When the Waters Rise (Part 2): Priorities and choices in BC's Lower Mainland
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- čas přidán 11. 08. 2020
- When the Waters Rise is a two-part video series from 2020 that offers an overview of Fraser River and coastal flood hazards in British Columbia’s Lower Mainland, the expected impacts of a large-scale flood in the region, and opportunities for flood risk reduction:
Part 1: Preparing for the big flood in BC’s Lower Mainland
Part 2; Priorities and choices in BC’s Lower Mainland
The focus of the videos is large-scale Fraser River and coastal floods, which are the floods most likely to have widespread impacts across the Lower Mainland. Other types of flood, however, can also be serious. These include periods of heavy, sustained rainfall, such as the atmospheric rivers that resulted in the Nooksack River flooding of Sumas Prairie in November 2021,
Work continues in 2022 on a Lower Mainland Flood Management Strategy (LMFMS), with participation of governments and other organizations with flood management responsibilities or interests in the region. Participants provided input on a preliminary working draft (Draft 1) in 2021. However, more work is ahead to strengthen the initiative, ensure the full participation of First Nations and determine common strategic directions.
Some communities in the region are also working on local priorities for flood risk reduction. Check with your local government or other local authority for information on local flood plans, flood works and flood risk reduction in your community. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Its interesting how they predicted a 1/500 chance of it happening but only in SPRING! Not right before winter... what are the odds?
The 100-year 500-year flood event concept isn’t new and it isn’t “prediction” system. It is frequency analysis used to estimate the probability of the occurrence of a given precipitation event. The 500-year flood refers to more severe flooding events, less likely to occur with the same frequency of a 100-year event. Municipalities in BC make 100 and 500-year flood maps available to anyone. So a person considering property to buy or rent can look up where the property stands in relation to 100 and 500-year flood areas. Traditionally in the lower mainland of BC, floods occur due to snowmelt in the spring. There’s no way to predict how severe a flood event can be or when it can occur. Authorities can only use statistics and models to gage areas more likely to be affected. With climate change, there’s no telling how much intense future weather events can be because, as the word “change” suggests, this is new. Governments may put into place a whole array of infrastructure supposed to withstand severe weather and still be overwhelmed. People need to take responsibility for their own well being and realize our way of life requires adaption. People may in the future need to leave certain areas altogether.
@@catscattying943 - Great response and very informative explanation.
Thanks.
The recent Floods in bc arnt those 1/500 Floods. This was tame compared to the worst that has happened
These predictions are the excuse for not allocating more funds for increasing height of flood barriers. "1 in 500, Oh, that's alright, it'll be decades before we need to address the risk of flooding. Someone else can pay for it."
What’s maddening about this is that this report is from a year ago and that previous floods haven’t created the type of action plan needed to deal with what we are experiencing today November 2021. While we can’t control the weather they were so many other mitigating actions that could’ve taken place prior knowing that the current flood was possible. The problem with governments is that they all prefer to kick major problems down the road for someone else to deal with instead of being proactive and dealing with things upfront regardless of whether the entire population is on board or not.
I'm from NM and have been watching NW flooding 11/21. And now watching "When the Water Comes" I wonder how or if all those well intentioned words helped in any way with current flooding. Like it or not 'water' is winning which makes me kinda ok with being 85!
The government can’t help you, people should’ve prepared themselves they had warnings
The NDP needs to focus more on infrastructure, not just lowering daycare cost.
What's maddening is NOTHING has been done....Nothing...They've known about this for years and years and yet not one government has been proactive in actually doing something about this. Instead we are billions in debt for an Olympics most of us didn't want to begin with. I wonder how far $65 billion would go in solving this problem??? It's a little late now in light of recent events, but I can almost guarantee we WILL see another event like this in our lifetimes.
@@motherofone1 Oh, well, they could let the lake come back since nature wants what it wants. It is time to listen to the earth and listen to the sky. They both are talking.
" and ultimately, put it into ACTION"
The area where sumas lake sat in the 20's has sunk 20' due to subsidence. That means less water needed to flood just as bad now. Just like in California, Corcoran valley used to be a giant lake that they drained and the land has sunk 26' in the years since. Land will continue to sink and thus making flooding more prominent unfortunately.
meanwhile we just approved logging more old growth in watershed areas on the Vancouver Island. Now that's what I call taking action!
Knowing that there were strategies in place, I'm thankful that it must have helped to some degree, but now
we know more was needed!
not really the job of engineer is making acceptable compromise between safety and cost and clearly the engineer went too far with building highway in area prone to water erosion the washed up roads all built on compacted soil which is not ideal but cheap but today they found it's very expensive decision hopefully they won't rebuild it with same method because of lack of money
Having lots of meetings and plans, but no one actually warning people before it was too late.
