The Incredible State Of Modern ITG
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While you'd probably expect a game with as short a lifespan as In The Groove to not really have maintained interest many years after it's death, that couldn't be less true for the ITG community. When they were at their lowest they transitioned over to Stepmania and built a flourishing community of different playstyles and loads of amazing events and tournaments. So today, lets take a look at the 3 major styles of content that make up modern ITG.
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Stamina Nation : staminanation.com
International Timing Collective (tech resources) : itc.dance/
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Thanks to the ITG community for being a wonderful place to be the past few years for me :) - Hry
Honestly the hardest part now is accepting I'm out of shape and need to work on getting back in. Excelent video!
Same gl bro
Relatable
Just play. Playing _is_ cardio, so just play. You could benefit from doing other cardio like running or biking, but playing the game will condition you specifically to be able to play the game for longer periods of time..
great summary of the ITG communities. I tell my friends and family that ITG split to allow players to focus on the challenge they want. Either endurance, or technical footwork. There's no wrong way to play this game and it's always reassuring to see new players join the community!
its nice that NotITG is the first rhythm game that got me into charting!
when it comes to the modcharts in NotITG, it's all based on sightreading and timing (like every other rhythm game), but when it comes to making them, the magic behind all the moving notes is *coding* and all of that fun jazz
I just do regular charts for fun.. *Taronuke scares me*
15:20 "Yuzu's stamina pad built with Yu-Gi-Oh! cards and, like, 30 FSR sensors attached"
Finally, something in this video that's Konami approved :P
The modern ITG community is awesome, it's a completely different feel from back when ITG was a new game because if you weren't a top player the community was pretty awful back then. The amount of work today that goes into the game itself, content, and events, and that it's all just open to everyone with participation at all levels encouraged is simply amazing. Back in 2005-2010 you would never see an event like ITL feature 7s for people at that skill level to play, I remember a local ITG tournament in 2010 here in AZ and you had to get an S on a 10 as a qualifier to even enter which is absurd. Even if you know you're not gonna make it far, community events should be open to the larger part of the community. Look at older stuff like the R21Freak simfile of the week packs and what they were trying to pretend was a 9 back then, the comments that would be made at people who couldn't pass some of that stuff or even just at people saying a chart should have been rated higher was gross and really just drove people away. When I started playing again a couple years ago I actually avoided ITG for a while, then I found Dom's channel and I realized it's really not the same community as back then. Even at an average skill level I'm enjoying events like ITL and Stamina RPG, like you talked about in your video. Community events open to the entire community, discord servers that anyone can come into for advice or even just to chill, live streams and regular uploads from top players who talk to people like they're actually people, players of all skill levels encouraging eachother. I love it here.
Pasó lo contrario en costa rica. Antes todos nos ayudamos y hacíamos torneo fomentando la disciplina hoy en día ya murió todo y las pocas máquinas que hay vale 3 dólares 2 canciones.
Not ITG is my absolute favorite thing to watch. I first found their videos during the lockdown part of the pandemic, and I've become obsessed ever since. The gimmicks, custom animations, and original story/characters that have come out of it are all amazing.
NotITG is a platform, modcharts are made by individual charters. You probably are referring to TaroNuke who is a long-time charter and player, and makes great modcharts.
I started playing DDR when Bemanistyle was in 5.0 and Extreme 8th mix was the newest release. Personally got as far as S ranking Vertex Expert on pad back in the day. Insane how far this community has come. Apricate this video dude 🔥
As someone who played back in the DDR Extreme/ITG2 days and then was away from the scene for many years, it was crazy getting back into it and seeing how much the game had progressed. I can't believe the stuff I've seen stamina players doing and I'm still trying to learn some tech stuff that was "invented" while I was away. The way the community has kept the spirit of this game alive is pretty awesome!
A couple of slight inaccuracies in how I would have introduced the topic / history part of things, particularly the notable differences between DDR / ITG and the historical context of what made ITG "the next thing" in its time.
- The biggest difference between ITG and DDR wasn't that there were mines or rolls, but not only were the hardest songs far harder than DDR's, there were far, far more songs rated 10+. There were very few top-tier DDR players who made a long-term transition into being top-tier ITG players, while a lot of DDR players who were good at the small handful of 10+ charts but struggled with more technical charts (see L'Amour et la Liberté & co) excelled at ITG, completely changing the top tier list in a very short period of time. (ITG never really took off but once ITG 2 and dedicabs did, it completely took over the tournament circuit - I'd say the last year of DDR Extreme would have been 2005, with ITG 2 fully taking over in 2006, remaining dominant for at least 5 years if not 10 years).
