OK a quick note on socialism and what it is and isn’t. Socialism is a very broad term covering a lot of different kinds of thinking and which emerged in the 1830s as an idea to transfer wealth from the rich to the poor. In Marx and Engels you'll see that described as the Factors of Production, because they felt it should include things like privilege as well as material stuff like buildings and, critically for Marx, capital. However Marx is an extreme outlier because he believed revolution and Historical Determinism e.g. look at the past and divine the future, revolution and the emergence of a capital-free workers paradise...which is pretty batshit insane and far beyond what most modern socialists would advocate for. One can reasonably measure a society by how well it looks after its weakest and most vulnerable members, and if not then we still need a lot of stuff from the state to survive e.g. roads, education, defence etc - otherwise the state ceases to be. This is likely to include the use of taxation of rich people and giving to poor people. Therefore *all* states have some element of socialism within them and that is a wholly good thing, it only becomes a problem when combined with authoritarianism. The coercion required for the removal of ambition that Marx saw was what led to the Soviet and Chinese systems. However coercion is used by all Right wing states too - not least the whole of the feudal system in Europe and Asia, all monarchies, significant chunks of South America between 1900-2000 and, of course, by the Thin Blue Line brigade when they want you to not be able to protest or get an abortion. All states contain this too, and their monopoly on violence defines a state. Again, if it goes toofar, and shuts down democratic processes that’s when it becomes a problem.
In this explanation you compare the modern interpretation of socialism in the West with the events of 1920 to 1940 and conclude that the NASDP were lying about their stated belief in socialism. This is an ahistorical turn. Should we compare the liberals 0f 1848 with the 21st century interpretation of what that word means, and state that these people were not really liberals?
@@agriphalalbion115 there's a 1923 interview with Hitler in which he states that he's redefining 'socialism' to "take it away from the Socialists" and turn it into nationalism - you _can_ compare two meanings of a word at different periods, or the same period, when one meaning has been explicitly changed in a well-defined way.
@williamchamberlain2263 Sure, Hitler said that. He also consistently called himself a socialist and that the party has "privatised" the national economy by installing party officials in corporations and removing uncooperative directors. I think he really believed what he was saying. It's a different debate as to how close he was with his words to reality. I my opinion, not even in sight of reality.
A quick note to everything you've said sir (solid explanation btw, everything is spot on and I agree with the point you've made). Marx himself wrote in various letters to Engels in 1884, and in the manifesto itself, that democracy was a vital part to achieving their goals: in an authoritarian state workers wouldn't have the means to organize or protest, to reach the tipping point for the big revolution to happen. Marx also believed that some countries (the UK, the US and some others I'm forgetting), could perhaps reach socialism by virtue of voting and a peaceful transition of sorts, but unfortunately his insane ideas about historical determinism and the big revolution were the main way to reach his goal. Still, thank you for the video milord, there's lots to like and it's unfortunate that such interesting (and also kinda horrifying due to the whole slavery and g****ide bit) stories have to be buried under modern political bile. (I also apologize for any butchering of the english language I've done sir, I am not from the mainland, nor one of the colonies, and I'm sure I've written an unrecognizable mess). As a final aside, as a left leaning person myself, I strongly believe that we should start distancing ourselves (left-wing people) from the guy. Not that he didn't have good ideas, he certainly did have some, but the man lived in the mid-1800s. We shouldn't be clinging ourselves to the past so much, spouting theories and concepts from a bygone age. We can all see what unfettered capitalism has brought to the table, and what greedy corporations and investors can do to society and to the common working man. Why not start from there?
When lord Hardthrasher said that I could remember his surname but not his first name. For some reason I was thinking of Phil Collins who I’m pretty sure didn’t go to the moon. 😂
@Iden_in_the_Rain Russians did similar stuff, end of ww2 was a race to get as many scientists and researchers as possible. I imagine we still would have made it to the moon but likely would have taken a lot longer and at greater cost, lives very much included. That's not including missile weapon technology
Well people still run around waving hammer-and-sickle flags around in the West, despite, you know, everything. People line up behind bloodthirsty ideologies and people in the belief that they're putting stock in something good all the time. Nothing shocking about it, really.
If I had spent my youth in some mud filld trench in France my young adulthood unemployed in Weimar and my adulthood facing even more unemployment in the Great Depression, I could see the appeal. Keep in mind that the Depression had been raging for 2 years and the establishment had come up with exactly zero to counteract it, if anything the common wisdom was that they had to do nothing. In that backdrop the simplistic appeals of demagogues can resonate
A lot of people don’t realize that there was actually not a negligible amount of support for a dictator in many western countries. There was in particular in America many different schools of thought regarding what kind of system should replace what they believed to be the defunct one that had caused the depression. But we were able to gradually recover and get past that. Because the treaty of Versailles hit Germany hard already the stock market crash hit them even harder, thus the appeal for some fiery speaker who claimed they would fix everything seemed ever greater. It was kind of the perfect storm of events in Germany at the time that allowed Hitler to rise. But I think here in the west we were a bit closer than we realize to a similar fate.
"If you slow him down, he's actually dancing the Macarena" well there goes my coffee out my nose and the rest of my evening trying to edit a historical video with the Macarena as back track
Gather round while I sing you of Wehrner von Braun. A man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience. Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown. "Nazi, schmazi." says Werhner von Braun.
And... wow. It's his 96th birthday. Well, where I am, it was yesterday, but since he's in California, it's still his birthday for another hour and a half.
This story kinda underlines how the biggest enemy of a nazi is another nazi. And this is true for all dictatorships. For example, the biggest concern of the Soviet Union was to monitor (i.e. spy on) its own allies and communist organisations in other countries in order to 'weed out any internal enemies'. Thus, dictatorships are stupendously inefficient as they end up needing to support oversized internal security services and manage and pay a huge network of informants. What is worse, every citizen's career becomes dependent on if they denounce or inform on the right people at the right time - and so, cooperation ceases both on the societal and personal level. Every small decision becomes a backstabbing power struggle, where party apparatchiks try to outplay the outsiders and each other, micromanaging every aspect of every decision. Basically the country stops working. This is how the Soviet Union ended up with all those empty shelves and crappy cars - and this is where the Nazi regime would have ended up, if they were to survive WWII.