Well no one paid attention. Such a shame.
I wish you all the best.
Well, the current situation confirms what they said.
Is there a future for the farms in the lower mainland if they predict a 39% flood increase?
yes if they ban the lumber industry and manage the forest like indigenous did for thousand of years only cut the sick and unproduction trees and a fine if you cut a healthy tree otherwise it'll get worse and soil will have much less capacity to hold water
@@NoobGamer-sc9lt That will only help a bit . The area where sumas lake sat in the 20's has sunk 20' due to subsidence. That means less water needed to flood just as bad now. Just like in California, Corcoran valley used to be a giant lake that they drained and the land has sunk 26' in the years since. Land will continue to sink and thus making flooding more prominent unfortunately.
@@superflyguy218 I watched video about sumas lake and how closed minded government messed it and yes this is only the start it'll get worse in coming years
They drained the Sumas Sea. Live in the sea bed , then complain when the water take back it's place.
But you don't understand. It's not because they drained, and pumped the Sumas Sea then built multi million dollar dairy farms there. It's caused by 'Climate Change, and Global Warming'! (LOL)
@@edwardschwenk3100 LOL. They have been pumping water from this sea bed for over 100 years. shut the pumps down and the area woul be flooded in less then 24 hours.
It’s not a “sea bed” …
And a breach in Washington State’s Nechako River sent the water to us … it’s an international incident.
@@smallstudiodesign Agree it is not a sea bed , It is a 80 square kilometer lake which was fed by many small streams and some rivers in spring and winter. and to this day is fed at a rate with ground water that would fill the lake in 24 hours if the pumps failed. why do we continue to allow people to live in this lake.
Sumas First Nation built on higher ground, unaffected by flooding in former LAKE bed. Appearing to be the smarter ones as per usual.
so the answer is a new lake put in it's place by possibly a Dam purely there to mitigate flooding
It's really officially the time,... to take the actions 🎬 stay safe 🙏 everyone
Élection promises and speeches is over, enough talking the Mighty Lord said 🙏
This autumnal bc flooding was Caused by the removal of Sumas lake
Blame is placed on an an atmospheric river. An atmospheric river, or AR, is a large, narrow stream of water vapor that travels through the sky. It can stretch to 1,000 miles (1,600 kilometers) long and more than 400 miles (640 km) wide, and on average, carries an amount of water equivalent to 25 Mississippi Rivers, according to Marty Ralph, a researcher and director at the University of California San Diego's Scripps Institution of Oceanography.
Interestingly, many people have stated they never seen such a rain fall in such magnitude and the flooding happen so quickly. Could be a plausible cause along with utter incompetent buffoons in flood management.
@@musicbycandlelightmbc3225 clearly you misunderstood me. It may have been an AR that brought the water, but it collected where the Sumas lake used to be.
@@Bastillius Clearly, I know the lake was drained and damned ages ago. You need to put fkn water into the valley to make it a problem. Without the weather condition(water), it would still be dry. Thus the cause is not an empty basin but the amount of water that accumulated into that pit where every body was residing.The Natives however went to higher ground and were not affected. The accumulation and degree of 'water' that fell caused the flooding from the AR. No rain or water, no flood or issue. That is like saying your empty cup was the problem and not me pouring water until it overflowed. I misunderstand jack sht.
The NDP Government needs to take infrastructure upgrades more seriously!! All of this was known for the Great Flood of Nov 2021!!
You're ignorant. These risks have existed forever and all governments have ignored it.
Build in a flood plain and light a fuse.
@@ml.2770 Yes sweetpea but the who is the government in power NOW has to deal with it!! Get a life!!
@@noelgenoway9360 You still mad bro?
@@ml.2770 Not mad at all! The infrastructure upgrades have to be dealt with. The George Massey tunnel is another ticketing time bomb!! The government of the day has to deal with some tough tough issues! The government knew it would take about $400 million to upgrade and repair the dikes on the Sumas Prairie. This was not done. Now the cost will be in the $2 to 3 billion dollar range!!! If not higher!!
Oops, not done soon enough
Well , they have been trying to bring down the real estate prices. This should do it.
Nope, it won't. What it will take is Vancouver being hit with an earthquake of 8 or higher on the ole Richter scale. Something that would flatten 3/4 of the city. The other thing that would work is for Canada's economy to totally implode to the point where five million dollars won't buy a loaf of bread. People starving, due to money being worthless. Massive hyper-inflation. I doubt this flood will lower real estate prices at all.
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Most of this land we have along bodies of water should be public use land.
