AC - Nordschleife - Porsche 917/30 CanAm 1973 - 1 lap
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First time i dont immediatly skip a simulator vid, but actually watch the entire thing cause it was that good
Zacheryah Much appreciated! Thanks for watching.
First few seconds i thought "woah the hand graphics are amazing" :) That looks so scary its amazing they found anyone to drive these beasts.
volvo245 Thanks. I don't really know how anybody would drive such beast in Nordschleife in real life... A license taken on the sim. Other thing is Spa or Lemans, although still a fantastic challenge considering the unbelievable acceleration of this car...
Willi Kausen drove his 917/10 here along with other Can-Am carsand I'm pretty sure they used the complete track:- Sudescheife and Nordschleife in Interseries racing. I think Ralph Kellners in his March 701 took the lap record for the complete lap that is North and South loops combined in 1971 I think, this was the last time the complete lap was used until they demolished the Sudschleife to build the Nurburgring GP circuit
John Phillips Thanks for the info. How interesting would be if Assetto Corsa built the historic versions of both loops... Perfect addition for the range of historic cars already available and more to come...
This car is constantly trying to kill you!
It's like committing virtual suicide. Can't imagine what would have been the feeling in real life...
It is the deadliest car (race drivers actually wept with relief when it was put to pasture) on the deadliest course...
Tires not warm / Track not “warm” (no rubber accumulated on the racing line) maybe???
@@elundjdmba no more like 1000-1500 hp depending on setup, cars an animal. Alresdy got nearly 400s on the back I think😂
A car for men. Not for nowadays gays.
footwork like Baryshnikov has those air cooled , German mechanical bits all humming in harmony like an angry Messerschmitt
Nice driving. On a few occasions it looked like the car was going to do it's own thing, but you held it together. Top job.
Mark Jepson This is certainly a tough combo, but it delivers as much fun.
Your an accomplished sim racer. I enjoy watching you drive. Excellent skills and technique in your driving.
Thanks again Adam. Plenty of practice and learning from my simracing colleagues that have much more experience and know far more than myself. I hope you also enjoy the rest of the channel.
Holey dooley . . did I just see that? my gawd, that was freaking fast and scary as hell.. .. loved every second of it.
Thanks for your kind words Mark. It was a fun drive for sure. Plenty more in the rest of the channel btw. All the best.
you are WAY braver than I. Wow, great skill and courage. Well done on that lap.
Thanks for watching. I would say I am simbrave... Wouldn't do that for real! XD
This is an amazing video,the skill it took to keep the car going in a straight line,then accelerating out of the bends cars sideways at over 130 mph. Simply amazing. Would really like to see Hamilton,Vettlel drive this .
Hi zeus 5029, I'm not sure their insurance (or current teams) would allow them to do this for real! ;) Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you enjoy the rest of the channel... And sorry for the late response.
@zeus 5029 - I'd rather see the driver this car was designed to be driven by - Mark Donohue, but unfortunately, that can't happen. Mark spent time in Germany helping Porsche design and engineer this car. He probably had more technical expertise than any other driver at the time - he earned a B.S. in mechanical engineering from Brown University. He reportedly said this was the only car he had ever driven that could spin the massive rear tires at 200 mph!
Do you want them killed? 😂
Just wow! Loved the video. :) Airborne! :) At times the car seemed pretty loose. :(
alan shoemaker Thanks for watching
This is amaizing. Speed and driver. Respect
Thanks for watching and commenting. Much appreciated. Hope you enjoy the rest of the channel.
Mighty !!! It will never be like this again.
It's great to see simracing developing so well and being able to evoke and to play its part in bringing those great times of motorsport in some shape and form. Yes, not all is back but, hey, we can be protagonists of it all!
It's like looking at a very large dragon trying to play hopscotch on a kid's playground :)
Wow. First few moments I thought this was in real life. I missed the "AC" for Assetta Corso. I have never seen the graphics look that good. Looks like you have a great set up.
SnowyOwl Thanks for watching and leaving your thoughts. I’m glad you liked it and I hope you also enjoy the rest of the channel.
Great video!!! What a Beast of a car!
Thanks deco983! Much appreciated.
