AVOID THIS. You Thought You Won. But You Actually Lost.
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
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"Decisive Victory" sounds good.
Can you always "smell" intent?
Getting out of a depression.
Fixating on the "What if?" driving me crazy.
Taking Extreme Ownership with people who don't take their share of ownership of a problem.
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Big lesson - only call real decisive victories that have been thought out a decisive victory. Don’t call a tactical win a decisive victory. Think long term
You may have won a battle but will this decisive victory cost you the war
I feel the point of the video is also that even if you win the war as well, how you win the war may cost you allies, trust, etc.
This makes me think of when I go to switch into the left lane to go faster but I can’t see too far ahead and I end up getting stuck behind some slow driving left laner and then the right lane cars whip past me.
i usually crave a decisive victory when i am feeling weak or tired i bet that applies to most people
Martial arts in a studio or tournament is much different than real life. You can get killed on the street. You get a decisive victory in real life, you "escalate the conflict." Totally agree. You said it as I was typing. Great points. Totally agree. VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC. Remember someone you've submitted on the street can always come back with a gun when you least expect it. in relationships never a good tactic if you want to stay in that relationship (GF, wife, BF, husband, child, etc.).
Good philosophy. In Improv they have a technique referred to as "yes and" as a preface before expressing your next thought. It helps to prevent negation & both sides winning. It's difficult sometimes to always use it in life but something good to keep in mind when you find yourself negating too much something I can be guilty of. And yes the Ego needs to be balanced. It helps one believe they can do anything/reach any goal yet it does need to be reigned in when it goes berserk...lol..............thanks.
Like the dunning kruger affect lol.
Been gettin into building an alternative power supply. Going great tbh but at first there was this... "this sht is too easy""
Then it became
"""There is wayyyyyyyy too much sht here to consider and now ive spent $$$$""
To .... """slowly coming along, as planned, but i am now learning more than i thought i would or could "
A very Timely message.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Good Work My Friend. Jocko im a big fan.👍🏼 I look hard to find solid advice on CZcams. I appreciate it brother.
i keep remembering this over and over since listening to it 3 weeks ago, it has really helped me step back and avoid going all in because the situation would sour for me if i did that
thanks...always helpful
I want to add some nuance from apersonal experienceon this. Last BJJ tournament I did I got 12 points ahead, and I went for some submission attempts but did not overcommit as to keep my positional advantage. But in the last 20 seconds my opponent was able to create a scramble and stand up. With mere seconds left on the clock he went for a hailmary leglock attemp and was able to tap me with 3 seconds left on the clock with a heelhook. He went for the total victory, surprised me and got it.
It's tough to maintain second place mentality in all situations. Anticipating their desperation, and baiting the aggression you want will give you huge openings that replace the need for prevent play styles.
Thank you sir
I always say I can choose to be right or righteous. Usually not both.
I do a thought experiment about domination. Supreme domination looks very lonely when everything around you doesn't exist. Not a viable solution
Very good to bring up this subject. Look at the bigger picture and the future
I like the idea of a clinical victory. If you can win a decisive victory just doing your thing then just keep going. If you have to change what has lead to your current success then you may be overreaching.
Ties in pretty well to the MMA analogy too.
hm. I CHOOSE to win small battles, everyday. Might be one, might be 100. Differs daily.
Sometime, that battle can even be against myself.
Small battles, every day, build up. It's not "decisive victory", and it's not "scorched earth", it's small wins, over time.
Maybe it's just maturity.
I don't want to "take the hill"
I don't want to have a "Pyhirric victory"
I CHOOSE to use my skills, intelligence, and resources WISELY to move myself and my tribe to the next day.
I don't want to "beat" anyone, i want to be left alone...and when i do have to stand up, i want to see clearly and use experience and intellignece to make good decisions to take that small win.
"the enemy always thinks it's about them...and THAT is how they lose.....it's NOT ...never was.
The big fight is always between you and the man in the mirror.....mom told me that.
Well said!!!!
You rock Jocko
Rocko
Massive Rocko Jocko W. Extremely common.
i never thought about this, and it was just what i needed to hear
Spot on!👊🏻🇺🇸
Here we always get quality content! ❤
Comfort thing
His guest. “Mmhmm” “yeah” “mmmhm” “yeah” the WHOLE time! 😅
Good message though!
