The Naming of The Adeptus Astartes and How They Were Nearly All Destroyed! Warhammer 40K Lore
Vložit
- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- ► Join the channel today: / @sandmanofterra
► Get discounted Warhammer through my Element Games affiliate link: elementgames.c...
► Instagram: / sandmanofterra
► Twitter: / sandmanofterra
► Music Credit: FREE BACKGROUND MUSİC - No Copyright Music - Fallen Knight
• FREE BACKGROUND MUSİC ...
►Thunder Warrior by John Stone: www.artstation...
Warhammer and Warhammer 40k are copywritten to Games Workshop. All footage and art in this video are used for educational purposes only.
The artwork throughout this video is used for educational purposes. if you see your artwork and would like an art credit, message me.
Everything you need to know about Warhammer 40K lore in one video! czcams.com/video/8jhGnWxFdfE/video.html
Astarti can also at least by sound reference the stars ie Stars Marines for Space Marines. Like Warriors of the Stars or Conquers of the Stars.
Astarte : blow her laboratory up and destroys her work.
The Emperor : "Nothing that some duct tape can't repair."
With the power of flex tape the super strong waterproof tape
@@toasterten1293 *slaps it
There we go.
He truly embodies humanity by his simple actions
@@toasterten1293 that's a lot of damage!
Ah yes the Holy Duct Tape. The Mechanicus use it on everything
Emperor: I want big powerful super soldiers who are nearly unstoppable
Doctors : sure here they are
Emperor: thank you I am going to use them for war
Doctors: suprised pikachu face
I guess it was more like she thought he would be using them as peacekeepers or to defend humanity from aliens and invaders. But when she found out his goal was to conquer other humans that's when she noped.
@@sprksmr7208 yeah but almost everyone that made a warmachine on terra for the emperor they always get suprised when he wants to use those for war
@@sprksmr7208 yes, because the guy that conquered all the other human Factions on terra, couldn't possibly want to conquer all the space Factions too.
Yeah that seems to be most of these weapon designers in 40k, it's really weird
And thats GW lore for ya!
convoluted, confusing and full of holes!
If you want the Emperor to be an absolute Tyrant: he kept the name "Astartes" out of spite, and to taunt her. No matter what she did, she couldn't stop the Emperor's plan
If you want the Emperor to be a Reluctant Tyrant: He kept the name to remember her. She may not have been able to see it, but the Space Marines were the only chance for mankind to survive. Even if she didn't see it, her work will save humanity in the end
Little bit of A, little bit of B maybe a bit of C where he forgot her name and didn't realize till it was too late
@@tonyluong6732 it's the ducking emperor he forgets nothing
I’d say he’s a reluctant tyrant. The imperium was his plan B for humanity, as he had nudged humanity toward the federation from the shadows. He wanted humanity to prosper without his direct involvement. If that’s not the definition of a reluctant tyrant I don’t know what is.
@@loganb7059 yet, the emperor intentionally enslaved trillions to unending hard labor to a goal that no one could know and remains lost to time.
@@anonymousguy720 did you forget the tyrant part of the reluctant? Lol, that’s why he is a tyrant…
Big E: I’m creating 12-feet-tall demigod sons and lots of 8-feet-tall super soldiers.
Perpetuals: You’re not gonna use them for galactic domination, are you?
Big E: Well, they’re not gonna be playing video games all day. What else are they for?
Perpetuals: *wheezing and crying*
Bob Tit, a Mechanicum tech priest, discovered the STCs for the combat walkers that are now named after him: the Titans.
Got a real lol out of me that was beautiful 😂
This, this and this
Bob tit 🤣
Don't forget about Gary Bolter, the Thunder Warrior that invented the bolter
Let's not forget about the famous roman philosopher named Exter Minatus
The whole Astarte thing will never stop making me laugh, it reminds me that the emperor's true name is Johnny Space.
Obviously thats why he called them the space marines
You mean Jimmy?
He'll always be slippin Johnny
Is it really?
Dont you dare peek Johnny boy !
- the 2 time.
