What is Inmotion thinking with this KIT?! | A MASSIVE / HEAVY 3A Charger?! Inmotion V14
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- čas přidán 16. 12. 2023
- It's a great build and I think you'll be happy if you bought this wheel, but I feel Inmotion needs to improve on the total package to be competitive.
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4:28 That the wheel toppled over in deep sand was due to the lack of traction, not the lack of power, at least that is what the shown footage clearly suggests. The wheel continues to grab a hole in the sand even when the forward tilt is >45º. That's more like a rider error than the fault of the wheel, unless you expect to have electronic traction control (which cannot provide unlimited traction too). It's a nice experiment, but you can't possibly conclude from this footage that the wheel is "easy to cutout", or more appropriately worded, easy to overlean due to the lack of power.
It's a great build and I think you'll be happy if you bought this wheel, but I feel Inmotion needs to improve on the total package to be competitive.
The Lynx is *more* expensive, and they didn’t spend anything to get it IP-rated. That’s just poor.
Are you sure it comes with no pads? Everywhere I've seen they advertise the orange pads.
it definitely comes with pads, some of the pre-production units have shipped without them, check Jimmy Changs review. Zen is just a hater, this is a terrible review
mine came with pads
They do come with pads, there is also an adapter that allows begode chargers.
They definitely come with pads. They are shipped separately.
Most mountain bikers either send their shocks off to get the internals worked on or just say screw it and buy a new shock. Being able to quickly access and replace the shocks on these is clutch AF. Hopefully leaper kim gets on that.
Air and spring shocks are wildly different. Pros and cons. Anyone who says this spring shock is "better" than this air shock or vice versa probably is leaving out or maybe just doesn't understand the difference.
I definitely appreciate an honest opinion.
Good work 👍
Thx for your honest review, appreciate it 🤘👊
You're most welcoms MrMix
Honest is honest! We appreciate you, man😊
I was actually looking to buy this exact one, but I’m glad I found this video. It definitely does not sound like you’re hating on the wheel. You sound like you really like it. It’s just you seem like you’re trying to help us not get into a wheel that we’re gonna end up hating form the start, so I appreciate your help for that. These are definitely not cheap and I know for a fact, I don’t wanna spend over $2000 on one of these and then find out that I really don’t like it and then I have to go out and spend even more money on a different one so these videos are helpful
Why he say cutout if he mean overlean??? 🤪 Cut out = Electric failure = crash VS Overlean = rider over/torque/lean euc = Beach accident OMG!!!!
Nah, bs
right, unfortunately, most people say cutout for overlean and it confuses many people to think that in this case the wheel just shuts down for some bad or no reason, which is not what happens.
Always good to get a range of opinions from many viewpoints before coming to conclusions.
Great review. Loved it. Stay honest
Thanks for watching!
First of all, thank you for giving us your honest option about v14, from what I read in forums, the points you have commented are the ones that people complain about the most. They also mention that plastics suffer too much if you abuse them. Would you be able to try a bg extreme??? It would be interesting to know your opinion. Thank you!!!
I've tried the Extreme, for me I much prefer the fork/hydraulic type of suspension like the minibull or patton have as I feel it eats the turns better.
@@ZenLeebut how do you like it without comparing it?
thank you for giv to us that ifo, you are amazing and your camera man too
The best camera man!
I enjoy hearing the bad w/the good. Overall your content is exceptional quality for euc influencers and I appreciate you man. If you come back to AZ lets ride.
Try the black 50s version if it is going to cut out please..
Buen video
❤
Riddle me this:
I remember as a boy, leaving my RC cars plugged into the wall, to charge over night, so that I can play with them.
Now I can gas my Sherm S up fully, in 3.5 to 4 hours, with 8 amp charging.
Literally insaneee.
The good old NiCad+fast charger days
With this review you’ve earned the ringbell sub from me. Honest, valid points. Especially as V14 is very pricey
Did you dial things in the app? some people brought this up as important to take full advantage of the torq in the wheel. Specially between brake and acceleration assist
I know, right? he's a hater from the second he stepped on it. and he hasn't set it up properly clearly
@@venjsystems I don't know, I still like he gave an honest opinion about the wheel, instead of making a commercial. He makes some good points on the video, such as the autonomy, which has never been inmotions strong suit. But it would be good, since he has early access to new wheels, to at least read the manual and try out all the options in the app. I think this is important for safety reasons as well: it might be dangerous if you use a wheel for something it is not intended for
More like it wasn't set up properly from the factory if sport and comfort mode are the same...
