We have run this tire extensively. Hard to beat, especially for the money. I get 1000 miles or so of service riding mostly slower technical terrain. Faster and heavier riders mange to crack and tear the side knobs, especially in the rocks. Some complain that it wants to climb up out of the ruts. As mentioned the taller profile really increases rider comfort and rim protection at the cost of steering precision. The Goldentyre GT 216 AA looks almost identical, but is quite different. It costs twice as much, but lasts twice as long and is considerably lighter. A better choice if you don’t like changing tires much like me. The side knobs don’t rip off on the GT 216 AA. Either tire is a favorite here in the slippery and wet Pacific Northwest USA.
A great tire, especially in the rocky rooty terrain we ride here in north eastern Ontario Canada. Instantly noticeable how much better it absorbs the rough terrain. I put one on both my WR 450 and my Beta 300RR after watching your review and recommended it to all my enduro friends. Thanks for the review!
I've put about 100 hours on one. Southern California single track desert terrain, loose rock and sand. Occasionally higher desert speeds with a lot of G-outs. Other terrain is in Idaho mountain areas, loose rock, hard trail pack and roots. I use a mousse for both. I love this tire. Absorbs shock sooooo well. Grip is top drawer. Cuts through sand like butter. As far as poor turning, I've never noticed a problem and have never thought 'man I wish I could turn better.' lol And the wear is shocking. It just keeps going and going without much wear at all. I'm very pleased.
I started using this about February of this year based on your previous look at it. I’m using with a soft mousse. It grips great when you are on oddly angled surfaces. Especially wet stuff.
Just posted a video reviewing this tire; but I got about 60 hours out of mine and it's definitely done. Like someone else mentioned the side knobs started tearing off. Held up better than the standard 216mx by a lot but I'm trying the goldentyre now. Very different animals, first impression is I miss the cheater!
I've run this tire for a year, great desert and MT single track riding ( not racing). I've loved it. Not amazing on pavement high speed 65+. But 50 mph on connection gravel road smooth and controllable. Single track grips and tracks. Not much mud but this spring it did great in crossing snow banks. Totally agree with Tokyo off-road.
The Shinko 216MX Cheater Fatty front tire is a great tire in sandy dune desert terrain here in Australia and in Dubai, tracks and grips well, the extra footprint is very good in soft sand helps lift the front to surf the sand better, its my go to tire for sand and big dunes
90/100 weighs 1.4kgs more than a 90/90 golden tire which is the same except for the taller profile, these tires are good for straight line stuff but as outlined it you turn alot they are have a heavy feel and not the best
One of my all time favs. Thought I'd try the Tusk version of it this time around. Unfortunately it's catching on the right fork guard. Rim is running true and tire is seated properly. Kind bummed, I have other buddies that are running it with no problems.
The sidewall of the Shinko 216MX Cheater Fatty is relatively stiff. It is not soft and does not roll at the 11psi I use for off-road riding. It's still my favorite front tire and last well too. Certainly recommend trying one...
I've got the GoldenTyre Fatty, looks almost identical. With that tyre you've got to concentrate a bit more in ruts otherwise the tyre seems to grab the rut-sides easily. It seems to wash a bit easier in quick turns too. In every other terrain it feel good. I assume the Shinko would be the same? Thanks.
The regular Shinko 216MX Fatty is very similar to the GoldenTyre Fatty. The Cheater version of the 216MX uses a much softer rubber compound resulting in much better grip on rocks and roots. Most of my riding is mountain woodland and there are very few ruts. The ruts I do ride I haven't experienced any issues, but I have heard the same concern from other people regarding the Fatty wanting to climb out of ruts, so probably not a good choice if you do ride a lot of ruts...
@@TokyoOffroad Great Review! You ever use the Fatty Tires agility to climb out of ruts to your advantage? I am starting to realize how well it climbs out and use it to leave ruts half way in to pick another line or at least climb out right before a nasty undercut root or rock. I have been running the GoldenTyre Fatty but just got this tire to try and looking forward to it.
Love the channel and am subscribed. Have this tire and am anxious to try. Quick question, I know you run Tubliss in the rear. Do you run tubes rather than Tubliss in the front due to reliability concerns? Also do you run the 3mm or 4mm tubes up front? Thanks!
I’m sure you’ll love the tire. Most of my front wheels now are running Bridgestone heavy tubes (not super heavy). I’ve gone away from using Tubliss in the front as they don’t offer any significant advantages and is a PITA if the high pressure tube, or cover fails. I still love Tubliss in the rear tire though as it allows me to run very low tire pressure safely.
