Reddit is killing their brand in the worst possible way
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Reddit became an astroturfing free-for-all years ago and lost all credibility for me. Greedy corporations ruin everything.
REDDIT is now owned by the US INTEL agencies.
Years before that, the secret sauce that _made_ reddit used to be that it had self-moderation figured out. Most subreddits were self-moderating just with downvote scores and arrows. Granted, people's expectations were lower & people's tolerance was higher. This was before my not liking your opinion/s-post became _words are violence,_ and a possible lawsuit, and ESG score reduction, and practically r-word. Now reddit has become digg-like, twitter-like, youtube-like in all the wrong ways. Russiagate and CIA lies and disinfo nannies (D-woke) rule the roost and are WORSE than no moderation. But you're not allowed to run the controlled experiment anymore, because "unmoderated" (=nanny-free self-moderating) subreddits get banned.
@@Juan-os4hsI think many "miracle" internet startups got their seed funding from three letter agencies.
@@Juan-os4hs Can I get any source on that?
@@ZaufaneKlipy Source: I made it up.
I was a reddit mod the dyslexic sub for 8 years on a 14 year old account. In January this year, I got 1 week banned for reporting a comment in /r/news; it was something I reported like months before I got banned. When I submitted a ticket to ask them why I got banned for reporting a sub rule violation to the sub mods, the admins IP and MAC address permabanned me. The reason was I committed 'multiple site rule violations and was a danger to the reddit community". Good to know me telling people about screen readers, posting dyslexia research studies and preventing scams to a disability community is a danger to the reddit community. I am surprised reddit isn't dead yet with how horrible they treat their own users.
I got permananned for no real reason too. Never happens on fb or yt. Just reddit with their stupid way they do things. Insane mods ban randomly. If reddit crashes and burns they deserve it.
r/new, r/politics, r/worldnews... All of these were captured by neoliberal bots by applying to be mods and then getting their bot buddies on the mod squad with them. It was a hostile takeover enmasse of all the current events and political subs. This happened within a week to about a couple months of Hillary losing to Donald Trump. So many MAC addresses and IP were permabanned. I kept the same account for several years. Then after the takeover, I got tired of changing computers, IP addresses, and user accounts. I wont go back any more. They can have their cumdumpster of a website. CZcams comments section is actually less toxic and less prone to DDOS attacks.
What I learned last week, they check your account before processing a report. I had reported a post and received a 3 day ban within ten minutes. For info, I had a 3 year old account with low "karma," I don't post +1, bumps, etc so I don't farm "karma." Good riddance.
They may have IP banned you but I'd be surprised if they managed to lift your mac address from behind your cable modem (not to doubt the ban, just never heard of a mac address being used for website bans)
@@bulabulable that's what they call a browser fingerprint based ban
Reddit has been going downhill for years. This is the last nail in the coffin for me. Reddit went Corporate and shot itself in the face.
Is there a similar alternative?
@@HubertGeorge If you use reddit as "subreddits for information" and not to just consume content then discord communities have been taking over for a few years now.
@@MathersHale and its superior in every way, especially since its so easy for people to make their own servers
@@rootigaroot9922 1. I can join as many subreddits as I want, I can only join 100 servers.
2. making your own subreddit is incredibly easy.
3. Reddit's information is indexed by search engines, making retrieving info incredibly convenient. With Discord I have to hope someone is online who knows the answer or rely on Discord's busted-ass search feature
4. Discord Inc. can, and likely will, someday be as evil as Reddit. Which will be a much worse scenario as they have a much stronger hold on all shared information, and there's no straightforward way for a community to archive all conversations across the platform.
Reddit has gone to shit and Discord is still pretty good for the time being. But in no way is Discord a 1-to-1 replacement for Reddit.
@@DuckReconMajor dont forget about difficult search process for finding right discord
and
long verification bs process on nearly every server before you can even see the content
We need separate unique websites and places again. Enough corporate hubs.
glad someone said this, I have been telling people this for decades
Reddit: refuses to make their mobile app slightly functional.
Also reddit: destroys all third-party mobile apps in one fell swoop.
Genius.
Ah yes, I totally want ads disguised as posts. I also want to receive constant notifications about bullshit I don't care about. I'm surprised anyone uses the official app.
They bought the last good 3rd party app and made it their main app. Once Alien Blue became the official app they figured they were done innovating, the hard work was finished. I’ve been on Apollo for years and I love it. I am going to be very upset if it goes away. The fact that they don’t track a ton of personal data AND allow for face-ID/PIN code locking we’re the two main reasons I bought in in the first place. The UI and 3rds party content integration were a welcome bonus that makes the official app look really poorly built.
RIF is fun still works for me (android)
@@Franku40keks pricing changed go into effect in the next month. It will affect all of the 3rd party apps.
@@Franku40keks Yeah as Jeremiah said (and the actual video is about), Reddit is dramatically increasing the fees on their API requests, which will suddenly make all third-party apps unviable for the creators because suddenly their costs will go up by like 10x... There's no possible way any decent third-party app is going to survive a 10x increase in cost.
“…by an Apollo developer whose post is both informative and unfortunate” LMAO
I caught that lol
Louis just can't stop supporting Harassers. He needs to do better! /s
I'm glad this has become a meme
I don't get it. What's this about?
"Informative and unfortunate." Dog-whistle for online stalkers! /s
I ended up leaving Reddit a year ago and it gave me the same seratonin boost as when I left Facebook and Twitter. No regrets at all.
Reddit has been dying for years. Censorship on that platform is absolutely off the charts.
Actually, I for one am truly, genuinely glad that /r/FPH, /r/theDonald, and the loli subs are off the site.
@@zackwyvern2582 acshully you suck then
@EmperorTalpa Use kiwi farms.
@@zackwyvern2582 cuck
@@zackwyvern2582 Agreed. Pedos and hate groups don’t deserve safe spaces, and they’re just mad that Reddit told them what everyone else already knew.
Thank you so much for covering this! It means the world not only to me but to the blind, visually impaired, and disabled communities as a whole.
Anytime sir. Anytime. :)
What can we viewers do to help everyone with this transition?
Are there other tools and gathering places that are easily discoverable for those with accessibility needs?
Some ideas:
- Archiving existing posts in the subreddit while API access is still available
- Having a compatible API so accessibility apps can transition easily
I just looked up Imgur API pricing and the person making the complaint in the video is bending the truth. The $166 per 50m messages is correct but ignores that Imgur makes its revenue from image uploads. Let us be clear here the dev is complaining about the cost of messaging on a platform that has to make money off messaging compared to the cost of messaging on a platform that makes its money based on images. This is based on the $500/month starter api at imagur instead of the $10,000/month pro api account.
This is in relation to the blind community.
Also he compains that reddit has chosen to make its money from third party devs beciase they can't function just off the pittance of advertising revenue. Oh no!
That the developer is really complaining about is thet their business model can't sustain $2.50 per user per month in subscription cost.
@@SurmaSampo I can't read when I'm mad, apparently.
@@SurmaSampoComparing images versus text for the blind community does sound kinda wonky.
Edit: Gained the s achievement.