I love InMotion but the response settings for some reason are always shit. Hardness/softness reversed on the menu, certain settings don't do anything, confusing setting names. I think it's InMotions fault its confusing as hell to dial in their wheels, at least compared to the rest of their UX. That said, 75/75 accel/braking on the V14 feels superb to me. 100s feel like the wheel is falling over all the time.
@@s0d4c4nI agree they don't explain them very well, even on the manual. In case you haven't watched it already, here is a video that explains what the different riding modes on inmotion wheels do, he also has other videos explaining riding modes on other wheels
czcams.com/video/4ee-tVZTx3c/video.htmlsi=y0lxx5tIh6pGsKwX
what makes the IM charger incompatible with other chargers? is it just a different pinout, or is there some "smart" function that prevents compatability?
different pinout
Thank you very much; I truly appreciate your review. Is there any possibility of the Begode Extreme range test? I’ve come across conflicting information so far.
We did an Extreme range test, and got about 70km, part of it was up a steep hill
@@ZenLeewow that almost doubled the range if the tests are in similar conditions and speed.
@@ZenLee Nice 😉, it means the range with speed about 19-22 mph (up to 35 km/h) should be similar or better then KS16X. Because with that the cruising speed what is safe and reasonable in Scotland, (EUC is not regulated here) my KS16X’s range is around 50 miles (80 km)
I have it on my v12. If you are on comfort mode the top speed decreases when you reduce the pedal sensitivity to less than 57% .
Zen, as always, great videos. What after market items/parts and what hacks would you do to resolve the negatives? How do we make the V14 wonderful? 😊
Thanks. Inmotion has done a great job of updating the suspension. Range can't be fixed. Buy a fast charger.
It is really not a problem to solder new connector to cheap 8A Master fast charger :) And you can charge 16A (I have seen even 18A) maximum :)
Besides loving the honest feedback on the V14, I also appreciate the call out on Lynx suspension maintenance, which gave me pause; can you swap it out for something with easier maintenance?
It is very difficult to swap out the shock unless it is OEM parts.
Jon Purcell has a video in servicing the fast ace suspension
If the pedals are softer, it accelerates faster. So to compensate for this faster ramp up in power draw the wheel beeps earlier. I think this overly cautious design is because of the V13 cutouts, where people accelerated hard near top speed and cutout without beeps at least 2 seconds before cutout. This is just IM responding to feedback from (the boldest/dumbest depending on your viewpoint) riders.
It is unfortunate that this wheel has so many issues. Hope that they resolve some of them in following batches.
Luckily nothing catastrophic
"issues" LOL ok man
It doesn’t really though, does it.. it seems a good wheel..if it’s right for your particular use case..it doesn’t seem made for the same use case as the Lynx for example.
This is the Inmotion V14 Adventure Electric Unicycle 50S, Upgraded Suspension version?
V12 same thing. They call it dynamic speed limit. There’s certain percents that raise the limit. V12 also has basic and fancy mode AND commute and off road mode. Sounds like it only has the commute and sport
You said at the beginning that you’d had no cutouts with the wheel….until you tried to dig a hole with it on a beach…. Actually, I don’t really see that as an issue.. no one is going to do that in the real world. And another point on the beach scene..a wheel with a bigger diameter wheel..20” for example..isn’t going to dig holes in the sand as easily as a smaller 16” wheel.. Regarding the pedal softness effecting the available speed….Your wheel was a pre production wheel wasn’t it? Do the newer production wheels do the same? It would be good to hear some feedback on that. 👍
Does the lynx come with pads?
I get mine in about two weeks and yes, mine comes with pads. I'm getting it from E wheels
The V14 also comes with pads if you get it from ewheels. It's not a V14 or lynx thing, it's an ewheels thing.
I'd like to guess that coding is a tricky wheezil. Soft mode could be more complex than hard so takes more power.
What??
The cutout is likely from them erring on the side of caution so there's even less risk of it catastrophically failing.
