The History of 1970's Punk
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- Hello Handsome! This video is Part 2 in the history of punk music. In this one we are taking a look at the very beginning of punk in the mid to late 1970's. This was a time when bands like The Ramones and The Sex Pistols ruled the world and we're gonna check it out!
1970’s Punk Playlist:
• The History of 1970’s ...
Timestamps:
00:00 Hello Handsome!
00:37 What is Punk?
01:39 CBGB
02:45 Patti Smith
04:17 Ramones
06:09 The Damned
07:29 Punk Fashion
08:15 Sex Pistols
10:32 Wire
12:01 X-Ray Spex
13:11 Buzzcocks
14:33 The Clash
16:31 What happened to Punk?
17:45 Peace!
Some Sources:
Please Kill Me by Gillian McCain and Legs McNeil
Punk: Attitude Documentary
End of the Century: The Story of the Ramones Documentary
www.britannica.com/art/punk
www.masterclass.com/articles/...
www.loc.gov/item/prn-10-116/
www.theguardian.com/music/200...
www.npr.org/2004/04/12/181464...
www.nytimes.com/2022/12/29/fa...
observer.com/2016/10/how-the-...
thelosangelesbeat.com/2018/11...
totallywiredmag.com/looking-b...
www.vice.com/en/article/4ade5...
www.x-rayspex.com
pitchfork.com/features/afterw...
#punk #punkrock #musichistory - Hudba
Good, fun stuff. But I’ve now watched three of these videos, and I’m shocked the words “The Jam” have not been uttered. Except of a few uneducated Americans, most historians see them as essential to the punk, post-punk, new wave movement. And, oh yeah, they were the most popular band in the UK for about five years.
No mention of The Saints? (I'm) Stranded is one of the greatest punk songs ever penned, heard they were popular over in the old dart too after they smashed through the glass ceiling here in Australia.
Gotta' say something here... This is a great video and I love that you're doing this series on punk, I'm nearly 60 and I remember the punk rock scene from the 70s period very well and was heavily into it, so these videos are great. Just on the Ramones, you said in the video the first time they played in Britain inspired bands in Britain to start their own punk movement, but when was that, you didn't say when they first played in Britain..? I will tell you the first time the Ramones played in Britain, it was July 1976, and at that time the Sex Pistols had been gigging in Britain for the best part of a year! The Ramones came to play in Britain in 1976 because there was a punk scene already happening there in London. The Sex Pistols started in August 1975 and by July 1976 when the Ramones did their first gig in Britain the Sex Pistols were already a renowned 'punk' band and punk was already a growing phenomenon in Britain. People often credit the Ramones for starting punk in Britain but what they don't know is that the Ramones and the Sex Pistols were bands that had locked into the happening of punk around the same time in New York and London, with the Ramones forming first. There was already an underground cultural and musical conversation going on between New York and London where the punk culture was forming and growing, it's really not as simple as saying this or that band started it, or it happened here or there first. That's a pedantic train of thought where logically you could take it all the way back to the 1960s with bands within the British invasion and their use of aggressive blues with heavy power chords, as you pointed out in your proto punk video, but let's not go there. What I will say is that the British punk scene was different to the American punk scene and what is globally considered punk today is much more of the British variety than the American in my view, but I guess that's up for debate too...
Forget which one of the.. now many documentaries on Punk.. Richard Hell mentioning meeting Malcolm McLaren..
Who of course is responsible for creating Or bringing together.. Generation X and Sex Pistols...
But the Buzzcocks were already going..
Damned as well... Correct!?...
As far as.. Inspiration and sound.. The later more aggressive GBH and Exploited etc..
Also the Oi/Street Punk sound..
Gave us Hardcore..
Our local bands here were just called Punk.. East Coast Hardcore was Minor Threat Bad Brains, etc...
Check out a band called..
Moral Panic...
Full album...
Let me know if you hear...
Rock.. Punk n roll.. or ? Cheers from Southern California
I agree, he's giving way too much credit to the Ramones for the British punk scene. The London pub rock scene in the mid 70's was the kindling of the punk scene, the Ramones may have helped to light the touch paper.
@@AtZero138 Surely it's crucial that, before the Pistols, McLaren managed the New York Dolls near the end of their career, and they played in the UK where various early UK punks saw them, either live or on their Old Grey Whistle Test appearance on TV.
@@crowhillian58 yep' totally..!
It is great reminiscing with you about all the cool 70’s early punk.