- The original ITG came out in 2004, over a year after DDR Extreme (Christmas 2002) when it seemed apparent that Konami did not intend to release further arcade versions. (Typically new versions were less than a year apart at this point). I can't speak to Roxor's motivation, but what left the market open for ITG and ITG 2 was in no small part Konami pulling out of arcade releases. Some have speculated that the release of Supernova was motivated in part to prevent ITG from taking over the market and spreading (which also coincided with a lawsuit - at the time most DDR machines in America were imported and not actually licensed for use in America).
As a no-bar player, the "switch foot" segment you highlight around the 6 minute mark is not something I would've been using switch foot on. I would've just tackled them as a crossover, at least for the majority of it. I realize crossovers alone couldn't handle the pattern since, eventually, it'll require a spin or 180 to reorient the player to face the screen. I've done it, but I admit, it's not ideal. Honestly, I love playing this game no bar since it literally plays like an entirely different game.
No bar players...
Have way more fun playing dance games.
don't see how playing nobar has any affect on that. I've played mostly nobar in the past as well and executed footswitches just like they are intended, especially since trying to jack and then cross over would be incredibly awkward and force you to double step afterwards again (or make you face 180 degrees away lol)
Great video, really nice reference for anyone curious about any particular aspect of the community. I really hope more people realize just how accessible ITG Stamina play is (I'm sure tech and mods are accessible too but I don't have much experience with those). Events with endless hours of high-quality content for FREE. It's really incredible.
Also I recognize those feet at 10:22 lol
Awesome video man! Super happy I found the ITG community a year ago!
I played this like 15 years ago in high school. I haven't played since, and I'm amazed that there is still a strong community going. Makes me want to find a place and play again.
great video!
thank you dominick in the groove
r u da real DOM ITG oMG
Great video on the state of ITG! Seeing you using a keyboard stand as a bar has to be the highlight of this video for me. I've been screwing around with chairs and different attempts at making a bar at home with mixed results and this has been the ultimate solution for me!
Love the video bro, hope it gets more people into ITG.
Really nice video with some good points! Keep it up :D
im ashamed at the lack of mention to NotITG's uksrt/oisrt/general srt scene
that stuff is all really cool! I just know very little about it. But I would have been remiss to not mention NotITG at all
Great video man, never even heard of ITG before this video but it's fun to know the history of it.
ITG is Love, ITG is Life.
I'm not sure what ITG was like back in the day, but I've recently got into it after Beat Saber introduced me to rhythm games.
I will say the community has been awesome, everyone is wholesome and EXTREMELY helpful/supportive,
but oh my goodness there is just SO much information spread apart everywhere!
Trying to find songs seems like a nightmare, ranked Groovestats stuff is like navigating a forum in 2004, and all other info is spread across multiple niche discord servers buried in whatevers channels pinned messages.
Maybe I'm just spoiled by the BS community, but with ITG starting to pick up pace again, it would be awesome to have a central "hub" of information and some more standardized ways of doing things.
i agree, i have no idea how i stumbled into the discords and stuff. however an ITG wiki is currently being worked on now! i believe it’s public already and more info is constantly being added
Haha I made a very similar comment regarding this. Similarly, I feel I was spoiled by osu!’s native beatmap database and the various 3rd party search and collection tools so coming into sm5/itg last year I couldn’t believe how a community this old doesn’t have some kind of centralized repo where all packs old and new can be found and easily queried
good vid. definitely a proponent of scuffed setup life
Great mini-doc - ITG is really cool, the fact that it's a thriving grassroots community after rising from the ashes of a killed DDR competitor. I played ITG1 and 2 when they were new but eventually lost access to any machines nearby, so custom charts have mostly eluded me (save for keyboard Stepmania stuff). I have a home setup now with one of those Polish pads. Might get into some of these, if they make charts for over-the-hill ex DDR players
[edit] which keyboard stand do you use? Something that folds up like that might be good for my situation
Looking forward to those breakdowns of tech, stamina, and mod seasons overall. GG WP.
2:16 BLESS YOU!!!!!!
JONX #1
typical itg player
Awesome video!
Shame all the nearby ITG's are broken beyond repair or stashed in warehouses due to owners getting pissy about dance gamers making too much noise at the local stomping grounds. People who live in cramped apartments can't do home setups due to noise complaints and youtubers such as myself can't monetize music due to fraudulent copyright claims meaning there's no reason to honestly play. It was great back in the day but in my opinion the community is what ruined it. In my area it was nothing but the rich and wealthy who partook and poor trailer park inhabitants like me were shunned. I found this video through the search phrase "itg 15 footer stamina" if you're curious.