That sentiment is echoed by their tweaked soft mode keeping the speed down so noobs falling forward don't get themselves into trouble - experienced riders they expect to be stronger/skilled and with Inmotion's tendency to bury a lot of detailed configuration down in the menus (remember when they were the only ones that gave you sliders for acceleration *and* deceleration - V12) it's likely advanced users will be able to dial in the different modes just like they want them - options can be added, if new ones are needed.
Love when you decide to publish content, but even more I've been following forever and I also know that if I want to find every single wart in a product - especially Inmotion - this is the channel where I'll find them and this did not disappoint. YT randomly deletes my subs these days (when they dropped the cap to 999 it wreaked havoc on my feeds) so I have to find the content I want manually lol this was actually a pretty fun video.
This is my real name so when people say "how you know what you're talking about", I'm not promoting but a chunk of my career is on LI so they can just go look at my proven skillsets. Honestly, I think they released this so they could have a product in the space - I don't think they want to go bigger, higher voltage, etc but are waiting for the next jump in EUC tech so they can build *that* instead of another variation on the same design themes - they can't even change their brand identity now until there's a technology shift because the EUC market isn't anywhere close to the "fat tire e bike" volumes, so they have to keep to their design guidelines that people are used to so the products don't outright alienate their little slice. Once tech configurations shift or leap up (different drives, transmissions, gearing, power improvements in storage and efficiency, etc) they can decide whether to try and differentiate from everyone *and* themselves, or just keep going on the same path until they're almost the same footprint as other PEV, losing part of their uniqueness/distinction.
IMO the industry hasn't even landed on a really good suspension design - everything has a slider and that means you're basically just riding forks, which doesn't really manage forward impacts on the wheel like a swingarm type suspension can. When you encounter an obstacle, the physics only allow you to go UP so you're being thrown forward while you traverse it and need to reduce speed massively or damage something. There was a fork built for downhill MTB that the company went out of business, but to see what I'm trying to describe web search for "trust message fork"; the linkage allows the offset of the turn axis to be even more favorable while allowing obstacles to kick the wheel backwards as well as up so the main mass continues on at a higher rate than if it had to simply pogo up off of it. The Lauf Carbonara is another fork that uses compliant mechanisms instead of a mechanical linkage, resulting again, in an impact motion that kicks up and back but also is nearly impossible to break with zero maintenance. If EUC suspension could do that, there would be a lot less faceplants from curbs. Like, a *lot* - maybe even knock off most of the curb dumps completely.
Not sure the beach test is really a cut out. Isnt the wheel just slipping in the sand , tilting forward and then getting angle based shut off?
It is slipping and being overpowered, we couldn't get the Lynx to cutout.
@@ZenLeeThe Lynx has a 20” wheel that is much less likely to to dig a hole in the sand to be fair.. and is also less likely to to spin the wheel as the torque on the smaller diameter wheel will be more due to gear effect.
Master Zen, you speak truth in the face of mediocrity.
The Lynx and the V14 cost the same? You compare those 2 wheels, but I'm not quite sure that they are in the same league. The performance per dollar could be a good idea for comparison those wheels.
Yes, here in Europe they are very close in price.
Yeah, I didn't feel a difference in comfort vs sport. Kind of disappointing, but maybe a firmware fix. Funny though, you seem to want a comfier mode, but i thought it was missing the sportier mode.
I think if you keep mentioning it's more expensive than its competitors and yet keep comparing it to the Lynx, you should be more clear.
The range and charger is indeed disappointing, but it's plenty for commuting. You ride to work and back and have plenty left over to ride to dinner and then charge overnight. I don't know how many people like me are buying this wheel for commuting though. But even not being a content creator I enjoy having a super powerful and nimble wheel I ride in short bursts back and forth every day.
Fwiw, the V13 has the same limitation on pedal stiffness and top speed / alarms... just throwing that out there.
It comes with pads.
I need inmotion to build another v12 with sus haha good to see someone being honest ..i see most reviewers r scare to talk bad about the v14 lol
the v14 IS THAT. i had a Zoom call with Bob Yan before he left the company and this is EXACTLY what they were aiming for. a 16 inch wheel like the v12 with suspension. this review is hot garbage. go look what everyone else is saying. Zen is a hater
Yeah ik the v14 is suppose to be the perfect v12 thats what i been saying all this time but i need it to be light weight too lol not at 94lbs lol
The rim on the Lynx bends? That's a deal breaker.