I miss the days when hobbyists would host their own websites and forums. Seeing a massive chunk of the internet under one website really took away what was fun about the net. You used to find one website that had something you were looking for and then start following affiliate links until you had a collection of bookmarks for pages you found interesting. It used to feel like an adventure.
I miss the days before people started hosting private forms on the internet and Usenet was the go-to place for information. At the time private forums were BBS-based.
Neocities says hello
That's originally how I used twitter. I'd follow a bunch of super interesting people are, having a read of what they'd recommend.
remember when google searches gave you pertinent results and not a page and a half of useless shit
normies ruin everything. the iPhone did this.
Reddit can kill their brand for all I care. They centralized and essentially monopolized forums for the entire internet. You could have found the community you found there, in many forums long before Reddit existed. They're almost as bad as YT in the way there's basically no other popular video hosts out there.
I agree with your statement I can't stand reddit the couple times I've tried using it. But without it people will just flock to Facebook groups, not forums.
4Chan, but you gotta be thick skinned. However, non corporate unsponsorable website are GOATED because at least you get real people with Mods that dont ban you for BS.
Except at least there is some logic in CZcams not having a viable alternative. It's _very_ costly to serve HD videos to millions of users.
On the other hand, you can hire a server for cheap, a computer guy for pennies, and have them assemble you a working forum in a few days at most. And most of that time would be waiting for DNS to propagate. Most of the infraestructure is already there.
The only reason we don't have an internet made of a constellation of decentralized forums like we used to have, is because people grew lazy and complacent.
@fedeac31 The internet is going into consolidation like every industry ever. Theres always at best a handful of winners and everyone else either gets bought out or goes broke.
Friggin agree here.
Reddit began killing forums, then discord was the dagger..
Forums were so much better since you could talk about so different many topics with communities focused on a certain interest.
Also Reddit with its upvote function really kills a lot of discussion, since only certain viewpoints become the most visible, which can be easily manipulated..
I miss the times before Reddit, people running their own forum boards was much better that what we have today.
i feel scared for the algorithm not providing me the most niche, quirky, fun subculture anymore
The real problem is remembering all the logins. But password managers should fix that.
@@placeholdername0000 you know pen and paper still works too, right?
@@TheIrishMugFugyuck
@@TheIrishMugFug I work
"They have a community for literally everything" with people you can't talk to unless the mods agree with the narrative.
Or simply people who think the down arrow is for "I don't agree" rather than "does this contribute to the discussion"?
@@brodriguez11000 Wait is that the problem? No wonder reddit is such a mess, all other social media trains you to either like or dislike something, why would they think reddit would be different.
@@Distress. Karma on Reddit acts as a sort of Social Credit Score moreso than other sites. Many subreddits will use it to determine who can post, restrictions, etc...Regardless, Reddit users seem more apt to downvote anything they even vaguely disagree with than users on other social media who for the most part save their downvotes for things they strongly disagree with. Reddit users also tend to brigade/pile on increasing downvotes on comments that aren't even all that controversial.
I've been kicked out of so many reddits because I ask a question and then ask a follow up question.
They used to have a community for literally everything, until they banned half of them.
I really hate the way Reddit keeps asking me to download their app, when it works fine in Brave browser
Wait until you have to pay for that privilege
Same, that sort of coercion should be illegal.
All those big tech...FB Twitter IG etc are just websites...but they all want you to use their app.... because the app can run in the background to collect your data
I also love it when I open sometimes Facebook and it's been years now, it always opens a mobile version of it even tho I am on a Desktop.
I don't have internet on my phone and I never used apps on my phone, somehow Facebook thinks I use or need one ... F off
Every website is pushing this mobile agenda so as stripping it off from useful options, thinking everyone is casually willing to fry their brain with internet on phones so as not in need of useful options ...
Soon as you push dogsh-t onto me I am out, bye bye but seems like plenty of people in the west are tech junkies and can't live their life without being brainwashed so as ruining other people's lives too in the process, later they pull a victim card like it changes any facts that they brought that same problem onto themselves and those around you!
The app not only collects more background data, but gives them better avenue to control how you use/share content, control ad block settings, hook you into more screentime via notifications, lock you in before you use third-party api-tools.
As a developer I saw things going on this direction a while ago. First companies provide lots of good dev tools and integrations, usually free, along with a good core product. Then they make a boatload, get popular in the industry and neuter their products to extract as much as possible from people who used their platforms never realizing that eventually the companies would sell their data, charge them for the old features and eventually make the experience unusable. The first time I realized they weee using this model was when the Google maps API went from free to paid. Imagine all the people who used the free maps API for apps, tools and sites that were basically over a barrel to pay insane costs for data that google got using money they got from subsidies, tax breaks and government funding. There isn’t a single moral, non corrupt tech company in the mainstream, period. It’s the reason rtr is in such bad shape. It’s a cartel.
Sounds a lot like EA Sports track record with Madden
The biggest issue with Reddit right now is their "new & improved" moderation tools, which is basically an oppressive framework to censor discussion and give moderators an easy excuse to ban/block accounts that they don't agree with even if they aren't violating any rules.
had a 6 year old account banned for being a 'covidiot' for expressing concern over the vaccine. They called me an idiot. LIke go get drunk and go for a long swim
No shit, they permanently suspended me two times in three months for almost basically nothing
The official reddit app is almost designed like they don't want you to see reddit content. Between the ads taking up 50% of the space and the feed not loading after 10-20 posts, it just seems like they throttle consumption while pumping the ads.
Only a matter of time before they add ads before videos and a banner on gifs…
And adding a full screen ad when switching subreddits.
Yeah... I bought Reddit Premium cause it was cheap, perks were good. BUT if they raise the price, I'm out.
the new version of reddit interface on PC is just god awful too. With the old version, you see like 12 posts when you go to a subreddit. With the new one you see... drumroll... 1 post before you have to start scrolling. It's just awful
@Alexander Baker It's not the bandwidth, it's the cost of running the site and servers. Reddit is losing money every year because of this
Reddit much like youtube, has been on a steep decline for years.
And much like Reddit, CZcams is only tolerable when using third-party apps or browser plugins. Even CZcams Premium isn't as good as the hacked versions.
It's the HOA of the internet.
@@derek20la Yep 100%
Common strategy. First, build a user base by being free, open-minded and a great experience, then increasing their revenue/user by making the site worse for everyone and becoming a safe space for corporate interests (cancel-culture-proofing).
@@derek20la I'm curious what extras are available on hacked versions of YT vs YT Premium? (Other than maybe playing in background for paid content like TV shows?)
It's important to remember that social media isn't necessarily about making money, but about culture control.
Everything is about making money.
@@MrSoopah I'd agree, except on Elon's Twitter and Parlor. The latter bled out and the former took a shot in the gut after Elon bought it, on top it's injuries already and is bleeding out even more now. The only reason I imagine why it's still going is because of the potential of it's impact on the upcoming US elections in '24. Apart from that, it's just a shit ton of money to piss away, as well as multiple lawsuits and debts lined up.
@@MrSoopah Nah. There are other types of power besides money. Some influential people in politics are not necessarily on the rich list.
