What Courting In Regency England Was Actually Like
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- čas přidán 2. 04. 2022
- Courtship during the Regency period was serious business. Finding a partner involved a series of practical and romantic considerations as well as a strict adherence to Regency courting etiquette.
The Regency era - which technically lasted in Great Britain from 1811 to 1820, but was part of the larger social and cultural era of the late 18th and early 19th centuries - might have had a reputation for licentiousness when it came to matters of the heart. But it also was an era of politeness and gentility, and rules governed how middle- and upper-class couples should interact with one another.
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@@niac9568 so much better than the dry stuff they used to use when I was in school!
When youtube replaces classrooms as sources for history because according to some - accurate history is the same as CRT.
@@niac9568 All videos I was encouraged to have a closer look at were nonsense from front to back.
Many videos in this channel don't state one correct point but are absolutely false.
In Jane Austen's novels, which were written in the Regency Era, her ladies often had occasion to be with gentlemen alone, unchaperoned. Walking with Col. Fitzwilliam, Mr. Darcy's first visit to Elizabeth, etc. The ideal was to be chaperoned but I don't think they payed as much attention to that rule as historians think. Much like we today don't really behave according to good etiquette all the time either.
Yeah but we are much more free to do what we want. But as we know back then it was much more strict.
This channel should not be mistaken for actual history. It's more like a reality TV show for history.
Same with Bridgerton actually a lot of times Kate and Anthony were together alone i think that would only be a problem if someone sees them alone.
They were alone but outdoors in public or alone in an open carriage.. Alone in a closed carriage now that different!
@@phannah143 I read Bridgerton and it has nothing to do with the Regency. Their speech, manners, actions, notions, attitudes, etc none of it Regency. Hugely inaccurate and misleading.
I would have liked to hear more about the lower class' traditions
They didn’t go elaborate lol were more honest in their courtships
@@AstarionWifey ha
I like you, you like me... let's marry? I hope something like that.
The lower classes did not have "traditions".
@@elizabethblackwell6242 why wouldn't they? Every culture and sub-culture has their traditions. Just because the working class didn't have money, doesn't mean they didn't have any creativity or culture of their own. Their traditions probably just cost less!
this channel found its niche, and its exploring topics that we all never cared about, but loved to hear
@Lucy Summer why would an american need to know what England’s courting procedures were?! Lmfao stop the bull****
@Lucy Summer don’t you think that’s a piece of very non-useful information to know? Why would I care of that when I can learn that true britons are practically all dead, and that the current Uk folk come from pagans who mass slaughtered the true britons once the romans left England. Yeah I bet an American would have no idea of such things. And I bet the usa wouldn’t teach it. No. We learned that too. This shit information rots the brain 😂😂😅 especially when it talks about first cousins having sex
I've cared by doing some topics.
Saving others from misadventures
and assisted the US Government
when requested.
Mostly about drugs
Ur wrong i specifically searched abt this!! Im glad he made one!
I can understand the money thing....My old uncle used to say, "When poverty comes in the back door love goes out the front door". I found out the hard way he was right.
could you explain further what you mean by any chance? what does it have to do with love
@@morganeazar5864 My uncle meant that many times when a young couple fall in love and get married they are happy BUT then hard times come along and they go into poverty and suddenly they are yelling at each other and fighting all the time, usually about bills and money. That is when love goes out of the marriage.
@@laserbeam002 ohh okay, I understand now thank you
@@laserbeam002 hard times show how deep the love/care about each other actually is. If both are on the same page and act accordingly it shouldn't cause friction between them, especially because being together usually is cheaper per person than on your own
@@laserbeam002 - Not always. When love is real, the couple joins forces and works even harder, never letting the lack of money break the marriage. I know, I've been there.
I would love to hear the differences between England and the US when it came to courting(if there were any)during this time period
The United States was barely a country at this time. They were still “colonists.” There was much less elaborate courtship and stuff.
@@PurnceNMe I'm aware of the history of our country. But there still would've been rules in place when it came to courting. Especially being a young country still having influences and traditions from England
@@annemariecronen9096 little house on the prairie.
