Why couldn't Antony Win Over Octavian? - The Last Civil War - History of Rome - Part 9
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i had assumed because Agrippa
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The main reason was Agrippa. Was instrumental in helping octavian with rome itself as aedile, was instrumental against sextus pompey, the illyrians and was the mastermind behind Actium
I just saw the title, and clicked on it just to write this haha.
Glad to see others keeping up.
The Roman Empire, the fall of the Roman Republic and the war between Mark Anthony and Octavian and the establishment of the Roman Empire are very interesting imho.
A story so iconic that it's been told again and again in various inspired fictional tragedies. Star Wars being an obvious example with its own fall of the Republic and transition into an empire. And somehow it doesn't get old all that quickly. I've watched so many videos on the civil war between the triumvirate and the Caesareans and yet I don't ever miss a new upload on the topic.
Yea it’s by far one of the best stories in history. So many powerful themes
@@MintyLime703 I have seen History Marche's Punic Wars which are great! Knowledgia's content is always top quality and Kings and Generals are also very good and focus on individual battles and Invicta has some great videos on Roman Life/Culture to name but a few on CZcams alone.
Knowledgia always has high quality videos from this one about the Second Triumvirate to Medieval and Colonial History with fantastic maps, insight and graphics alongside the scripts to teach the public about history in a fun and interesting way. The other channels are also really good and generally high quality also and I recommend you check them out.
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While I get that it is convenient historically to call Caesar's heir as Octavian, it is worth noting that after the adoption of Gaius Octavius into the Caesar's death, his official name was Gaius Julius Caesar. That is what the men around him called him. Antony has famously uttered the following with respect to the young Caesar - " The boy who owes everything to his name." The boy used the name Julius Caesar very effectively to gather Caesarians to his cause.
Antony really couldn't get away from that Cleoussy.
Amazing work. I love the history telling and being paired with the animation it makes it even better. Look forward to the next video!
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In 35 BC, the Armenian King (Artavasdes II) concluded that Antony was walking into a trap, after Antony's siege equipment was destroyed, so he retreated to save his men. Modern scholars reject Plutarch's assertion that Antony failed because of Artavasdes; Artavasdes II was just a scapegoat, the real reason was poor logistical planning.
Such a great topic, thank you!
Anthony was the glue .held them all together..
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I've written a thesis on Marc Anthony and I just gotta say that this feels like a very rushed introduction will multiple misconceptions.
You failed to establish that Octavian wasn't heir as in hereditary ruler, but merely heir to the larger part of Caesar's coin.
However there were other minor heirs. For an example Anthony got his part as well and the wife of Caesar handed Anthony all of Caesar's legal papers.
Octavian was not adopted when Caesar died. This happened posthumly after his death and according to his will - eventhough noone had ever been adopted after the death of their adopter before in Roman history.
Octavian held no significant offices and Anthony was the clear ruler both in office as the co-consule of Caesar but also as leader of the caesarian faction.
So it is not true that Anthony didn't have any support left in the Senate. In fact he had the backing of most of the caesarian faction in the Senate.
Also it was actually Anthony who held enough political influence to broker a peacedeal with the liberators/killers of Caesar and continue peace in Rome for almost a year after Caesar's death.
Caesar's enemies accepted Anthony in part of their "democratic" and peaceful ideology, in part out of respect for Anthony (they made a deal not to kill Anthony, only Caesar) and finally because he quickly established himself as the ultimate power factor in terms of military.
Thus Anthony had not lost the backing of the Senate - a large part Senate even fled to Anthony when the triumvirate fell apart and Anthony and Octavian were at war.
It is however true that the liberators banded together to give chase to Anthony and aid decimus Brutus.
And here is the major point listen closely: It was the liberators aka Cicero who put Octavian in power, because he thought he could manipulate and control him to get rid of Cicero's biggest enemy and in his eyes largest power factor, namely Anthony.
Alas Cicero didn't know that Octavian was a master manipulator and would end up turning against him.
The only reason why Octavian gained influence among the military veterans of Caesar was that he called for vengeance - thus he has to follow this quest and betray Cicero.
In fact it was the moderate and cooporating style of Anthony that made some veterans choose Octavian over Anthony.
In order to not loose support of the veterans Anthony had to follow the path of vengeance against Caesar's murderers. Thus history happened.
Also all the propaganda about Anthony being immoral and disowning traditions were directly instigated by Octavian to gain support and turn the public and veterans of Rome against Anthony. While the veterans wouldn't fight Anthony maybe they would fight Cleopatra with Anthony as someone who had lost his wits because of this woman.
