Jordan Peterson - The Tragic Story of the Man-Child
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Growing up means to give up the potential to be everything. Make your choice while you can or the choice will be made for you.
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"A man who procrastinates in his choosing will have his choice made for him by circumstance"
-Hunter S. Thompson
How many cocaine a day did that guy inject? Nevertheless he was a genius of his own terms. I'm just starting to read his hells angels book. About 20 pages in.
That's not entirely a bad thing, to some extent - by all means narrow down your choices to what you are most interested in, but it can also be beneficial to consider circumstance along the way as you may have a number of choices which could be equally attractive to you, but external circumstances might tell you that one of those choices open to you might prove the most advantageous to you in the long-term.
Garrett Keith The illusion of thinking that you have freedom of choice plays a major part in the process of self development and created this paradoxical absurdity
What exactly do you mean by your post? I agree with what you say about there being an "illusion of thinking that you have freedom of choice", but how does this relate to the process of self development?! Would you say that the recognition that freedom of choice is an illusion actually helps one on the path to self development?!
PHat in a hat I mean that the process of self development is indoctrinated by the educational system, for the sole purpose of social engineering.
The whole process is predetermined and most people are unaware,thus the illusion
Been avoiding this video in fear he would describe me perfectly.
Stephen Jeffreys roughly speaking
Stephen Jeffreys same .
The truth can sometimes be scary but accepting it is necessary in moving forward. There's no moving backwards in acknowledging something you've known deep inside all along. It takes great strength and courage to face yourself.
Well, did he?
Yea Ron had my question...did he?
I am the 30 year old man child and it's terrifying and soul destroying. Don't let it happen to you. What he says is true.
You still have time to turn your life around and become Iron Man.
Hey man how are you...
I can relate with you!
Lol I've seen the otherside of that coin, and it's not much better.
@@Zerozerozero0x0x0 The 30 year old man child is the person that can’t defend himself in the real world, because he has everything handed to him, still lives with his parents and is scared to accept the responsibility of life struggles they must endure. I’m still in that stage but I’m trying to get through it and put more responsibilities on myself, stop blaming the world for my problems, and fix them myself, learn new things and reach for goals that will sustain my existence across time instead of sit there at 30 at my parents house playing video games all day, doing nothing, and making a shitty 16 an hour for all of my life. I started to go to school, got promoted, starting taking responsibility, and stopped whining…well like a child about how everyone is doing better than me and it not being fair. Getting out of that man child mindset is crippling. However it’s mostly an attitude change that needs to be implemented into the person’s life. That’s how I see it.
I am 37 years old man child.
I have a family member who is exactly this. Smart, charming, good looking guy who we all thought could be a businessman, lawyer, teacher etc. Everyone praised him continuously and girls fawned over him but as the years passed he never really did anything aside from graduating. He is now in his early 40's and still in his parents house stating that men are in their prime in their 50's so he has "time". Very scary. Perfect example of being taken totally unaware. Blink and 10-20 years will have passed.
Wow most phDs at that age I know work at some kind of job e.g lecturer and such, this is just wow
50 year olds certainly have more oppurtunity and less oppression right now thats for sure
What did he graduate in? Did he not work at all?
@@katierose1893 Graduated from BU and worked at various banks and law firms and was always the life of the office parties. Had relationships with coworkers but as with any Peter Pan, he always dropped the relationships, switched jobs. Given there was no traction or career path, this led to lower tiered back office positions and IT which he thought would be fun but of course isn't lol. He then became a tutor overseas and ultimately decided he would become a pilot. He took the lessons provided by his parents but was not able to commit to the massive amount of hours required realizing even if he did put in the flight hours, he would be 50 + before he could get a commercial license for a low level pilot job. Not sure what's next but he seems happy.
@@s4awd2 Well it doesn't sound that bad. When you said "he never did anything after graduating and lives with parents at 40", I thought that he just partied, fucked around and never worked, being financially dependent on his parents. But it sounds like he tried a lot of careers. Sure, maybe you think it'd be better if he settled in a career path and got married. But idk, grass is always greener...
"When you're 25 you can be an idiot"
As a 24 year old, this was nice to hear.
Same I’m about to turn 24 this month lol
We got this boys. I'm gonna try to exercise more, I think I've been under estimating it.
Justin: He just wants you to go to college, to pay the salary of idiots like HIM. He's not a STEM professor. He makes his money on STEM students who are forced to take extracurriculars to get a degree.
YOUR COMMENT SUGGESTS YOUR IDIOCY IS ETERNAL..
Let's clean or room together. we can do this boys!
"You can be an idiot at 25"
>Turns 26
> Sweating intensifies
Same
Same
Same !
27 now
@@gabrielmaddern6070 how is it going man?
"They rob your future self while allowing you to pretend you have an identity" That hit me in the gut.
Testis 👀
Ditto.
yep hearing this at age 30 hits hard
Blocked in like tetris
Glad I’m hearing this before my later life! I’ll make sure to work through life responsibly!
This man speaks from having listened to hundreds of patients talk about their problems and dealing with them. That alone deserves incredible merit attached to his words.
is he really helping anyone though? all I see him do is shaming but the thing is success is often never an option
Yup the message is interesting but he lacks the compassion. HE is still acting as captain hook in my opinion; with good old shame n' blame.
@@Vinc34U Something seems to be working judging by the thousands of testimonies online from people who have improved their lives based on his advice. I know somebody in person too who did.
@@Leonard-Mazet true, but you also have to understand that a lot of times in life others can only show you what you should be doing. How you should be doing it is something that you have to figure out for yourself - or that it's up to you to find someone who will tell you the method.
@@Leonard-Mazet He lacks compassion in your view? You must have never listened to his other lectures, interviews or various talks he gave.
Please stop posting lectures about me on the internet.
🤣🤣🤣
Gold!!
Hahahahah....you savage
Dude! This guy fucking hit me where it hurts! Haha
Lol
"They rob your future self while allowing you to pretend you have an identity" That is one of the most accurate critisisms of Universities I have heard.
Demention94 You can't deny, no one who's sane or in their right mind can deny there's an agenda at play nationwide, and some say worldwide to halt the maturation process of young adults and keep them permanently and developmentally stunted. When I went to university I was surprised to find that there was nowhere to go, or everything around me was a 'Pleasure Island' as he said. Contrary to popular belief, this horrified me because I came in with a drive wanting to be successful - Immediately I felt the danger there that there was no support for development or molding young minds into a normal and healthy adults. Obviously this felt horrible, and I was already 25 due to working, and some other personal issues. A lot of which by partly stemmed from the malevolent, sick society that we now live in. People still don't believe it, and call you "conspiracy theorist". I guess I wear that as a badge of honor. I went to one of the biggest liberal arts schools on the east coast, but I was there for a science degree which I completed. Like many of you I had no idea what I was walking into. I didn't even know what a liberal arts school was about, but just went there for the program. But, I didn't come out of that place the same.
There was zero, absolutely zero support for maturation there. Which I at the time thought very extremely strange considering it was a, University. That was the biggest mistake of my life - In retrospect. I should be packed up and gone somewhere else immediately, but didn't and I ended up choosing to drink the kool aid after a while.
Life is tragic, and fuck them, for doing everything they can to destroy our lives and every chance we have at living them, by foisting on us an endless state of arrested development, corruption and endless...degeneracy/lack of ethics.
Thank God for Jordan Peterson.
I'm 31 years old have 2 degrees in Science and am more or less..jobless. I was swayed away from the path of my life by corruption, and important developmental guidemarkers which simply were not there in the environment -but plenty of corruption was -when I needed them. That's that and not without great difficulty and delay later on it will happen.
I was let down, along with millions of other college educated young people, expecting something positive and hopeful from this country and once again - eating shit.
We should have done something about this long ago.
Hell, this country is going to hell so fast. Stay strong and cling to yourself. That's all you can do, everything else has let us all down it seems. It's up to us now, for our everything.
Don't expect the luxury of society providing the framework.
It's true. Communists and Marxists have hijacked the country.
All that they say, The State, are lies on top of lies.
I'm surprised they don't shut down Jordan Peterson for being a beacon of light and telling the truth.
You might not be aware of it, but Google tried to remove him from all their platforms just last week. Luckily for us, he's now known enough that lots of people were talking about it and he got his accounts back a couple days later.
But, sadly, it's pretty much only a matter of time before someone use the very vague hate speech canadian laws to shut him up for the duration (easily 3-4 years) of a trial that will go nowhere.
The kids today aren't the lost boys, they're the LARPing Commies.
Pretty damn true except for the exceptional students who actually know specifically what they want to go to University for. I never wanted to go to an Ivy League college, even though I could have gotten in, and I could have gotten my parents to pay for it. It seemed like it would have been a massive waste of money and that I'd be pretending to be something I wasn't. I guess I knew I was a slacker and knew I'd disappoint them. I saved them a lot of money by going to State schools.