Veramente emozionante! Che pilota!
Thanks!
Wow, great driving. That 917/30 looked like a handful even in a sim racing game. I can't imagine how tough it would be to drive a 1500 bhp race car with a spool around a track. I bet it's a very unforgiving vehicle trough the corners when you don't respect the power. The thought of that much power with the rear wheels locked at the same speed at all times is unbelievable.
Thanks a lot wackomanx. Indeed, I can't imagine what would be driving that beast in reality in Nordschleife... Power is brutal but, perhaps, this is one of the cars where simracing can't make a fair representation of reality. I am not sure how you will replicate such accelerations! Thanks for watching. Hope you enjoy the rest of the channel.
Think it had a twin turbo flat 12 technically a v12 in some ways.this thing was known as a cam am killer and i presumed they had v8 turbos
Your skill is impeccable. And your heel-toe...
Thanks for watching and the compliment. Still learning a lot with this fantastic thing that is Simracing.
Insane car. Your a hand shake away from death at any given time. Great driving by the way. Ps, is it a mod or a post filter your using. It looks so realistic, so 1970's, brilliant.
Thanks Darren. It wasn't a special filter. Just AC defaults I believe.
I could imagine this smashing the 6:11 Porsche 962's 6 minuets 11 seconds, especially with Stefan bellof behind the wheel of that too, great video
Thanks. It's a tricky one. Extraordinarily fast on straights but not easy on corners... But I'm sure the master would get there. Hope you enjoy the rest of the channel.
JO Simracing if I'm honest, you made it look easy, I was genuinely scared just from looking at it, kinda envy being able to drive like that
The 956 was so more advanced in terms of Aero, so I don't think this car could beat that time.
j black possible, but it had less power and more weight, but yea it wasn't as aerodynamic as the 962
Jaden Bates I think they both had similar weights. But the 956 had over twice the downforce of the 917/30. And the ground effect was crazy.
great driving and foot work .
Thanks!
Jo Simracing awesome driving! do you race cars on the track? looks like you have the talent
Thanks for the kind words and for watching. I don't I'm afraid... I started simracing already quite late, let alone real racing... I would love to try though, but I'm sure the real thing is a different thing altogether.
Great video. Thanks. Now I have to go and try it. ;)
Thanks Hans. I’m sure you will enjoy this combo. And hope you enjoy the rest of the channel.
This was...godlike!
GREG 998 Thanks for the kind words
absolutes hammervideo,gänsehauteffekt,in den 80ern beim oldy-grand-prix am ring fuhr ein 917gegen einen aktuellen formel 1(alte start-zielgerade)war das eine gaudi mit dem staubsaugermonster!!!aufder geraden ein geschoss!unvergessendie zeiten!mfg
Ein weiteres außergewöhnliches Auto aus den 70er Jahren in der besten Spur der Welt. Ich habe über hunderte Videos in der Nordschleife ... Meine #StudioNords mit allen möglichen Autos. Obwohl die Klassiker die lustvollsten sind. Hoffe, dass Sie sie genießen.
Thanks for your reply!
Keep pushing!
Enjoy the moment!
👍👍👏👏🏎🏎🏆🏆
I don’t get involved with racing simulators due to a single reason: I would never get outdoors again. But considering I can drive a 917 at this level of realism I might change my mind...
I'm sure you will enjoy it Luiz Fernando. All the best. And thanks for commenting.
Thanks for the prompt reply. Like Wiener Jim, I took note of the gloves, but also the pullover/cardigan...VOT...no flameproof gloves and driving suit? I said to a good friend, who like me has followed motor sport back to the days of Fangio...the driver was probably wearing a polo helmet too.....grin.This clip will serve me very well into the future whenever I need "a fix" in watching exceptional driving.Jeff
6:28.86 - GOOD! And nice equipment. The WR is 6:04.533 but 6 minutes are breakable with this INSANE car. BTW: The title should state Tourist.
Thanks jakubkrcma. I have another one a few seconds faster but not as fast as 6:04. I might give another try now that I have a bit more experience... ;)
Amazing feetwork!
Thanks!
Several times it looked like the car would flip backward onto your head. Ouch!