@@jorenvanderark3567It starts with verbal and written shit (Far Right or Far Left authoritarianism, etc) but the extremist brain virus spreads to the media, institutions, companies, and state, and then.... Agree that Nazi Germany, if it was a victor against Soviet Russia, would within 30 to 50 years implode from inside like the RL Soviets did, with unworkable policies, day to day mismanagement, lack of compassion to human life inflicting a deep societal toll, and purity spiriling, etc.
Also there is the paradox of authoritarian or totalitarian states to have duplicate branches of the state (also different branches of the armed & security forces) to squabble and scheme against each other, led by petty tyrants (a good fictional example of war losing spats like that is between Krennic and Tarkin or Hux and Ben in Disney Star Wars).
Yep sadly it's allready happening in many places from Canada debanking and giving government the right to change and delete post made online Here we have the "peaceful protest" that set fires and attack police Also the pro palli human torch and other acts of "extreme disobedience" are just more examples of history repeating those old ways
It's important to remember that fascism is hard to define chiefly because it's more a political cheat code, the quickest path to power. Fascists often personally believe in nonsense but fundamentally they believe in winning, that the strong winners must shape society and thus will do whatever they can, however they can to win. They think winning makes you right when winning just ensures you're in charge when the ship hits the iceberg you fought to steer towards (it sounded like a good idea at the time to the passengers who don't know how ships work). Any political party that focuses on winning over any other consideration becomes like fascists be default, blaming everything on an outgroup is easy votes, gaming the political system and backstabbing gets support from capital, all of it works to get you in charge but destroys functioning systems to do it. You win but the state becomes a looted hulk bouyed purely by combative hatred of a vague pike of "bad things" and "bad guys" who can't meaningfully be countered because they include the whole rest of human life on earth, or at least everyone who's not a heroic ubermench, meaning even the glorious leader falls outside the definition. Fascists are dangerous because they win, and then they have to keep winning forever or their entire ideology crumbles and eats itself. The nazis could never win because they'd have to defeat everyone on earth, at which point they'd start killing each other to explain why their society still sucks to live in.
Thank you for illustrating just how crazy Nazi internal politics were. I also really appriciate your connections to modern politics. The Chinazone series remains one of my favourite CZcams Projects and I hope that you will continue to make videos connecting history and modern culture/politics. Your pronounciation of german words is all over the place , but I'm pretty sure my thick German Accent has given American WW2 Vets PTSD induced heart attacks before, so who am I to judge
It blows my mind that we know all this, have it written down to study and learn from and yet, it's happening again. Amazing Thanks for your perfect delivery, cheers mate.
Watched History of Everything’s latest video. Saw your segment there and was rather impressed. Followed the link to this channel. Promptly lost two hours of my day in the blink of an eye watching your four part video on the Battle of Britain. I think I’ll be sticking around for a bit.
All that talk of Von Braun's crimes, and not a single mention of Tom Lehrur's song about him? Very sad. One of the funniest songs ever written, I think.
The problem I have with Ernst Röhm is that I first read about him many years after I'd watched the 'Pink Panther' films and I can't help but pronounce his surname like Inspector Clouseau. Also, he was a twat.
re German pronunciation; if it's any consolation I'm dual British/German, I've lived in Germany all my adult life, some 20 years now, and my German pronunciation is still somewhere between "sehr schlecht" and "Are you American?".
Absolutely brilliant content and humour delivered as I like my martinis…… very dry. Thank you for what you do to bring these fantastic productions to us.
The trouble with landed gentry content creators, these days, is they just dont work their servants hard enough to create more frequent content. Dont spare the rod.
Laughing at nazis of the past while sending money to people combatting nazis of the present, some Picon and beer. This Tuesday evening is off to a great start.
@@AirWolfAT6Given that Putin’s justification for invading Ukraine is identical to those given by Hitler regards Czechia and Austria. Given that Putin’s government has passed laws against ethnic minorities and the LGBTQ community. Idolises hyper conservative institutions like the Orthodox Patriarchy all while propagating Russian Revanchism. Given that Putin’s army has at least 20 different ultranationalist organisations integrated into its armed forces. Several of which are explicitly Neo-Nazi groups such as Ruisch and the Remnants of Wagner. Yeah… Putin and his bunch are Fascists/Nazis.
I enjoy and appreciate your productions. You sometimes talk faster than I can listen, so I back up and re-run a lot of it, but I realize that you have an enormous amount of information to convey, so you have to go at a good clip. Anyway, once again, well done.
Thinks he's the smartest in every room, enjoys playing with rockets, dodgy political philosophy, utter Charlie Uniform ... Aren't we fortunate to live in an era where such people no longer exist.
@@bificommander7472you joke but I have heard about electric cars in the late 1800s early 1900s. Unfortunately I don't have a reliable source for that.
Damn my lord, I was just about to settle down for an early night, and up popped your vid. Excellent case study in the workings of the Nazi - or any other authoritarian - regime. Also, a shout out to all the German industrialists and financiers of the time who thought Hitler was such a good idea: "Don't worry, he may be a raving monster, but we can control him, can't we?" The warnings for today are well placed.
I am so sick of people calling the Nazi's "left wing". If you Listen to Conservatives no right winger in history ever did anything bad lol. Came for the rocket plane, stayed for the history.
For the same reason an old, fat, narcissistic perverted windbag with way to much artificial sun-browner got to be POTUS. To many people were to obsessed by their anger to be thinking clearly, and to voted for a conman who told them the fairytales they wanted to hear instead of difficult and complicated facts
I am quite sad the video was so short. In other news, a genie visited me last week and with all three wishes I wished for more LordHardThrasher videos.
Hard thrasher vs TIK history would be interesting. Not because tik is mid century german enthusiast, but because he dived into the well of insanity and tried his best to understand their insanity and brought to us decent understanding of how they came to thoose ideas.