Ignore any negative comments - everyone wants to feel like the smartest person in the room. Just wanted to say thanks for the awesome video! You explain super clearly and even these longform videos are engaging until the end!
Thank you!
100% agree.
I'm putting this here not to argue but to add on what this video said
In the 70s England was in a financial crisis with a record breaking unemployment rate for youth. There was also some power conserving measures that led to cold winters. People were miserable and angry, and then they heard Punk from New York and they felt a voice for their rally.
Patty Smith influenced so many like Sex Pistols, the Smiths, Joy Division, Sonic Youth.
People were angry and they had a finally a sound to relate too. Then came a sudden influx of Carribean immigrants due their own political troubles.
This led to Reggae and Ska fusing into Punk.
The Specials, The Clash, and The Slits reflect this.
I was a 10 year old Canadian lad in 1977, the year Punk really hit in my country. I remember liking all the bands you mentioned and more (so many more). By 1980 I was 13 and starting to develop my own musical identity which included Punk as a major corner stone however, the sounds of the Police, Elvis Costello, The Cure, Boomtown Rats, and of course Siouxsie and the Banshees began molding my tastes entering the 80's Then bands like the Smiths, The Stone Roses, XTC, Yazoo and Depeche Mode brought me into my 20's and soon the 1990's. There were of course Canadian and American bands that completed my foundation, bands like the New York Dolls, Blues Rock from ZZ Top and Top Jimmy and the Rhythm Pigs, New Wave like Blondie and Missing Persons and experimental music from Frank Zappa and The Violent Femmes. There was just Fantastic music everywhere it seemed, and it was such a special time in my life. Great second video, looking forward to the rest of the series!!
Thanks so much! And yea sounds like a hell of a time to be a teenager. Crazy to think that so many of those bands were directly influenced by a lot of the bands in this video. I had a lot of the same favorites growing up (especially The Police). Thanks for sticking around and thanks for watching!
Good on you for mentioning Wire as a *punk* band first. While there’s no denying the impact The Sex Pistols had, Wire to me is both peak punk and the beginnings of what came afterward. Pink Flag is punk squared or punk punking itself. From there, you get a spiraling expansion with both Chairs Missing and 154, which encapsulates nearly all the post-punk groups and then some.
"If he was such a good manager, how come we didn't make any money until after the band split up?" John Lydon on Malcolm McClaren.
"We left the Grundy Interview and Malcolm was having a nervous breakdown, he wanted to end it all there" Steve Jones
Mclaren was a very good self publicist after the Pistols broke up, but the band thought he was a useless manager.
People forget that the Buzzcocks self released their first EP, no label required and did not lose money on it. Tony Wilson took notes (same town and he knew about the scene/helped promote it) and started Factory records as a result.
Thank you....
I feel blessed to have been able to have met them.. seeing them play... I was production assistant for the Ink N Iron festival in Long Beach CA 🇺🇸..
They absolutely Sounded Amazing...
No equals..
I saw The Talking Heads after Remain in Light was released. I love them!
Punks not dead, it just smell funny.
Nice 😂
The Adverts! Good rundown other than that.Oh, no, hang on, also Stiff Little Fingers.
Also, your proto-Punk one could have done with a bit about Pub Rock. Very important influence on UK punk.
Thank you, David!! Beautiful channel for music lovers!! 🖤♥️!!
An omission this audiemce might find interesting is that Pete Burns from later Dead or Alive fame was in the center of the Westwood punk fashion scene, even forming a punk band who only played one performance in Liverpool in 1977, the Mystery Girls with Julian Cope, Pete Wiley, and Phil Hurst. He formed a few other more punk bands theoughout the 70s but when Rip It Up came out in 89 he wanted to back to his punk origins but the label wouldnt let him and forced thr band ro stay in thr New Wave box.
Great video but I miss the Stranglers!!!!!
why wasn't Richard Hell mentioned in the punk fashion section? Richard Hell was dressing like that all the way back in 1973! When he was in Television, when McLaren went to the US in 1975 he stole the idea of his "prickly hair and torn clothes" and brought it back to Britain
It is true that McLaren copied a lot of Richard Hell’s style onto the Sex Pistols. I didn’t want to dwell too long on the fashion aspect however. I wanted to keep to what was relevant to the story of the Pistols for the sake of time. Will most likely touch on Hell in the next video since that one will include Television.
That old spiky hair story...
Fact is John Lydon claims he and his frieds were inspired by Bowie, not Hell. I am inclined on believing him as Bowie had almost the same look on the early Ziggy Stardust cover.