To all the man children there is hope, I was in the situation JP described at 24 no job, no direction, overweight. Then my dad died, without a safety net it was sink or swim. Now at 30 I’m married with two kids, in great shape and interning at a law firm. Struggle builds fortitude, success is out there you will find a way 🙏
Awesome
I thank you for this, I'm 24 atm (25 in july) pretty much the same situation so gives me hope that someone started this journey off similar to where I'm at. Thank you and all the best to you.
I am 31 with no relationships ever, in a simple job, and the life is great.
Fucking incredible 🙌
jesus christ you're superman
"There's a sacrificial element in maturation. You have to sacrifice the pluri-potentiality of childhood for the actuallity of a frame". This phrase this man said was something I've been subconciously thinking about and been afraid of for a very long time as a guy in my early 20s, but I could not find the words to describe it... This alone opened my mind a lot.
"Some people die at 30 and aren't buried until they're 75."
-- Benjamin Franklin
I think Peterson died at 20. He looks awful for his age and seems like a miserable man.
Z I’m not going to add detail to this as I’m not going to waste energy responding to the preponderance of things asinine about you’re statement. So I’ll leave it at this, you obviously missed the point of the video, and are obviously making a foolish in-cohesive statement because you disagree with him and couldn’t think of something more valuable to say
@@jakesilvers2844 looks like someone cracked open mr thesaurus lmao chill Jake
ie men who get married
@@emiliathomas4730 meh got bored, felt like shutting a libby up. thats nothing
Never realized the clock was a symbol for mortality in Peter Pan... Damn
You see maybe it even wasn't but Jordan is so good to connect stories with real world like he did in his book with Bible. I have never seen someone use book or story to relate it to real life like Jordan does to pass his message. The point is it just doesn't matter what creator of Peter Pan thought Jordan's message is so powerful that it floors you down. It hits you like hammer right in the head and the more it hurts it only means the more you need it!!!
ikr? getting btfo with truthbombs from dr. Peterson over here
I didn't know Peter pan had a message. I thought it was just a cartoon.
The original story of Peter Pan was written because James Barie saw numerous homeless children dying of malnutrition.
Neverland represented never growing up because they died.
That's also why the imaginary meals.
It was not just a cute children's story it was a scathing commentary of the disposability of the unwanted children.
It wasn't. That's Jordan's interpretation. It is a good interpretation but no THE intepretation.
Other thing I’ll add is as 32 year old male, life hits quick from 25-32. Can’t believe I’m 32 sometimes. And I took it pretty easy between 25-30, and my last 2 years have been literal hell learning that I have to sacrifice in order to feel fulfilled
shit man im 25 i wish i didnt read this
@@joseignacioctm same😂😂😂 life is strange have a beer and laugh
what's next?
@@DL-nb9hp Get a job, I guess.
I’m 33 and feel the same. I really feel after 28 time went extremely quick and suddenly everyone you know is married with a few kids
All these other guys needing help, makes me feel not alone. I hope you are all doing okay. At 28, still at my parents, unemployed, college student, loss of drive, depressed, low self worth. I believe we can do it.
You will be okay
That's cool that you believe in something.
at least you are in college!! continue to challenge yourself, discomfort with awareness of purpose leads to growth.
@tribecalledmaya thank you Maya. I appreciate that. Just got a new job 3 weeks ago too!
Hell yeah brother, I'm rooting for you. Feels good to not be alone with these struggles. I should really look for a self help group or some stuff like this in my area
"Procrastination is the thief of dreams." - Native American Proverb
g0neplatinum NA had a completely different way of life. I don’t think dreams of becoming something greater than everything else would have even been comprehended.
maybe it means you should be sleeping instead of procastinating? cause you know, you will be dreaming
g0neplatinum hahaha. That be true if Native Americans had written history, you fn dolt.
@@MrJackal43 Ever heard of the Mayans or Aztecs.
@UC1QbmR2M8XaTAB3eOWCdN7g- And dreams are the food of procrastination.
The man who refuses to fight his battles ends up fighting them all in the end.
Alexander the Great.
what battles?
anglekan Alexander The Great is only great because he didnt wait around for the tribes North of the Danube to invade his nation.
He got up an vonquered them before they and the illyrians came to him the greek as well to an extent ect ect.
You say that like its a bad thing
Daniella G Let it all hit me,fuck it all.
We're all going to die in the end so these so called "battles" don't matter in the long run.
How tragic that not a single person in my life growing up was like Peterson. I feel like I'd be trillions of lightyears ahead from where I am now if I had a role model like him growing up.
Me too!
Peterson is an intellectual genius, these people are rare to come across and should be cherished.
At least we've got his knowledge and can apply it to our own lives, god bless
For real
to do it😢
You can do it now, it's up to you. Most of us don't have perfect role models, even if we did we'd find them overbearing.
I wish I had these lessons in my life when I was a young 20-year-old man child. I am 36 now, lost many good women, I have no children, I am alone. There is still enough time to make sacrifices and accept my mortality. Sacrifice, you get to pick your damn sacrifice, that's all. You don't get to not make one.
well said brother
Same here. I recently lost a woman that could have been my wife… I knew deep down she was different.
I never been this hurt in my entire life. That was a wake up call to stop acting like a teenager a be a man. I’m 37.
Why don't sacrifice your progenesis?
37 here bro, it’s ok, we are late bloomers.
I’ve dealt with addictions, my uncles and friends suicide, multiple trauma accidents via cars, tire blown up in my face, PTSD, depression, etc.
But we are still here!
Make the best of it.
It started with replacing my worries with gratitude 🙏🏼
Not throwing myself a pity party
Stay Disciplined.
Stay Blessed.
Stay Up.
dude I'm forty and only started caring about getting my shit straight when I was about 33. It's doable and life doesn't have to suck.
"What have you been doing for the past 10 years ?"
*Existential crisis intensifies*
Hell, that s the crisis you want to dig through. That s the kind of crisis that makes you uncomfortable, but lets you grow up. The guy speaking in the video has got good points. On the other hand he's only telling what the peter pan syndrome is, he s stating what can be found in any psychology book. He s cool, yes, he knows a lot of things, but his perspective seems rather limited. Hell, are you kidding? Who wouldn't like to be Peter pan, living a life of adventures, taking life as a joke, laughing at life itself? Those who can laugh at life are the wiser amongst men, and can do everything. Who wouldn't like to be cptn Hook? Heck you fear time sure, who doesn't? He s got his own crew, a ship, he s a pirate, a most feared one, he s a rebellion against society, a man who fights for his own dream, for everyone s dream, even if he s got no hope, even if his dream seems stupid, even if he knows he gonna lose all the time. He s not an adversary to Peter, rather he s his other half. And yes they fight, as every man fights himself every day. Is Hook a bad guy then? And yes if you look at them from a bourgeois perspective Peter and Hook will look gray and flat and without hope, something wrong indeed. But that s why this guy is commenting Peter Pan and you could still write it.
@@francescogiacomopelagatti8221 It's not what others think about you, I could care less on the judgements passed on me by society. Your subconscious mind is the one that bites you in the ass depending on how you live your life in the form of the 'road not taken'. It effects you psychologically giving birth to various detrimental complexes and how you view yourself in the long run, just as much as how discipline effects you for the better physiologically and psychologically. So in essence no one would enjoy living the 'Peter Pan' lifestyle in the longrun, it will mess you up every time your subconscious mind chips away at you manifesting feelings of inadequacy and self-loathing. This is how depression, social anxiety and in worst cases schizophrenia come about. These things have a way of snowballing, even though you might not see it now.
@@chucknorrisffs maybe i didn't explain it well, but what i wrote was all about the self, not involving others. It s not about the peter pan lifestyle. It s about the crisis you mentioned in the first place. You have to dig through it, ride it. That s why i find the speech in the video limited in regards of perspective. Just don't kill your inner Peter, or you will wake up some day in your 50s watching behind you and struggling with the road not taken. Imagine what the world would be without Peters and Hooks, there would be no art, no music, no literature etc. Ok not everyone can be an artist, not one worldwide known at least. But that should not stop you. That s why i described Hook as i did, he s got a purpose, he s got a meaning in life. This is also the reason why most crisis manifest in the first place, in the forms you already mentioned. Ppl at certain points in their life discover a total lack of meaning, cos they gave away all they had to become something and now find themselves being only that something, which is not a meaning strong enough.
@@francescogiacomopelagatti8221 Fair point. I guess Moderation between the two is key and it's one of my hardest struggles in life..
@@chucknorrisffs if moderation works for you then let it be moderation. Everyone needs to find his own balance, which is btw different for all ppl. It s by no means very hard to obtain and even harder to keep. I wish every guy on the net was as wise as you, wish you all the best.
Don't reject advice just because it triggers you. In fact, that's exactly when you should be digging deeper.
OMG RIGHT. It's crazy, the advice that offends/pisses me off the most is usually what I need to hear the most (even when I initially discount it as being "stupid" or "pointless"). I wish more people were willing to put their pride aside and accept that
@@artawesome30 The problem is Brain. Many can't think critically or are socially inept and can blame disorders or anything else they imagine to dodge accountability for farming ass cells...and they strike out at jobs others can get.
It hurts but you gotta hear it if you've got a thick skull.