Branching out into current affairs cautionary tales now, m’lud? Fascinating vid on so many different levels. Also a reminder never to regard all those trying to end your way of life as just evil - they can also be super, super clever evil, maybe even smarter than yourself. Not at all an absolutely fucking scary thought.
14:20 I was just thinking what your lordship is saying during the voiceover of this 1935 film would perfectly describe another “leader” of a far-right movement, and here we have it as your fade transition is now saying what I was thinking.
could you maybe show the names of german organisations or people on the screen when saying them? as funny as your pronounciation is, i fail to understand many of the names also the thing you described as socialism is social-democracy. Socialism is not about taxes but about the ownership of the means of production
@@AnimarchyHistoryhehe thenks :3 some of the comments (especially the person talking about how islam is a socialist threat for some reason) genuinly scare me for lack of factuality
yeah as a non-native english speaker who doesn't know german it gets hard to follow hardthrasher when he starts saying names. Also wow, another person who knows a little bit about Socialism instead of just...vomiting stuff they heard on another video/comment or the TV.
Al Stewart wrote two absolutely fantastic songs about this era. The first is “The Last Day of June , 1934” about the Night of the Long Knives. The second is “Roads to Moscow” an epic about a Russian soldier’s experience from June 1941 to October of 1945. Both are on the same album, “Past, Present and Future” which was, originally, meant tp have a songe about each decade through the 1960s. It’s not quite like that but these two songs cover the decades of the Second World War and, for studetns of history, are not to be missed.
"Please hand me my trousers." Choked on a digestive hearing that. A fantastic rabbit hole to go doiwn with you and a name check at the end (so right about my brother). Thanks for highlighting Ana in your timey-wimey thing and thanks for posting.
The real highlight of these videos is hearing Lord Hardtrasher say "we'll need to come back to that" basically every other sentence. You've got enough video ideas for a decade at this point 😂
You too can be a big hero once you've learned to count backwards to zero. "In German oder English, I know how to count down. Und I'm learning Chinese." says Werhner von Braun.
Always a pleasure to see one of your videos pop up, your Lordship. I hope you, her Ladyship, and even Jenkins are well. This was a great video that I thoroughly enjoyed, even if you pulled the rug out from under your premise not once but twice. I look forward to more of your dulcet tones elucidating us all on just how shit the Nazis were at every opportunity. May your drink of choice never be empty.
5:20 This visual of the inside of the moon rocket reminded me heavily of Tintin: Explorers on the Moon. I looked it up and it sounds like Frau im Mond was a major inspiration both visually and plot wise.
NEWS FLASH! Mussolini said that fascism might better have been called "corporatism." Because the Industrialists and weapons makers paved the fascist road to power with huge amounts of money. That happened in both Italy and Germany. As it is happening in the USA right now. Stay tuned!
In Germany the big companies did not start funding the Nazis until not funding them became a serious health risk. I think of the Nazi economy as being closer to Putin’s Russia than any other modern economic model. The companies are nominally independent of the tyrant of the day but nobody gets to run them without his approval. If the company acted against the interests of the tyrant the concentration camp or a high window is waiting to say hello.
First video of yours I've watched and I'm glad I did. Found you through NAFO and finally got around to checking you out. I always love videos where creators go through a rabbit hole they've fallen down and your presentation was super easy to follow. I look forward to more videos from you! In the meanwhile I'll be going through your backlog to see what else you've covered!
The third, or "other guy" on Apollo 11 was Michael Collins. I highly recommend his book, "Going To The Moon And Other Places". Well written and captivating. He flew with project Gemini as well.
He has strong Il D energy for sure. Only, minus any personal courage. Or inventiveness. Or eye for architecture. And he's never dug a hole topless for the cameras. Thank f
Equating the "socialist" and "workers" in National Socialist Worker's Party to the "democratic" and "republic" in Democratic People's Republic of Korea is brilliant and I am definitely using that example in the future, thank you.
My dear Lord Hardthrasher. Would it be possible for me to stop wearing the ridiculoous leather shorts that you insistedd on whilst doing the garden? My wife and myself are finding it very hard to see how they act as some sort of cunning disguise for infiltration.
I could tolerate him putting out a dedicated video arguing why he thinks Nazi's were socialists, even if his arguments weren't that convincing. But I dropped him when he hijacked his own videos about historical crimes against humanity to rail against modern day leftists. He even went full "only Sith deal in absolutes", saying how horrible socialists are for persecuting people based on their alleged groups... in a video where he said Nazi's, communists and modern socialists are all the same.
Well now I'm scared that one day you shall come to my house, beat me to death with a sock full of lead, and steal my collection of Glenn Fiddich and just party it out with dear old Jenkins. I love the guy. Cheers for another lovely video!
I would write a comment about how your attempts to interpret how german words/names should be spoken and then trying (and partially failing) to execute these interpretations results in you butchering my language... If I didn't find said botched experiments very funny, so instead I have written this. May your crappy german keep entertaining me, someone that lives in germany.
@@HardThrasher no need to apologize, keep trying and maybe, if you put consistent effort into it you can get good at it. Or not and I'll keep laughing at you.
Check out "Uncle Chen", that guy is a hardcore smoker and runs marathons. He even chain smoke while he runs. You may want to reconsider that smoker in a marathon quote 🤣
That’s weird, I thought he was referring to 2020 and Biden and his gang cheering on violent mobs rampaging through the streets, beating up their opponents and burning down buildings in an election year. I guess we see different things in these echos from the past.
I find the points he makes in this video very good, with the exception of constantly trying to compare Hitler and the Nazis to Trump and the Republicans. To do this is to take a significant portion of modern American politics and events and through it out the window, only seeing it in half of the light (for which can be kind of excused considering he isn't from America and most views of The US are negative because positivity and the truth is hard for some reason) but I genuinely think that on a historically aspect this is a great Video. Just wish youtube historian's (who almost always are from the UK or Australia) would stop turning educational videos into "let's bash on America fests"
@@Tactical_TismNot from me old chap. Arguments in good faith are a powerful means of learning and progress. The criticism is of trump, the GOP and the obvious comparisons to be made between their tactics and those used by our goosestepping chums. Their aims and policies are more up for debate perhaps, though lord knows some of the evangelical fellows have made it obvious where they would like society to go. Saying we like bashing America is a little straw manish when directing it at our esteemed creator. Personally I view America currently as the best of a bad lot. Still with a history of awfulness that continues to this day, but better than the obvious peers. You know as well as I do that the good old MIC isn't a huge force for good. Better than the alternative offerings from China or Russia for example but still crappy. Nuance I guess.