Really? Then why didn't Reddit set the API prices at a level to bring in money, rather than to strangle third-party apps?
@@MrSoopah Only sith deal in absolutes.
I’ve been a redditor for 12 years. Founder and Moderator of a lot of communities . But I finally gave up and got out of it because it became a cesspool for power hungry people who will censor, report and chase everyone who doesn’t agree with them.
Most people think being a mod is something important. Being a mod is just a position where you exist to help people and make your community better, more open and fun.
And that means also respecting all points of view and engage in open argument.
I just got tired. It became ridiculous. You can’t say or do anything without offending someone.
Yeah they want Echo Chambers. It's sick to be honest.
Like die hard pro-life activists, but for other stuff as well. These people have way too much power on Reddit. Wikipedia is better than Reddit, but still influenced. Anything that's slightly controversial will have die hard "activists" trying their hardest to control the narrative by any means necessary which greatly inflates their voice. r/banpitbulls, r/conservative, r/justiceserved, r/prolife are full of em and growing
I tried complaining about a product recently in the most civil way possible, explaining to the detail what they can improve, but I kept being dismissed as spam. It's quite easy to keep up the reputation of rotten companies like that if they moderate their own subreddits.
Same experience. I reported a bug and even got engagement from other users having the same problem but my post quickly went into the negative.
In a post regarding mythology, a person posted that sirens are merpeople who try to lure sailors with sex. I said that they are actually human bird hybrids that entrance people with song and that sex has nothing to do with it. My post is mythologically accurate. Theirs was not, in any way. I got downvoted to hell and they got upvoted, including their follow up post insulting me. Bunch of ignorant self absorbed children
and god forbid you try to ask for technical help for programs... i asked a simple question on how to use FFMPEG and proceeded to get told why it was a dumb question and how i should've googled it instead of being lazy.🙄
Outside of a few hobby communities, Reddit is a censorious sewer
That's what happens when a couple of dozen people moderate over 90% of the top 500 subreddits. They're all controlled mostly by the same like-minded and politically aligned individuals.
The whole voting system of reddit is designed for censorship.
@@TheeGlocktopusEver heard the story about the moderator "MaxwellHill"?
@@derek20la Didn't they know someone who didn't kill themselves?
Remember gallowboob? Dude was literally like 90% of the content of the top subreddits at one point.
Thank you for bringing awarness to people who love third toe tickled.
We are not just a fetish, we are a community
And need representation in modern media.
Pff, you've just never had it tickled by the right guy, yknow?
Can't say community without cum.
4th toe ticklers for life
You're not a community, you're a bunch of degenerate perverts. The second toe is naturally erotic. But what you do is disgusting and wrong.
They priced the communities this way. This should be a call on everyone to know that their participation in a platform you do not own now is worth a hefty price. We should build communities where the members have the control and the copyright to their content and either stop this scraping or earn real money.
Those communities exist, in the form of Mastodon and other decentralized, open, community-hosted (and maintained) fediverse platforms. The problem is, they aren't nearly as popular as CZcams, Facebook, Twitter, or Reddit.
@@BrendonGreenNZL yes, but the framework of protecting and ensuring data grab doesn't happen still isn't in place. This will hopefully accelerate the process.
im up for this cause reddit needs to have a slap on the face in reality i also despise the new reddit site too its so annoying
@@ereder1476 I've been on reddit 15 years, the day they get rid of old reddit will be the day I leave for good. The new version is toss.
Literally unusable on mobile. It auto-plays ad videos when I just scroll past them.
@@ereder1476 Amen to that
I saw the proposed change and my first thought was "bleh, who cares. Jannies and coomers most affected, cry me a river." If it sinks the entire site, that's just a bonus in my books.
This is malicious design
Reddit is a sad husk of what it was pre-2012. It isn't going anywhere unfortunately.
Even compared to pre-2017, really.
@@seamushowling572 2016 the DNC put millions into buying up reddit/mods.
@@seamushowling572 I'd say basically everything bad in recent society can be traced back to the Tumblr porn ban.
@@drunkenhobo8020
"Their kind" migrated to all other parts of the Internet...
@@drunkenhobo8020 😂🤣
My partner was banned permanently more than a decade ago. He was a mod for the communities he created. He spent lots of his time on these communities. Had chance meeting the co-founders due to the success of his communities. One malicious comment triggered discussions, debates… my partner spoke up for himself supported by others too. Then one Reddit employee connected with my partner, gaslighted and coerced him to apologise. He lied to my partner that everything will be back to normal after he apologies. My partner unsure but trusted that employee did what he was told. After that he was immediately banned. Removed and replaced by new mods for his communities. He was traumatised by what happened. He was diagnosed with PTSD! His life turned upside down. Till this day he couldn’t get over the trauma.
I’m sure Reddit did this to many others too. They don’t care about their subscribers. Reddit is a big bully, liar and they’re doing it again. Charging exorbitant fees to assess contents created contributed by their subscribers, which Reddit didn’t pay them a penny…
I got perma banned in a similar manner they really don't care about anyone but themselves and the power they hold. If anything it's best to move on to greener pastors. And I apologise for your husbands predicament no one should have what they love taken from them.
Traumatized for being banned on the internet? 🥲
You’re ridiculing people with actual PTSD and you’re probably feeding his mental issues.
I hope he finds something else to put his passion in, instead of being sad about him being banned from that bullshit website
PTSD…. 1st world problems. Should be ashamed
Lol, PTSD from being banned from reddit
@@phaseloli6668 Read the comment again.
What's even better is they're doubling down. Also slandering the Apollo developer. I'm so done with this site.
"50 million API calls with Imgur costs $166, whereas with Reddit it's going to cost $12 million, which is considerably more."
"Considerably more" might be the most hilarious understatement I've read all week. What Reddit is doing is absolutely nuts, and the comparison to Digg is spot-on.
Now im really curious how Imgur can keep their prices so low.
he meant $12,000 right?
@@joz534They kinda can't, they're gonna start deleting old stuff soon, but this is wild.
@@joz534 probably ads etc. Also reddit is grossly overcharging on purpose
It is funny how bandwidth and hardware is cheaper than ever before, yet the fees on everything still have to go up. Reddit is attempting a pump and dump for an IPO. They saw right wing elon cutting off 3rd parties to their api and decided reddit would do the same to make money. Too bad they ignored that all moderation and the biggest users of reddit via 3rd party viewers rely on api access. Reddit is betting on a lack of alternatives to keep people coming back, it won't work. People will just figure out new places to go to, even if it requires multiple sites. Meanwhile people who used the reddit api to profit on reddit data will just datamine with screen scraping instead of paying ridiculous api prices. The whole point of the api was to reduce server load for reddit, now reddit wants to profit on their lower bandwidth api. A website is an api but preformatted, your browser is sending commands and receiving text that it displays.