JP has some good points to make, and in some cases, offers sound advice. But this is not a one size fits all world. The man takes medication which sometimes leads to a sense of confidence and empowerment. This can be heard in his often fluent and eloquent articulation. This is not a model that Everyman should follow, and can lead to problems later in life. There is a honeymoon period while the patient is spellbound and literally unaware of the temporary soothing of the ego. They, whether consciously or not, are literally addicted to the sound of their own voice. Confidence and self esteem are abstract concepts that exist nowhere in the known universe. While it may be useful to convey confidence at certain times and behave stoically at others, detachment from ego and contrived goals maybe a better way to inner peace or contentment. I’m sure there’s plenty of men out there who are unhappy in their jobs and marriages that follow these self help books. Some maybe even hate or are hated by their children or spouse. I feel for these men that have tried so very hard.
Cam 76 wow. Seems like you have it all figured out then, huh ? Got any stock tips
This was exactly who I used to be. A great big man child. Had a life changing event happen in 2022 that made me realize the path I was on only lead to suffering and eventually death. Since then, I've reshaped who I am as a Person and my life has never been so good! Every single day is a truly a pleasure to live through, even when it's a hard day. I hope whoever reads this comment can see my joy and know deep down that it's possible to achieve where I'm at, because a little over 1 year ago, I was at the lowest rock bottom I've ever hit, and today (and most days) are highlights in my life! Keep those chins up folks, I know for a fact it gets better
I'm glad you're doing good. 2022 was also the year i hit rock bottom... But I realized i'm young, i still have time, and I don't want to waste it.
Very Inspired Testimony. I'm trying to move forward in my Life but I suffer with social anxiety which is really debilitating and is effecting my job. Fear is my biggest Giant. Fear is trying to hold me back from going forward. I already came along way but find I'm slipping back. I uses to let people walk all over me and bully me but now that I'm finding my Self Worth I have stood up against them and what I find is they are afraid to say it to my face directly and I've stood my ground and challenged them. They act all stupid when I confront them saying they were talking about someone else or make some stupid excuse. I'm finding my self Worth and will honor it and defend it.
@@andrewortiz5797 I know that you can do it because I've done it, and I was nobody. I believe you in brother. You got this
@@Beastly477 thanks man!! Let's see what Life does.
I watched this in hopes of an explanation for my brother. I was not disappointed. My father is Captain Hook and lost early in life and then became a tyrant. He is successful but got there by controlling absolutely every element around him and avoiding any risk whatsoever. Fortunately, I met someone and escaped as soon as I could. My brother moved back home and is still there at 43 with no prospects of a job, let alone a career. Porn addict, etc. Described perfectly here.
I am finally coming out of my man child stage of life. Admittedly, I pissed away all of my 20s by drinking, using drugs, and working dead end jobs. I mooched off my mom and familly because they enabled me to continue this lifestyle without having to pay Bills and be responsible. Unfortunately all of this stunted my growth as far as being an adult. I am now 30 today and doing stuff I should have been doing in my early 20s. It's okay though. Now I pay all my Bill's have my own place, car, decent job. I wake up at 330 am every day to workout before work and am going to pursue a career in fitness. I quit drinking and drugs and everyday strive to become a better version of myself. Do not baby your kids or enable your familly members. You will realize, through struggle, that you are stronger than you have ever imagined.
As a mother of a 25 yr old that I am enabling...thank you for those words.
Ok boomer
@@bdhdhdhhdhdhjd3073 nah I'm a doomer turned bloomer.
@@ericrobbins9396 great man i'm 19 going to turn 20 and your comment gave me alot to think about ty
That's for the comments guys. One thing I want to say that has helped me significantly is working out. I don't know if this will help anyone but the gym is a fantastic outlet that will also carry over in to other aspects of your life. It will teach you self disciple and also give you the confidence and self esteem boost to perform better in other activities throughout the day. Another thing I've learned to do is to write everything down that I need to remember. Appointments, bills, important dates etc this will help you be organized and succesful.
"You can be anything - but you're not anything."
The brutal Truth of being too flexible.
It's just simplistic BS pretending to be 'insightful'. Of course no one can be everything. Time and space are limited and one does need to specialize but narrowing your horizons (which is what this fake guru is pushing because he wants to CONFIRM bias and bigotry and injustice rather than fight it). All my life i have been learning, New instruments, new history, new foods to cook, how to parent etc. This man is poison and you only have to see how all the racists, women haters and neo Nazis love him to see where he really stands. He talks rationality but defends religion which is immature reality avoidance. He pushes psychedelics irresponsibly. To close not open the mind. This guy is today's Charles Manson with good manners!
Your just another minion for a false prophet. Who do I have to be for logic to make sense? Look at yourself, you don't know why I criticize him OR what Peterson stands for. He is exactly like Manson in what matters. Weak fools falling for a narcissist. He speaks rubbish very nicely though but he gets people to like him because he tells people what the WANT to hear (as Hitler did, which explains why Nazis like him so much). He loves all the attention (he's a plastic Jesus) but he is full of shit. Like Trump he LOVES the unintelligent who can't see how full of it he is. You say a lot of fools listen to him . On this one thing you are tragically right and that's the problem, Just like McFood, the more tools 'lovin' it', the worse!
Vlad Drakul+ When it comes to this specific point, I neither agree, nor disagree with you. It is not so simple as either you, or Peterson thinks in my opinion. And the idea that adulthood is about responsibility is a myth. It is, and was always about understanding. Forming an understanding of the world, is what makes you grow up. Responsibility is just one of the short-cuts(though I do not mean that as derogatory terminology, it is a legit path that grants a certain type of understanding. An understanding dependent upon what path and object/subject you become responsible for).
I believe that much like many other intellectuals, he has chosen to push these simplified perspectives because the masses are seemingly incapable of grasping anything more profound(and so he accepted the flaws, in return for the gains, in terms of societal constructs). Religion was the same.
Exactly, Andrew. The only way to grow (mature) as a human being is to experience life. Make your own decisions and take responsibility (i.e., accountability) for your actions. Jordan is stating the obvious (which resonates with a lot of folks).
Vlad: Gee, you don't seem like you have an agenda at all.
If Peterson is concise, it's simplistic BS; If he's verbose, it's a word salad.
Well? Which is it? Pick one and make an actual argument.
I’ve felt like this. The best step I took was to take a break from work, get sleep, workout and plan a career change. Working towards a career that excites you is so important
I'm 33, quickly becoming that 40 year old he warned about in the video. I haven't chosen my sacrifice. I haven't had to face that moment yet. One day, my parents will no longer be here to support me, and I will get hit with circumstance like running into a brick wall. I feel so gripped by my inaction, it has become a way of life for me ever since high school graduation. Depression sat in years ago, and I'm clueless as to how I should begin.
Just start from wherever dude, do any job. If you're eager and willing to learn and show up there are people willing to hire. Just don't wait to be prepared, just dive and do it. As you start doing some work, get into some routine your mind will start working and things will start working out itself. It will be hard at first a d there will be days you won't feel like doing it but the thing is to just do it. I've been there where you are and choose to take action not care about what people think and did whatever work I could find and suddenly I'm enjoying it and wonder why didn't I do it five years earlier but it's always better to do it now than five years later! So just do it, apply for whatever jobs are there and whatever I mean whatever once you're life looks like its on some sort of track, get some education on what you would like to persue as a career, it's never too late! Good luck my man!
I vowed to never do anything customer related in my 20s cos I'm very introverted. At 30 now, I wish I put my younger more energetic self out there to learn everything I could from tough choices
How are you doing now?
I had to be pushed to get a job I was so depressed laying around doing nothing but once you start being active life becomes cool again. Just go to a temp service and take a job.
Why the fk is it so hard? Just start doing shit that’s good for u that feel sucky. And keep doing it over and over. You lack discipline bc you gave up on everything that was hard but good. Get used to pain and discomfort or you’re screwed. And stop whining and playing dumb. U sound like a child.
Am I the only one who believes his speeches are like the conversations you have in your head?
No! And yes, I've also thought that to myself.
More like a printed book than what i have in my head, maybe close somehow.
@@francescogiacomopelagatti8221 A diary?
Worth to be written to a novel
That’s what Bill Maher basically said when JP was on his show. I agree with that what he says sounds, for lack of a better word, obvious. However, I think it’s his ability reduce us to our lowest common denominator and translate it so precisely into spoken words is remarkable. Thanks JP!
What do you wanna be when you grow up?
Me: save people
Oh, you wanna be a Doctor?
Me: i wanna be a plumber
As he said they have saved more lives
That's how we eventually defeated diseases like cholera and dysentery. Yes, vaccines and modern medicine were key factors but hygiene and plumbing made those advances stick.
Right there, you have a class divide.
You can save the princess as well, just find the right castle
It's-a me, Mario!
As a 20 years old female, I heavily relate to this. Being the first born, from my birth everyone has been congratulating me on my potential and ability without me having to do much anything. I also have the privilege to grow up in an environment that always cater to my needs, so overtime, I never take full responsibility for my decisions and trying hard in anything, my social relationships are strained or non existent and my future is really blurry. I have no basis knowledge of my studies and a clear sense of where I’m going, and I’m always making my parents worry because of my behavior.