OK a quick note on socialism and what it is and isn’t.
Socialism is a very broad term covering a lot of different kinds of thinking and which emerged in the 1830s as an idea to transfer wealth from the rich to the poor. In Marx and Engels you'll see that described as the Factors of Production, because they felt it should include things like privilege as well as material stuff like buildings and, critically for Marx, capital.
However Marx is an extreme outlier because he believed revolution and Historical Determinism e.g. look at the past and divine the future, revolution and the emergence of a capital-free workers paradise...which is pretty batshit insane and far beyond what most modern socialists would advocate for.
One can reasonably measure a society by how well it looks after its weakest and most vulnerable members, and if not then we still need a lot of stuff from the state to survive e.g. roads, education, defence etc - otherwise the state ceases to be. This is likely to include the use of taxation of rich people and giving to poor people. Therefore *all* states have some element of socialism within them and that is a wholly good thing, it only becomes a problem when combined with authoritarianism.
The coercion required for the removal of ambition that Marx saw was what led to the Soviet and Chinese systems. However coercion is used by all Right wing states too - not least the whole of the feudal system in Europe and Asia, all monarchies, significant chunks of South America between 1900-2000 and, of course, by the Thin Blue Line brigade when they want you to not be able to protest or get an abortion. All states contain this too, and their monopoly on violence defines a state. Again, if it goes toofar, and shuts down democratic processes that’s when it becomes a problem.
perfect explanation, sir!
In this explanation you compare the modern interpretation of socialism in the West with the events of 1920 to 1940 and conclude that the NASDP were lying about their stated belief in socialism. This is an ahistorical turn. Should we compare the liberals 0f 1848 with the 21st century interpretation of what that word means, and state that these people were not really liberals?
@@agriphalalbion115 there's a 1923 interview with Hitler in which he states that he's redefining 'socialism' to "take it away from the Socialists" and turn it into nationalism - you _can_ compare two meanings of a word at different periods, or the same period, when one meaning has been explicitly changed in a well-defined way.
@williamchamberlain2263 Sure, Hitler said that. He also consistently called himself a socialist and that the party has "privatised" the national economy by installing party officials in corporations and removing uncooperative directors. I think he really believed what he was saying. It's a different debate as to how close he was with his words to reality. I my opinion, not even in sight of reality.
A quick note to everything you've said sir (solid explanation btw, everything is spot on and I agree with the point you've made). Marx himself wrote in various letters to Engels in 1884, and in the manifesto itself, that democracy was a vital part to achieving their goals: in an authoritarian state workers wouldn't have the means to organize or protest, to reach the tipping point for the big revolution to happen.
Marx also believed that some countries (the UK, the US and some others I'm forgetting), could perhaps reach socialism by virtue of voting and a peaceful transition of sorts, but unfortunately his insane ideas about historical determinism and the big revolution were the main way to reach his goal.
Still, thank you for the video milord, there's lots to like and it's unfortunate that such interesting (and also kinda horrifying due to the whole slavery and g****ide bit) stories have to be buried under modern political bile. (I also apologize for any butchering of the english language I've done sir, I am not from the mainland, nor one of the colonies, and I'm sure I've written an unrecognizable mess).
As a final aside, as a left leaning person myself, I strongly believe that we should start distancing ourselves (left-wing people) from the guy. Not that he didn't have good ideas, he certainly did have some, but the man lived in the mid-1800s. We shouldn't be clinging ourselves to the past so much, spouting theories and concepts from a bygone age. We can all see what unfettered capitalism has brought to the table, and what greedy corporations and investors can do to society and to the common working man. Why not start from there?
The Me 163 could only exploded under 3 conditions: When it took off, when it was flying and when it landed.
And when stationary
And when the allies found the airfield
And when refuelling
And on any day of the year other than the 30th of February.
correction.....it also blew up when refuelled, when built and when the letter Y appears in the day of the week...( in English!)
Poor Michael Collins the forgotten Apollo 11 member.
I sort of feel I should make a video about him by way of apology
When lord Hardthrasher said that I could remember his surname but not his first name. For some reason I was thinking of Phil Collins who I’m pretty sure didn’t go to the moon. 😂
Not to be confused with the Irish Republican leader by the same name.
Not by me I was 6 when they landed on the moon and Michael Collins was always my favourite, no disrespect to Neil and Buzz.
@@HardThrasher About whom ? The dude who got a free oxygen cremation on the ground?
The moral of the story nazis and rockets shouldn’t mix. Unless the rocket is pointed at them in which case mix with gusto
Mix to the point homogeneity, I would say.
(Haven’t watched the video yet, for context) The moral of the story of the history of NASA says otherwise, sadly, just look up Operation Paperclip
Idk man the Saturn V was real cool
"Only the Me 163 turns a Nazi into a soup-like homogenate in under 0.1 seconds"
@Iden_in_the_Rain Russians did similar stuff, end of ww2 was a race to get as many scientists and researchers as possible. I imagine we still would have made it to the moon but likely would have taken a lot longer and at greater cost, lives very much included. That's not including missile weapon technology
I'm half German, and saw that 'our last hope-Hitler" poster when I was about 9 in a museum. Nothing has ever really shocked me more.
Exactly the same tactic used by a certain orange Hitler wannabe in America.
Well people still run around waving hammer-and-sickle flags around in the West, despite, you know, everything.
People line up behind bloodthirsty ideologies and people in the belief that they're putting stock in something good all the time. Nothing shocking about it, really.
If I had spent my youth in some mud filld trench in France my young adulthood unemployed in Weimar and my adulthood facing even more unemployment in the Great Depression, I could see the appeal.