@@meadowsmama9423 I loved that show as a child especially living in Minnesota. The show takes place about 60+yrs later though
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It's run by two history enactors and they have two channels, the other is Frontier Patriot at czcams.com/channels/0t3mcaVPodGgETsPRlLiHQ.html
I'm glad he used so many snippets from the 1995 Pride and Prejudice. It's my favorite, and I always get annoyed that it gets passed over for the 2005 one. Plus the Sense and Sensibility one from the same year (1995). Loved that one too :)
I completely agree!
I agree as well. The 1995 A&E version is 4 hours long and had more to the story and Mr. D'Arcy played by Colin Firth was a far better and better looking one as well.
Completely agree!
I loved the 2005 one and Matthew's portrayal of Mr. Darcy.
Oh, Mr Darcy!
There's a few stories in my family of couples that got married in Scotland... it always confused me as we were English and Irish but I'm starting to understand now 🤣. The women in my family have never been good at being obedient.
Gretna Green in Scotland was especially popular with couples in a hurry bec it's just north of England's border!!
As someone above said, Gretna Green is a famous wedding location for that reason ☺️ It always astonishes me how many Americans don’t understand that England and Britain aren’t the same thing 🙄😂🤦🏼♀️ OF COURSE “it didn’t apply to Scotland” 😂😂 We have separate legal systems 😂🤦🏼♀️ the UK is 4 countries in a union - not one country, with England as the “owner” of the others 😂🤦🏼♀️
@@TallulahFoxxx Does England recognize entirely marriages performed in Scotland ? They must, after all Princess Anne married Tim up there in Scotland ... yet England remains stubborn with their laws.
@@TallulahFoxxx It's astonishing that you don't understand that Great Britain referred to England, Wales (which is meaningless to most people), and Scotland, which had a different system, meaning only England was important. How can you not know this?
Lol i thought of gretna green like other commenters too. It’s so interesting
Sounds a lot like the academic job market 😂
Mixing in public at conference events intended to match candidates with schools, a “season” when it all goes down, sharing gossip to learn who’s hiring and who’s interviewing with whom, the total financial dependence as a candidate of waiting for a school to make you an offer…
SO glad I don’t have to go through that again - and that I don’t have to court in Regency England
Good comparison. Both of those things give me the same gross feeling in my soul.
I love all of Jane Austen's novels. She is the best.
Courtship feels a little complicated during this time. (It still is)
then courtship: money
now courtship: money
not complicated.
@@nameless1016 Yes! I always side-eye people when they complain how women today have gone downhill because they only care about money. I don’t remember it being any other way in history LOL.
@@missg8861 and it even makes sense. If a woman wants to have kids with a man, she automatically puts herself in economical disadvantage. Realistically, even on time off, she will earn less. A man with good financial stability is important for the family's wellbeing. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather remain a "spinster" or be called a gold digger than marry a cheap ass. Men today expect women to go 50/50 but also cook, take care of the kids and be sexy and nice all the time.
@@user-px2ot Why, I never had children never found a rich man !!!!
2:45 thank you for correcting the confused idea that Darcy and Elizabeth Bennet were not of the same class.
They were socially of same de jure class.but
economically different (objective, but not
subjective) de facto "classes".
But...but... Her uncle was in trade... In CHEAPSIDE!
Unlike my history classes in high school, I actually like this channel and love learning about history such as this. Scratch that, I love this channel and always will. Way to go, Weird History! You've officially got me hooked.
If you don't mind me asking, just curious- what is it that your history classes at school failed to offer you that this yt channel can provide?
@@saraf5414 This channel focuses on weird, and thus interesting parts of history while a history class will be more general and covers parts that some might not find interesting
Teachers have specific content they have to cover. This content is mandated by the state. There may not be time to cover these kinds of facts in any meaningful way.
Yk, I love when my thoughts like this are answered. This channel always seems to scratch that itch of wonder in my brain
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@@citizentuck "you know"
True, and his narration is so great and he adds his own touch of sarcasm.. which is great!