Ah yes, the genius inventors of the Imperium: Johnny Las, Johnny Predator, Sebastian Bolt, Nathaniel Stubber, and of course Jimmy Space himself
Walter Las, Jesse Melta, Saul Plasman, Mike Baneblade and Gus Dreadnaught
On the bright side, if you invent something your name will be remembered forever
Don't forget that space wolf techmarine.... WOLF
Not to mention Lehman Russ
@@zekramnordran9526 Walter White invents the White Scars legion
This is about as believable as the Land Raider named after someone called Land. If it had of flew the guy's name would have been Sky. Can't wait to see someone called Bolt comes up with.
Don't forget Laz. His guns are famous galaxy wide
It does fly… the land speeder. Same bs naming mythology.
Yeah Land hates that everyone calls it the land raider
Yea, Bolt being distant relative of Usain Bolt.
Nah, I think the space marine one a little bit more acceptable. It the Landraider one that really made me scratch my head. Wtf thought of that up?
Did u know that the Space marines received their name when a man called Johnny Space helped create them. He later became Emperor Space.
Holy shit, Emperor Space and Johnny Space are the same person!
Ohhhhh..now it all make sense
Where does James Workshop fit into this?
Lmao they really pulled it again. Might as well call the gene scientist John Space Marine
The Auto cannon was invented by Greg Cannon. The Missile launcher was invented by Larrius Launcherus.
Astartes: delete all files...
Emperor: load back up files...
Astarte: blows up herself alongside all of her work and the lab.
Big E : Oh no! Anyway...
Johnny space to lab lady: 3-0 cry
*Proceeds to use them for conquering*
as if he couldn't just do it himself, the fact that he was probably the main scientist.
Used to be it was just a somewhat latinized version of 'Angelus.' Now it's after some random scientist they retroactively named Astartes.
Astarte was also an ancient middlebeastern goddess, I think of war or destruction. She might have been in the same pantheon as El (aka Yahweh, aka God with a capital G)
@@RorikH no Astarte or Ashtart was the export version of the mesopotamian goddess ishtar, who eventually evolved to become Aphrodite.
@@financialproblems9308 She was a goddess of sexuality/love, also a goddess of war.
@@RorikH yes that's her qualities all consistent within all forms of this specific goddess , each trait being more strong in different cultures and by different people.
I'm disagreeing with the pantheon part cause there's just not enough evidence so we can't say for certain
@@financialproblems9308 Ah, okay.
Funny, the same thing happened with Jose melta
I can't. This comment section is killing me. 😭🤣
The mechanicus is actually called the mechanicus because they were founded by Bob Mechanicus.
Bravo GW
The adventures of Bob Mechanicus and Jimmy Space as they hunt down James's workshop!
Actually it was Bob Mechanicum, they just forgot how to spell it after the Heresy
Alot of the people and close advisors the Emperor had eventually all left him because of their morals or beliefs that he was no longer a good man until it was just him and Malc. The Emperor said it did not effect him much when they left because he respected them enough to leave them be, and cared for them as friends. Deep down he is a man and is flawed, but he still cared for those under him and understood the things they did
Some people don't understand that path to greatness requires sacrifice
@@josefptacek113 Oh, they understand. They just don't like the _'Your death is a sacrifice I am willing to make for my great goal!'_ part.
@@Furzkampfbomber Hence why Griffith did nothing wrong.
@@SrThanatos010 He and magnus would have so much in common to talk about 😂
Join us next week as we explore the story of Johnny custodes. A waiter in a post apocalyptic bar who lend his name to the custodes.
And his lesser known brother Sisterouv Silence
Mechanicus: we found a vault pods labeled "primaris" and the blueprint from the emperor himself
Astartes: wait..why does he have that?
(Meanwhile on terra)
Apothecary: did you see that?
Dorn: see what?
Apothecary: I could've swear the emperor heart beat just skipped a beat there, what scared him there to make it skip?
Dorn: must've been something from the warp
The Emperor of Man:
👁👄🔴
Mechanics"now that we have found the blueprints.....where are the toasters we were promised"? Astartes "hush you"
I like to think the Emperor had a TINY crush on Astarte and Erda.