@@TokyoOffroad Thanks for the insight! I've been running tubliss up front and just had my first high pressure bladder failure. I might be going back to tubes myself up front eventually. I've had no issues in the rear with tubliss and am not willing to give up the benefits of it. Thanks again.
I would stay away if you ride any rocky terrain, or go hard. Knobs for me started chunking off after maybe 20hrs. Wear is good, but the chunking makes it rubbish
The Shinko 216 Fatty Cheater doesn't chunk on the terrain I ride (a lot of loamy dirt, some rocks and hardpack). Most of my riding tends to be lower speed technical. I'm still very happy with this tire and don't use anything else. They last me about 50H of riding and I replace them when the side knobs eventually start to tear. I find they last and grip much better than the regular compound 216MX Fatty.
LOL, he's 12 now so enjoys chillin... The tire is OK on the road so long as you take it easy. I use soft gummy rear tires too so I take it slow and easy whenever there is a road section. If you tried riding fast and more aggressively on the road it would be very vague and probably wear quickly. Certainly not a good choice if your riding includes a lot of road riding, but a small amount of road riding is fine...
@@TokyoOffroad My go to kenda 760 has been on back order for months now. I broke down and tried a tusk dsport but the front was God awful. Thanks for the review and the heads up the 216 may be too soft for what I do it seems.
This tire is NO GOOD for me here in Colorado. It was chunking after one ride in rocks. It wants to wash in the corners too because there’s not enough pressure per square inch on the ground. This tire is NOT confidence inspiring at all. I think this works for Tokyo because they don’t have the crazy sharp granite like we do.
Yes, the rocks in most of the places I ride in Japan tend to be smooth and slippery rather than sharp. It's interesting to hear about other people's riding terrain and what works (or doesn't) for them...
We have run this tire extensively. Hard to beat, especially for the money. I get 1000 miles or so of service riding mostly slower technical terrain. Faster and heavier riders mange to crack and tear the side knobs, especially in the rocks. Some complain that it wants to climb up out of the ruts. As mentioned the taller profile really increases rider comfort and rim protection at the cost of steering precision. The Goldentyre GT 216 AA looks almost identical, but is quite different. It costs twice as much, but lasts twice as long and is considerably lighter. A better choice if you don’t like changing tires much like me. The side knobs don’t rip off on the GT 216 AA. Either tire is a favorite here in the slippery and wet Pacific Northwest USA.
The GT Fatty is only 1 lb. lighter than the Shinko Fatty Cheater. 9.8 vs 10.8 lbs. Locally the GT Fatty is $99 and the Shinko Fatty Cheater is $79.
A great tire, especially in the rocky rooty terrain we ride here in north eastern Ontario Canada. Instantly noticeable how much better it absorbs the rough terrain. I put one on both my WR 450 and my Beta 300RR after watching your review and recommended it to all my enduro friends. Thanks for the review!
I've put about 100 hours on one. Southern California single track desert terrain, loose rock and sand. Occasionally higher desert speeds with a lot of G-outs. Other terrain is in Idaho mountain areas, loose rock, hard trail pack and roots. I use a mousse for both. I love this tire. Absorbs shock sooooo well. Grip is top drawer. Cuts through sand like butter. As far as poor turning, I've never noticed a problem and have never thought 'man I wish I could turn better.' lol And the wear is shocking. It just keeps going and going without much wear at all. I'm very pleased.
Thanks for the review. I was always dubious about a gummy front but will now give it a go. Currently on the non gummy 216. Cheers again.
Yes, definitely worth trying the Cheater version. It certainly surprised me (in a good way). It's my favorite front tire for off-road now...
I started using this about February of this year based on your previous look at it. I’m using with a soft mousse. It grips great when you are on oddly angled surfaces. Especially wet stuff.
Just posted a video reviewing this tire; but I got about 60 hours out of mine and it's definitely done. Like someone else mentioned the side knobs started tearing off. Held up better than the standard 216mx by a lot but I'm trying the goldentyre now. Very different animals, first impression is I miss the cheater!
I've run this tire for a year, great desert and MT single track riding ( not racing). I've loved it. Not amazing on pavement high speed 65+. But 50 mph on connection gravel road smooth and controllable. Single track grips and tracks. Not much mud but this spring it did great in crossing snow banks. Totally agree with Tokyo off-road.
The Shinko 216MX Cheater Fatty front tire is a great tire in sandy dune desert terrain here in Australia and in Dubai, tracks and grips well, the extra footprint is very good in soft sand helps lift the front to surf the sand better, its my go to tire for sand and big dunes
I LOVE the dog!