We must remember that Augustus was the Victor and he could therefore write history and everyone had to abide by the first emperor and so the sources are very biased towards Anthony replicating Augustan propaganda. Also Cicero wrote about Anthony as an enemy. Cassius Dio used Augustus as an ideal emperor to criticize later emperors and politicians. Thus we have to be aware as historians and not get lost in the bias of the sources. Appian and Caesar are perhaps better sources for Anthony as a person.
HBO Rome did a good job in representing Octavian rise by manipulating Cicero.
I agree with you just remember this isnt a good vs bad story.
Is a struggle for power between 2 ambition and ruthless men that mark the birth of an empire.
So their is some true on both sides.
@@avalle4493 true that it is two men wanting to grab the power for the sake of their own benefit.
I just need to represent what is being misrepresented about Anthony because this is the factual problems that keeps being repeated because people are not being critical about the sources and augustan propaganda.
I haven't measured good or bad. I have used a theory on power to show the resources of Anthony in the sources in terms of military, political, successor ideology, and titular power in comparison to Octavian.
It's amazing how the storytelling narrative of Octavian still echoes in the way history is represented today. Along with the Phillipics. Plutarch also wrote from what he got in the Phillipics.
It is very clouded to find out what truly happened 2000 years ago but that's what makes the detective work interesting.
@@DanishCamp Agree.
Is ilogical to believe Anthony the incompetent brute that sometimes is represented.
He will never be the most powerful man in Rome like that.
What i do believe is true is how he was outclased in politicis by Octavian and by Agrippa in the battlefield.
@@KingNoTail I mean the misconceptions about this subject is pretty widespread especially in popular culture and all over youtube but somewhat in the research too. Therefore I cannot really plame Knowledgia being a light entertainment channel. I am sure they do a lot of good videos and help spread love for history. However as a historian I feel obligated to point out as many mistakes as possible in order to have history dissiminated a little more correctly in the future.
@@DanishCampthis is why I love people like you who really take the time & effort to correct / add in details for people like me who are absolutely mesmerized by history & love every single little bitty detail to historic events , I’ve lately been on a binge the past few days reading & refreshing my memory on Caesars infamous life & more so death, I’ve learned the basics 10 years ago in school very briefly & knew a tad bit about it on my own time so the past 2 days as I do with important historic events & peoples all the time I will indulge every few days on a certain person or moment of history & learn very much about it, hence why I stumbled across the video & why I love people like you who know there shit & take the time out to write particular details of misconceptions & the very detailed truth that many people look over just to get to the well known parts but as a person who is fascinated with history with a passion as I am I truly appreciate you giving me a better look & insight into the not so much written about details that help me better understand how things particularly worked & played out into the moments that are well known so your comment really helped me out in understanding the context & the tiny things that might not interest the general reader who are just looking for summarized moments in historic events , again thank you & hopefully you know much more about other historical moments so when I fall under a certain event I can see you comment more details about another moment 😂😂 it’s comments like yours that matter the most to me cause once I’m binging on a certain event I really like to get down into the most minuscule details about said events that most people don’t care about 😂 hopefully I can learn about more things from u in the future love intellectual comments like yours really opens your eyes to understand things in a unbiased manner 👌🏻💯
Good vid man
I am glad to share this.
Love your content.
Amazing video
Well anticipated video 🎉
In 20 BC, Augustus Caesar (also known as Octavius) reversed Antony's occupation of Armenia, and renewed that Kingdom's sovereignty and independence, despite its situation as a buffer state between the empires. From that, Augustus gets my respect.
Augustus gets your respect by giving power to country that is Roman's enemy's vassal and endangering Rome's own safety?
@@krishnagopalsrivastava2084 Armenia wasn't a Vassal Kingdom, at that time; they weren't paying an annual tribute. More accurately, Armenia was a Buffer State, between Rome & Parthia. Artavasdes II, who benefitted from Caesar's generosity, was the son of Tigranes the Great.
Give us series about Greeks from Minoans,Mycenaeans to Sparta, Athens and Macedonia and Alex the Great, war of diadochi and Seleucids... you get the point..