Keep in mind that the Depression had been raging for 2 years and the establishment had come up with exactly zero to counteract it, if anything the common wisdom was that they had to do nothing. In that backdrop the simplistic appeals of demagogues can resonate
A lot of people don’t realize that there was actually not a negligible amount of support for a dictator in many western countries. There was in particular in America many different schools of thought regarding what kind of system should replace what they believed to be the defunct one that had caused the depression. But we were able to gradually recover and get past that. Because the treaty of Versailles hit Germany hard already the stock market crash hit them even harder, thus the appeal for some fiery speaker who claimed they would fix everything seemed ever greater. It was kind of the perfect storm of events in Germany at the time that allowed Hitler to rise. But I think here in the west we were a bit closer than we realize to a similar fate.
@@kenon6968 Yet millions on the other fronts did not emulate the Turks.
"If you slow him down, he's actually dancing the Macarena" well there goes my coffee out my nose and the rest of my evening trying to edit a historical video with the Macarena as back track
*Subscribes to channel*
You now have my curiosity.
"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department!" says Wernher von Braun
Ah yes Tom Lehrer was great, love his music.
@@prothstein
Tom is still alive at 96.
Gather round while I sing you of Wehrner von Braun.
A man whose allegiance
is ruled by expedience.
Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown.
"Nazi, schmazi." says Werhner von Braun.
Tom Lehrer, right?
Or had I misspelled his last name?
@@PobortzaPl You got it right. czcams.com/video/QEJ9HrZq7Ro/video.html
And... wow. It's his 96th birthday. Well, where I am, it was yesterday, but since he's in California, it's still his birthday for another hour and a half.
I am trying to get some studying done and it is REALLY DIFFICULT when my favourite youtubers keep uploading back to back!
And im doing (suposed to be) my assignment
same, got an exam in 2 days, it's late evening and I haven't finished yet, but there's banger after banger videos
Same.
I'm supposed to be outlining my essay but...HardThrasher comes first.
Oooh, who else uploaded?
This story kinda underlines how the biggest enemy of a nazi is another nazi. And this is true for all dictatorships. For example, the biggest concern of the Soviet Union was to monitor (i.e. spy on) its own allies and communist organisations in other countries in order to 'weed out any internal enemies'.
Thus, dictatorships are stupendously inefficient as they end up needing to support oversized internal security services and manage and pay a huge network of informants. What is worse, every citizen's career becomes dependent on if they denounce or inform on the right people at the right time - and so, cooperation ceases both on the societal and personal level. Every small decision becomes a backstabbing power struggle, where party apparatchiks try to outplay the outsiders and each other, micromanaging every aspect of every decision. Basically the country stops working. This is how the Soviet Union ended up with all those empty shelves and crappy cars - and this is where the Nazi regime would have ended up, if they were to survive WWII.
Spot on. It’s also a reason why cancel culture is having such an extraordinarily negative effect on Western economies today.
@@sirrathersplendid4825
Because getting screamed at online for 15 minutes and getting thrown in a camp are obviously the same thing.
@@jorenvanderark3567 - Getting screamed at online is just the thin end of the wedge.
@@jorenvanderark3567It starts with verbal and written shit (Far Right or Far Left authoritarianism, etc) but the extremist brain virus spreads to the media, institutions, companies, and state, and then....
Agree that Nazi Germany, if it was a victor against Soviet Russia, would within 30 to 50 years implode from inside like the RL Soviets did, with unworkable policies, day to day mismanagement, lack of compassion to human life inflicting a deep societal toll, and purity spiriling, etc.
Also there is the paradox of authoritarian or totalitarian states to have duplicate branches of the state (also different branches of the armed & security forces) to squabble and scheme against each other, led by petty tyrants (a good fictional example of war losing spats like that is between Krennic and Tarkin or Hux and Ben in Disney Star Wars).
holy shit every description of what hitler did to get popular support and political support has given me a sinking feeling.
The parallels are concerning, and the success is frightening.
Yep sadly it's allready happening in many places from Canada debanking and giving government the right to change and delete post made online
Here we have the "peaceful protest" that set fires and attack police
Also the pro palli human torch and other acts of "extreme disobedience" are just more examples of history repeating those old ways
Especially the 'trust in his lawyer to clear up after him' sounds very familiar and contemporary
It's important to remember that fascism is hard to define chiefly because it's more a political cheat code, the quickest path to power. Fascists often personally believe in nonsense but fundamentally they believe in winning, that the strong winners must shape society and thus will do whatever they can, however they can to win.
They think winning makes you right when winning just ensures you're in charge when the ship hits the iceberg you fought to steer towards (it sounded like a good idea at the time to the passengers who don't know how ships work).
Any political party that focuses on winning over any other consideration becomes like fascists be default, blaming everything on an outgroup is easy votes, gaming the political system and backstabbing gets support from capital, all of it works to get you in charge but destroys functioning systems to do it. You win but the state becomes a looted hulk bouyed purely by combative hatred of a vague pike of "bad things" and "bad guys" who can't meaningfully be countered because they include the whole rest of human life on earth, or at least everyone who's not a heroic ubermench, meaning even the glorious leader falls outside the definition.
Fascists are dangerous because they win, and then they have to keep winning forever or their entire ideology crumbles and eats itself. The nazis could never win because they'd have to defeat everyone on earth, at which point they'd start killing each other to explain why their society still sucks to live in.
Jo...i dont Like Hitler comparissions but IT fehlt very familiär the Last about 6-8 years.
Thank you for illustrating just how crazy Nazi internal politics were. I also really appriciate your connections to modern politics. The Chinazone series remains one of my favourite CZcams Projects and I hope that you will continue to make videos connecting history and modern culture/politics. Your pronounciation of german words is all over the place , but I'm pretty sure my thick German Accent has given American WW2 Vets PTSD induced heart attacks before, so who am I to judge
It blows my mind that we know all this, have it written down to study and learn from and yet, it's happening again. Amazing Thanks for your perfect delivery, cheers mate.
Fascism appeals most to people who are incapable of learning from the past, so it makes sense.