@@kimberlypatton9634 - I loved the the humor and sarcasm in this one.
I almost never hear anyone say the phrase ‘bump the uglies’. I’ve said it for years (well, I say bumping uglies but same same) and I’m so happy I’ve heard it here on one of my fave channels 😂❤️
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Choked on my cuppa laughing. First time i heard this expression was on this channel
After having read at least 60 historical romance novels post Bridgerton, none of the facts are a surprise. They are delightful.
I'd love to know some of your favourite books...💞
@@froggywithaheart I wouldn't know where to start. Lol.
For something light and frivolous, I love Devil in Winter, Again the magic by Lisa Kleypas.
A wicked kind of husband by Mia Vincy.
For historical romantic comedies, a week to be wicked, wallflower wager by Tessa Dare
For something emotional and lots of tears Annie's Song by Catherine Anderson
For some action and lots of eroticism in 1700s London, Scandalous Desires, Sweetest Scroundrel by Elizabeth Hoyt.
For some clean romance, Fair as a star and Work of art by Mimi Mathews.
For some scot romance the bride by Julie Garwood.
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I've always liked the clothing of the Regency Era. I feel like the Victorian Era was a step back.
The Victorian era clothes look so heavy I’m so happy I’m in 2023 lol
I can’t imagine my life without sweat pants and crop tops lol
Telling her to "jog on".....lol.....I love it......
According to my old-money adoptive Grandma, these rules behind 'appropriate marriage' didn't relax until the 1970's in affluent America, even on the west coast. If you're an Oregonian, you know about Lake Oswego.
Right family name (and not too many cousins removed from the source...), attend the right church, live on the right side of the tracks, right schools, no history of associating with Jews or mingling between Catholics vs Presbyterians vs Lutherans, etc.
What are the odds I’d find and watch a CZcams video with a comment about the place I’m from? 😂❤
That's why I say protestants aren't nice... Imagine not wanting to mingle with fellow protestants 😬
Yeah that's partly what the hippie movement was about, I guess
The times were rigid as hell ,imagine going around with a chaperone on a date I would feel uncomfortable cause I'm already shy and here aunt magret is tapping along checking on us every minute. No thank u I would be a proud spinster 😂
@Rainbow Rose Princess Mishti you going on dates in the middle of the woods? There are people everywhere.
@@SonOfTheDawn515 so? People attack people in broad daylight in downtown squares all the time lol. I’m glad you haven’t had any scary experiences on dates yet though, the police don’t do much
@@bunnyfrosting1744 I don't trust people as it is and I don't have an issue with new women who want their friends nearby. I'd encourage it but I don't want them as a third wheel.
My grandmother was presiding when I had my first date. What a lecture I got afterwards. Nothing happened at all....how could it!
Not aunt margret!! 😭
But in the actual regency era, correspondence was not allowed between courting couples who were not yet engaged. This is a major plot point in Sense and Sensibility, and the main reason why Darcy's letter to Elizabeth was handled so discreetly, and why Elizabeth could not with propriety respond to him. Writing in courtship before being engaged was only allowed later in the Victorian era.
NOTHING on Bridgerton is to be taken seriously from the clothing to the manners, to well, ANYTHING.
During the Regency period there was no mixing of the races in the middle or upper classes.
@@sonnyroy497 this isn't reality or true history. It's a romance novel/show. Everyone knows it isn't showing facts. So they can use no traditional actors, horrible costumes and modern attitudes. Duh.
Regency courtship sounds like a lot of work!
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I love the narrator’s humor. It’s one of the reasons why I really like this channel.
I hate to say it but my social surroundings and first marriage were clearly really influenced by these ideals. Its a good wake-up call to be more careful if I ever pursue love again about what kind of social toxicity to look out for. If there's a next time its going to be different.
Who asked?
Good luck, I can empathize with you. Fortunately, I’m remarried to a husband that looks out for my well-being and I look out for his.
I like the letter writing part I think it's sweet. I've always wondered why they called each other by their last names during this time too.