Every time I read a Reddit post I do it from safari on my phone since I’m a blind user. Recently, it has been this annoying thing where I have to click a button saying I want to view this thread in a browser and not download the Reddit app so that I can continue reading. If you don’t click the button, it just doesn’t load the posts and it’s annoying having to do this every so often. Since we’re on the subject of blind users, I’ve tried to use Reddit to reach out to people in the Yu-Gi-Oh community because the company that makes the video games, I spoke to their customer service a few years ago, and the guy asked me why I would want to play Yu-Gi-Oh if I was blind and thought it was a prank call. Insulting. They have a game called Yu-Gi-Oh master duel, it would be so easy to integrate voiceover functionality into a game where you literally read card text and do math.
That Reddit app nag is equally annoying to sighted users.
Oh my god, I'm sorry about that Konami customer service thing, that's terrible. Everyone's allowed to play Yu-Gi-Oh.
I avoid using all social media apps because I dont want spyware installed on my phone, the mobile sites are adequate but Reddit is the only site besides Yelp that basically coerces users into using the app, screw them.
Recently!?!?!
The customer service agent probably wasn't trying to be rude, but a blind user playing card games just probably didn't enter his mind as something that could exist. He'd probably understand it if you explained it to him. It being a prank call is way more likely than it being a blind user as well, with all the trolling going around these days.
I love that at around 7:02 Louis instinctively moves the phone out of the way so the cat doesn´t knock it off like it did in a previous vid.
The thing I dislike the most about Reddit is that it's a breeding ground for polarization and hatred. All locked in their echo chambers, addicted to rage and mocking other people, different perspectives are simply downvoted and effectively censored. It's an overwhelming amount of negativity and witch hunting. Twitter 2.0 basically. It's hard to find balanced individuals there. They have the worst community culture and it extends even to gaming, anime subreddits, etc.
It really does, try talking about any Fallout positively that isn't New Vegas in r/Fallout.
You can't really talk about 1 and 2 other than general story beats or more notable moments because most of the kiddies there haven't played them, same goes for the spin offs of that era. 3 and 4 get endlessly "eviscerated" by cretins who think parroting the same few "beaten-to-a-fine-pulp" points is a great gotcha. Talking about 76 gets you laughed out of the room by people who haven't even seen as much as a loading screen from the game. Any constructive criticism of Fallout New Vegas, where it falls short or it's abysmal launch, correcting or questioning the bizarre fanfictions the community has accepted as cannon about it's development gets you viterol from apologists so deep in the Kool aid their water wings aren't preventing them from going under.
It sucks when you just love the series as a whole, and want to have discussions on each games high and low points that you just simply can not do that in the subreddit about the series as a whole. You have to seek out half a dozen subreddits dedicated to each specific game, hope they aren't dead as there is only so much you can discuss about a 10-20 year old single player computer game, and hope they aren't filled with equally rabid apologists from the other end of the spectrum who where forced out of the main sub, and equally refuse to acknowledge the shortcomings of the specific sequel they centered themselves on.
Having a nuanced discussion on Reddit is like trying to pull teeth from a lion on cocaine. Sure it's possible, but you aren't coming out with all of your limbs.
Depends on the forum.
Reddit literally got big on Digg digging its own grave just like this.
Seriously, Reddit is absolutely insane to do this garbage when they should know that they only got big because their competitor went down this route.
Yea but back in the 2000s people actually wanted to try new things.
I was a refugee from the Digg v4 apocalypse. I didn't want to use reddit even back then and it's only become progressively worse.
Much as I like to have specific pages for specific things it doesn't change the fact that it casually contains people and mods who are mentally ill and ruin the whole experience of a community and me not wanting to be there AT ALL.
Back in a day, 20 years ago lets say a gaming community had coherent people, normal conversations and agreed in things they liked, today one franchise community disagree on millions of points because one topic or franchise is split into thousands of sub groups and collectively makes no sense anymore to even call it a community , just like the people that don't make sense who still decided to reside in. It's like talking about a battery but somehow magically attached to it by some idiotic logic a apple, orange, socks, paper bag so as bunch of other unrelated things are attached, and then all these people start arguing which is more important in a topic about batteries ...
I been downvoted bellow zero multiple times in spans of couple of years by idiots and bots, basically I could have 1K positive votes then just one post in a wrong place where these people reside in downvote me into an endless pit and my account then being restricted basically shadow-banned too.
Then when I reported it to mods etc casually said to me back there is nothing we can do work your way up with upvotes or wtf they said, there is no solution nor logic in any of this, I was like yeah I will work myself up to a page where I deactivate my account instead ... F this place and F those people too!
Honestly EVERY social media platform today is a daycare of lost idiots and neglected children so as corporations spamming incoherent garbage that next to no one cares about ... even if you block a keyword or topic well guess what it pops up anyway! SICK OF IT ALL!!!
@@belstar1128 and now they don't want to try new things ? what's that
Reddit is fine for finding answers to problems, but conversation wise it's just a giant cesspool of censorious jerks.
There used to be no censorship. That was one of the founding principles. Reddit died with Aaron Swartz. The mods became leftist trash overnight almost like it was planned. Fishy.
I got permanently banned from r/news because I dared to have a neutral view on a topic.
You don't know what "censorious" means.
@@mjc0961 I don't know what "means" means.
@@mjc0961 We don't know what "know means know" means either. C'mon now.
Hopefully this and other screw-ups by big social media sites is the beginning of a renaissance for message boards and smaller communities on the internet. I started posting on old forums again last year and it feels SO much better than the mudslinging on big social media sites.
Forums are classic. :)
what fourms? where?? I'm too young to be familiar with these forms lol someone pls explain
@@iiCounted-op5jx Depends on what you're looking for. The big social media sites try to be everything to everyone, but most forums are going to be based around certain interests, so just keep googling stuff like "gaming message board/forum" and you'll find something like GameFAQs, for example. Just transpose gaming for any other interests you may have. Most forums have general discussion boards in addition to ones for their main focus, so you can discuss other things with people you already know on the site.
This is why we need decentralized social media
Reddit has devolved. The overlords are silencing things that they don’t want to hear
It's been happening for close to a decade by my count. Probably longer though.
And it's 100% why they banned PushShift. They didn't want people to see how the conversations on Reddit are actively manipulated by the admins/mods.
You're like a decade late. Anyone who stuck around after it was blatantly obvious in 2016 deserves the garbage on reddit.
Quorra isn't any different. When my article 1 out of 20 was unbanned that contained facts, I was genuenly surprised. Probably a coincidence ...
People in the west especially hate the truth and rather get stuck in delusions, desperately go out of their comfort zone to keep it that way and ruin others lives too in the process. Later when they have to pay the price they pull a victim card like that also will change facts ...
Leftists are gonna left.
Moving the phone so the kitty could jump onto the armrest while continuing to speak was impressive and adorable
Louis has probably the best case of multi-tasking on stream I have ever seen.
Yes it was a great PR move having the kitty in the video. I missed the phone move though.
Cat sees it's human talking to himself again.
Sits in front of human so people won't think he's gone crazy and is just talking to the cat.
There is a pretty good video about how Reddit has slowly become the replacement search engine when Google became unreliable for finding information. Looks like the Admins saw it too.
Who needs Reddit anyway? Before the internet was created, people used other search methods to find the truth. The only thing Reddit created was access to right wing propaganda for the illiterate masses.