PS. Love Rome series ❤
Good
Nice vid
সম্পূর্ণ ভিডিও তে সুন্দর ভাবে ইতিহাস ব্যাখ্যা করা হয়েছে, এবং সর্বশেষে কাব্যিক বাক্য গুলো মন জোড়ানোর মত। ধন্যবাদ।
A wonderful historical coverage video of the organization of imploding of Roman Empiren authoritative due the looms of civil wars (.Pragmatic and opportunities practiced) ....thank you ( Aknowledgia) channel for sharing
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imagine the complete history of rome by Knowledgia with this animations
You guys made Octavian so handsome 😍How accurate is that illustration?
This channel and many others like it,are the one of the main reasons for the latest tiktok trend, women asking men in their lives "how much do you think about the Roman empire?"......love the video btw 1:41
Learning about Ancient Rome in A Levels. Augustus was so sick. Tiberius was my favourite though
Nice.
I remeber when I first leraned about this war as a kid. Before that I was aware of Julius Ceasar and his succeses, intrest in which was sparked by Asterix cartoons. I did not now what happened after his death. When I learned there was a war between son of his sister who he adopted against his general who got close with Cleopatra herself, and they had great battle at Actium this was such thrilling and exciting news for me fr as a kid.
Watching whole Roman history is more exciting than watching Anime😎
100'000 jesus classic antiquity surely was on another level such numbers in battles would be reached only in WWI again
I wonder what caused Marc Antony to lost what would've been his sound judgement in the last several years of his life. Surely it couldn't have been Cleopatra.
I would love to know much about this section of history and others. Though I lack some fundamental points. Does anyone know a great introduction? I would be very glad to know!
Historian Civilis has an amazingly detailed series of the civil wars
@@gheddafiduck8239 Thank you I will check it out! :)
@@spider9254 you’re welcome
1. Italy is multiple waring villages
2. United under Rome
3. Republic Formed
4. Caesar born and conquers France and the West
5. Caesar makes Augustus heir and Caesar killed
6. Marc Antony tries to wage civil war but spends his days loving Cleopatra instead
7. August expands empire
8. Caligula makes horse senator
9. Nero has boy wife and kills Christians
10. Trajan brings empire to its greatest size. From Portugal to across Turkey.
11. Elagabalus cross dresses
12. Crisis of third century almost destroys empire
13. Aurelian saves it
14. Constantine becomes Christian
15. Huns invade
16. Honorius feeds pigeons
17. Vandals invade
18. Italy is multiple waring villages
@@AYVYN OH great! I appreciate it!!
The first emperor won against his rivals then his rule truely begun
How often do you think about the roman empire
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Why would you settle for half an empire when you can have it all?
Because of Agrippa.
Because he didn't have Agrippa
My fellow lads, Have you thought about the Roman Empire today?!
I love how Pompey was governor of all the islands and Peloponnese. Treaty of Border Gore was clearly in effect.
He made it easy indeed
The only problem with this is that he also invited Persia and loss badly
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Why couldn't Antony Win Over Octavian?
Cuz Agrippa was a thing, he was the lone reason why Octavian won, Mark Antony would have destroyed him otherwise
I can answer that in one word: Agrippa.
the enemy of my enemy is my friend (for a time:P)
you should do your homework, yes Octavian promised legions for Anthony's campaign against Parthia however evidence suggests they never actually arrived!!!
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Octavian is a genius. Intelligent, rational a true mastermind. Cold and efficient. A true sigma 😂 we would say nowadays.
You can't win a civil war between benders, Marcus Antonius.
Imagine if Anthony fight on land and not at sea *actium) would the outcome be any difference?
You didn't answer the question of the video title, you just told us how he lost, but not why or if it was hopeless for him.
Facio Latina Duo, et mei Latina est non bonus. Sed lingua Latina et Latinae historiae sunt non dura intelligare et sunt bona scire. Scientiae Latinae debet esse salvus et perpetua semper.
(I do Latin Two, and my Latin is not good. But the Latin language and Latin's history they are not hard to understand and they are good to know. The knowledge of Latin it must be safe and constant always)
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I thought Octavian was a street urchin that worked with a former general turned gladiator to overthrow antonius?
17:51 already mistakes but now...Greek Cleopatra is sub saharan African? Nope, nope, not doing this.
Tldr agrippa is why Antony couldn't win
& Roman inherent distrust of a foreign female Queen, & Antony's loyalty to his relationship with her.
Marc A was risking it all for the royal mummy coochie.. should of been marching to war instead of up her Nile. RIP.
The real question is how come Lepidus the Magnificent and All Powerful, not become Emperor? Rome never would have fell if he was in charge.
The narrator of yours is almost painful to listen to, he clearly just rushes through the script without a scent of soul 😢
Could octavian won. Anthony was an idiot
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