Actually, one thing that the video doesn't explain is that generally, couples weren't allowed to write to one another until they were officially engaged! Toward the end of Jane Austen's Northanger Abbey, Catherine Morland's parents very kindly turn a blind eye to the fact that she and Mr. Tilney are clearly writing to one another, because they're *unofficially* engaged, so Mr. and Mrs. Morland feel like they can bend the rules for them!
@@delphinidin Ohh ok. See I didn't know that but thanks for stating it. :)
@@delphinidin it's also why it was a secret that Jane Fairfax and Frank Churchill were correspondents.
“Juicy man slab” got me laughing. Lol
Never lose this narrator !! A+
The NFL Draft/Trade analogy was SPOT ON!
Money must be a matter of concern in love. Just ask the many women who fell hopelessly in love with, and married, men who left them with nothing to support and raise their children.
Of course women are allowed to go out to work themselves these days I hear. They can even have bank accounts. I know, it was a shock to me too.
Well if you're going to speak about that, then you can also speak on the women that look for a man with the sole purpose of being a parasite that only looks to suck him dry of his hard earned money. It goes both ways.
@@AllisonChains64 Depend on no one but you.
@@hawsrulebegin7768 Those are the women who don't fall for the losers.
@@mulekickhandmadeguitars8465 Lmao please just shut up. You don't know what point you're trying to make.
I love these kind of Chanel’s so much! I love Learning and being entertained it’s sticks longer and it’s just super fascinating. I am so glad in a lot of ways for modern times and how things have changed.
I would like to know about recency wedding trousseau. I would also like to know how they packed all their things in a trunk without it being just a goofy mess
It's interesting that a widow was forbidden from marrying into the same family. Old testament Jews were actually instructed to marry their brother's widow.
I believe that was strictly if the brother had died without producing an heir. If that occurred, the brother was to take the wife and sire an heir for his brother’s line, which always makes me wonder if only the first child was considered the child of the deceased brother, or if the surviving brother had to take an additional wife to have children considered his own. Probably the former … does anybody know?
same in Islam
Yeah not once King Henry Vlll had his way.
@@annemurphy9339 yes it would cause succession issues
@@JB-vd8bi It was due to Henry 8th when law a man could not marry his brother’s widow came into law in England, was not law in Scotland
I think I’m considered to be upper middle class but my husband is lower middle class/ and he has taught me so so much in way of politics. But I can say I am so thankful I found him and if I were living in a different decade I would say say my parents wouldn’t approve and I wouldn’t be as happy as I am. Love that there isn’t a social standard for marriage and dating (at least for my social class)
Regency courtship wasn't the least bit romantic and modern courtship isn't either. The only romance is in a drama or a 📖.
I would have mentioned the predilection for young women - 16 to 22 - to marry men more than 10 years their senior. While I am aware this wasn't a particularly Regency thing to do, it seemed to be almost expected, regardless of class.
And you had to marry somebody who was already out there making money.
True, I’ve read this in several regency romance novels and it always makes me feel icky
@@jasondashney LITERALLY. Young men not of the well to do levels of society usually had to wait until they were 'established' because the money they made had to provide for the entire family. It's really only been in the last 60 to 75 years when a woman who wanted to make sure her children were well provided for could opt for a man less than 7-10 years here senior. And men were expected to marry nubile, fertile young wives.
@@KarenLeos91 Really only stopped happening in the 1960s... If you read romance novels from that period you will find that the women were generally under 25, while the men were at least 35.
ah Jane Eyre makes sense to me now
There would have been a population boom if Lord Marvin Gaye was played on the set list...
guess all the incest is part of why old money always stays in the shadows, newer showing their faces
Haaaaaaa! "Except for the interesting conversation part!" ....you SLAY me Weird History you SLAY ME!!
Yesss i live for this shit. Been watching you for a few years now. I had a horrible health issue on the pandemic and was hospitalized for 2 months, i had watched you before but i think i binged all your videos that time. You really got me thru it. I love history especially regency restaurants culture. Can you do more like these
The love letters 100% FALSE it was actually socially unacceptable for a single woman to correspond with a potential suitor in the regency period.