Doesn't real fit maybe in his earlier days
I’d say knowing him it’s a “no no give credit where credit is due” type thing
Its a lore retcon. Feminist nonsense
It´s a "let´s undermine the emperor and unintentionally the chaos gods" retcon nonesense. Like him finding the golden throne. Which is apparently ancient. Meaning the entire human race SOMEHOW NEVER FOUND IT. while it was on terra. You see what bollocks that is?
@@DarranKern A girl did a thing = feminist nonsense.
This is why people don't take you lot seriously, lol
@@DarranKernStop crying like a child. It's GW making up lore for their copyright chasing.
@@LairdDeimos what are you even talking about
Emma Astartes: It's over George, I've deleted the work.
Big E aka George Habibi: You underestimate the power of the Cloud
*opens Google Drive*
Astartes: party this you filthy casual (blows up lab and takes her own life along with all the knowledge)
Emperor of mankind: (flips hand of cards around to show he's been holding all the uno reverse cards ever made) you thought...
Parry*
I mean the thing about space marines that are sort of interesting is that the emperor already made custodies which are basically perfect compared to astarties even to the point where they supposidly don't need any augmentation surgeries to implant organs, they grow everything once the gene seed is planted, so to wrap around, he didn't even need the scientists to develope the astarties
EXACTLY, new warhammer fans I think can't understand that. He didn't need to try to save humanity.
And of course they are also called the space Marines bc of the contribution of the great Jimmy Space
Bc every name needs to come from someone and isn't derived from just what they did. Like the land raider
The attempt by GW to deconstruct the Emperor never ceases to amaze me.
its not like the emperor actually needed scientists to make the astarties, he had already made thunder warriors AND custodies, if anything the whole project was just to provide cheap cannon fodder and give people the knowledge to build super soldiers
Ahhh yes. Don’t forget how the imperial guard are named in honor of the legendary hero Guard, who once bought the emperor lunch.
The real reason lore wise he didn't change the name is that its leans into the "evil emperor" trope 30k got attached on itself parasitically by certain writers and wasn't a well thought out thing.
To many chiefs, not enough oversight or narrative planing combine with writer's that's given to much freedom and the will to leave there mark and you get conflicting things like this.
Neoth: "You thought you could destroy the information so I didn't get my hands on it.... but you failed to realize I made a windows backup. AHHH HAHAHA."
the emperor have the worst cast of friends. Only Malcador remains and sacrifice himself too.
“Worst friends” dude doesn’t exactly create an atmosphere where people want to be around him unless he’s either psychically manipulating them or engineering them to have no choice.
On one side, i genuinely enjoy the idea of the emperor having had help from teams of humans to aid him in perfecting the Astartes, it shows how even the most powerful of humans still behaves like one, still needing the aid of dozens of men and women. As well as showing that even the lowest of humans have been apart of the foundations to even the greatest of Angels in the Imperium.
But on the other hand i also see how this strips allot of the mystic and intellectual prowess of the Emperor. How one being revolutionised the world, beginning a spanning power galectic super empire. Either way i still enjoy the plot enough to not mind it.
So he didn't make the Custodes? Did he need her? He's maybe one of two or three oldest perpetuals, he didn't need her AT ALL hence why even IF she destroyed it, the emperor was the main scientist. It does take away from the lore in a bad way, AND I understand the emperor is human, hence why he chose to try to save humanity were every other perpetual and even the cabal have no real idea. The best idea behind the emperor is that he is stoic as any man 100's years would be but Far wiser and smarter than any other being in the galaxy including other perpetuals. But still makes the mistakes when it comes to humans, showing through at his failure of his sons, even if they had been 'corrupted and swayed'.
he was a great administrator and visionary - even a god cant exist alone and must have others be their eyes, ears, voice, and hands
@@tarektechmarine8209 absolutely cringe. This is nothing but lore retcons, reducing the impact of the Emperor’s singular accomplishments, and spreading them to other groups like women, simply because of muh diversity inclusion representation blah blah
@@DarranKern I also think that in part, but I think it was more to give them a mother, or something like that, which loses much of the doubt/mystery of the emperor seeing them as his sons or just tools
@@Zhentarim for what purpose?