Indeed. Great fun taking this beast to the edge...
I'm amazed at the complete lack of accuracy in the graphics. I mean... there just isn't ANYONE at CZcams corner! Where are Auto Addiction and Misha Charoudin? LOL Ok, I'm kidding. The sim absolutely looks FANTASTIC!
David Grason ... and the best of all is that, even with the well documented limitations, simracing is enabling the many that would have never had a chance to enjoy racing, to thrill and be thrilled about it. And without dying, being hurt or bankrupt after it.
There is plenty more in the channel, hope you enjoy it.
Hi! I ask you something, which simulator are using?
by the way: amazings skills!
Hi Santo888. This is AC (Assetto Corsa). I use most, if not all, of the sims (rF2, iRacing, AMS, AC, R3E, pCARS2, LFS, ...). Hope you enjoy the channel.
oldies but goldies!!!!!
Indeed. The classic's are certainly the real deal. Where I get more satisfaction driving. Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you enjoy the rest of the channel.
finally found this channel again
How do you keep your Logitech pedals clean? I'm having to clean the insides of mine because the throttle pedal goes nuts every 6 months or so
Hi Rick, sorry for the late response. I still have the G27 around but I've replaced them with the Heusinkveld. I did invert the G27 anyway and that was much better than before in their standard position...
Very impressive!
But for me, too much tire screaming.
Underinflated perhaps or it's the usual thing we should expect?
Thanks.
José Maria da Costa Coelho Filho Thanks for watching. You are right about tyre screaming. My knowledgeable friends always tell me how important is to avoid having any. The challenge is to get as close as possible to it without having it... I'm sure less of it is both desirable and possible with the right practice. Most of my videos are recorded with no pre-practice at all... Just as much as I can afford. Thanks
No turbo lag? Was that a limitation of the simulator at the time, or have they updated the 917/30? I don't get full boost until I'm in 4th gear because of how slowly the turbos spool!
I'm not sure about that. Other cars more clearly show the turbo lag. Where is it that you are getting it? Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you enjoy the rest of the channel... And sorry for the late response.
The Porsche 917/30 was basically designed with one driver in mind: Mark Donovan. The rest of the drivers who have driven it had to adapt as best they could.
The most American Porsche ever exist
Mark donohue ..r.i.p.
Were those guardrails there in 1973? Even scarier without them.
Thanks for watching and commenting Tireshredderjoe. The older Nordschleife version don't have them and, indeed, was more dangerous without them. Of course, you don't lose so much in simracing when you misjudge a corner ;)
Great screen config and driving! That screen set up is perfect, I’m looking to have 3 screens together without any borders like yours to build my racing sim, how did you do that?? Thanks in advance.
Thanks Chirstophe. I have the perfect FOV configuration for my 3 screens but I cheat with the bezel... I remove it at video post-processing. I'll send you the link to how I do it in a follow on comment... And hope you enjoy the rest of the channel.
This is how I remove the screens' bezels: czcams.com/video/Of_Zqm8iK_w/video.html
Alright! Well it’s been an hour I’m looking for such thing but can’t find any so I’m actually glad that you « cheat »... super enjoyable anyway, I hope to reach the same driving level one day! You deserve way more followers btw!
Thanks again Chirstophe. Have you seen this? facebook.com/verge/videos/1682121378490865/
Yeah I’ve seen this, that would be a nice solution for a triple screen. To be honest I’m still hesitating between buying a single screen for backup/normal gaming and play with the Vive for the racing games as it’s incredibly immersive but tiring too. So checking every possibility. I’ve been looking for every single details for months now ans I can’t wait to get going. Starting from scratch btw, all new.
Holy Crap that car is fast!!!!
Indeed! Thanks for watching.
1100-1500hp (depending on boost setting) 5.4 liter flat 12
What happened to the last few seconds and what was the lap time?
In the straight the car gets over 370 km/h... You can see that in this lap: czcams.com/video/wulX-X5zuwc/video.html with a lap time of 6'19. I did 6'28"56 on the lap in this video. I'm sure aliens can do it much quicker. lol
how did they have cameras like this back then
I don't think they did. One of the pros (in addition to not dying in the attempt) of simracing! Thanks for watching. Hope you enjoy the rest of the channel.