The people living there wouldn't help me when my children wanted to go hiking along the river, so i feel the same way back at them, too bad, and leave us alone, figure it out for yourself they told my family...
Or 2021!!!
Why doesn't the government just ban floods?
a day late and a dollar short.
Tbh this flood is a wake up call for what's to come.
Don't buy land on a steep hill or a flood plain. Floods, earthquakes and landslides hate this one simple trick.
Maybe we should allow our floodplain farmlands to flood. We could get some of that natural fertalizer while also taking pressure off cities built on floodplain
I was here
This part 2 repeats too many points in part 1.
Interesting contrast between here in B.C. where we've left ourselves completely vulnerable to flooding and Japan where they have invested billions to protect major urban areas utilizing world class engineering such as seen here: czcams.com/video/Rp2l6nFIsZA/video.html
japan spent billions on those underground tanks , its amazing biggest in the world
And now it has happened. Not action, but BC's reaction. Sad!!!!
Don’t need a computer model now LOL
Lessons learned stop studying and start acting. And on another note why is the new st pauls hospital getting built in a flood zone.
What the hell did these politicians do? Nothing
Politicians can’t help anybody
You need money. The government doesn’t have unlimited funds for every project.
@@Dept246 There is limited Agricultural land in BC. Very limited as most of the province is mountainous terrain. That is why we are only of the most restrictive provinces in preventing development on farm land. Abbotsford is a significant portion of our food supply. Isn't food the one of the most important pillars of society?
Climate change is a natural phenomenon that you fail to include in this story.We have active volcanoes all over the world right now which cause alot of climate scenarios.Then we have the moon which controls our ocean tides.Mother nature can't be controlled.This flood will happen again.We also just had the longest eclipse in 600 years.I hope people are able to recover from this tragedy.
Why do people continue to build in Lake beds and Deltas. Let mother nature do what mother nature does best. People move to high ground, use some commonsense.
Sounds like a large ball was dropped. All talk and no action doesn't work. Shame on the provincial government of BC. This catastrophic event could have not necessarily been avoided but surely could have had a better outcome. I am so sorry for the people of British Columbia, especially the Indigenous people who have been treated like garbage for years...I lived in your beautiful province, Ootsa Lake in 1961 and was well aware of how disregarded you were.
Hilarious how people bitch and moan that public servants don’t have a crystal ball to predict every catastrophe. Every natural disaster is deemed 100% predictable after it happens. The public doesn’t seem to look at their own responsibility- eg due diligence when buying property. Houses in low laying lands, houses by rivers, creeks, or other streams, houses near the ocean. Sure they can be beautiful spots and some are even somewhat affordable. But we need to be conscious of the risks and not expect the provincial government that took office only in 2017 to weather-proof the entire province. I was land shopping in 2019 and looked at a lot of properties in the areas of Princeton, Vernon, Shuswap, Cariboo. Always asked myself each and every time: how close am I to water, how steep are the surroundings, how good are the roadways, how many escape routes are available. Saw a lot of places accessible only by a bridge, places meters away from a lake or river, places near steep slopes, entire communities with only one access route. Wildfires, foods, landslides, blizzards are NOT new things. They are becoming more frequent and more intense, but have always happened. We are all full aware of the danger of earthquakes. Does it stop people from buying houses in low-laying land near the coast? No. People choose to ignore the ground in those areas can liquify if a strong enough earthquake hits, similar to the one in the 1700s. Forget about building houses that are “earthquake-hardy”. Nothing is ready for when the ground sinks underneath you. Someone might ask, “Why do authorities allow construction in those areas?” And I would ask back, “Do you think people would accept it if the government disappropriated whole neighbourhoods on account a big earthquake MAY strike in their lifetime?” We want authorities to make it all “safe” for us, but we don’t want to make concessions and take responsibility over our own decisions. Anyone who chooses to look at BC’s geography can recognize there’s no safety here. There’s only hoping for the best.
Solution: Send in the Dutch!
HAARP !!!!!
Canada reaps what it sows. It's contributed hugely to CO2 emissions & climate change & plans to continue to do so for many more years. Trudeau bought a pipeline & uses Canadians' taxes to subsidize the fossil fuel industry. Harper refused to transition workers & energy production out of oil & gas. People want well paid, secure jobs in industries that don't cause this damage. Canada's shame is that families in countries that never contributed to climate change also have to experience these disasters. Totally wrong to wait for other countries to stop producing fossil fuels, got to lead by example. Also totally wrong to say Canada needs the revenue from these industries, renewable energy is profitable too, specially if it had the same Government subsidies.
That and the fact lets build a town on a flood plain, nothing bad could ever happen from that 🤦♂️
HAARP
Fail.