I think he left the name as a way to kind of honor her work. Yes she did go a bit…nuts…but she had made a huge contribution to humanity and the imperium. And I think the emperor wanted to honor that contribution somehow.
I like to imagine he names them that to remember her because she rightfully saw this as a way to subjugate humanity but she could never understand the danger the emperor had seen in the future and why he would plan to take control over all of humanity.
I like this
This gives an excellent plot point. I’m many video games and movies, the heroes or villains blow up labs and such because of their information, but what if the victims just backed up their research and plans?
You forget the emperor was the main scientist in this research, it would just take him slightly longer to it himself.
@@tarektechmarine8209 yeah, but I mean that in games, no one ever seems to back up their data or make copies on servers or anything secure. Or even give the plans to other scientists. Once you destroy the lab, the information is gone. This is primarily because of the difficulty. It’s not fun or interesting when you enemy is actually thorough. As a plot point, it’d be interesting to see in a game or story.
@@benjaminbesaw7540 That's the one thing that was always bugging me in Terminator 2. Not only that the lab was empty and poorly guarded, but that Cyberdyne Systems would not make a bazillion of backups of this world changing work and also just stored everything in one lab.
Bro, that opening scene from the astartes animation is so so beautiful. If anyone hasn't seen it, please do!
Definitely worth it!
Ah yes, these new writers hellbent on making the Emperor look like a idiot tyrant for no reason.
I don't remember where, but a nice snippet of lore said Big E kept the name to honour her work, as he understood her motives and kept no grudge.
In fact most of his allies (mostly the perpetuals) that abandoned him or betrayed him were left alone, since he held them in high regard still, and understood their reasons, even if he did not agree.
Weirdly, pre-great crusade emps seemed to be a pretty cool dude compared to him in the midst of the crusades, so I wonder, did the deal with the chaos gods change something in him?
Jimmy space. They were his space marines.
once you realize that Big E was rushing threw the crusade just to get a head start and started working on the webway , you realize he was basically preparing mankind for the eventual re-awakening of the necrons , chaos ,and the tyranids , now imagine if he actually kept all of his sons and finished the webway , the imperium wouldve had a better chance and probably would be much better and kinder for the common man , he had humanity's salvation from the start as his goal
Is this canon because I always heard that it was just the emperor that made the space marines and primarchs from knowledge he tricked the chaos gods into giving him.
GW canon usually just is retcon on retcon holding together a table which then gets sat on by whatever book just released
To me it's as canon, as the 5 chaos god or the half human half Eldar ultra marine.
@@venom0825 isn't it cannon there's like 100s of minor chaos gods as well as the big 4
@oppai-sama had help, shore. The project being completely someone else achievement (and some thing as significant as the space marines), nah. All gw has been doing little by little is diminish the emperor, he went form a mysterious almost God like being that build an empire with his own two hands, to some dip sh*t perpetual that just tricked other people to doing his job for him. If that's what you like, good for you, I on the other hand will just dump it along with all the other stupid thing to come out of the black library.
@@idiotgaming6376 officially malic is considered non Canon, un officially your guess is as good as mine.
Next GW will say she had a son called Johnny Bolter.
It's 100% for copy write lol
😂
@@SandmanofTerra copy write from who
@@onepangaean3018 They couldn't copyright the term 'Space Marines' so they came up with 'Adeptus Astartes' instead.
@@viron6734 good thing too, the world would be a truly awful place if the concept of marines in space could be copyrighted. Like that would suck hard.
Yea, not like Astartes wasn't a god or anything
The Emperor tyrannised humanity because he believed that only his singular vision could lead the species into a lasting Golden Age.
I like to think it was very much intentional, it was something the Emperor did to remind himself of the cost of the path that he has chosen for humanity to ensure survival.
The Emperor enabled version control on his S3 buckets
Honestly to me this is the only place where a big thing in Warhammer is named after someone makes sense. Cause as many as pointed out Big E is either taunting her or a way to remember her and I say both add more to his character. It also gives her a pretty unique name and what she did alot more rememberable.