I know I’m still young, but I’m afraid that I can’t change and I will become a burden to my family in the future, because it’s only now that I realized my Peter Pan syndrome is really severe.
You blame yourself too much and probably have ADHD. The future is blurry for everyone right now, find what you’re good at and work on it.
I will suggest u to move out and travel more alone
Same here. It's good that you see this now because once you've realized you have a problem, you're on your way to fixing it. You're not alone in being a woman-child needing to let go of adolescence.
Nah you will never be a burden. When I was 20 I started working towards my dreams, I achieved them when I was 24 and then lost them all due to Covid shutting down my business (I was a DJ and party organizer). Losing those 4 years and losing everything I had built made me realize that you shouldn't worry at all. Just spend your time having fun. If I could do it over, I'd probably choose to stay at home and play video games like I am now at 27 living back with my parents. Life is too short and you don't know what dumb things happen in the future. It is pretty much unpredictable and so making any planning is undoable and will likely not work out the way you want, which then could make you end up where you started. It's not worth it. Appreciate the life you've been given and be there for the people around you, they'll never see you as a burden.
One day will be in a better place my friend, till then we keep on going and giving our best
Reading all your comments really gave me motivation. Knowing that I’m not alone in this battle of going out of immaturity and making sacrifices.
To recognize your own immaturity is a sign of humility and growth. You are not alone, definitely.
If you embarked on a journey of becoming a mature man, feel free to use the ideas that I share on the Mastery Order Channel to build yourself into the kind of man you would admire.
All the best to you!
“Time has already got a piece of you”
His haters don't like the truth, so they want to shoot the messenger.
I was happy before I was alive, I can handle what's after.
This is what Pink Floyd " Time"is all about.
@@kenburns4547 How do you know you were happy before you were alive? When you weren't alive, you didn't exist. How can someone that doesn't exist experience happiness?"
As a 25 year old whose father left me at 13.. I apprecieate you Mr. Peterson.
Xavier Singletary roughly speaking
More power to you brother.
God bless you brother.
13 was the same age my father left
It was perhaps worse at this age
Strength and peace to you bro
That’s your dad’s loss. Was he the description of the man child?
My maturity hit me at 26.
Age 15 until 25, I've already given up on women and planned to establish a life full of video gaming, home theatre, home music studio, home gym, sports, etc.
Then I achieved all these and now learning the correct mindset and social skills in order to attract the ones I'm attracted to.
Props to you. I'm 22 and just had a divine masculine awakening and have been working behind my desk all day for the last month. Keep up the good work.
There is no mindset besides being "you". Legit. Anything else leads to bad relationship.
My friend is the biggest man child. He was a teacher for a year and then quit and said he wanted to ease back into it. It’s been a decade and he is still substituting 2 times a week.
i love how jordan recontextualizes disney movies from innocent childhood fantasies of whimsy and wonder into completely depressing relatable representations of the harshness of reality
saito he dissected the fuck out of the Peter pan story. Lol
The reason those whimsical wonders resonate is *because* of the underlying harsh reality! 👍
The story existed before Disney
Yes, and at the end of Peter Pan, he returns to London to find Wendy has grown up. She remembers the past, but he does not.
The ending of J.M. Barrie's Peter Pan is actually a sort of social tragedy - the boy who never became a man.
Peter Pan was a short story and then a novel in 1911, way before Walt Disney started Disneyland.
I'm 26 , soon 27. Damn that struck me to the core. I need to grow the hell up and pick my sacrifice.
Don't be an idiot, you don't owe a thing to anyone but yourself.
@@SovereignStatesman ^ me gusta eso
turning 27 in a few months lol
you can do whatever the fuck you want
im 32 i wish i was 27 again lol... jokes aside look at what u really wanna do and go all in guns blazing, dont quit ur day job tho. all i can say is look at it like a marathon not a sprint. eventually everything compounds..
I literally cry when he said you can be 25 and idiot. Makes me feel much better that I’m 26 and trying get my life together
Its very common man, we're all in this together and at least you're trying and giving your best
Hope you've come far. Don't forget that words like that can be harming also. Like it's giving a reason to take a break or to rationalize going back to bad habits. Take care!
Im 27 about to turn 28, I always knew I was being a man child especially at 25 I really started to see it. Because I paid attention to my dad and realized I was becoming him. I might have been smarter and more self aware than him. I was still becoming him. So I went homeless on purpose in a new city. Became home in my own skin, workered jobs, had the last relationship with a young women. Now going to trade school and work as a server for 9 months. A lot can happen in just a year once you really start applying yourself. It's not to late to start, but starting now is better than starting later. Move away from your parents dude, they are keeping you down on purpose.
Hahaha, mum would kick me out if I stayed home and did nothing. She was living by herself at 16 yo and encourages me to take risks.
I have been through Norwegian High School (doubles as trade school here), 2 year apprenticeship, 2 year vocational school which grants General Study Competency. I tried to go for a top up year to get a bachelor degree, but flunked out. Been working IT the last two years saving up money
I am moving out next year for Uni. Going to spend 3 years in a different city. This time, I am not failing and I will fight tooth and nail to avoid that.
I feel bad for the guy he's making eye contact with for this whole lecture.
Kryptnyt Like he's looking straight at you 🤓😣😎🤔😁
Kryptnyt I was always that guy in school, the ones the teachers seemed to talk to more often. I think it was because I was engaged and they could tell. It’s an energy exchange.
ahaha
Kryptnyt LOL
(camera moves in on face)
(eyes shifting left and right)
C. S. Lewis wrote: "The little boy chose security, the grown up man chose suffering."
No one in healthy mind chose suffering, this is the bullshit. I may understand a trade, but the pure suffering?..
Happiness is overcoming struggle, not evading it 💯
@@heyhoe168 He choses the suffering so the others are happy and secure.. then his job is done.
@@heyhoe168 the suffering is just an expression of effort in uncertainty and working towards what needs working
@@@heyhoe168 many saints choose suffering to experience life, Buddha is a prime example.
“You get to pick your sacrifice but you don’t get to not make one” this was nice to hear
Just turned 28 6’2 have my own business(5 years and still not very profitable) I go to the gym I dress well I consider myself to be an attractive guy, never had an issue with the ladies until recently I have nothing to show for,
No serious girlfriend, still live with my parents, only 1 friend who I rarely see now, little to no social life, I always feel anxious now and completely lost all the time, Jordan is right when he says adopt responsibility my parents have provided everything for me up to this point. I have this deep burning desire to feel my age and adopt responsibility and grow up but I don’t know where to start. Life of tough
wow. 36 years old peter pan here. in tears.
Don't worry, you are young.. joke. Ppl learn a career in 3 years or less, what I mean is if u start now -with full motivation- you can get your shit together by 40. Lets go!
24* it's tough without a male role model. I think I was always waiting for that call to action. No sob stories tho Ima manifest my own motivation...after one more video
I studied for my GED and went to a trade school at 36. Never too late brother!
I awoke at thirty and am still trying to figure out how to get up and stay up.
You cried because the penny finally dropped. As long as you're still alive you can change things. Some people never realise they need to change so you've already made progress
Plumbers also save Princesses, at least according to Nintendo.
If he marries the Princess, he now is a King!
So he is NO LONGER a plumber.
Yet he HAS BEEN one.
Yeah but because that girl can't go one day without being kidnapped he has to use his plumber skills most of the time, making him more a plumber than a king
Sim. Frischh Bwahahaha
a man? Sorry i'm out, that's so transphobic, have you ever asked him if he identifies as a man and which pronouns he prefers? No? Then you are literally Hitler.
MARIO , Right ?
Before you start feeling bad about yourself - remember that at the end of the day, happiness is what counts. All those years you were playing videogames and hanging out with your friends - this time is NOT wasted. You may feel regret about those years if you suddenly decide to buy a house and start a family (feeling of lost profit), but guess what - house and kids don't guarantee happiness either. I know plenty of married "grown-up" people who are miserable, angry and bitter all the time.
Growing up on q doesn't guarantee happiness and there's no single "correct" way to live your life. If you feel it's time for a change - great, go for it. Don't be greedy with time, accept your past and move on.
Also, finding your purpose is much, much more important and more productive than blindly imitating an adult.
Thank you brother, words very well spoken
Well said
It really comes down to discipline and being the leader in your own life. The days you don’t feel like going to work, to train, to eat healthy. That’s where we need discipline. Motivation just isn’t enough and it never will be because challenges WILL present themselves. Stay strong brothers.
I'm 28... I can feel the walls caving in... But I'm fighting & I will come out of the other side.. The sacrifice I have chosen is my comfort zone.
I quit my job at 28 (thinking I could find potential elsewhere) and went full on hermit mode on drugs till 30. One day I woke up and realised everything he just said in this video
@Ayor a alive and well thank you for asking. Went back to the job I quit as I was lucky enough for them to hire me back during tough times. Pretty much changed my mindset forcefully. I hope this method works
"To hold yourself accountable is to take control of oneself."