How is it happening again? Trump is no Hitler, he's simply not smart enough, and he's rapidly losing support.
the Archive of the Deutsches Museum in Munich has 69 (nice) boxes of documents from Rolf Engels estate.
*Really* wish I'd known that before! I might email them with some questions as there's a lot of blanks and contradictions around him
Don’t ever apologise for not presenting the topic you were intending to present! That was hugely interesting.
Nice
"Before Wernher shot for the moon, he often missed, and hit London" is sadly hilarious and accurate
Watched History of Everything’s latest video.
Saw your segment there and was rather impressed.
Followed the link to this channel.
Promptly lost two hours of my day in the blink of an eye watching your four part video on the Battle of Britain.
I think I’ll be sticking around for a bit.
All that talk of Von Braun's crimes, and not a single mention of Tom Lehrur's song about him? Very sad. One of the funniest songs ever written, I think.
"Once ze rockets are up, who cares where zhey come down?
Zat's not my department." says Werhner von Braun.
"all through the night,
without a fight,
never a frown,
Werner von Braun"
" i aim for the stars"
"But sometimes i hit London".
@@Katy_JonesI hate his joke because he was literally aiming at London.
The problem I have with Ernst Röhm is that I first read about him many years after I'd watched the 'Pink Panther' films and I can't help but pronounce his surname like Inspector Clouseau. Also, he was a twat.
4:27 second from the left is absolutely definitely Doctor Strangelove.
Exactly what I thought - you beat me to it, mein lieber.
Grain alcohol and rainwater cocktails all round!
re German pronunciation; if it's any consolation I'm dual British/German, I've lived in Germany all my adult life, some 20 years now, and my German pronunciation is still somewhere between "sehr schlecht" and "Are you American?".
If your posting name misses two dots and is indicative of where in Germany you are: There are easier variants of German to learn than Schwäbisch...
@@irgendwieanders2121 My word, very well spotted. Yes, Schwäbisch is a tough dialect. I made it worse on myself by starting in Oberbayern...
Absolutely brilliant content and humour delivered as I like my martinis…… very dry. Thank you for what you do to bring these fantastic productions to us.
"Very dry" indeed. M'Lord wastes little time apologizing or explaining his irony.
Bravo.
The trouble with landed gentry content creators, these days, is they just dont work their servants hard enough to create more frequent content.
Dont spare the rod.
Always great to have you back HardThrasher.
Laughing at nazis of the past while sending money to people combatting nazis of the present, some Picon and beer. This Tuesday evening is off to a great start.
You calling Russians N4zis and Азов the good guys? Are you serious?
@@AirWolfAT6Given that Putin’s justification for invading Ukraine is identical to those given by Hitler regards Czechia and Austria.
Given that Putin’s government has passed laws against ethnic minorities and the LGBTQ community. Idolises hyper conservative institutions like the Orthodox Patriarchy all while propagating Russian Revanchism.
Given that Putin’s army has at least 20 different ultranationalist organisations integrated into its armed forces. Several of which are explicitly Neo-Nazi groups such as Ruisch and the Remnants of Wagner.
Yeah… Putin and his bunch are Fascists/Nazis.
Should we tell him...
Google Azov Battlaion, and the other one in Ukraine...
The politicians wear their badges...
@@ynraider How do you think Wagner Group got their name? Or are they just massive fans of classical music.
something, something, algorithm, engagement, like, like, like
I'll engage to that!
I think this is actually my favorite of your videos - I love the focus on a single person to make a larger historical point.
14:17 "And if any of that sounds familiar, I can't possibly imagine why."
Nailed it.
I haven't had my interest piqued so hard since I last went ham on a glockenspiel.
I enjoy and appreciate your productions. You sometimes talk faster than I can listen, so I back up and re-run a lot of it, but I realize that you have an enormous amount of information to convey, so you have to go at a good clip. Anyway, once again, well done.
Thinks he's the smartest in every room, enjoys playing with rockets, dodgy political philosophy, utter Charlie Uniform ...
Aren't we fortunate to live in an era where such people no longer exist.
Did the first one sell huge electric cars too?
@@bificommander7472you joke but I have heard about electric cars in the late 1800s early 1900s. Unfortunately I don't have a reliable source for that.
Damn my lord, I was just about to settle down for an early night, and up popped your vid. Excellent case study in the workings of the Nazi - or any other authoritarian - regime. Also, a shout out to all the German industrialists and financiers of the time who thought Hitler was such a good idea: "Don't worry, he may be a raving monster, but we can control him, can't we?" The warnings for today are well placed.
I am so sick of people calling the Nazi's "left wing". If you Listen to Conservatives no right winger in history ever did anything bad lol. Came for the rocket plane, stayed for the history.
Its only in the last ten years Ive come across this idea. I find that concerning....
That's a bad attempt at gaslighting. It's like they're trying to gaslight themselves. "Are we the baddies? Surely not!"
I'll never understand why a tea-total, non smoker, vegetarian with a "Chaplin" moustache was ever taken seriously...
Much the same way a clueless schmuck with a stupid haircut, orange tan and proven record of being a total dildo gets taken seriously.
For the same reason an old, fat, narcissistic perverted windbag with way to much artificial sun-browner got to be POTUS.
To many people were to obsessed by their anger to be thinking clearly, and to voted for a conman who told them the fairytales they wanted to hear instead of difficult and complicated facts
Obviously his talents as a painter made a greater impression than we’d imagine today.
As it was recently my 50th rotation around the sun, I have an excellent selection of fancy Vodka and mixers at home. Excellent 🍸
61st here, though I'd go with a good single malt.
I'll gladly wait for the Me 163 video when the rabbit hole is as fascinating as this, m'lord. Bravo, and may we have some more?
I am quite sad the video was so short. In other news, a genie visited me last week and with all three wishes I wished for more LordHardThrasher videos.
Hard thrasher vs TIK history would be interesting.
Not because tik is mid century german enthusiast, but because he dived into the well of insanity and tried his best to understand their insanity and brought to us decent understanding of how they came to thoose ideas.