It feels really good
E.C. is one of the best listeners I have ever witnessed..
In the game of go, you earn one point for every kill, 1.4 every controlled territory, and two points for every prisoner.
I like the cut-out at the end "unless you're an ISIS fighter or a communist"... 🤣
Or exercise. And smoke more. And. Pot always
Also…
64 is about a Beatles song I sent to a girl a cared for.
The last Beatles song ever was made for her and released 1 day before her birthday.
I=A
I was recently falsley accused at my job and yelled at by my manager and told I was getting worse by the operations manager and told I have a victim mentality ...yet when i was being bullied they did nothing and did not threten to fire them....i wish they would fir them...they are bullying me!
You deserve it -joko
@@slow7reaper522 my name is NOT JOCKO.....and you misspelled his name (sp) why are you replying to me?
And that hell is my. Retirement. I can’t lose
This shit is the norm in every competitive video game community (trying to have a decisive victory), that's why the long term pro players don't act like this, and the ones that do don't last that long in the scene.
they made me feel stupid and yet its projecting their own insecurities onto me...i dont want to be their punching bag..literaly and figuartively
Sitting on the toilet depressed beyond words begging my father for 5-10$ to buy a little bud because I enjoy reading at night with a thc blanket in my brain. It’s a catch 22
I’m a certified loser
Quit. I go to AA.
Is time pentacle of solomon
If WW1 allies had listened to Jocko's advice, we would not have had WW2.
What about the other's ego?
Are these guys only discussing these concepts or somehow applying them in their lives? Who are they? Like do they take responsibility, opportunities etc?
Read "Extreme Ownership" and Jocko’s other books and you will have a good idea how to apply all that he is teaching to situations in life (and war).
Use what's useful. Just the concept of "extreme ownership", is good when viewed epistemologically. Like, what does "Extreme Ownership" mean in the context of your daily life, at work, with friends, with family? Do you own your share of your relationships? What are the boundaries where you don't, can't, or where it may be inadvisable to take ownership? Do you recieve criticism? Do you make adjustments, is it fair? It's funny though, you can definitely take a little advice, run out in the world and get your ass kicked. It's motivational and ethical philosophy. I've seen inklings of dialectic with David Burke. Sometimes with EC as well. Personally, I favor Burke a little bit, but I'm not listening to Jocko to learn how to think/dialog through a technical problem. I'm listening in part for motivation (definitely a good source, but see "every body on Everest was once a highly motivated mountain climber") and in part to understand his thought process.
best ending ever to a Jocko clip!! Jocko considering communism?!? lol
🔥🙏🔥
Your video length.
1+1 a song written by Sia. She has written many songs inspired by Rosalind and I.
64 is a Beatles song I posted to my MySpace page for her.
The last Beatles song Now and Then was released 1 day before her birthday for her.
And trust in the ax
Florence Jan 20 1982.
The long-term when is happening against Americans daily and it’s very disheartening majority may God bless
7:16 am
Jocko - did you ever cross paths with Capt. Tom Moser?
And rust in brow thickness and thankful to what ever demon in hell thought it would be funny to giv me such a hard head
I think what we're talking about here is phyric victory.
False victory or victory without value.
Depends. A pyrrhic victory can be better than a total loss. Perhaps, choose your pyrrhic victories carefully.
@@stripes1200 a phyric victory is ALWAYS better than a total loss.
Do you know what the scientific name for fools gold is?
Iron pyrite.
That's where the expression "phyric victory" comes from.
It looks like gold, it's shiny and yellow but it's only a relatively common iron compound, hardly less common than rust.
A phyric victory is all about strategy, after all, it IS a victory, but what makes it so?
Perhaps the aim was accomplished at too high a price? Perhaps winning THAT battle left you terribly out of position for the next...perhaps the win ate up too many resources.
All great generals know their is a critical and undeniable difference between tactics and strategy.
A general with a good strategy but poor tactics will lose most his battles and still win the war.
Another general might be a brilliant tactician but without strategic vision he will win battle after battle until he abruptly and inexplicably loses the war.