Accountable to who?
@@SovereignStatesman um.. given the context of the quote, that would be, obviously, oneself... to be 'good' to your mental, emotional, spiritual, physical health.
Me tooted
Never too late to turn your life around but the sooner the better. For me it happened two years ago (38 now) when seeking therapy after a particularly bad breakup. In stead of playing agony aunt like most therapists before him did, he made me realise I was wasting my life (unemployed, in a toxic relationship, very bitter and abrasive towards others) and the only way get out of this dead end street is to take responsibility for myself and start working. Doing this opened doors I’ve never dared to dream of.
Seeing videos like this, containg a similar message saddens me how demonised JP is. I certainly don’t agree with all his points and think he should stick to psychology but the way he’s being portrayed is discrediting how important he is for young men that are stuck in a rut and miss the ‘stern but fair’ kick under the backside.
Someone said when you're 30 you get the first glimpse of your own mortality. Very true saying. I'm 31 now and I realise no more time to play around, it's time to get serious and narrow down and achieve your life goal.
I used to have a saying: "Every lifestyle has it's price, it's a matter of choosing which price you're willing to live with".
I would add, "and what price you're willing to pay"
OldHogleg, I so agree, my father told me once "you can do whatever you want as long as you're willing to live with the consequences" ,similar and equally as wise.
Reminds me of a quote from American Gangster: Success. It's got enemies. You can be successful and have enemies or you can be unsuccessful and have friends.
Oldhogleg or without 😉😆
Kiliya 108 and that is essentially the meaning of RESPONSIBILITY. Responsibility breeds life direction and purpose. A lot of young people always ask for a greater purpose in life when they can even lift a finger for RESPONSIBILITY.
JORDAN "ROUGHLY SPEAKING" PETERSON .
thatd be a great name for his podcast
Jordan "as Jung says" Peterson.
Jordan "clean your room" Peterson
Jordan "lobsters are humans" Peterson
Jordan "as far as I'm concerned" Peterson
I'm still 20.
This was surprisingly motivating.
Don't let your year go to waste I'm just turned 21 I wish I did more this year
22 lol, but at least I have a career goal in mind.
To my subjective perception Dr. Peterson is the greatest and most motivating speaker of our time. All of us non-native english speakers listening to him, are blessed to have learned this language in terms of understanding such creative thinking.
Thank you for speaking out, what many of us are not capable of ❤
Perterson is spot on. I'm now in my 30s and it's amazing how differently people treat you compared to when you were in your 20s. It's like Peterson says, when you're young you have the excuse of being young and stupid, but when you hit 30 people judge you more harshly, like they now expect you to have all the necessary tools to become successful, and if your not, then you're just a loser by choice.
You seem to forget that winning and losing maybe relative. One persons junk maybe another persons gold. Judging people based on the number they are at maybe like trying to read palms and predict the future. His points are valid though, just that if not careful with these observations one can fall into a trap of overgeneralization.
For men, this is true. Not so for women, generally speaking. A woman "returning to work" after being out of the workforce for 10 years raising children, or even just being in a marriage without children, is welcomed with open arms. All she has to do is talk about the community work she did, or the volunteer work she did, etc.
A man will be laughed at, even if he spent the last 10 years travelling, learning and growing in other ways;, and is, in essence, a much better candidate than the above woman.
It's sociological bias. End of story.
And being sacrificial.. that's nonsense. Thats what is demanded by society, not what is demanded by The Universe.
Timothy Black, raising a child is a pretty bloody good excuse for a gap in your resume.
They only do those things to White men.
I think it has to do with looks.
At the age of ten I learned a great piece of wisdom from my stepdad that acted as the foundation towards maturity and playing it smart: "Stupid costs extra."
Stupid does cost extra but we have over used and abused stupid so much that now we are over populated with stupid.
@@neonshark6972 ...to the point where stupid is actually in demand. (i.e. Management)
@@imahelpfulperson its only a matter of time for when stupid people will be in a true furnished prison and jobs/labor will be filled with automation to produce FOR those in power.
Video games and social media are primary example of the beginning of furnished prisons.
Your stepdad is a very smart man!
lol. My dad used to always say: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It took me a while, but I figured it out.
This is me at 41, although I am a woman and mother, I never did much with my life. I was really pretty and used that to get things from men and married someone I truly love but who has enough money so I don’t have to work ever. My daughter is in school 8-3 every day and I do nothing, I have no direction. I dabble in things and then give them up. I just feel so ashamed of myself and don’t know how to motivate myself to be something more. I am a good mom though.
being a good mom is more than enough. Enjoy life!
Being a good mom is very important. Eventually your daughter will grow up and need you less. That's when you get to pursue your interests/ passions. Find those and pursue them.
Do something you're scared to do - anything that takes you out of your comfort zone. You won't grow as a person unless you put yourself out there and have new experiences that truly scare you. And I'm not talking about jumping out of a plane (although there's something there too), but starting a new job, a new college diploma, or some activity that takes you out of your comfortable bubble will be enough to make you grow as a person, create a sense of accomplishment, and open new paths to explore. All you have to do is commit to trying something that makes you feel scared.
Go for online college on part-time n do all the house chores on your own,,cook clean ,if u have a maid,,send her away and u will feel productive....Engage with Ur baby on her studies,,social life-go outside n play with her,,
@@ritanjoki8264 thank you guys for your ideas, it’s kind of you to try to help. I’m going to try to make a change, I guess it’s never too late.
I'm 28. Life has slipped away from me. I have no job training, no skills, no future. The Army has taken my best years from me. I just hope some employer will give me a chance in the field I've always wanted to go into.
It's too bad that the Army didn't work well for you. 14 years ago, the Army saved me from the Great Recession.
People would run to hire former army personal...trained in leadership.. Resilient.. Work well in teams and descipled.. What are you on about.. There is great respect for the military and the values it instills
If you're willing to do actual physical work, there is a huge market for skilled labor now. There are 6 month trade schools that can get you started in a real career for tiny fractions of college tuition. I payed my loans off in 3 years of working. Colleges dont tell their students that plumbers can make $120k/yr in the US.
2:15- "It is NOT a happy day."- Damn straight. Hit me at forty-one.
But I can still make choices, and I will. Life's not over until it's over.
Adam Honesty and decency, same here I’m 35 at my desk like damn he hit the nail on the head. But options still exist.
"It ain't ovah, 'till it's ovah; 'till the fat lady sings."
-Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
Yeah pretty much
May want to consider what Randy Pausch said in his Last Lecture on that (free quote): Don't beat yourself up over not knowing what you wanna be in life. Some of the more interesting people I knew in life did not know with 30. Some of the MOST interesting did not know with 40... Check it out!
Adam Honesty and decency its not over until u stop breathing 🤷🏻♀️ Nelson Mandela was a true example
"If you don`t go and get what you want you will die in a pile of what you did not wanted"
- Chuck Palahniuk
Dude Chuck is like this guy but without all the bitterness and insistence on natalism
@@AlexAlcyone it's not the thing you want that matters - it's the drive to get what you want, so you can spend your life steering your own ship and not just being pushed around, because then you can at least say you did everything you could to grow and find your own meaning
@@AlexAlcyone why do people have to remember your name for you to matter? What if you have a silent positive effect on others that ripples down through the next generations?
@@AlexAlcyone hmm, if that doesn't work for you, consider this: billions of years from now, the heat death of the universe will occur. Everything destroyed. All dimensions collapse, including time. Which means everything that has ever existed, everything that ever happened happen at once. Everything, everyone outside of time. It will feel like a still eternity without time to move events forward, experiencing everything in your past at once. Do you want that to be a pleasant experience? If so, live well, grow, invest in yourself, live in the moment.
Sweet. So there is light at the end of the tunnel.
God I wish I got to know dr. Peterson when I was in my twenties. Now I’m 43 and I had to learn these things the hard way. I think I’ve got things straight myself but it would have been a looot easier if I would have known this earlier. Good job dr. Peterson
Brilliant, so much insight packed into a short video. We are lucky, this is priceless
I just turned 35 and still haven't chosen a career. Been "thinking what to do" for the last 15 years. There are too many options, I'm not sure if I'll be good at it, I don't know if I'll like it. Same thing for 15 years.
Now I'm 35 very little job experience, no qualifications, IM NOTHING BUT POTENTIAL, an old infant and that's an ugly thing. I could be anything but I'm not anything.
Today I will choose to be "something".
I hope you did your decision
To be you need to act
I feel Ai will simply help me get the ball rolling and doing many things at the same time while adding complex meanings, memories, dreams etc. While being inside the matrix while being able to write multiple stories while moving forward in multiple realities and demensions. So time is no limit if you are engrossed in what you are doing. Since time is just there. You write your own stories.
I'm 30 and i have an engineering degree, i failed my masters, wasted years, had a couple of years of professional experience. Now in a different country and couldn't find a job for 3 years straight. Finally found a gig leaned from it, now doing it on my own as a business. Not something i wanna do for the rest of my life.