Fact also is... Hell didn't look very different from Keith Richards or Rod Stuart, not very much like the later Spiky Sid vicious look.
Good video. You have a 1950s Greaser vibe for this video. I would say that many 70s NYC bands actually were decent musicians but not as virtuosic as the Prog Rockers or professional as Pop musicians. I would say that early Ramones and New York Dolls were the "barely able to play their instruments," vibe.
The UK 77 scene is mainly what you are tapping into (my bread and butter). Some of the pictures you used are UK 82 which is more bands like The Exploited, Discharge, and Crass. That was a bit latter and basically mirror the US Hardcore scene as much faster and harder than the UK 77 Punk. These were the punks with the tall mohawks and Goth makeup on. There is a bit of overlap where the 77 bands were ebbing, breaking up, or transitioning into other Post Punk types of bands as the 82 bands were forming (like around 78-81). Also a few bands predated Punk 77 and slip into the scene like The Stranglers and The Vibrators. You also missed The Jam in there.
So finding a clean break of where genres and subgenres begin and end is fuzzy and problematic. If you like UK 77 sound definitely look up bands that go under "Punk Rock" and "Street Punk" as those bands tend to sound closer to those original bands. Its also worth pointing out that most music scenes typically have about a 3-5 year shelf life. One reason is that as a musician, you tend to learn and expand your tastes ans preferences. You get better playing your instrument and develop more complex chops. So for a genre like Punk, musicians would frow out of that fairly quickly. Also the scene changes and people come and go. This is as true for Punk as it was for Grunge or Bosa Nova.
I will point out that as Punk was splintering you did have a subgenre called Psychobilly that bubbled up. The Meteors did open for The Clash after all. Also you had The Cramps with the 1950s cover of "Goo Goo Muck," that everyone seems to not be able to get enough of these days.
All good points. I was pretty back and forth on including The Cramps in this video. Honestly might do a video on Horrorpunk at this rate but not sure yet. There are so many genres that branched off of the 70’s punk movement it’s hard to keep track of them all. Thanks for watching!
@@JukeboxHistory
The Cramps are an interesting band and occupy a niche most bands don't. They were around during the Punk hey day but really they did wild covers of 50s music. While they definitely can be included on Horror Punk, Punk Rock, and even Psychobilly, they still mainly just stayed to themselves. I do regret that I never saw them live, I would have liked them but mainly I got into them after Lux passed away and way before the whole Wednesday phenomenon.
The only other band I know where they are their own institution and have a toe in different scenes is Social Distortion. If you watch old Punk documentaries, they will interview Mike Ness and maybe there is a brief mention of the band but usually not. Mommy's Little Monster is definitely a Punk album and they played loads of Punk shows but the heart of the band is really in Classic Rock. I have seen them play with many different bands and they are a entity onto themselves.
If you did band videos both Cramps and Social Distortion would be good bands onto themselves. It would definitely simplify things. I would also say The Damned weave in and out of subgenres too.
I'm really enjoying your punk series! I was watching your wonderfully informative Dorian Electra video as I was preparing for bed when you uploaded this one, so I'll comment here on both. I've been almost exclusively listening to punk and seeing local (Atlanta) punk bands for 2 years. I discovered hyperpop in 2022 and I've been spinning "Flamboyant" frequently. I was really proud of myself for embracing a new genre, but now I realize that hyperpop incorporates so much of what made me fall in love with music to begin with. I started buying records in 1983/84 and I had Prince, Laurie Anderson, David Bowie, A Flock of Seagulls and Culture Club. I feel like I've come full circle! And I'm so glad the opportunity to wear guyliner presented itself to you. You looked great!
Thank you so much for the kind words! And I’m glad you’re loving some hyperpop. Dorian really does have some similarities to those 80’s greats. Probably because they’re so “flamboyant” 😂 really glad you’re along for the ride so thanks for watching!
Great video, BUT I can't believe Death wasn't mentioned. They arguably started punk in the states, and their sound can still be found among current iterations of punk music.
not really surprised about that tbh
They were more of a proto punk group, and sadly they had almost no influence, because no one really heard them.
And might I add Iggy, Death and The MC5 are from Detroit. :)
I've heard all the influential pre punk bands, including the Monks, Silver Apples, Suicide and the Flamin' Groovies, but I've never heard anything by 'Death', so I can't see that they were a significant influence.