Imagine if WW2 happened today, and Hitler needed to pushed ethnic cleansing in the fastest way possible. His first choice would be Rupert Murdoch's Fox News, and the second would be the Conservative subforum on Reddit.
Now Quora woll become a search engine instead of Reddit.
@@dipanjanghosal1662 Quora has already become a cesspool - much earlier than Reddit
So true. These days whenever I google something I type "reddit" at the end of the search.
@@dipanjanghosal1662 Please no, I dont want a 1000 word essay on very simple questions. And forced login.
I think Louis does not really knows reddit, for sure some S-reddits are ok, but there are a lot of things you cant "think" if you dont want your account banned, does not matter how polite and sincere you are, if you are 1% out of line you are forced to censor yourself and hide your real opinion.
I had it with Reddit when I started to get banned for just being a member of other subreddits "this subreddit is known for brigading, and you are a member of that - so you are banned". I wrote back I've never brigaded (and I have a positive karma standing of 150K, which is earned by not reposting ever over 8 years). I deleted my Reddit membership, I don't want to be there how Reddit is now.
Out of interest, which subs were you banned from and which brigadier sub were you accused of arriving from?
That is against the Reddit site TOS.
I got permabanned from a sub I had good standing in. No explanation. When I politely asked the mods why, they repeatedly muted me instead. I complained to Reddit about the mods abusing their authority. No response. I'm still banned.
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" has never been more true of online communities.
@@Gargravarr2112 Reddit will be shorted to the center of the earth and then bankrupted out of existence, can't come fast enough
@@Gargravarr2112 Same. I was a lurker in a sub for a long time and never posted/commented anything there. And then I joined another sub. I immediately received a message from this new sub stating that I was permabanned. I messaged the mods who muted me for 72 hours. That was the last nail in the coffin for me. I have been banned from several subreddits just for being a member of a sub with opposite viewpoints.
Sometimes I really think that the Reddit mod meme is very real, and that they have never left their basement or interacted with people in real life. That is the only form of control they get. It's sad really.
2023: Anyone remember Digg?
2024: Anyone remember Reddit?
Here's hoping.
Hopefully "Anyone remember Facebook?" happens soon too.
@@kanrakucheese I think we're almost there. Used to be everyone was on Facebook, now I don't know anyone who is. I have a Facebook account, but I haven't posted in a few years. The only reason I haven't deleted my account is in case I need it for the local buy/sell group.
The key thing to note is that they are moving their process to match twitter's more closely, but not imgur. Why? Because both reddit and Twitter contain mass amounts of data needed to train the AI models being developed today and in the future, presumably. Imgur just doesn't contain this type of data. The people who need this data for training will probably still pay for the new fees. This isn't about killing third party apps, that's just a useful side-effect. Companies are selling your data and it is EXTREMELY valuable.
Holy crap, this is very likely to be accurate. I am genuinely amazed that so few people are talking about that side of things.
Twitter & Reddit as training data, oh no, the AI is going to be retarded.
If they can kill third party apps, they can kill old reddit as well. I've talked to engineers there, they make it sound like a difficult change but more than likely, they would just add a hard 301. The enshittification of Reddit will impact the ability of their unpaid volunteer mods to keep reddit stable, and this will impact overall engagement.
Reddit is killing what made it big. small vibrant communities that built their own wiki's and forums where you could find information about niche subjects.
Now all those small specialized communities are under reddit or worse discord.
When reddit starts changing to make a profit and starts shedding the niche stuff that doesn't bring in money, everything will be gone.
Discord is poorly suited for hosting communities with some degree of knowledge sharing where a repository would be great. It was designed as a gaming chat, not as an all-purpose forum.
@Fishy It actually does though, needing to join a Discord when a forum or subreddit would do literally adds hours onto what used to be a simple process.
Pins are not able to convey an entire thread's worth of information anywhere near as quickly, and often follow up questions are required on Discord.
Let's remember who _"generously"_ invested in Reddit... You know... Tencent, the minds behind Bytedance, TikTok, WeChat...
This deserves more attention and recognition, for sure.
Tencent actually _is_ the most evil company in the world.
Oh wow, I wasn’t aware of this
Pretty sure Tiktok is owned by Bytedance and they are one of the few actual competitors to Tencent. WeChat is owned by Tencent tho...
Did not know that, thanks for the info
The actual reason for this change wasnt mentioned in this video: they want to charge AI companies such as open ai for the data they harvest off of Reddit for training their models. They took the data for free up till now. The problem there is that they already downloaded all the data from the past, they can only charge for future data.
And so Reddit has to kill of future data generation as good as possible...
Well, at least the killer AI will take a while longer to train
The Reddit app is like a time machine, I instantly hear the dial up sound cause with it's loading speed it might as well run on it
Time to make a de-centralized clone so no company get's the money.
There kinda are with fediverse projects but I fail to see how they'll get massive mainstream appeal...
Lemmy is one of the good ones
well, reddit is a 4chan clone. The next one that will pop up will turn out the same. Just a psy op with no more than 50% "unique" real people.
Something like Lemmy will definitely come in handy if Reddit follows through and burns their bridges
I've gone to Lemmy, it seems to be growing pretty well after this Reddit nonsense started going down.
Reddit lost me after the censorship train really took off in 2015. Haven't looked back since.
That was definitely the turning point. I ended up sticking around until 2018; up until then you could still have some fun on the site if you kept it quiet. At some point after that I tried logging in to find a link I had posted previously only to find that I had been banned in the intervening years.
It was 2020 for me
Fuck Nazis
Trump made them lose their absolute mind.
Same. Now I only search certain technical subreddits for answers and that’s all. Community wise it’s a cesspool of fat basement dwelling losers with massive undeserved egos or Progressive Gatekeepers who are in love with themselves. No thanks, i’ll go make friends IRL
Quitting reddit has been one of the best mental health decisions I ever made. It was my last social media holdout. I do miss the "adult content" though tbh, you could get impossibly specific
Honestly, I can never get the content I want, but damn Reddit got close
Reddit's ad revenue per user is surprisingly good because it can be pretty nicely targeted. Honestly, it's basically an open secret that this is to set things up for an IPO. That's right - they're not even beholden to public shareholders yet and they're pulling this.
What's sad is at the stock market is not a reflection of how profitable a company is. It's the reflection of how profitable the public thinks it's going to be. Or even worse, a reflection of how profitable the public is desperate for it to be. It is freaking dumb that these companies that burn half a billion into the nether every year can be traded to the tune of hundreds and hundreds of dollars per share.
Casino, casino, ponzi, casino
The stock market is a much slower ponzi scheme than crypto.
It's not even a reflection of how profitable the public thinks a company is going to be. It's just a reflection of whether or not people think the stock price will increase. That's all. It has zero attachment to the actual performance of a company. Just look at Tesla, for example. It's probably lost the US taxpayer $100 billion dollars over its lifetime. It hasn't made a dime.
When you get to be the size of a monopolistic trust like Blackrock, ruining one company to increase the size of others starts to make sense. Kill off the competition.