Sooo dangeours...
Nice skills and video.
Thanks Ricardo.
Why the need to brake with your clutch foot?
cool bike gloves. Where did you get them?
Decathlon is typically where I get that sort of gear...
what sim is this? I enjoyed this track (import) in Nascar Racing 2003 back in the day.
This is AC (Assetto Corsa) and the laser scaned Nordschleife. Thanks for watching.
What speed did it reach on the straightaway?
I have this other video where it shows: czcams.com/video/wulX-X5zuwc/video.html Being the tourist version, you have to break before you reach top speed but I was already on 373km/h. I'm sure that we suitable setups you can get closer to 400km/h on the full straight at Nords.
Which game is this? Love how you start in the car park
This is Assetto Corsa. I prefer calling them sims rather than games though ;). Thanks for watching!
this is the only car iv ever driven (in sim or real life lol) that i never felt quite in full control of EVER lol
eatthisvr6 It’s a tremendous car. You can’t never be in full control of such thing. Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you enjoy the rest of the channel.
JO Simracing what I meant was even at well over 100mph with full boost it was still trying very hard to make me headbutt the scenery! I hadn't touched a driving SIM for a while now but iirc I was more aggressive with it than you which I'm sure is the problem lol, I only really use stock setups too which might not help
eatthisvr6 Yep, this don’t take aggressiveness very well. It hits back with more than you can normally handle 😂 Regarding the setup, I don’t tend to change them much either. Defaults are typically good in AC.
is this running anywhere near maximum power? i hear 1500bhp
I think I had it configured to extract the maximum of the car... Although I wasn't running the turbo at 100% all the time to avoid breaking the engine. ;)
That display next to your shifter? What is that? An app?
Yes, Dashmeterpro from sensadigit. Thanks for watching.
What mods do you have installed for the Nordschleife?
That's the original Kunos Nords.
You would have thought this Porsche, could have challenged Stephan Belloffs, record time of 6min 11sec.
I wonder what lap time it managed, definately sub 7minutes.
Best I've managed is a 6:19 but I'm sure some aliens out there must do far better with this car and get close to, if not better than, the 6:11.
JO Simracing 5:43
Not a chance, Bellof had ground effects on his car, the 917/30 will loose every power advantage it has because it can't corner as fast.
911s73targa This car suffers from low grip when cornering, that's for sure! Thanks for watching.
Je ne savais pas que le gloved driver roulait pour vous 🤣
1:43
That could have resulted in a untimely death
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But yeah, I've driven this and the Sauber C9 a few times with a controller. Not easy vehicles..
Scary thing is you have to go fast, for them to work properly
It is sensational to see the 917 driven so close to the ragged edge. The driver certainly has BALLS. My only regret is that the clip ends just as the 917 is entering what appears to be the longest straight, while accelerating like almighty Christ passed 333kph.Does anyone know what was the top speed achieved.Thanks heaps for a remarkable clip.Jeff
jeff williams Thanks. It was my third ever lap in such mighty combo... Looking for my limits within an untrained situation. Answer to your question: Over 370 km/h... You can see that in this lap: czcams.com/video/wulX-X5zuwc/video.html It is overall faster but maybe not as espectacular...
Regarding the BALLS remark, you could say so within a simracing context... But the most you can lose is a few minutes, then back to pits and another go. A real life driving context with the 917 at Nordschleife would be a different thing altogether... I guess I would be a little bit more cautious ;-)
Is this car feel like to drive like 1500Horsepower?
Sure it is FFB wise... I'm sure that being in the real thing is a different thing altogether... Perhaps I would do a few more seconds... minutes... around Nordschleife with it ;)
So what can the _real_ Porsche 917/30 do on the Nürburgring??
There must be a video of the real one somewhere in CZcams. It must have been extremely difficult to extract the full potential of this car at Nordschleife... At least without being killed.
where did you get that mod?
zak loxray Porsche dlc pack
Clever editing there with mixing real stuff with video game - would take some time but if used the right sim, 4K screen, high end computer and and some editing effects might be able to make it seamless. Still this is cool video to mix all those shots together 👍🏻
HiZ RedShift Thanks for watching and leaving your thoughts.