I can totally understand your situation, it's hard to pick a career as i do not want a career in my field and i wanted to get into IT but idk about that either. It's messed up when youre not passionate about something specific and want to only get into that field. Perhaps you are
Totally feel you. Good luck. 💪
Imagine comparing a 18 year old of today, with a 18 year old from 100 years ago!
To be fair, the 18 year old from a century ago had his hard work rewarded with good pay he could live off of, and he wasn’t being lied to from every angle.
You mean slaving in a factory for pennies? Yeah, pretty fulfilling existence.
@@theguybehindyou4762 A century ago, an 18 year old would likely have been brought up believing he had to either find work in the growing industries or labor in the farms, start and raise a family, and fight in the Great War or whatever conflict his country happened to be coming to at the time...
@SilentwarH Aint nothing easy about a wife and kids
@SilentwarH Easy and supporting a family are seldom in the same package.The majority of wealthy people work very long hours and shoulder tremendous responsibility.University (pleasure islands) just never explain that to us.Maturity ls not a left wing value.
I am the 'Puer Aeternus'. I am eternal child, and I find it hard to fully take on adult responsibilities.
I'm 27 years old. Currently, I don't have a job, I'm not in a relationship, and I'm relying on my family for financial support while living at home. I don't have clear goals, dreams, or much ambition, and I often doubt myself."
Im 35 and still going through it, Instead of throwing my early years away I actually went to prison. I did 4 years got out and turned my life around and got married. 10 years later "now" Im getting divorced and Ive lost my drive. Ive defaulted back to my life before prison and being married because its the only other thing I know. Thanks for helping me alittle here and there pull my head out of my ass CHAT, and Jordan. Sometimes the comments are just as worthy. 3:15 though, words well said. Hearing a different prospective on life is what alot of us need.
That really sucks man but you'll get through it. Never too late for change
I've the opposite problem. I was a massive over achiever in college and in my 20's, even breaking 6 figure salary by my 29th bday after a couple years in 90-100k range. But in my 30's all motivation and interest has collapsed and now i do very little and i can't see a point to anything. I'm not interested in my job or old hobbies or anything. I 'work' part time. I feel like I'm in prison. I can go anywhere in the world, but there is no place to go. Life feels like the matrix or the truman show. Whatever it was i was chasing with a fire under my ass when i was younger, i didn't find it. So now I'm almost 40. I have world class engineering skills, and tons of theoretical potential still, but i can't stay interested anymore long enough to do that much that is productive and i don't know what is wrong with me.
I go to work but can't focus. I go home and play games I'm not really interested in. I listen to youtube constantly for familiar voices as much as the ideas. I was married once at 24 for a year. That was awful. I also had a girlfriend for about 2 years from the ages of 32-34, but i was paranoid about a lot of signs that she might be cheating, and after the about the first year or so we fought constantly. Was insecure about a number of things in the relationship so we broke up.
Somehow i use to believe in the future and that if i worked hard I'd build my dream life. And i did a lot. I still live abroad. I worked in the game industry and space industry. But i never managed to be or find what i thought i was or was aiming for. And i don't know what the meaning is. It's like I've reverted to a younger irresponsible person after initially skipping that phase, or something. At least I'm debt free. But there is no meaning anymore and i find it almost impossible to contribute to society like i think i should now and can't seem to maintain work and study and exercise habits that i was religious about in my 20s. I think i just didn't socialize enough when i was younger. Usually didn't feel i fit in for this reason or another. Idk.
And here i am writing youtube comments because my brain seems averse to focusing on real tasks. I didn't use to be lazy. I'm not sure how to change it or to care again about a lot of things. I feel like i already missed what was really important in life, or something. Maybe i never knew. Or didn't know how to find it. Or.. idk. Maybe there was always some wall in the way of misconception or misunderstanding.
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Jeremy Gross Well, Mr. Gross, sounds like you're going through a midlife crisis.
Alienation, disincentivised, lost. Time for some navel gazing. If you are financially set, go on walkabout and try to find yourself. Doesn't really matter where you go, but some popular stops are Europe & India. Get out of the rut. The first step is the hardest. Unplug, read some philosophy, don't be afraid to talk to folks, don't be afraid to get burned.
Isaac Robin I live in Europe now for almost 10 years. I only seem to be good at talking to people in certain rare moods, especially strangers. I've gone on whole holiday trips before, even to Africa, but not managed to talk to anybody that wasn't staff of the hotel or whatever.
As for the other commenter about Jesus: I use to be Christian and in fact was home schooled a young earth abstinence only creationist, but it all fell apart under scrutiny. One thing i like about Peterson is his retrieval of something useful out of religion when all evidence points to the fact it cannot be true in a literal sense. In fact it's safe to say i "chased Jesus" so hard it made me an atheist. In my late teens and early 20s i read the bible hours a day. I once read the whole thing in 4 months cover to cover. Everyone said "God would speak to me", but i found that "God" sounded like an angry schizophrenic that was incapable of telling me anything i didn't already know, and endlessly threatened me with my worst fears and promised me my greatest desires, which if course was completely contradictory demands and statements. People said those voices weren't God, and i was like, yeah I've worked that out. But no matter how hard i tried, the real "God", if there was one, was unable or unwilling to cut through the noise i couldn't shut out and talk to me. I eventually realized prayer was just talking to myself and since i was not divine (at least not in that sense), i slowly became agnostic. My education along with my personal search through religions and the lack of religion, some philosophies etc i eventually concluded that if there is a creator of any sort, it's not described accurately at all by any major traditions. Evidence shows parts of the bible, for example, to be outright false and or self contradictory. In my late 20's i officially took the label of agnostic atheist.
But i realized about the age of 25 that 42 was the supposed answer to everything as a likely parody of the easy nonsense answers offered by religion, like "Jesus is the answer to everything." Because my own experiences made me naturally think about that time: "if Jesus is the answer, then what is the question?" And suddenly Hitchhiker's made a lot more sense.
Despite my contradictory replies, i appreciate the comments.
Bonnie Brown You can Skype me if you wish. But the cynical side of me should point out that I'm not as rich as i probably sound in these posts. I've been working only part time for much less money than mentioned for some years now. So if you are looking for some rich guy to carry you around to Dubi or wherever on holiday, or who will make for a good divorce fleecing, I'm not your lottery ticket. If you have real questions that's another matter. But I'm not unaware of Game, gynocentric laws, Hypergamy and all the rest of it. I will walk away from any bullshit in a hurry as I've no patience for it left. That said I have lots of information and experiences on many things if asked about it correctly. Yet as Allan Watts claims Zen Masters say: I have nothing to teach. ;)
Jeremy Gross start nofap
Don't know why people hate this man
He's just brilliant
He speaks the truth and that is enough for some very closed minded people not to bear a millisecond of it.
There is a growing class of modern humans who can't handle the truths of life... Realities that are too harsh for them, and they don't want to hear it from anyone.
People hate him? 🤦🏽♀️
@Hippo Pilot People need a sense of purpose in order to find fulfillment.Joining causes is a poor way but none the less popular method of going about finding it.
I don't hate him but I think he's a windbag who thinks he's Gods gift to mankind.
As someone who’s 37 and came late to the states and graduated school but couldn’t find a career and ended up having family, I can tell you this is 💯 true.
As always Dr Peterson hits the nail on the head, his interpretation of university is particularly insightful and applies to the UK as well. Despite the academic achievements that led to going to university and graduating with a masters I quickly realised when I embarked in my career I was for all intents and purposes still a teenager and my attitude/mentality was so underdeveloped and immature I really struggled dealing with the real world. I'm now 28, have a well paying job and great career prospects thanks to choosing to sacrifice all the bullshit I couldn't let go of during and after university. This needs to be taught at school or I fear this will be a generational issue moving forward.
Heal your inner wounds and become alive. Opinions of society wont matter when you freed yourself from yourself. Feeling ashamed that you havent accomplished anything in societys eyes is being unkind to your self. Most humans accomplish things on the outside but never heal their ancient wounds. And that is the most profound journey to undertake. Everything falls into place after that
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1 Life You have no idea how bad I needed those words. Thanks for being you 🙏🏻
Face fears head on 🤨
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True, very true. Life will shape you so you will grow up but you have to take the initiative to heal your inner self, no outer pressure will make that happen naturally.
Speaking as a person who is 32, I can not afford college and I did mediocre in high school...PLEASE PLEASE if you're young, please try tour best to do well at an early age. Even if you are against this structure we live within, just grow within it and try to make it better. Seriously, once you hit 30, people look at you differently...and yea, I'm just BEGGING all the younger ones out there PLEASE listen to JP, he knows most of his shit:!!! I only disagree with him on a couple of things...but not easily...he is so smart...please do your BEST even if it is hard.
Killing Jokes I second this. Seriously. You do not want to hit your 30s without education or a good career in place. It is horrifying.
and please don't smoke weed. It is the biggest time waster and potential killer on earth.
I believe that the worst thing that you can say to someone starting out is "you have time, don't worry". You only get to be young once. You start getting old and forming lifelong habits and the longer you wait the harder it is to change. Get those good work and social habits down now.