Hell yeah king
Yep I was thinking the same, kind of a fight to prove just exactly how Shit 💩 these shits were
When one looks it the Abyss
One should remember
That the Abyss looks back
Or something to that effect. Look at "Nietzsche; quotes"
no he is just a fascist C@@t
My thoughts aswell
Branching out into current affairs cautionary tales now, m’lud?
Fascinating vid on so many different levels. Also a reminder never to regard all those trying to end your way of life as just evil - they can also be super, super clever evil, maybe even smarter than yourself. Not at all an absolutely fucking scary thought.
14:20 I was just thinking what your lordship is saying during the voiceover of this 1935 film would perfectly describe another “leader” of a far-right movement, and here we have it as your fade transition is now saying what I was thinking.
Great touch with the line about the space lazers 👍.
The world was supposed to have learned from this but we haven't.
could you maybe show the names of german organisations or people on the screen when saying them? as funny as your pronounciation is, i fail to understand many of the names
also the thing you described as socialism is social-democracy. Socialism is not about taxes but about the ownership of the means of production
Holy crap. Someone in this comment section (and on CZcams as a whole) who actually understands what Socialism is.
You sir/ma’am are a unicorn.
@@AnimarchyHistoryhehe thenks :3
some of the comments (especially the person talking about how islam is a socialist threat for some reason) genuinly scare me for lack of factuality
Yeah I don't get how people trying to correct other people who are wrong about a concept... can then further still be wrong.
yeah as a non-native english speaker who doesn't know german it gets hard to follow hardthrasher when he starts saying names. Also wow, another person who knows a little bit about Socialism instead of just...vomiting stuff they heard on another video/comment or the TV.
@@Starwar111ITA funny thing is, I speak german and still couldn't understand most of the stuff ^^
Thank you for disassembling the "Nazis are Socialists" bullshit. I've had to to stop commenting on another site which has bought into it.
New Hard Trasher vid to watch as I drop in on Cyberstan. Life is good.
"...you can call him a nazi,
he won't even frown
'nazi-schmatzi' says Wernher von Braun." 😉
Al Stewart wrote two absolutely fantastic songs about this era. The first is “The Last Day of June , 1934” about the Night of the Long Knives. The second is “Roads to Moscow” an epic about a Russian soldier’s experience from June 1941 to October of 1945. Both are on the same album, “Past, Present and Future” which was, originally, meant tp have a songe about each decade through the 1960s. It’s not quite like that but these two songs cover the decades of the Second World War and, for studetns of history, are not to be missed.
29:00 - I do hope everyone here has watched 'Conspiracy'. Aka 'The Kenneth Branagh Show'.
"Please hand me my trousers." Choked on a digestive hearing that. A fantastic rabbit hole to go doiwn with you and a name check at the end (so right about my brother). Thanks for highlighting Ana in your timey-wimey thing and thanks for posting.
Well presented, informative, concerningly pertinent and depressing in equal measures: gets a like from me.
By Gad, sir: once again, kudos and thanks for your excellence in concision, scholarship, writing, and wit on important issues.
The real highlight of these videos is hearing Lord Hardtrasher say "we'll need to come back to that" basically every other sentence. You've got enough video ideas for a decade at this point 😂
“When he wasn’t aiming for the moon he often missed and hit London” that shit was hilarious
"... like the widows and orphans of old London town, who is their rich pensions to Werner von Braun."
You too can be a big hero
once you've learned to count backwards to zero.
"In German oder English, I know how to count down.
Und I'm learning Chinese." says Werhner von Braun.
This is my favorite History channel bar none.
I like the way you don't fall for the good German narrative.
Always a pleasure to see one of your videos pop up, your Lordship. I hope you, her Ladyship, and even Jenkins are well. This was a great video that I thoroughly enjoyed, even if you pulled the rug out from under your premise not once but twice. I look forward to more of your dulcet tones elucidating us all on just how shit the Nazis were at every opportunity. May your drink of choice never be empty.
5:20 This visual of the inside of the moon rocket reminded me heavily of Tintin: Explorers on the Moon. I looked it up and it sounds like Frau im Mond was a major inspiration both visually and plot wise.
NEWS FLASH! Mussolini said that fascism might better have been called "corporatism." Because the Industrialists and weapons makers paved the fascist road to power with huge amounts of money. That happened in both Italy and Germany. As it is happening in the USA right now. Stay tuned!
In Germany the big companies did not start funding the Nazis until not funding them became a serious health risk.
I think of the Nazi economy as being closer to Putin’s Russia than any other modern economic model. The companies are nominally independent of the tyrant of the day but nobody gets to run them without his approval. If the company acted against the interests of the tyrant the concentration camp or a high window is waiting to say hello.
First video of yours I've watched and I'm glad I did. Found you through NAFO and finally got around to checking you out. I always love videos where creators go through a rabbit hole they've fallen down and your presentation was super easy to follow. I look forward to more videos from you! In the meanwhile I'll be going through your backlog to see what else you've covered!
11:06 To quote Sir Humphrey Appleby “Always get rid of the difficult bit in the title”.
Another masterpiece,Your Lordship,great to hear the Anglo-Saxon language getting a good airing, I particularly enjoyed the end titles!😅😂!
Your best yet. Thank you for your hard work.
Great tangent and rabbit hole. Please do more like this.
Now that was a rabbit hole and an effing half, spiffingly Well done old chap !
And he wasnt even close to the right rabbit hole. His own bias got in the way of this one.
@@scrubsrc4084
Careful mate - you're gonna trip over your _own_ biases.
@stickiedmin6508 I have none when it comes to history.
@@scrubsrc4084
Whoops! There you go.
Warned you.
@@stickiedmin6508 do I?
This is so good -- no bs, just straight "what is was about."
a truly infomative video! 😊👍
The third, or "other guy" on Apollo 11 was Michael Collins. I highly recommend his book, "Going To The Moon And Other Places". Well written and captivating. He flew with project Gemini as well.
I always thought of Trump as more of a Dorito Mussolini.