I agree. He got that wrong. When Marianne Dashwood writes letters to Willoughby, that is confirmation to her sister Elinor, and everyone in the household who sees the letters, that Marianne and Willoughby have a secret engagement. Otherwise it is totally unacceptable for them to write to each other.
That's right. And when Mr Darcy wrote his letter of explanation to Elizabeth Bennet in Pride and Prejudice (clips shown in this video), he was going to extreme measures because he felt so strongly that he must explain himself. It was NOT something a gentleman was supposed to do. That's why he had to wait around outside to run into her on her walk to give the letter to her secretly before she left to go back home. If he had missed her, his chance would have been lost because he could not have sent the letter to her home.
This was so entertaining 😂 you’ve got yourself a new subscriber
I love the humor of this channel 💯💯💯
Any Bridgerton watchers here ?🤚
I really loved this, well done.
I love this tradition's courting process.
My 4th gr grandparents wed in 1808 in the Regency era, they were Harriet and Charles. Harriet was the daughter of a well to do merchant , she was 16 and Charles was 36 and a gentleman.
I have a picture of their miniatures. Fascinating history for sure.
How fascinating!
@@rpandher1939
Yes it is, it looks to me you are jealous.
My great grandmother was 20 years younger than her husband. Family legend has it that greatgrandfather was friends with her father and that when he saw my great grandmother as a child of 10, she was so beautiful that he told her father that he would wait for her to grow up and then he would marry her. Kinda of creepy if you ask me, but he did wait and they got married when she turned 18. Reportedly it was a happy marriage; it produced 7 children, one died young but the other six, my grandmother and her siblings lived long lives. After her husband died my great grandmother never remarried. Neither were nobility or upper-class, just regular middle class.
@Esmeralda Green I do not mock. I am genuinely fascinated in a good way, I love history and any link we can find to it. You are indeed lucky to have preserved a link to your ancestors, a miniature is so rare and thing to be cherished. I myself, belong to the family of Indian Matyr of Battle of Sarqgarhi and we have one potrait of him which we hold dear. Much love!
@@rpandher1939 they actually attended King George the 4th coronation in 1820, the miniature of my 4 the great grandma on her gown was what she wore to it❤
Love my family history, my french side to my mom I traced back to 1600s in France.
That theater major zinger you snuck in there was solid.😂
Didn't expect to learn so much, haha, well done 👍
I gotta admit though, I think modern American culture could take some notes from this era. We need more romance! And more manners and structure. Things are too casual and annoying these days 😩
The feminist movement kinda killed it.
@@richelleg225 Woke culture in general.
@@richelleg225 And males gladly jumped aboard. Don't try to blame everything on the woman and be sexist, dear, men are as guilty at propping up this "evil" as women, but I don't see people blaming them as well for some reason.
@@richelleg225naw male culture killed it. Feminism came about because of male hypocrisy and trying to take away female autonomy and rights.
@@richelleg225 it’s kind of weird to imagine that romance can only happen if people adhere to social norms
What do I think? I think your James Joyce quip was perfectly timed and hilarious! What a dirty birdy!
You’re comment made me giggle
WH uploading is always a win.
I love this channel.. you learn and laugh at times as a bonus :o)
brilliantly and whittingly portrayed...I just found your YT channel..you have a new subscriber ,)
Damn, so my theatre degree would help me bag a wealthy gentleman back in the day?? They made us learn accounting and business negotiation skills though... I'm not sure a man of that era would appreciate that very much. :(
Your participation in the theatre, with or without a degree (ever heard the term "opera dancer"?), could easily net you a the attention of a wealthy man. But not a wedding ring, alas.
This was a fun watch!
Loved that joke about the Knightleys. Jane Austen, for the win!
When I clicked on this video, I had to watch two ads for the show Bridgertons and at the end of the video there's an ad for the show Outlander. Just wanted to let youtube know that their marketing algorithm is working, that's all.
This is hilarious history. Your best one yet. As a long time watcher of Weird History, this is your best one yet!
The season included Brighton which offered a less formal season by the sea. The nobility went there to escape the hot smelly summers in London.