It's not too late for you. You may not get to be what you ideally envisioned for yourself, but not all is lost. I don't know your personal situation (whether you have kids or other responsibilities) but I have seen single mothers with 3 children turn their lives around. If they can do that so can you. The struggle is not over until you're dead.
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Complete lie.
Cannabis increases one's thirst for knowledge and facilitates an expanded consciousness, along with increasing one's self-reflective capacity.
There's a reason we have a 500+million-year-old endogenous cannabinoid system! It turns out that all humans make cannabis compounds, and they regulate pretty much all major biochemical processes from conception till death! (cardio, nervous, immune, endocrine, digestive, muscular, etc)
Cannabis can literally align one with the evolutionary process that leads to higher complexity and increased self-awareness!
Cannabis is one of the greatest things in terms of its vast benefits and uses.
My goals in life have elevated and become more profound because of Cannabis use. Just use it responsibly, and it can be the life change that we are looking for!
It literally aligns us with the evolutionary pattern of increased endocannabinoid activity!
That reaches me hard as a musician. To be honest apart from the joy of playing for not enough to make a living I’ve been feeling a very low self steem compared to anyone with a real job and family. And I am in my 40s.
I watched this video some years ago and now I'm rewatching again. What a relief to choose, embrace consequences and grow up.
Never thought I'd hear tinker bell be called the fairy of porn
Haha from a clinical phycologist too
Why not?
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2D waifus, in zoomers translation
I think the idea went over your head. Without a mother and without really any real and tangible woman in a man’s life, a man can be tempted to indulge in the only women he may see intimately which of course are girls in pornographic videos. Tinker bell isn’t real and neither is porn but there’s an addiction to the false promise of comfort it provides even some much it releases the same chemical reactions in the brain as does an infant embraced by its mother.
I was 32 when i woke up and realized i had to grow up.. it wasn't enough that i had a wife and son prior to that. it is a lone journey to see yourself as something tangible and not whimsical. My realization is horrific, though, due to knowledge of wasted time.. But there is solace in knowing i have time to choose my sacrifices.
Same bro. I turned 32 in June and I'm catching up on a lot of things I've missed. This whole year has been a transitional series of moments in my life. Keep fighting the good fight and don't give up. Too much is on line at this point.
How is possible that you were not adult enough?
Even if the son, and the wife subsequently, were an accident, you got them, you were not expressing responsibility to them?
Hadn't you got a career?
What have you realized specifically?
You guys are backwards thinking. You should be happy you learned now instead of when you 62
Exact same boat as you.
Coasting along and then WACK! Like a hard strap over the ears.
Thank God video games actually became boring - it's just CZcams that's left that I need to leave behind.
PS I have 2 year old son and I'm living with his mother but none of it was planned. I'm not about to lie to you or myself that I adopted the responsibility willingly - it just happened to me but I thank God every day that it did.
University life was like a fantasy. Little to no responsibility, hanging out with friends daily, chilling, pretty girls everyday and everywhere. It distracts you from the real world which is full of struggles and not so fluffy. Once you leave that place life slaps you in the face with reality. I am learning to enjoy the ups and downs of life now. Though I cant forget how stress free and good life was at that time lol
As a learning disabled person I find this hilarious. The only thing I was slapped with when I finished school and moved out on my own was the shock of quiet and so much free time.
Well, at least you had an interesting life at University. I am planning to continue my education but much older now. Going to university after losing 4-5 years isn't good.
@@gabbar51ngh It's still good. You can't get your list time back. Enjoy the present.
An excellent social scientist and wise man. I wish we had more academics like him who use facts and not feelings to buttress his findings. He is astute and accurate.
I get so much crap from the people around me for wanting to convey this message. Living in Neverland is quite dire, adult-children feel so angry and distressed and lost, truly lost. They have no clue why. They are not capable of putting two and two together that they never did the work, thus they don't have the results. They confuse tyranny with being held accountable for their actions. I've had to fight a battle against lost boys and girls, angry adults that treat me like garbage because I do the work and expect them to do the same (my bad). They don't realize I'm not the enemy, they think the mess out there is put upon them when really it's the mess their party-lives left behind. Thank you for existing and verbalizing what is not allowed to many of us, Jordan Peterson.
I never had a party life and I became a lost boy. I never drank, did drugs, or socialized at all. Don't make assumptions. A lot of us have anxiety disorders from the way we were raised and poor parenting. Technology has damaged us psychologically as well. Games, porn, social media, smartphones have given us substitutes for traditional experiences and necessities. The rise of female empowerment has also decreased what many men have to offer women. If you can't attract a good woman without an absurd amount of effort then most men are gradually going to walk away from the responsibility. Feminism turned natural companions into competitors.
Oh I see, it looks like I'm saying that all lost people were party people. I agree it's not always the case; I'm sorry to hear you had a rough situation. We're usually not in control of our circumstances, nevertheless we are in control of our reactions, therefore we can decide whether to be responsible or not. I'm quite displeased with the lack of responsibility and accountability on the part of most of the adults that surround me.
I didn't mention feminism, I'm not sure why you brought it up. I will say, it would do men well to develop a sense of responsibility and self-respect. Girls don't want flashy macho type guys. In general women don't care about that, we care most for integrity, at least when it comes to long lasting relationships. Maybe it would help if you knew that also have attraction problems, we get frustrated, we compete, sometimes we feel like we have to put absurd amounts of energy to be noticed. I'm sorry but giving up is a choice, we all gotta deal with difficulties, so toughen up and go get em! ;)
@@bearifiablepau2095 Telling a guy to just toughen up is a joke meme which means you're clueless and out of touch. You are incapable of empathizing with the suffering of men. What I'm saying to you, if you could listen, is that there is no longer a benefit to become what you narrowly define as being a "responsible man." Women are now mens competitors, not their companions. Feminism and technology have broken the social contract. Marriage rates and birth rates will continue to decline. When I heard my brother's friend was getting married I felt deep sadness for him. I never told him, but I felt very sorry for what he was signing up for. It's like hearing your friend enlisted in an army. You're not ashamed of him, but you feel sad about it because he's potentially making the most regrettable decision of his life. I don't consider people who jump into things brave or tough, most of them are just stupid and naive about the consequences of their actions.
Thank you for your reply Z, I see your point. I was in a predominantly male college for some years. I understand what you mean by the death of social contract. Having said that, the non-existence of a social contract has nothing to do with lack of responsibility, of boundaries and of acting in humane ways. In those days I had a constant feeling of being downplayed do to my gender. Btw, I was never a player, I didn't dress provocatively nor sought to gain advantage out of qualities other than what schoolwork required (mostly intellectual); this perceived lack of femininity led to isolation, as I got no attention from supposedly smart guys; these boys constantly objectified women and idealized the image of perfect-looking women in front of me and other female friends. Some even resented women because of bad experiences, in other words, victim mentality -I might add, that we girls have bad experiences too btw. I'm sorry but most of these guys had no balls and were absolute hypocrites, crying because some pretty girl didn't want to be with them while at the same time systematically ignoring and downplaying their female peers.
Respect and consideration for others has nothing to do with gender in it of itself. What I enjoy about JP´s videos is that he has the capacity to present clear ideas, an tangible action plan for people, sometimes aimed specifically at men because of it's nature, and sometimes at women.
@@bearifiablepau2095 Men are very visually motivated regarding sex. So you say you didn't dress provocatively and then complain that you didn't get attention. You're complaining about a biological design of men. No different than a man complaining that women seek out men with more resources and competence. Most boys in college, let's not call them men because most are not, are looking for sexual experience. They're not thinking about women they want to marry or start a family with. What changed? It wasn't that way for my grandparents. To expect most boys today to want to be mature at 20 would require society to change in a way that rewards that goal. Married men and fathers aren't treated with any respect while sexually active guys are idolized by other guys and sought after by physically attractive promiscuous women. Married men are no longer seen as father-knows-best types, they're a bunch of simps who have their finances and decisions controlled by their wives and who retreat to a dark corner of their house they call a man cave. Every marriage today is tenuous at best and the costs to a man of a failed marriage are brutal. The costs to a man of a successful marriage are often brutal as well since raising/providing for kids is no picnic for men or women. This isn't an era where you're coming home from work and the pipe and slippers are awaiting you for your hard work. So what exactly is supposed to be the motivation for boys to hurry up and act like men? To get to your second marriage faster? Society caters to extended adolescence and encourages it with social media, dating apps, games, porn, movies, music and CZcams. So boys indulge in it because it feels good up until they reach a point where they realize that their lives have no purpose. They have no women and children to provide for and protect. The most satisfaction a man can get is to be so competent and useful that he can take care of others who love, appreciate and respect him. Ultimately I think everyone is losing today regardless of what choices you make. Responsible married men have a rough life. Carefree boys have a lack of meaning in life. Women who prioritize higher education and career goals are more likely to end up alone. Marriage isn't forever anymore so even if you get there you have poor odds for success.
Bottom line, why be responsible in a world where there is no obvious reward for it? Women used to make the rewards for becoming a man obvious, now it isn't clear if there is any reward at all.