He has strong Il D energy for sure. Only, minus any personal courage. Or inventiveness. Or eye for architecture. And he's never dug a hole topless for the cameras. Thank f
Equating the "socialist" and "workers" in National Socialist Worker's Party to the "democratic" and "republic" in Democratic People's Republic of Korea is brilliant and I am definitely using that example in the future, thank you.
False equivalence but don't let facts get in the way.
10:38 lol. I had to look up fetlife as I didn’t know what it was - Learnt some new today.
OH GOD! I'm so sorry...
@@HardThrasher No need to apologise, I got a good chuckle. :)
The German desire to move East was well defined by the end of the nineteenth century.
Der drang nach ost, was a belief held by the Kaiser.
We are indeed extraordinarily beautiful, attractive, intelligent, well dressed and sophisticated humans your lordship!
Interesting, informative, entertaining, and humorous. Well done all around.
That is one helluva life story even though some events may be embellished and he was an evil rotten SOB.
I’m looking forward to your take on the rockets of Helwan and the Operation Damocles counter action!
My dear Lord Hardthrasher.
Would it be possible for me to stop wearing the ridiculoous leather shorts that you insistedd on whilst doing the garden? My wife and myself are finding it very hard to see how they act as some sort of cunning disguise for infiltration.
Fine! Jesus christ....you just can't please some people 😉
Wait.. he let you wear pants for that? I was told wearing nothing would make people not want to see what I was doing anyways.
@@somerandom3257 SO naive, so SO naive!!
Welcome back Thrash! You've knocked it for six again! Brills video, many thanks.
Dear God - at 12:30 I thought he was talking about Trump and not Hitler - amazing and shocking all at the same time.
I am not sure if this is happening for anybody else, but on my screen there is a double space between Rolf and Adventure in the title
The pronunciation might be sehr schlecht but the video is really good
"Once ze rockets go up, who cares where ze come down. Zat's not my department says Werner von Braun." -Tom Lehrer
2:05 Justice for Micheal Collins
I did feel bad about that.....
Excellent and fascinating work as always good sir!
I suspect TIK won’t agree with your words on the socialism of the Nazis.
Personally I do.
The Nazis were NOT socialist imo.
Who cares what that overrated know nothing says
@@DavisJ-ln6fw his little group of libertarian muppets and gullible idiots.
The reichsministeriums were directly a socialist concept.
I could tolerate him putting out a dedicated video arguing why he thinks Nazi's were socialists, even if his arguments weren't that convincing.
But I dropped him when he hijacked his own videos about historical crimes against humanity to rail against modern day leftists. He even went full "only Sith deal in absolutes", saying how horrible socialists are for persecuting people based on their alleged groups... in a video where he said Nazi's, communists and modern socialists are all the same.
At what point are they not socialist?
If you didn't read Ignition as part of your research for this video you should. Its highly informative and the author is captivating.
I don't have a paypal. Thanks to Ana.
Will pass it along, thank you
Well now I'm scared that one day you shall come to my house, beat me to death with a sock full of lead, and steal my collection of Glenn Fiddich and just party it out with dear old Jenkins. I love the guy.
Cheers for another lovely video!
Oh you spoil us m’lord and on a dull Tuesday, with S F A to do. Chapeau!
Really brilliant, absolutely love the colour footage ..
Very interesting ,kind thanks 👍😄👍
Wait! Wait! One second, let me make a cuppa!
Alright, let's roll
26:48
Heh! Is that Göring in the valkyrie costume? Good likeness!
Gosh, which current person could you be talking about😄
Charlie unit novemer tango is now my favorite insult.
Yep! This Hitler guy sounds kinda familiar. Kinda reminds me of some guy recently...Hmmmm.
Splendid. Excellent tactical deployment of the expletive.
I would write a comment about how your attempts to interpret how german words/names should be spoken and then trying (and partially failing) to execute these interpretations results in you butchering my language...
If I didn't find said botched experiments very funny, so instead I have written this. May your crappy german keep entertaining me, someone that lives in germany.
I am so, so sorry
@@HardThrasher no need to apologize, keep trying and maybe, if you put consistent effort into it you can get good at it. Or not and I'll keep laughing at you.
Check out "Uncle Chen", that guy is a hardcore smoker and runs marathons. He even chain smoke while he runs. You may want to reconsider that smoker in a marathon quote 🤣
An exception means nothing.
Sounds like your talking about Trump🤔😅😅😅😅
That’s weird, I thought he was referring to 2020 and Biden and his gang cheering on violent mobs rampaging through the streets, beating up their opponents and burning down buildings in an election year. I guess we see different things in these echos from the past.
Ah, the madcap days of 1930s Germany. Good thing those days of chaos, infighting and major power ambitions are gone from the world. Cough.
I find the points he makes in this video very good, with the exception of constantly trying to compare Hitler and the Nazis to Trump and the Republicans. To do this is to take a significant portion of modern American politics and events and through it out the window, only seeing it in half of the light (for which can be kind of excused considering he isn't from America and most views of The US are negative because positivity and the truth is hard for some reason) but I genuinely think that on a historically aspect this is a great Video. Just wish youtube historian's (who almost always are from the UK or Australia) would stop turning educational videos into "let's bash on America fests"
And I'm sure I'll get a comment to the tone of "buh you hurt me fewings I angy and any points you make is wong bc I cant take criticism"
If it quacks like a duck ....
@@Tactical_Tism No what you'll get is his comparison spot on so stop whining.
Maybe it’s because Trump and other Republicans use fascist rhetoric
@@Tactical_TismNot from me old chap. Arguments in good faith are a powerful means of learning and progress.
The criticism is of trump, the GOP and the obvious comparisons to be made between their tactics and those used by our goosestepping chums. Their aims and policies are more up for debate perhaps, though lord knows some of the evangelical fellows have made it obvious where they would like society to go.
Saying we like bashing America is a little straw manish when directing it at our esteemed creator.
Personally I view America currently as the best of a bad lot. Still with a history of awfulness that continues to this day, but better than the obvious peers.
You know as well as I do that the good old MIC isn't a huge force for good. Better than the alternative offerings from China or Russia for example but still crappy. Nuance I guess.