I think that’s a bit of an overstatement. Their sound was ahead of its time and they came out of the same scene as bands like the stooges and the MC5 but they weren’t very well known outside of detroit until the internet age. Fantastic band thoufh
Probably not relevant to this video , but I was into the Anarcho Punk scene in the mid 1980's , used to go to Trinity Hall in Bristol England , almost weekly to watch bands such as Crass , Amebix , Charged GBH , Subhumans , even saw the amazing Crucifix !
Disorder and Chaos UK and Vice Squad were from the Bristol area , but don't think that they played Trinity Hall at that time , did see the well known metal/thrash punk band Onslaught !! Saw them in Kingswood Bristol !
Sounds like you were in the right place at the right time 👏 I’m sure there are some good stories from that time!
I’m loving all the references to “Complete Disorder” in the various media sanctimonious reports on the UK football skirmishes on 28 Jan 😂
Great channel bud.
Another reason why punk quickly fizzled out: nobody really knew how many of the alienated people that were dissatisfied with their lives there were until punk came along. A lot of the people in it thought that this kind of stuff only happened to their little group of friends at their school. They then saw that there were millions of people worldwide that were feeling this way, and many of them couldn't handle that.
Awesome! Entertaining to watch and kept me curious for the next ones.
The bands are infinite and you covered pretty well, including the most notorious/important ones and some I didn't know.
And I also would recommend Dead Kennedys, Black Flag (which you mentioned), The Wipers, Dead Boys, Kaaos which are more towards the end of the 70s to the 80s. Good job!
Nice jacket by the way👍
Thanks so much! And yea we’ll definitely be talking about Hardcore Punk in a later video. Appreciate the suggestion for this genre 👍🏻
@@JukeboxHistory You're welcome. It's becoming more and more interesting.
This was fun.👍
I haven't had a chance to watch this video yet, but I'm looking for a band, I thought their name was WAR, that did a live album in NYC in 1979. It was super heavy, and I remember being shocked because based on the sound I assumed it came out in the mid-90's. It would mean a lot to me to find this, not just because I like it, but because my husband used to play it. He passed away very unexpectedly last year, and for some reason Spotify doesn't keep a history going back farther than the last 16 artists played now.
Let me do some digging. I think I can find something
@@JukeboxHistory Thank you! It would mean a lot to find this band. They were/are freaking awesome. Even if you don’t find anything, thank you for even trying.
Finally got a chance to finish this and the Proto-Punk video.
First, your channel is freaking awesome. A hidden gem of the internet that hope blows up to the Hope Diamond it deserves to be! How you have less than 1000 subscribers is a complete mystery to me.
After watching these two videos, I'm wondering if what I'm looking for isn't more Proto-Metal than Proto-Punk. Nothing touched being nearly as "dark" or bass heavy as what I remember. The last two subgenres seem promising though. I know my husband was a fan of the Dead Kennedy's when he was young.
@@XANDRE. from what I was looking up the only thing I could find from around that time period in NYC that’s pretty heavy is either DNA or The Contortions which would be No Wave. Do either of those bands sound familiar?
@@XANDRE. if it’s more in the metal vein I can take a look at that as well. The fact that it’s a live album helps narrow it down
For some reason I didn't connect the name of the Sex Pistols with the store Sex?? That's wild. I want to do a cover band called the Hot Topic Pistols now
I thought the Ramones came slightly after The Sex Pistols. Granted. I was 12 or 13 about the time punk hit really hard. It really did show up, kick a$$, then left. It did seem like all the bands broke up quickly.
RAMONES!!...
1974...
No New York Dolls?
They are brought up in the Proto Punk video
I'll check it out. Thanx
On another point, I do find it hard to believe that you chose Television, Joy Division and the Smiths as your key post punk bands..! Joy Division certainly, but what about Siouxsie and the Banshees, who totally influenced Joy Division, by Joy Division's own admission, what about PIL who are essentially credited with releasing perhaps the first post punk single and totally influencing post punk there after? What about Killing Joke, Bauhaus, The Cure, Theatre of Hate, all big post punk bands who shaped and birthed the genre..? (And please don't say they were Goth bands because they only look like Goth bands retrospectively to young reporters like yourself, no disrespect, but at the time they were just straight up punk or post punk bands). And for your hard or thrash punk bands you totally missed out Crass, who started that strand of punk..! C'mon man, get it right, talk to some old guys that were there at the time!
1979? Stiff Little Fingers...
Mostly nicely done, but X-ray spex WAS Punk! Musically! Not very close to later New Wave pop.
Early punk musically was very diverse, US also had Pere UBu, Mink de ville, Suicide, Wayne County, Television, Voidoids, Deadboys, pure hell, Stimulators, Pagans...