"You're an old infant and that's an ugly thing" 😆
Alyssa Sharp, I sincerely hope you didn’t interpret that statement imagining a literal “old infant”. He’s speaking metaphorically for crying out loud, don’t be silly.
I’m only saying that because it isn’t actually something to laugh at, he’s making a serious point that should be taken seriously.
@@oceanside9508 Yeah, I caught that too. Ms Sharp isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, it seems.
@@oceanside9508 everyone gets that it is a metaphor you imbecile. Hovewer visualising the image of that is quite funny.
Helper's Corner, I am known to be somewhat of a jokester myself, believe it or not.
But this particular “joke” just rubbed me the wrong way. To me, this was like trivializing and joking about a sad tragedy. The tiny bit of humor to be found in this ridiculous literal interpretation of a metaphor is heavily outweighed by the tragic core of the statement.
I didn’t mean to be a debbie downer and put down other people’s fun. I guess the topic just personally hit somewhat close to home and because it is, in its essence, quite a dumb and childish joke. But there’s nothing wrong with that, I just didn’t find it very fitting given the seriousness of the topic, in my opinion.
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Erase all your comments. You can do that you know.
Jordan, you are for sure the father i always need. Thank you!
Nothing he tells me I could be, I want to be. It’s not who you are, it’s what you do, nothing more, nothing less.
Im 33 now, I’ve learned a lot and with that knowledge, I’m going to make myself a very very very relaxing life with the only responsibility being myself and the people I work with. No need for a woman, no need for a child, no need for an own company or own employees. This is the stuff you need to sacrifice to be happy. With being 33, most people are jealous.
Don’t define yourself, only then you are everything.
I know the feeling. I woke up at around 27 years old. Highly introverted, haven’t spoken to people for nearly 10 years. I had to construct a social life and find things that I like as fast as I could. I’m 32 now. The social life part is still complicated but I found a few things I like that take up my time in a healthy way and I’m a few years in a psychology career. And I love it. Not pretending there. It can be done but I always felt the hardest part to take actions was being really aware of things I already knew. Conciesness of who I am has really taken me a long way
@barbara Corcoran this person above me is insecure about their own career.
this is insanely inspiring thank you because I want to become a psychologist too
Can you share what you did to meet people, I have no social circle anymore in my 30s and don't say bars
@@joshfromtwitch7759 that’s never been easy for me. I do treasure the few friends I have but i still struggle sometimes. If i had an answer I would say that work has done wonders for me. I Pay college working in a factory. For the first few years I mostly kept to myself ( like most of my life) but I started to learn a few things. I became dependable and people started to look out for me. I guess that actually knowing how to do something right made the anxiety go away (sometimes). This was 10 years ago and one step took me to the next. You have to put yourself out there. It’s going to be uncomfortable and awkward sometimes but there really is no other way.
@@joshfromtwitch7759 u have any hobbies u wanna start?
"Never eat yellow snow"
-Abraham Lincoln
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“I said great googily-moogily!”
"How the hell do I turn this thing off" -Atilla the Hun
"Never Eat Sea Weed" - Cyanide
@ "Eat Seaweed "-- The Beatles, KELP!
Nanook!
Just turned 21. Worked within engineering for the last 3 years and this really spoke to me!! Great man you just have to listen!!
So many gems in one short video. This guy is truly a gift to us!
This video was a wake up call for me when I watched it a year ago. The way Peterson jumped from a young 20 something with potential to the old infant sent a shiver down my spine. Fear of failure never really resonated with me throughout school/university. Then 18 months flew by after I graduated and I was still a manchild (at the time of first watching this video). Moved cities, got a decent job and actually bear real responsibility for the first time in my life. I wouldn't say I've found "meaning", but it's better than delaying the inevitable/trying to convince myself that I was happy being a NEET.
+Apostolic Hawaiian software dev
you'll never find a meaning only what keeps you off suicide
Good for you man.... I'm still in the process.... Goin to college rn
@@MsNezbet how'd you do it school, self taught?
Yeah dude, how did you get good enough to be paid/get a job as a software dev? Did you teach yourself or did you go [back] to college for it or take programming courses?
I am 30, and this resonates with me. I haven't got any particular qualifications and I actually don't know what I want or where to start.
Jarrad, Meh... women absolved themselves from their traditional gender roles back in the 70s and the responses to that are: "you go girl" "strong independent women" "female empowerment" "future is female" thus... I have no qualms with my child man status as I have absolved myself of traditional gender roles. I do have my own business, house, etc, but I refuse to be the male workhorse who is not appreciated.
Jarrad Hurley at least you've realized it.
Jarrad Hurley I didn’t know what I wanted to do either. So I took an aptitude test which pointed me towards healthcare. I did the schooling and am now a surgical nurse. That time of restriction (schooling and the start of a career) will eventually open you up to more opportunities. You can do this.
I'm 32 and just off heroin and decided to start studying maths and physics and going to night classes.ive done my first year and it was one of the best decisions I have ever had.just pick something you love even if it's a ridiculous outside shot,wait till u see what doing an hour a day does.go for it man,u can do it I promise
Jarrad Hurley I would ask someone for help. To give a guiding hand
Happy to see this back in my recommended. Last time I watched it, I was 27 or 28 and scared to talk to anyone outside of family. Today, I'm 29 have been doing volunteer work for the past 6 months and have been recommended a job by my manager and have gotten approved for an interview for a full time position available.
That peter pan.
Absolutely brilliant!!!
At 42 I wish I'd discovered this video at 32. I could have had a great plumbing business by now!
You can do it bud. Im 41 and believe in you!
I'm 102 and I believe in you nigga
Easier then it sounds. Someone else with cheap labor from Mexico will under bid or under price you so you would have to be cheap as well which will make your economic growth slow down.
Ray Kroc bought a hamburger stand at 52...keep pushing!
@@naylik2562 lol
People are addicted to instant gratification these days, watching tv and movies, playing video games and always wanting to be that cool guy from the movie while never even beginning to take a step and work towards that goal.
Covert narcissists !
fictional heroism
But people that MAKE movies, video games, are better!
Which is actually proven to be a physiological inevitability, related to early development in the home life in regards to things such as financial stress, those without it form a more developed part on the frontal lobe responsible for immediate vs delayed gratification, visa versa with stress and namely financial stress this same area becomes predisposed to venture towards addiction and immediate gratification. One of the true aspects of sociological construct cause and effect one should consider accounting for
True , as a karate teacher I see it all the time . They want a black belt but don’t want to put in the time and effort to earn it .
I think the fear of this message is outweighed by its importance.
Maybe culminating forces in my own mind try and prevent me from watching this, but the interest and curiosity I have in learning through his lectures far outweighs any fear of him describing my own life.
I'm so happy that we have JP around because I would probably be a "lost boy" without him.
Humans are nothing but potential, it's not just the case with children, but adults too. All it takes is that special unique something which resonates with an individual.
Jordan Peterson's one hell of a philosopher, and I love these older videos even more than his newer stuff. They've aged like fine magic.
More and more men are experiencing a mid life crisis through stories posted online, having never actually gone through the real events that cause it. It sucks because that roadblock has been shifted to a zone where men are supposed to be at the prime in their lives. We overthink and don't act because we've convinced ourselves that we can see the future and the future is bleak. So what's the point of continuing on this road? This barrier is hard for adolescents to overcome because they already have so many other societal expectations they have to meet. It's now impossible to block out the future and we have to deal with it somehow. It's not fear of the unknown but the fear of the known that's hindering development, and that is even worse.
Everyone needs to see this comment.
@@freshness222 I saw the road i was going to a full time 9-5 life with debt so i ran away from it by doing nothing only playing video games lmao now im just thinking about starting my own bussiness and working but never wanna become in debt and be in risk of not able to pay it off
Your post means well, but it is steeped with fear. All the mid-life crisis means is that you have a newfound appreciation for what's really important. A mid-life awakening, it truly is.
You cannot be afraid to seize what makes you happy. Time is of the essence, and your McJob certainly can't pay you with "time."
I don't know.about mid life crisis but I totally agree with your comment... I am in my early 20s and I seriously feel like I know what's gonna happen if I choose a certain path career wise and am feeling stuck where I am... anyway good to know more people face this issue these days
@@sush6680 I'm 35 years old. Please do not put your head down at your job like I did.
For 6 years...
Choose Your Sacrifice
no. The only way to win is not to play.
Gay rage will destroy us all.
or take LSD to escape you existential crisis and wake up as a 70 year old hobo begging for money on the streets.
My damn sacrifice, rather. There's a proverb in which god says to mankind, "Take what you want, and pay for it". Truest statement I've ever read.
Difficultfuckhead Don't be difficul...
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I am listing to Peterson over and over. Every time I get hooked.
I'm 50 ,yes 50 and still a man child!! 💪💪. You don't have to become anything in life!
What have you done that you could be proud of.
@@pandesal450 nothing being proud is nothing more than ego gratification. When you finally realize you don't have to become anything because there is nothing to become that is liberation!
Haha