TRUE. The stock market is measure of rich people's feelings about the economy.
They get it all based on credit and loans, based on the projections they come up with. The american dream and endless economic growth is an illusion and I cannot wait for it to crash and burn.
Reddit is crap, lol. I joined once and tried to post something but it wouldn’t let me cause I didn’t have enough “karma”. I then discovered the only way to get that was to be agreeable. Which is just a god awful model for discussion or debate.
Reddit has been killing themselves since Ellen Pao. Extremely specific subreddits are the only thing worthwhile on there because there's information that can be hard to find elsewhere (i.e. a subreddit for a specific brand/model of motorcycle). The main pages of Reddit are hyper-censored, hyper-curated garbage.
Reddit tag-teamed with free wiki software to destroy the superior option, BBS forums.
Php
Wiki is woke anyway
@@kellysouter4381 Wiki != Wikipedia
I much prefer Reddit over BBS. What BBS forums would you consider to be well implemented?
@@pyro226 BBS's are rarely well implemented, and generally somewhat awful.
Never correct your enemy while he's making a mistake.
sadly i don't think any substantial amount of users are going to quit Reddit after this, the same way so few people actually stop buying Apple stuff even after knowing how horrible they are.
@@yaboiavery5986 I agree with the sentiment but not with the example. People keep buying apple because they think it's some status symbol, reddit is just a network, which "was born" from the death of another.
I don't consider reddit an enemy. It's a wonderful resource and I _want_ them to not fuck up.
@@noname-gp3wf nah, odds are they'll just scale down their size and the sunk cost fallacy(?) would make most users stay, at least, if they don't have much to lost. Which is practically anyone that doesn't have disabilities
@@hellterminator There's an important distinction between Reddit the website and Reddit the company. Reddit the website definitely is a wonderful resource for pretty much anything. But Reddit the company could definitely be considered an enemy, since they're the ones who are making the website worse each year. I really wish the website could continue to exist without a corporation trying to squeeze money out of it...
Again, another video 1000% spot on. Thank you for being a voice of reason in this jacked up world. If I loose third party app access to reddit, I will leave the community. It is just not worth the pain of using their app....or site.
Oh gee, I'm starting to miss the internet where you typed the address into the browser, heard the sound of the modem, felt the data stream.
But joking aside.
As you pointed out the exclusion of people with disabilities and this constant waste of money, all I could think about was people who compare social media to infrastructure. The world has changed so much that access to a network of friends or people who share insterests has become a requirement. Maybe, in fact, the only way forward is to standardize, Mastodon-style federalization of social media and maybe even breaking it apart, take over and nationalize/autonomize with government subsidies as in the case of transportation.
The really fucked part is that they could implement a system on the back end where users can directly just pay $1 a month to log in using an external app, and they'd still make an absolute killing, but what's even worse is that reddit gold costs four times this per month, and they're not even CONSIDERING allowing those users, who already paid to get rid of ads, to continue using the API in a 3rd party app at no cost. They need to make money, okay, fine, why the fuck aren't they just selling access on a per user level, then authenticating access via 3rd party apps using your normal reddit log in. Clearly they just don't fucking care. Just wait, they'll go for old reddit next and then I'm fucking gone because my sesnsory processing issues make the new reddit interface kind of overwhelming to look at sometimes.
_".. they'll go for old reddit next and then I'm fucking gone .."_
same, same same
If it weren't for niche tech communities, I wouldn't even use reddit anymore. It's been going downhill ever since the redesign and it just keeps getting worse.
I don't even know anyone who uses the redesigned version. It feels like such a giant waste of space on my monitor the way the left and right side of my screen can't display any relevant content from the threads I click on.
I've only seen humans majorly online in piracy havens.
I always view reddit using the old. domain name.
Nice to see this is getting the attention it deserves. Thank you Louis!
This is one of those things where I’ve tried my best to look at everything as someone who didn’t even know of third party clients for Reddit until last year, and opted not to switch because I was used to the app by then. I’ve found most of my issues with Reddit content comes from searching for posts through Google on mobile rather than the app itself. The biggest issue is when comments won’t load, but that also occurs on Desktop (even if using old.Reddit, which isn’t going away according to devs). Ads are a pain, but I find most of them are easy to spot & they’re about as annoying as Twitters.
Now, do I think Reddit charging 3PA’s money for their API is unreasonable? No. Do I think the price they chose is too high? Yes. But that’s not the worst thing they did here. Giving these devs THIRTY DAYS notice about the pricing is what irritates me. Had they given devs an actual buffer period to work out how to trim down API requests, maybe include slight cost tweaks to Ultimate/Pro variants of their apps, or an option to have their UI sold to Reddit so they can include & provide accessible features in the native app, then I’d be talking differently. It’d still be a rough amount to swallow, but at least the devs would have time to find solutions. It makes me upset to see that Christian, the Apollo app creator, was trying to work with Reddit & was being reasonable…. and the Reddit devs interpreted it as a threat.
Thank you for speaking out, I think this can really be the death of reddit, and a threat to open social media ecosystems, they have been getting smaller and smaller each year
They're dying Because they spend so much time attempting to appease the "woke," far-left crowd. Before Reddit banned PushShift, you could see how conversations were steered and manipulated by the mods and admins. Any opinions that disagreed with the popular sentiment, or sounded like they were right-leading, were removed quickly--it didn't matter if they were respectful, followed all the website rules, and made valid points supported by reputable sources. Reddit is in a sad state and it's just getting worse.
YT was morally dead for 10 years yet some of us are still here, very few when you look at your surrounding but collectively millions upon millions of people which justify to Google continue their garbage ways of operating this place ...
The only hope I have is a hope for a miracle or hard reset, or a new website that nukes this place.
Reddit died with Arron Swartz. The comments used to be hilarious before the government pressured Arron to self delete. He believed in a free internet. I still believe.
Get on the fediverse like Lemmy, Mastodon, Pleroma, Calkey, Friendica and others. We can stick it to big tech.
@@zs9652 sorry brother, I ain't touching Mastodon with a ten foot pole, fu~ck this shit man, I love everything FOSS but considering what's hosted and what is allowed on this dumpster. . . that's a massive yikes my dude.
Reddit is also how I learned what unpersoning is and how much of a risk it is when it's a core thing like the cloud.
You referring to the legal system?
@@cjclark1208 no, "unpersoning" somebody means erasing their entire existence from the record. Your entire identity is stored on computers owned by international megacorporations, they could *really* fuck up your life for a few years by "losing" your data. It's a reference to _1984_ wherein an "Unperson" is somebody who was vaporized, and then meticulously erased from history for political reasons.
Sorry, "unpersoning"?
@@3nertia I *think* I know why they banned my account, drama nonsense. But they didn't actually tell me. Just every account belonging to everyone who ever even logged in from the same IP as any of my accounts, gone with no explanation or recourse. All of the stuff we did is now unreachable without going to archives, and those are dodgy.
Nobody has reviewed the appeals and they never will. I could evade the ban, but I was proud of the community I was part of.