Uk had early Stranglers, Slaughter and the Dogs, Sham 69, Cock Sparrer, Jam, Adverts, Uk subs, Fall, Eater, boys, Adicts, Gen x, Slits, Chelsea, many more...
No, I'm in the middle of taking a dump.
I'd normally shut you down on this subject, but yeah you kinda know what you are talking about, just don't do one about the Cure or Joy Division
GANG OF FOUR!
Check out my Post-Punk video for them! 4️⃣
Ramones released 3 punk albums, let alone the first, before the Pistols.
Get outra here
you make it sound like punk ended in 1979. That is FAR from the truth. And London Calling hardly closed out 1970's punk like no other. Punk was still alive and very heathy in 79, 80, 81, 82 and 83 in England. VERY healthy.
OI! (happened in the UK) Hardcore! (happened in the USA) While 'punk' didn't 'end' in '79, it became less interesting.
@@petercrowley41 not to me
Nothing against your video, really dig your content and approach. Just want to rant about how much I despise the clash…
The Cash, I mean the clash, were the epitome of upper-middle class appropriation of working class culture - Joe Strummer’s dad was a diplomat FFS!
These fakes feigned impoverished backgrounds to build cred whilst co-opting the best organic elements of the UK anti-establishment scene; commercialised it (well beyond what that deviant scumbag rip-off merchant Malcolm McLaren did with the Pistols); drew focus away (with the establishment press treating them like darlings) from the true progenitors of innovative, political-activist rock-punk-ska-reggae artists; and killed the whole movement by making “punk” mainstream, bourgeois BS. If I was a conspiracy theorist I’d say they were a psy-op invented to distract and dissuade the burgeoning youth movement from gaining true class consciousness & smashing the State!
The Clash were a bunch of overexposed & overrated posers pretending to be working class renegades. In truth, they were manufactured sellouts used to quell an anarchic social movement before it had a chance to achieve real power and influence. Granted, they tailored some cleverly crafted singles with accompanying marketing, but in sum most of their output is boring tripe & filler. Prove me wrong.
I’m hearting your comment because it’s hilarious lol I personally love London Calling but they def came from money (which isn’t always necessarily a bad thing but hey). It is amazing that if you scratch the surface of the punk genre (which is very anti commercial and anti selling out) you’ll find loads of groups who came from money or who were prepped for the music industry. Also a ton of bands who signed to major labels out the gate. And they were always the biggest acts! Thanks for watching 🫡
You're spot on re these (con)artists coming from privilege and getting signed to majors in a heartbeat - and there's all sorts of explanations for these circumstances and outcomes - If your music is groundbreaking, seminal, and simply wonderous all power to you. My main contention, and focus of the rant, was a disdain for the clash - never resonated with their music and joe strummer came across as an aristocrat slumming it in search of some form of social redemption and authenticity. Being privileged can also be a curse but to pretend you are from the working class and represent their class struggle is just repugnant. Give me a Michael Gira (with all his character flaws & criminal history) and SWANS single-chord drones any day of the week over the twaddle espoused by strummer & his manufactured "punk" boy band. Thanks for the feedback.@@JukeboxHistory
Punk is dead.
How can you call this the "History of 1970's Punk" and just gloss over Black Flag and the West Coast's importance in this movement....this is completely lazy and irresponsible.....I was part of the infant Punk scene in LA....I've seen the history being made....this is my Tribe...and to see you downplay it infuriates me....this is not the history of 1970's Punk...it's Your history of 1970's Punk....you've lost credibilty...
Hardcore is going to be it’s own video.
“If you don’t hear me talk about a band in this video I’m saving them for another part in the series”
At the end of the video I talk about how Hardcore will be the last video in the series
OH SHIT OK....I apologize....in that case I'll keep watchin cuz I like the Goth vid....once again sorry!@@JukeboxHistory
Cheers from Westminster CA...
Our history is deep..
SoCal is it's own Punk...
Why it gets called Hardcore...
I think after the American Hardcore documentary...
Hardcore always meant.. those dudes in that band.. have jobs and have read a book and may even read another one...
@@AtZero138 West M u holding it down 4 the OG Punkers V13/SxM here
Lots of misinformation and bias in this video. You should do better research. Many good books on English punk out there for you to read. Long but worthwhile to better understand what you're speaking about
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@@JukeboxHistory No interest in hearing what books you could read to improve your knowledge of history?
this is such a whitewashed history of both british and american punk ?