I like to think he kept the name as a reminder to not get too attached to his creations, knowing he'd have to retire them the same way he retired the Thunder warriors.
I still can’t believe they went and made the Johnny Space meme real. Johnny Space inventor of the space marines. Astarte, inventor of the Astartes… instead of them just being named after a Greek(?) goddess of victory and war (plus a ton of other stuff) because the Emperor was a giant history nerd (having lived through most of it).
The Emperors lived long enough to realize the importance of back ups
The God Emperor a Tyrant? HERESY. BURN THE HERETICS
On it boss. First we gotta get rid of those fellas on mars who worship the emperor as a god for proposing such beliefs.
I like to think that the emperor never likes what he had to do, but cared so much about making sure the species endured that he was willing to become something he would hate... A god. The name was probably kept as both a remembrance, and a sort of "she doesn't know what she's doing, I know why she did it and it's just that she's out of her depth, no real harm was done so whether she likes it or not I will have her be remembered as helping save mankind" sort of thing.
Emperor?
Tyrant?
SOUNDS HERETICAL!
Delicious
Here comes the Inquisitor...
Nothing says you love “your” children like sending them into literal Hell so their father cannot make them the heirs of an empire living in the lap of luxury for eternity.
Or he simply admired her work and gave her a token of everlasting respect
One thing I always find pretty interesting is the fact that emperor seems to know the future cause of that one where some machancus tried to take over another failed other looked through others memory and it seemed like the emperor knew what would happen and knew this happened so one thing I think is pretty much being lead to is the emperor knows everything that will happen like tyzch the chaos god of time that knows future events and past but instead emperor can basically comprehend it and control it and entire story is just leading to where emperor will only waken specifically when he actually needs to do something his followers and military might cannot even the greatest of primarchs but who knows it certainly seems like the emperor knows all maybe even waits for specific times to make a champion specifically picked because they are probably only one that can take them on there own with out a primarch or the emperor himself
That reminds me to John Bolter, the creator of the Lasgun.
The emperor did love irony in the sense of humor. Naming it in spite if the creator who wished to destroy them is funny in its irony
Damn, I just thought they were called that because his name is Jimmy Space
The Emperor a Tyrant?
- may the Inquisition have a word with you?
I personally always liked to imagine the Emperor as more if a humanized doctor manhatten than an evil dictator personally. I think he really bielves that what he saw in his plan was the best possible way of helping humanity after the collapse. He never saw himself as a ruler others would want to oppose if they understoof his vision. A flaw all to human in this even pre warp buff extremely powerful being.
When urda, astrati and the other human perpetuals turned away, I don‘t think he kept the names in out of spite but rather because he was almost a strange sort of sad they didn‘t see it after all. He let urda go for example. Just like that. Even said something of the sort. She couldn‘t be allowed to destroy man kind best chance of course so she was banned but he could have made an example out of her.
After his stepping through that portal shortly before the great crusade ended and horus became warmaster, he seems to have lost more of his touch to his more human side and more and more became a sort of ruler incarnate not in his way of presenting himself, that was that way before too, but in the types and reasons of descisions he made. I like to imagine he sort of got even more in touch with the warp side of his existence and that made him more of a „god of Leadership“ enitity and the man that had shared the existence before was mire and more in the background. Might also be what the very very different voices guiliman heard when talking to hin in M41 were meant to represent. The distinct entities of the emperor that and warp enities he sought to usw for his webway project under terra.
Just my headcanon tho. And still not a good man btw just saying there is a difference between evil dictaor and man that can‘t ever truely understand the people he really believes he is saving rn.
rip best INDEPENDENT animator in 40k history
ill never forgive gw.
ever.
Oh my god. I didn't realise Jimmy Space was the actual story.
Ahhh the “new” origin of the astartes.
Not what I remember from the older codexes.
Thy emperor says thine truth and not a thingeth else
The reason? All of the above.
yes and the land raider is definitely not called as such because it raids over the land
Did you know the Cawl Pattern Mark II boltgun was named after Ronald Cawl Pattern Mark II boltgun
It's interesting to think how much of the lore could simply be not true because the Emperor could hide the existence of chaos. A scientist never thought they hit the save button? and then he keep the name after the betrayal? Seems like there's a little more than meets the eye. Maybe he kept the name out of respect, or maybe even out of solidarity for a fallen hero.