If it's a cloud service though, you can't evade the ban. They're scanning people's retinas as a form of cloud authentication. Are you prepared to let the same people who pull shit like this have control over your digital life? What happens when it's your IoT provider and not a social media site that pulls the plug in the same way?
@@3nertia is my explanation no longer visible?
Reddit spent the last few years IP banning all the users who would be the most vocal and effective complainers about these changes.
Reddit mods and censorship are what is ruining it. Hoping an alternative takes off.
The issue is, Reddit has become a left wing echo chamber. So the alternatives that I've seen just end up being literally the exact opposite of Reddit in terms of politics and the user base is significantly smaller.
Whatever alternative comes out will just end up being the same. Most often times it's the users who ruin platforms.
Was reading le Reddit front page for last two years. Literally most isolated brainwashed place to exist. It is like talking to people who used to sit in front of a TV 24/7 lol.
No surprise there that companies finally crawled out to light
Leftist cesspool. It's unbearable
So they want to bill people more money for using less bandwidth than loading entire html+css+js bloat. Logic.
It’s about control and data mining.
Right? It feels so much less like a money grab and more like killing third-party apps so they can get more data or something.
datamining to train AIs on Reddit is a thing and they are angling for that. Also if you think spamming dozens of API calls per second is lighter on their backend than a human browsing you have zero clue. Your browser caches all the items so you aren't redownloading much unless you aggressively clean browser cache, and the bloat is running on your PC not their servers. That's why it's javascript and not php.
@@ahrengroesch8774 bingo, winner winner rotten chicken dinner.
@@marcogenovesi8570 You do realize bots exist?
Reddit can make $6 per user per day by selling all youre personal info, Where You are, Where Youve been, where and when You fly your RC Drone, what youve bought off of TEMO, amazon and ebay, what you had for lunch, your cellphones calendar with all your Dr. Appointments, how much you spend on alcohol and cigarettes
Ads, ads, ads, bugs, slow, "YOU BROKE REDDIT".
I like seeing it die. The power trip of some mods will come to an end.
Keep in mind the priority with APPs for a while now is collecting data, not necessarily functioning well. Sites will push apps literally just to get the data off of your phone, because those apps go into areas of your phone that they shouldn't be.
is there any proof of this? e.g. what areas popular apps go into?
@@rjj00 There's been proof online. Actually Linus touched on this in another video about reddit.
Apps like Tictok... Facebook, LinkedIn actually got caught for the same thing as tictok. Clubhouse does it as well. Read all their clauses. Most games apps do this as well.
Some of their actions actually tell you that they're deep in your phone without your permission. Contacts, browsing data, pictures, texts etc.
Someone for the army actually made a PT app that could go in and steal your pics, change appointments.
There's apps that have partnerships with the manufacture and the manufacture will weave the app in so that it's hard to delete if not impossible. And if you're able to then it messes up phones functionality.
And this why I don't buy and android I can't hack or get an Iphone.
@@rjj00 czcams.com/video/DPeDCbOmmp4/video.html
@@rjj00 probably like what you buy, call logs etc, they then sell this data to companies like google who then shoves the ad down their throat using the data, and this is just one of many ways how your data can be used
I stopped browsing Reddit a couple years ago after I noticed the blatant censorship and agenda driven actions.
Maybe this is the final nail.. When I need an answer and the answer is only on Reddit, what I do now is to use the cached version of the article on the Internet Archive
Round about the time we were voting for Brexit in the UK. It got very, very pro remain. During our general election it went more and more left wing. Now its far left. Open debate in the UK subs is extremely censored. A lot of people left. I was one of them. It's a online asylum
@@jazztheglass6139 What you need to do is figure out how to get the hell over to this side of the pond lol. My Aunt is from Ipswich, and she got it figured out. I think she came over on a travel visa, stayed till it ran out, and paid like $1,200 for a lawyer to start her green card process.
VERY nice lady, but she unfortunately fell to the anti-trump rhetoric. Id claim her before the rest of my blood family though.
Imagine owning a room full of guns, and you didnt even have to convert a training pistol or make a ghetto Luty(God rest his patriotic soul).
@@hardbrocklifeanti-Trump rhetoric is fine - assuming it’s the deserved kind. He has done a lot to deserve scorn and to lose support, fwiw.
Yep got banned for saying lesbians neither have nor desire male parts in pretty much those exact words. Never $#!* posted and stand by 99% of the comments I ever wrote in my decade of using Reddit. So many of us were driven off the platform for that reason. The whole business model is becoming an effective monopoly for site type and selling their captive audiences to obscenely wealthy influence peddlers whether state or private.
@@jazztheglass6139 Same could be said about any political sub.
Even the subreddits for American conservatives is incredibly censored. You could be a Trump fan and just not agree with one thing he did, you mention it and you are banned. Better fall in line and have unwavering support !
I look at real life too and I see that this crap isn't just happening on Reddit. I remember the days when you could have an actual political debate. Not anymore. That along with the ever increasing amount of shootings here in the US... People are getting more tribal on both sides.
The 12c/mo figure per user is an incredibly generous estimation, assuming the best in all cases when there's a lack of data. In reality, Reddit probably makes way less, but they wanted to be as generous as possible for the sake of comparison.
The internet and core websites like reddit, youtube, and social media sites should be public utilities, NOT companies.
As toxic as Reddit can be, I'mma miss the narrowly specific niche subreddits for obscure or non-mainstream hobbies and interests. Lemmy is trying to push itself as a federated alternative to Reddit, but the average joe who uses Reddit seems to dislike how Lemmy isn't extremely simple/easy to use, and requires you to be at least a little bit more tech savvy than average.
I doubt we're going back to this, but I miss the days before Reddit where all those niche interest you spoke of had their own forum or newsgroup. One of the major problems with Reddit are global rules and moderators and people "owning" subreddits they have nothing to do with.
> but the average joe who uses Reddit seems to dislike how Lemmy isn't extremely simple/easy to use, and requires you to be at least a little bit more tech savvy than average
So there will be a technical barrier to entry? Sounds like the place to go to actually discuss technical subjects, given reddit has been absolute dogs hit for that for years, as the average IQ of the userbase has gone into the single digits.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 I guess reddit's been around long enough that people don't remember or don't know what existed before it.
@@treelineresearch3387 let's not forget that reddit was never perfect lol. In the past there were the cringey atheists, and jailbait + violentacrez, etc.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 this. I miss the weird forums and when everything wasn't centralized.
Reddit thinks that by removing their competition it's going to force or drive us users who used them to their own awful data collecting ad ridden version of the site when in reality i for one am pretty well fully prepared to just no longer use the platform after 9 years because its just not that important to me. i hope this is the prevalent take on the matter is for everyone to just leave.
Where should we head to then?
@@Pyxis10 outside, touch grass
Thank you so much Louis for letting me know I can use the old reddit instead of the horrendous new reddit, I wished I could do that ever since the change but never knew it was possible.
Reddit did this so that AI companies can't just comb through all "their" content to strengthen their LLMs. 3P apps are just a casualty of this change.
OpenAI grew so rapidly and Reddit got nothing out of it, so they're pissed.
I haven't thought about it that way. Interesting.
