Is CHEATING IN POKER About To Change FOREVER?
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- The Poker Integrity Council has been put together to battle cheating in poker. Is this going to be a huge positive for online poker in the future? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below.
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What do you think of the action being taken by professionals and sites to combat this? Is it enough? What would you like to see done?
name & shame
imho as long as there is technology to support this, it will always happen no matter what. just as there is never a shortage of criminals in jails.
@@leethommy7824 agreed
I think the allowance of a hud originally should of never happen. I feel like it blurs the line between cheating and not. With that said I def don't want to lose mine but feel online should try to mirror live as much as possible. The less time bank comment would be a good start as well
What is actually a good poker site without bots etc…..???
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I think having a universal ruleset would be good. Using preflop charts isn't considering cheating on some sites, but is on others so having consistency across the board would help. Also, I wish Stars, partypoker, etc. would get on board with GG because then a player loses the option to play poker at all if they are caught cheating. Losing GG and all those live stops would suck, but they still have other large sites to play and cheat on.
I actually 100% agree with this. Universal rule sets/terms of engagement and removal of gray areas makes the unethical behavior black and white and then we can move forward from there. I also agree that having all the poker sites on board would be great when it comes to protecting the games and removing bad actors. On the other hand it's discomforting to turn that much power over to a third party as a professional player... But I genuinely think it's the best of the two options (more rampant cheating vs a more powerful centralized body).
online poker is hard enough I can't accept cheating
Hi Jordan
Why PIC only want to "protect" high stakes?
I know, obviously that's where the most money is. I understand.
But, what mid stakes or lower?
Don't you think that as soon as PIC starts to operate all the cheaters going to end up at lower stakes before they got caught??
The plan is to add more people to the council over time. If it's successful in what it's trying to do it's scope will likely expand.
I don't know that a council should have the power to freeze funds. It's going to take one false positive to have some very interesting lawsuits.
Do you have a opinion on ACR for US players as far as game integrity? Do your staked players play on there?
honest advice from me, just stay away from ACR. they warned me about this unregulated site off costa rica but I also didnt listen. I learned the hard way and through my own stats playing there. good luck whatever you choose to do.
I don't have a strong opinion really but apestyles plays there a lot and hasn't mentioned anything negative.
ya love to see this. apparently they reinstated bryn kenney which was weird.. still though, like jordan said these guys are just trying to make sure there is an opportunity for future players to come up. long live poker!
They should create software where platforms join other platforms. Have each individual site or platform such as Stars, GG, ACR WSOP etc…but when you join certain MTTs you pay the rake to whatever site you join on…but the tournament merges and everyone is able to play in massive tournaments together.
And finally implement shot clocks at the live MTTs. Along with tables that read your chip count, position, & clock. Also hopefully in the future we can establish ELOs in a way where we can calculate what capacity you are playing at, which also helps identify accounts that are cheating.
This is great for high stakes players, but if upward mobility is destroyed by low-midstakes cheating, this will still ruin the game.
I really like that it's being battled, it's just gut wrenching knowing you studied for years and people get an edgr by cheating. I think the consequences should be bigger for players getting caught and naming and shaming should also be a thing.
Besides that any form of HUD is also straight up cheating imo, but that is a grey area.
can only dream of online poker without cheating
You're gradually morphing into Chester Bennington
Lol I think that's in relation to my ears? I have magnets in from rolling BJJ and draining cauliflower ear to keep pressure on after extracting the serous fluid/blood.
@@BBZPoker It's definitely not a criticism! 👂👍
For online poker to grow, poker influencers and well-known players need to recognize that HUDs are a form of RTA and should be considered a form of cheating. If you want to know other players' VPIPs for example, pay attention. Having a computer track and report that info for 100+ opponents on 14 tables is unambiguously cheating.
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This! I fully agree here. Get rid of any sort of "assistant software" and let the players PLAY poker. ;)
It sure is. Makes me sick to my stomach to see these "online-pros" use all kinds of software during game play. It's just because half of the population have some sort of diagnosis so they can't focus. I guarantee i would annihilate any one of these "pros" or streamers on NLHE HU 400 or PLO. Just hit me up.
im pretty sure players cheat on Bovada
100%, just as on the majority of online sites. just sharkscope some names playing and you will see some insane win-rates. As if the dozens of players suddenly became daniel negreanu! will admit though some bots have gotten savy and graphs and wins dont always tell the full story. sad time to be playing online poker. my advice to new players, stay away while you are ahead.
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the biggest problem with online poker is that is impossible for computers to generate random card dealing..the result is having set up after set up and going against all mathematical odds that supposedly aplly in live games..there are at least 10 ways you can prove the non random outcome..so since you are investing all this time and money in gathering stats and creating tables you should have a more serious discussion with the engineers developing these softwares if there is a way to make it more fair...i can give you like 5 examples where the algorithm has serious issues especially in GG
Why would a site not entertain a completly random algorithm the profit is generated through rake not bias outcomes. The only reason I see is to make a tournament end earlier by making big stacks win more all in than a smaller stack. But even then, why would a site like GG risk their profit generating machine by doing this, doesn't make any sense tbh.
What if the REAL cheating is that sites are running their own bots in tournaments so they can run overlays (which always gets players excited) but the site ensures one or two of their bots makes the FT to scrape back enough of the prize pool to cover those overlays? This is what I suspect is happening, of course since we can't examine the computer software of the sites, we'll never know what they're really doing to us.
@@alexandrebedard3317 GREED my friend, pure GREED and the fact that a good amount of people havent caught on to the scam. eventually when everything drys out, they might entertain the idea of having a completely random algorithm (for a bit) before they turn on the GREED generator again :)
@@jimmyj3020 anyones who thinks GG or stars is “random” must be either completely deluded or rocking in a chair uncontrollably😂
@@alexandrebedard3317 as i stated in my first comment its impossible for a computer to make desicions randomly..its one of the famous unsolved problems in computer engineering..look it up if you want..set ups help increase busts outs thus increase the rebuys so increase the profit and rake..
If you want to see blatant cheating, try ACR. You will constantly be ahead pre-flop (65%-80+% win) then miracle runners pop-up so you either flush-out or the other person hits trips or nails 2-outers on the river (all while you give your opponent bad odds to call, but still they risk their whole stack!) Yes, I know this happens in poker (been playing over 20 years) but the stats dont line up on how consistantly that happens and more importantly how rarely you EVER win that way in ACR.
You Sir, are missing the point.
@@CFunk33 Its okay, but just curious, do you always give your OWN post a thumbs-up?
@@jimmyj3020 I don't do that, no.
@@CFunk33 literally when you sent the post, it came with a thumbs up that very second. cool story though...👍
@@jimmyj3020 You're the kind of guy that believes online poker is rigged, and that somehow, the room you play on benefits from another player going runner runner on you. So yeah, you're right, I liked my own post.