Love how the emperor is literally god and how everything he does is far humanity, even the cruelest aspects of experimenting to make humanity stronger, though its abominable it also is necessary and because it worked he was even more venerated for it and feared with a healthy does if reverence
Further fun fact! Astarte is the name of an Ugaritic goddess
Emperor: Silly Doctor *pulls out Sushi (🍣)* this isnt a real Sushi! ITS A USB DRIVE!!! *evil Tyrannical laugh*
Let's be honest, the biggest War in 40k will happen when the Emperor wakes up, and no, it's not what you are thinking.
Big E vs Trazyn. Troll Lord of the Materium title fight.
Well he was a tyrant and the other perpetuals saw him as such that is why they left, I read a theory that one of the surviving perpetuals helped form the Votan as a sort of a counter to the imperium so that humanity may survive and thrive in some form or they are the men of stone both ways the theory could work.
When you see how the galaxy is fk up with the tyranids, necrons and chaos I wonder if we can really call the emperor a tyrant
I honestly thought for years that adeptus asartes was like high gothic for star warriors until they made this canon
His intrusive thoughts won
I kinda didn't noticed. When did GW switched from: "Emperor is an effective ruler" to "Emperor is just an asshole and there is pretty much nothing interesting about him"?
i think big e kept the name out of respect i mean its her project after all that one day kinda protect man kind
Idk why but when I looked it up it said that Adeptus Astartes meant: "Those who conquer the stars."
The lack of a name change is due to the mountains of paperwork that would create
God damn the Emperor's loath of bureaucracy
Given how convoluted and often Warhammer lore changes. Wouldn't be surprised if they change it so that she was trying to save her work and died. But who knows
And here’s me that started with the game back in the rogue trader days that thought Adeptus Astartes was just Latin for, those who conquer the stars. Glad a book from a couple of years ago let me know it was really someone’s last name.🙄
“And totally not for trademark, we promise.”
"Greater than even the Selenar"
*me who doesn't know who that is* "whoa"
😂
I thought you were gonna talk about that one virus that Constantine is getting from that one biomancer in the Siege of terra series.
God I don't enjoy that storyline. So boring imo
@@SandmanofTerra what about the two perpetuals trynna sneak into the palace to talk to big e with the real alpharius in tow
@@Happyface714 I have some time for John grammaticus and Oli the Warmaster, but goddamn is this book gonna be packed. Would've been more excited if Erda was still around tbh
The Emperor may be a tyrant but he was and remains mankinds only hope
Well said citizen
@@SandmanofTerra And tbf, he was a better leader than any we currently have irl
And here I am still thinking the emperor named them after the phoenician godess of fertility and war: Astarte.
I think astartes is enough of a weird name that they can get away with it.
Unlike ARKHAN LAND!
Astarte: I'm going to destroy everything because of how the Space Marines and the Emperor will turn out!
*The Space Marines and the Emperor all turned out the way they are, in large part because of her*
Ohh the hubris of man.
How about out of respect for an ally turned enemy
Could have been out of respect, whether she wanted to succeed alongside him or not, she did, it's her legacy.
The real reason is because the Hastardes were the professional veteran soldiers of a particular period of Rome, separate from the Auxilia who were recruited from the conquered nations.
Bit like space marines and imperial guard.
She was a dork, Angron would not have had nails in his head.
knowing the emperor I'd say out of spite
All Hail the Emperor
The emporer protects
CURSES! Foiled again by The Emperor's OneDrive backups
One person's tyrant is another person's savior!
i just kinda like the Name
Fair
No. Actually there was no ridiculous Mary Sue retcon for feminism. “Astartes” is simply the High Gothic, pseudo-Latin word for “Star”. The Legionnes Astartes means “Star Legions”. There is a reason the fandom almost universally rejects her existence to such a degree that Games Workshop and the writers of Black Library have basically changed to writing as if she never existed. Because she didn’t.