Hey this is real right ? not some video game Any way I followed these 917s from 70 at Lemans to Can Am That was truly a gutsy time .
Hi there. Thanks for your kind words. This is simracing taken seriously, or at least trying hard to achieve a good level of realism. From system to technique, approach, etc. The 917s are absolutely in a different level. Extraordinary machines.
This is really good except for one thing. Real race tires do not give you audio feedback. I own and race a 935k3 735hp 2160lbs and can tell you this is really good except for short shifting that 12 cylinder turbo 1000-1200HP monster :-)
TheBill930turbo Thanks for watching and for your thoughts. Much appreciated. I suppose short siding this engine beast in real life would cause serious engine damage and possibly car control issues... What would be a more realistic regime? Thanks.
can you actually adjust the turbo strength on the fly?
MrThumbsofThunder I think so. At least on the sim.
JO...I know the real car was the first to have that turbo adjustment knob available to the driver on the fly. I'm a fellow simmer and a physics modder myself and have built this car for a Can-Am mod I did a couple years back. In researching this car I found it apparently hit 240mph on the back straight of Daytona running at full boost. I still prefer GTR2 for the physics of the game over the newer games. Just sucks that the Race 07 series lacks the content of GTR2 or I'd be playing that. Most everyone in the sim forums I'm at have the same comment/conclusion that after trying all the newer sims like AC and Rf2 etc, the newer games are far prettier graphically and the sounds generally are better but the physics are kinda generic feeling by comparison to the older Simbin titles. Can't say personally but this seems to be the typical comment from those who have tried them.
Awesome videos and even better driving! Nice rig.
Thanks again and for your contributions as a modder. I think it is not properly recognised the great work and contributions that modders brings to simracing. It wouldn't be the same without you all.
And as for the feeling of newer vs. older sims... I liked a lot my GTR2 sim but the limitation on number of controllers make it difficult for me to play it in my main rig. However, I prefer the FFB of rF2, AC or R3E. From my perspective they are more evolved and perfected. But, I'm sure this is very personal and subjective.
It will be great to meet you on the track and I wouldn't mind having a bit of a better understanding on modding... Where to start?
aw thanks mate.
I'm currently working on something called Absolute Le Mans Part 2..it encompasses the years1970 through 1983 I think it is. It really helps that I enjoy the researching aspect though so many cars were one-offs and rather obscure so sometimes it's really difficult to get legit. Other more well known cars on the other hand have all the needed specs to make the physics spot on. There's so freaking much to learn though with the nuances that can be done in the hdc and tyr files, it's always a learning curve lol.
Wow! Great run dude! what game is that?
Thanks for watching. This is Assetto Corsa.
das ding geht wie die hölle, wurde da keine zeit gemessen?
MrCaterchen 6'28"56 on that lap. I'm sure aliens can do it much quicker
6'19 here czcams.com/video/wulX-X5zuwc/video.html
Leo Kinnunen?
Might as well be a test pilot, same thing lol
1:49 slide at 327km/h.... I would shit py pants!!!!
If it wasn't a sim, I would indeed have. XD
So did the 917/30 ever race at the 'ring?
I'm not sure Erik. I'll have to investigate it...
@Erick Truchinskas - As far as I know the car only raced in the US and Canada in the now defunct Can Am series.
@@Loulovesspeed ah okay. Also by "race" I mean drive the track for any reason be it time record attempt, testing before given to penske, etc. From my research it never did unfortunately...
@Erik Truchinskas - It did set a closed course speed record at Talladega Speedway of 221.160 AVERAGE speed, proving its top speed was over 240 mph. No other road course machine has even come close to that and that was 46 years ago! It was so dominant that it caused the demise of The Can Am series in the U.S. and Canada. The car had enough horsepower to spin its rear tires at 200 mph!
Yes. In interseries. With 1000 hp 5 liter engine afaik
400 km/h in 5th gear easily ?
Thanks for watching. This car was excessive in all senses. Totally unbounded. Hope you enjoy the rest of the channel as well.