But I think it wouldn't make it that much inaccessible to AI if it's going to remain as a public website that doesn't require login to read.
I just want to mention that your videos are produced with better audio than those from professional news services, and the video editing is often of better than professional quality as well.
I loved reddit for a long time it was imo real social media and I learned a ton from the many sub reddits I was in. Then they became anti free speech and I found myself getting suspended for winning arguments. Everything became overly moderated and like mentioned in the video I noticed the corporation simpery going on that tries to artificially create love for brands and corporations and when someone like me critiques those brands they remove the comments
Free speech does not exist on the internet, especially in a space where people are posting worldwide from tons of countries that are not the US & do not have a first amendment. Really wish people would stop incorrectly using freeze peach when it doesn't apply.
If you want to say you're tired of not being able to just have a conversation because of misused moderation, which is a necessity online, say that. Not this BS
@@IAmTheBugInsideYou Reddit is an AMERICAN social news aggregation, content rating, and discussion website.
I think its hilarious that you think free speech doesn't exist on the internet. It most certainly did and still does. The people that have the thought process that it doesn't, follow ideologies that mirror tyrants. Then there is the simps like yourself that blindly do their bidding on the internet trying to convince ppl like myself that I'm not allowed to tell you that you're a bozo
@@IAmTheBugInsideYou You think free speech is only the first amendment? "Really wish people would stop incorrectly using freeze peach." I can agree on that. The concept may have been enshrined in U.S. law, but to think it is only U.S. law is a frighteningly limited perspective.
@@ReturnOfHeresy any company that operates in the USA is bound to the laws of the land. This is an American company we're talking about. But its not even about the legality of it. Morally, suppressing free speech is wrong. The severity can change once the flood gates are open too which is why its a slippery slope. Who gets to decide what is ok to say and what isn't? What if they decide you can't debate with me about free speech?
@@FermentedGrumpyGrapeSqueezit I agree.
Maybe you meant to @ the other guy?
My point was only that Free Speech is a moral principal first and foremost, just as "no murdering" is also a moral principal first and foremost.
Thanks for some clarification on this issue. I've seen a lot of posts in my reddit communities about going dark on the 12th and I wasn't sure what it was about.
Glad I found this channel. This and the Amazon 'smart' home cancelling story have convinced me: subscribed!
I love how easily those sites forget that they own their success to their users, and if they piss their users, and drive them away, they are nothing
Reddit is just a propaganda machine now. You couldn't pay me to download their app.
for real, their app is unusable garbage, use a third party one instead if you can, like infinity
You are right, I can't stand alll the propaganda I see on the r/canning
It's mostly a bunch of user communities, so no. Just because there's sponsored stuff doesn't change it's core. It's a platform, like Twitter or CZcams, just with _a lot less_ top-level oversight/moderation (subreddit mods do not count)
I will agree with you 100%
Some of this content outright scares me!
Plenty of great content, just seems to be getting swamped with some political agenda of one form or another
There's a ton of bad advice on there, some of it destructive, predatorial or dangerous
@@MsHojat how much did the CIA pay you to say that?
RIP Aaron. The place died when he left.
Reddit uses "democratic truth" with overbearing moderators and censorship on top.
Perfect to have your invalid preconceptions fed by like-minded people. API or not is a secondary issue considering the implications of this.
At this rate, Reddit might work their way into becoming one of the few that passes the strict standards of the 'Libel Proof Plaintiff Doctrine'. A defense against defamation and libel lawsuits where the plaintiff's record or public image is so bad that they cannot sue for defamation or libel. Their negative actions or conduct are too common place, that any negative allegations towards them are seen to be plausible enough for the general public to be believed and spread as fact and they generally have no good reputation left for defamation or libel to harm.
Unfortunately there is not yet a thirdtoetickling subreddit
Bummer :(
r/birthofasub?
@@cupofdepressino-7474 keyword "yet" ;) give it a few days
@@LeftyPencil be the change you want to see in the world
@@jplayzow I would create the sub
and immediately lock it in protest of the changes
censorship on reddit is out of control, banning is ruining coversations
People have conversations on Reddit?
I was permanently banned from reddit for reporting two comments that appeared to be spam, as spam.
That was considered "abuse of the reporting system"
So.. oh well.
The fact that these companies can build their services on our data then hold it hostage.. I miss the 90s decentralized net.
E: I think they could fold from the exposure and pressure
There is so much human history saved in these archives, we also made the mistake of using services like this.
I kind of lost all hope some time back during a discussion of alt tech when someone said it's bad enough that they have to visit different sites for social networking and videos. There is actually a conscious desire for even more centralization. People want an everything feed from a single entity with no thought process. The infinite scroll of Tik Tok dances and friends' dinner pictures.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 convenience these days decentralized distributed mesh networks might help but domain names are centralized I doubt we could have decentralized domain names
Don't talk me about it. Recently talked about that there needs to be antitrust action against the big tech corpo's and either forcefully litigate them to only moderate illegal content or split between content hosting and distribution.
Dude complained that "decentralization would ruin the internet" and went on how that centralization should increase. I know the less tech litterate can only barely check their own email on a good day but damn these types of people would hail a single company with unchecked power as the second coming of Christ.
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“The fact that these companies can build their services on our data then hold it and you hostage..”
Taxes, elections, social aspects of society. *oops*
To be fair, my complaint about reddit is about how much I USED to enjoy it. I loved being able to watch the tragedy unfold in STL with the Michael Brown shooting by a police officer, and see tons of raw video, instant uploads of documentation, and moderators ripping ANYONE to shreds who tried to modify/cut/change the perspective of the event to the left or the right. They also did a fantastic job of showing MSNBC and Fox News bias, and calling it out as such. It was FANTASTIC. Today, if the same thing happened, you'd literally only see clips from one biased perspective, and anyone offering other perspectives would be silenced and banned.
If the companiea don't make money how do they pay those exhorbitant salaries for employees to do nothing?
I think Reddit sucks even for finding like minded communities, you still find the best communities for your interest on dedicated forums.
As bad as this situation is I'm super happy to see so many communities standing up against this. I was really worried when reddit made the initial announcement that this was coming a month back and it got almost no attention that this would happen to a shrug of indifference by most people but now if they do this it will at least be to the loud anger and backlash of a lot of users. Would suck to lose both reddit and twitter in such a short time but hopefully some new better sites will gain traction.
1500 so far.
Reddit: Find your Echo Chamber (TM).
We loose money on every deal ... But we make it up in volume 😂
Thank you so much for explaining this! I am vision impaired and occasionally use Reddit. I knew Reddit was going downhill, but I didn't know it was this bad. I have only used the website and somehow managed to never use my screen reader so maybe that is why I didn't notice some of the issues. I am very glad there will be a Reddit blackout for a few days in protest of Reddit doing these unacceptable things, uhg Reddit and their executives are very greedy and discriminatory.
Saw a violent video about an elderly guy that got jumped by multiple men. He shows his gun and they scramble.
Said i would shoot them in the leg just to be safe in this scenario. Got banned... What!? So we allow violent content. But not self-defense advice? Wauh.