices and maybe we will prevent future shootings from taking place. The downside to my argument is that it is a long-term solution where positive results won't be seen until 20 years later... and elections are every 4 years. They want immediate solutions and this isn't immediate. So we will either see police at school entrances for a few years or we will see no changes at all, I am calling it now.
You can't account for a maniac who thinks the appropriate response to bullying is shooting children. No amount of planning or surveillance fixes that, there will always be maniacs. The difference is most countries do not have more guns than people.
When the police refuse to help, the weapon doesnt matter. He could have gone in with a sword and shield and done just as much harm if all the police are just standing there doing nothing.
Adding steps only harms regular law abiding citizens. A school shooter won't be dissuaded by a wait period for example, but a woman that is being stalked would certainly be harmed by one.
The guys are ignoring part of the problem here, like filthy said it could be a library or a concert or a school etc, the thing these places all have in common is a large percentage of the time no one is armed, which he didn't catch on to. Evil people who do these act choose large groups of people who are most likely going to be soft targets. People who aren't armed and trained are easy to kill, simple as that. We also need more training for law enforcement and private individuals, carry guns is not enough, if you don't train with it you may as well be a soft target with a loud toy. You are your own first responder, as this event has reaffirmed, you cannot rely on the government to protect you.
I like the idea of expanding voluntary certifications to have people as certified "guards" who have extended checks and are qualified to carry pretty much anywhere, then you would reduce these soft targets because you wouldn't know who is a certified "guardian". Similar to how they are having guardians at elementary schools. The bottom line is government isn't going to protect you. nor do they have a duty to per supreme court.