I have this and 525 cheater, so far awsome combo on my 2020 tpi
90/100 weighs 1.4kgs more than a 90/90 golden tire which is the same except for the taller profile, these tires are good for straight line stuff but as outlined it you turn alot they are have a heavy feel and not the best
One of my all time favs. Thought I'd try the Tusk version of it this time around. Unfortunately it's catching on the right fork guard. Rim is running true and tire is seated properly. Kind bummed, I have other buddies that are running it with no problems.
cheers for the information
How does the sidewall hold up? is it really soft or is it stiffer? Nice job on all the videos, been a big help!
The sidewall of the Shinko 216MX Cheater Fatty is relatively stiff. It is not soft and does not roll at the 11psi I use for off-road riding. It's still my favorite front tire and last well too. Certainly recommend trying one...
I find when it gets rutty the tire likes to climb. Other than that great tires.
I've got the GoldenTyre Fatty, looks almost identical. With that tyre you've got to concentrate a bit more in ruts otherwise the tyre seems to grab the rut-sides easily. It seems to wash a bit easier in quick turns too. In every other terrain it feel good. I assume the Shinko would be the same? Thanks.
The regular Shinko 216MX Fatty is very similar to the GoldenTyre Fatty. The Cheater version of the 216MX uses a much softer rubber compound resulting in much better grip on rocks and roots. Most of my riding is mountain woodland and there are very few ruts. The ruts I do ride I haven't experienced any issues, but I have heard the same concern from other people regarding the Fatty wanting to climb out of ruts, so probably not a good choice if you do ride a lot of ruts...
@@TokyoOffroad Great Review! You ever use the Fatty Tires agility to climb out of ruts to your advantage? I am starting to realize how well it climbs out and use it to leave ruts half way in to pick another line or at least climb out right before a nasty undercut root or rock. I have been running the GoldenTyre Fatty but just got this tire to try and looking forward to it.
Love the channel and am subscribed. Have this tire and am anxious to try. Quick question, I know you run Tubliss in the rear. Do you run tubes rather than Tubliss in the front due to reliability concerns? Also do you run the 3mm or 4mm tubes up front? Thanks!
I’m sure you’ll love the tire. Most of my front wheels now are running Bridgestone heavy tubes (not super heavy). I’ve gone away from using Tubliss in the front as they don’t offer any significant advantages and is a PITA if the high pressure tube, or cover fails. I still love Tubliss in the rear tire though as it allows me to run very low tire pressure safely.
@@TokyoOffroad Thanks for the insight! I've been running tubliss up front and just had my first high pressure bladder failure. I might be going back to tubes myself up front eventually. I've had no issues in the rear with tubliss and am not willing to give up the benefits of it. Thanks again.
@@chriswesterhoff4915 - My experience and thoughts are the same as you...
Where did you get your fork graphics? Nice!!!
The lower fork guards are KTM OEM plastics with a Decal Works graphic kit.
The upper guards (black) are Dingo Racing
I would stay away if you ride any rocky terrain, or go hard. Knobs for me started chunking off after maybe 20hrs. Wear is good, but the chunking makes it rubbish
The Shinko 216 Fatty Cheater doesn't chunk on the terrain I ride (a lot of loamy dirt, some rocks and hardpack). Most of my riding tends to be lower speed technical. I'm still very happy with this tire and don't use anything else. They last me about 50H of riding and I replace them when the side knobs eventually start to tear. I find they last and grip much better than the regular compound 216MX Fatty.
Cool pupper just chillin, how does it handle the road? The tire not the doggo
LOL, he's 12 now so enjoys chillin... The tire is OK on the road so long as you take it easy. I use soft gummy rear tires too so I take it slow and easy whenever there is a road section. If you tried riding fast and more aggressively on the road it would be very vague and probably wear quickly. Certainly not a good choice if your riding includes a lot of road riding, but a small amount of road riding is fine...
@@TokyoOffroad My go to kenda 760 has been on back order for months now. I broke down and tried a tusk dsport but the front was God awful. Thanks for the review and the heads up the 216 may be too soft for what I do it seems.
Nice dog. Irish Setter?
I thought the cheater version is the 216SX?
The Shinko 216SX is a soft compound rear tire. To my knowledge no 216SX front tire was ever made.
This tire is NO GOOD for me here in Colorado. It was chunking after one ride in rocks. It wants to wash in the corners too because there’s not enough pressure per square inch on the ground. This tire is NOT confidence inspiring at all. I think this works for Tokyo because they don’t have the crazy sharp granite like we do.
Yes, the rocks in most of the places I ride in Japan tend to be smooth and slippery rather than sharp. It's interesting to hear about other people's riding terrain and what works (or doesn't) for them...