4 gears only... :-) My top speed ever is 410 km/h. www.radiators-champ.com/RSRLiveTiming/index.php?page=rank&track=3610&car=3680&rank_type=all&tyre_type=all&controller_type=all&community=all&friends=all Also did 409 at Highlands Long. But that setup was useless for regular driving - just top speed...
this looks ridiculously real...this can't be a ps4 version of the game.
This is the PC version of AC.
Isso é corrida! Hoje é tudo controlado por compudadores.....
I think I understand what you mean. Modern cars are all electronics... I'm always for the classics although, from time to time, a modern car can also be fun. Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you enjoy the rest of the channel.
Who needs 8 gears!
Indeed!
how you get that filter and realistic efect?
smokechok I think it is the camera... one of the cheap bullet ones. Driving me mad. Have had to reduce to minimums both monitor's brightness and AC exposure. I believe I use the 'cinema' (or is it called 'movie'/'film'??) filter in AC. Have also had good results with the 'natural' one. Despite the difficulties it's giving good results now.
What Game is this!? PLease respond I want this
Roger Ballog Assetto Corsa
thank you!
Thank you!!
Hairy!
Thanks for watching
Jason McMillan i
+450 k/h hunaudieres if raced in 1972
I've never been able to reach that speed with the 917/30. It must have been brutal in real life. All the best.
what kind of game is this
hero H Assetto Corsa
Granny gloves
What sim is this?
This is Assetto Corsa. Thanks for watching. Hope you enjoy the rest of the channel. There are many other sims featured there. Although AC is the most frequent one...
Who is driving...?
JO Simracing is driving (or, at least, trying :)
What....gear-shift....have this car....🤔🤔🤔, first and second......always...... third.....and....fourth.....little....😁.. Thanks.
Lucky that car came back in one piece..
Indeed.
This takes balls just to race this car in a sim
12boxer.. a 2,7bar aveva 1580cv..per 817kg... due turbine da camion eberspacher..
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1:51 goes airborne 0.0
Top Secret indeed, the front takes off. ;)
mal schnell 340 auf ner kurzen Geraden ... uiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Yep, it has a brutal acceleration...
Look mommy i can fly
Flat 12 twin turbo over 1000hp.wow imagine a ferrari super fast with a twin turbo😨😨
kyle norris That would be quite a thing...
@@JOSimracing yeah true.amazing machines cars can be
1,600 hp in a 1,200kg car, yes... I think the only people who'd really know what that would be like, are the ones who've done it. If you've ridden an early '80s 1100cc Jap 4 up a gravel road, where more than half throttle in top gear will give wheelspin, then you have some idea... The excess power is just so obscene, so ridiculous... Every moment, every heartbeat, the road changes camber, and the surface changes, and the fall-line points some place else, and the back of the bike goes where the fall-line goes, which means the rest of it goes the other way... and if you fart at the wrong moment, the throttle might jam open... Have you young fellows ever wondered why there is a kill switch with the starter button? Where you can reach it with your right thumb, without having to let go the twist-grip at all? There is a REASON for that....
Sure those were different times and a different breed of drivers...
Kneedragon1962 So whats the reason in those days comparing to present?
Can-am the fastest there was.....F1 eat your heart out...
Lots have changed on motor racing since these beauties where around...
Meeehhhhh. I can from a standing start hustle a Gen3 Camaro a full lap, back to where I started, not bridge to gantry in 7:32. Try again.
Lol gloves and racing shoes.
They serve me well. Thanks for watching. Hope you enjoy the rest of the channel.
wenn ich so zurückblicke,hmm ist doch besser als sex,oder?
Nun, ich bin mir sicher, dass das wahre Ding in einem ganz anderen Maßstab gewesen wäre ... Obwohl für viele sogar die Nordschleife in den Augen von Ursula Andress, Elke Sommers oder Hedy Lamarr verblasst ;)
The weight of your balls is unbalancing the car.
This was a delight to watch but you ruined the end by cutting the main straight!
Thanks Michael. It was the Tourist version and the straight was cut halfway any way. You can find a full run on the straight in a different video that I'll link in the next comment.
All that money invested into a sim rig setup with triple monitors and you haven't even taken the time to color match/Synchronize the monitors....
No paddles here.