Great video dude!
I did play the original ITG arcade (and hell, even picked up the PS2 version lol) but some of the more modern stuff is still light-years above my skill level! still impressed AF every time one of these shows up as an exhibition at GDQ though.
Hacking machines and adding custom themes and songs was also already popular before r21
This is a good overview how the community continued to develop, but I feel in like none of those niches at home. Stamina has pretty boring charts that don't interact with the music, tech is too technical for me (having to place a mine next to two arrows to show where you have to foot switch is pretty questionable) and those mods are pretty insane as well. I did enjoy some of the undertale custom charts to watch, but they would probably way too hard for me on a pad.
I miss charts that are not done for the top people, but are more accessable for a broader audience.
Just watching NotITG charts makes my brain melt, but I would love to get into it because the creativity is unreal. I used to play a lot of DDR back when the skill ceiling was much lower (and I was in much better shape), I would have to basically start over now lol. My downstairs neighbors would probably hate me for it, too.
i love dance games so much. thank you for reminding me of that. great video
Quick question: that controller in the background, is that for chunithm? If so, how do you play it from home, emulator or is there an official version? I really wanna play it but my country (eu gang) doesn’t have any arcade rhythm games..l
It was a pleasure joining this scene in college, I'm really gonna miss those memories.
great video man! I just got my own pad up and running again and am going back into the stamina grind and watching this gave me a bit more motivation 😁
Wonderful video on the greater dance game community!
Stamina RPG looks insanely cool, but all I can really play is play on a keyboard, so I don't really think I can do either of the first two. Dance pads (especially good ones) are expensive and, even if I could afford one, I'd probably get a heart attack doing stamina or tech.
Hey, only seeing this now but thanks for the shoutout
Technically there is a itg 3 project.
Where can I get this game and is it free?
Oh men, thanks for this video... I used a lot of this information on your video and put on a Colombian (South America ITG forum ;) because I wannanew generation go harder and putsome commun sense in the way that they play!
thanks soooo much!
Glad I could help! Thanks for sharing it!
Freaken amazing video.
The community is my 2nd family
omg it's cyx sound, i know that guy, kinda based
songs used in the video?
banger vid
this video is a great introduction and motivator to get people into the game! and that home made FSR pad looks beautiful 😘
wake up honey losermanwins posted a new video
jonx #1 mentioned 👀♥
Nice video.
5:16 what noteskin is this?
shadow
Songs for 4:24 and 7:59?
I believe it’s Mazy Metroplex at ~4 mins
junior grooveador
But what about freestyle though?
I've been practising some DDR and PIU Freestyling for the past 2 Month but it's really hard finding resources.
So far I came up with some moves for different arrow patterns, alot of them copied from smidget and other old freestyle videos.
freestyle isnt ITG related, freestyle is literally only ddr and piu
Nowadays kids only play FNF over games like in the groove 3 or just dance
Does only one guy play ECS?
This is a great summary of the post-ITG community in 2023! Thanks for putting it together! 💛
I love notitg
My brothers kept it going ✊ I love you
jonx #1
jonx #1
Younger me would be in Heaven
2:12 typical itg player
DDR has shock arrows in like under 5% of all charts, so even if it is a gimmick, it's not abused.
Stamina is idiotic and pointless. People really out here clinging to the cheat rail and stepping in place at 200bpm for 45 minutes straight. Like bruh, it ain't even impressive. It's just a useless "talent" that isn't even improving your cardiovascular system, helping you gain muscle, or doing anything else of note other than improving your foot-eye coordination or maybe general reaction speed. Kyle Ward even said as much YEARS ago during a long-gone video of him and Chris Foy showing off their idea for Re-Rave when it was supposed to be foot-based rather than touch-based. During the video, he briefly made fun of stamina players who vibrate in the center of the pad and this was one reason he wanted to get away from 4-panel games and move to something more unrestricted such as Re-Rave. This pad version of Re-Rave never came out but it might have looked similar to how Dance Rush looks today in some ways because Kyle and Chris talked about how the game would allow players to slide their feet as well as step, jump, etc.
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skill issue
What are you saying bro 😂 stamina is useful for all sport and physical activities running fighting martial art ect
Please reconsider your monotone "CZcamsr"-tone of voice. I would love to watch this as I am an avid dance gamer but I just can't listen to that style of talking for more than about a second. Just talk like you normally talk and I'll watch the next one.
This is a good video