The good ol’ days. Writing letters! Wild!
Love that I have seen these movies!
What I think is that I'd definitely forgotten how much I hated the 2005 P&P.
Thanks for the reminder.
Man, I gotta read this book! 📖❤
great narration
More Regency period vids, please!! 😃
Thanks for this! 🇬🇧
Love your series. Big history buff but this era is my fav. Keep it coming!
Good video. Thank you.
This channel is so interesting.
Now I want to go read a historical romance based in regency times.
Georgette Heyer is the Queen of regency romance. Her books are meticulously researched and authentic.
Try Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen!
I fall asleep to this channel to the soothing vocal lulls of the Black Plague and other weird things all the time! Of course that’s weird but so is weird history!
Me too
Come for the history, stay for the analogies
Do a video on the history of emergency services during history
I am a history nerd 💯. I really appreciate these videos. It's just absolutely fascinating.
“Kinda sounds like a theatre major, except without the conversation part”
Me: a theatre kid at heart: *E X C U S E ME?!?!* 🙀😂
Your response, all caps, in bold, with a spaced out first word for no reason could not more perfectly have illustrated his point.
@@jasondashney *t h a n k s I t r y* 😏😂
Going to use this with my 11th graders. We're reading Pride & Prejudice.
I learnt all this from the movie Austenland
Finding love in a marriage is rare. Love comes after outside of marriage and women could too if she was discreet. Lol! "Children need love, adults need money." I really love this video. Thank you!
Thanks 🙏
Exchanging letters before an Engagement was also very scandalous
could you, if it is worth it, do a video on London Foundling Hospital?
Im still dying from lord Marvin of gayeton😂
Thanks for the copious amounts of joy 🙏😂
So...are those romance novels you flashed on screen any good? Asking for a friend...
Suggestion: That time in 1984 when Richard Pryor had his own kids' show "Pryor Place". It was, I believe, one of the last Sid & Marty Kroft Productions television shows.
This show had a Sesame Street/Wonder Years vibe. Richard Pryor would introduce the episode's plot, which featured a younger version of himself, who, coincidentally, was also named Richard. The show also featured the trademarked Kroft puppets, some of which were sentient bakery goods.
To top off each episode, R&B legend Ray Parker, Jr. sang the show's theme song.
Quite a concept, a family friendly Richard Pryor performance.
Excellent
The taboo of 1st cousins being married is a tad overblown, inbreeding issues don't show up as much as portrayed, Canada actually legalized it back in the 90s. Now rampant marrying of cousins in the same family for over several generations so you get loopback is a different story.
In Pakistan a third of all marriages are to relations. It's a little surprising to see this in the modern age when we understand genetics but it is what it is.
where I live religion wise we are not supposed to marry anyone that is related to you under 6 generations, so it does consider 1st cousins as inbreeding
In Germany you can marry your family first removed(? is that how you say it?). First cousins could marry or even a niece and an uncle but in practice it seems to happen rarely.
Heck, although large swaths of America ban it at the moment, cousin marriages were unabashedly happening around World War II (one decorated US soldier publicly kissed his cousin after being honored IIRC). It traditionally WASN'T vilified like today.
I wish you had talked about the legal side of it all, and about marriage contracts and the marriage "portion."
Jog on! Lol Im going to use this one!
Hat's off narrator of this series
How bout courtship in the antebellum south?
It was similar. So I'd be interested to see comparisons and contrasts
the relieved sigh I let out when they also used Pride and prejudice 1995 clips
When you understand this, you understand why the “love match” could be a big deal, if one partner had no fortune.
Back then they couldn't just look at a spreadsheet and a video interview.
I’m about 99% sure you could get married in a kilt in Vegas, too.
I wonder how many of those unwed pregnancies were the result of sexual assaults. Then victims were legally compelled to identify their attacker. I doubt there was much of an attempt at keeping them safe from retaliation.
Can you make a video about Sacheen Littlefeather?
Important to note that historically child marriages were never consummated until they were both of age. Child marriages were about securing family alliances, and the young pair were kept separate until they were old enough.
That diss to musical theater kids!