@@AndyProkopenko-jx1fy no to all of this. I can elaborate, but you have to listen. For starters the term Pyrrhic victory comes from the Pyrrhic wars.
@@stripes1200 yea...that really did it....explains it all. I'm humbled by your overwhelming intellect
I'm so sorry I dared to offer my ignorant opinion since I have been so thoroughly chastised I must withdraw
Never cast pearls before swine.
You haven't done anything except say no.
Listen boi. I've heard no. But I don't hear facts or cogent counterpoints very often. The phyrric wars.
Ok
So that makes what i said wrong how...exactly.
A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing in the hands of fools.
All you did was say this guy is wrong and mention the phyrric wars.
Take your toes out of the deep end boy.
Put on some floaties and learn history before you come off sounding too silly next time.
Advice for life. Pearls before humans. Don't argue unless you have an argument. You don't.
You have no idea the club that will come down on you if you continue your ego fueled arrogance.
I enjoy smashing bugs like you. So go on boy. Tell me wats up
You got large frame to duck in grass
Decisive is actually a bad word for what he really means to say
Decisive means there's no doubt about who won but most military commanders use it in the sense that it means the initiative or the tide of the war has changed.
The Japanese were ever seeking the decisive action with the US navy, they never had many victories against that navy. None after early in '43...and they certainly never had any victories that gave them uninterrupted initiative as the Americans had after Midway. Perhaps the most decisive and initiative changing conflict in warfare.
Kursk possibly...if the Germans had won...I think it would have just prolonged the war. But losing that battle, and losing so many irreplaceable tanks and officers, it was too hard a blow
Context matters, as well as audience. Sun Tzu mentioned not backing an army into a corner, because with no option to retreat they will fight much harder than without.
@@stripes1200 also why you should not encourage a "take no prisoners" attitude amongst your troops. The enemy will fight much harder if they know you will kill or torture them if they try to surrender.
By giving them an out, allowing surrender as an option you spare the lives, not only of your men, but make it harder for the enemy to hate you.
I found out after the demons bowed to me own there own.
Sometimes pivoting leads to the overall victory in time.
Anyway. Know I never run
This is something my parents never understood. I would try to challenge what they taught with what I believed or perceived and all they ever did was condescend and treat me like a naive little simpleton. Good job I lost respect for you and will not be coming to you for any advice mom and dad
And I used a ax or nothing
Hitler vs. Stalin is another classic example…
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To know they biwed
Please please please give me my children
"Hit them where the sun don't shine." -Master of Shadow Boxing
There is a stone on top of the mountain that shapes the horizon where the feathered eagle struggles to fly this stone simply lies consistent in the heights, and the pebble in your boot is greater than the mountains in your way.
Along the path of urgency are those waist deep in destiny beyond the muck and mire where men burn their desires a patient stone resides.
Is the lie not a slave of the truth? Is the lie not constantly maintained to appear as the truth? Is the path not a slave of the way? Is the path not constantly maintained to appear as the way? Do not the lie and the path eventually exhaust and doesn't the truth and the way remain?
"Smallest amount of Force"
Shadow Boxer's Quantum Precision retains Atomic Integrity compounds Butterfly Effect within a Cosmic Nexus
Jocko, We don't live in a world of endless analogies. out
More. Less
Like. Since my faith has due to god 10-15 years ago. Insisting me to fulfill destiny. With my lack of fire arms. He said. My staff only. But I. Said. Ax. And. Take staff
Algorithm
It's too early for this bullshyt man...some random telling me I'm fukking up😂....
Im looking for a girlfriend im 40 years old
That my birrhdate
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
It’s just. Your a big guy. Divers. I would think would not desire to be big guy in tight tight spot
Hope you are teaching Gematria, date numerology and date duraions between wars and world stage events, it's what controls all wars and rituals 🎉
You are so so so close to talking about Aikido without talking about Aikido it is painful to watch.
I have a friend, practiced martial arts for years, was attacked outside the bar by four guys. He went for the decisive victory. One broken arm, one broken nose, one fractured jaw. The jaw cost him a felony, 4 years in court and 10k to stay out of prison. He did not practice aikido.