With all respect, I don't think it's fair to mention the bent rim on the Lynx. If you watch how he crashed it and how the EUC flipped and landed sideways on the rim I don't think anything that weighs 88 pounds could've survived an impact like that.
Think my Lynx also has a slight bend in rim, from the jump that I showed in this video. Super minor.
That jump ain't shit seems very fair to me to mention it for a 3k-4k wheel
@@ZenLee oh......
…as opposed to changing out the suspension from the outset in the case of the Begode wheels. Nobody suggests anyone do jumps or drops on any wheel of any make, unless and until the rider takes full responsibility for their own actions. If you’re able to own this self-responsibility, then all good: if you break it, you own it and make it good again. There are limits and recommended precautions to take, eg tyre pressure, etc, but nobody spending their own good money on their considered purchase should either get themselves into the situation where they are breaking their wheel, they should’ve bought themselves a scrambler or dune buggy. If you try hard enough you can break anything. Look at the track record of past Leaperkim wheels, then look backward at Begode and ExtremeBull wheels - it isn’t hard for most reasonable and responsible riders to see which marque is worth dropping your cash on.
According to some experienced reviewers, the Lynx is one of the easiest and fastest wheels to change a tyre on. Ask Ronin. Ask Kevin. You may be getting confused with eg the KS S22, which is a nightmare in terms of teardown. It’s far easier to swap out a strut on a Leaperkim suspension wheel (if that is even a thing that is needed by many) than fiddling and squeezing the Begode/EB shocks. Then you have the fragility of plastic 4:30 components in the Begode and EB, QC issues etc. it’s no wonder the Leaperkim guys left Gotway/Begode/EB to go it alone, and boy, are we ever grateful they did.
my dealer let me swap my v14 preorder to lynx....u saved me dude!
Glad to hear you have a good dealer 🤙
Hit me up for a fast charger. I sell one that works for this and the Lynx as well as the 168V wheels that are on the horizon :)
you sure it works with the V14? the pins are wierd on it.
@@ZenLee yep. I have the appropriate adaptor.
@@roghaj I'd go for one, but he customs fees are insane here in Spain.
That would be actually so cool if you if you would buy me one
You could be totally honest without (over-)emphasizing the negatives as much as you do. Just saying, no need to make enemies where there aren't any. It looks like with software fixes and another charger the wheel would be just fine or even better than just fine, apart from the rather excessive consumption (2400 Wh / 40 km = 60Wh/km, usual consumption is more like 20Wh/km, but of course aggressive riding makes a big difference).
now you're my favorite reviewer!
Yes please move on to the wheels that you like…
seems a POS euc overall lol
40km range you say? It is horrible😢
yes, maybe you can get 50km if you go slow, it tooled for power not range
It depends entirely on your use case..if you want a long distance cruiser..you don’t buy a wheel like this!
Less than 40KM range for guys who weigh as little as y’all, easy cut-outs and 8-hour slow-charging?! 😱
Easy cut outs if you are going to the beach on a deliberate cut out test beach day
He actually said that he didn’t have any cutouts on it..or did you miss that part?
I feel like you have it in for IM man. You've been overly negative from the minute you stepped on it. The v14 has the most torque of a 16 inch wheel AFAIK. The plastic side fairing are that way so you can EASILY replace in event of a crash (can u say that for most other wheels/brands?) so there's method to the madness there. Of course no wheel is perfect but far out man, try and be a bit more objective. Also you have MEGA options for brake assist/accel assist etc in the app, did you even try to tweak it???
I get the feeling you didnt watch the video as I never said anything negative about the plastic and praised the build quality...my major issues are the autonomy and massive/heavy 3am charger.
I think you're mistaken. I don't know if you've tried many other wheels, but for me, the crucial aspect is not how easily plastic parts can be replaced; it's about overall functionality and performance. Before claiming that someone has a bias against something, you should try and see if our opinions align. Yes, it has a lot of torque, but what good is it if the battery only lasts for 40 km? It seems absurd to have such a powerful motor with a 2400 battery. The suspension is extremely stiff and doesn't function as it should, and the app is more of the same. I don't understand why they include different driving modes when the differences are imperceptible. In conclusion, my friend, I recommend that before making comments like that, you should try what is being discussed. This way, your argument will have a solid foundation, not just be your opinion.
@@ZenLee you mentioned plastic in previous video
@@MonoPsyco sure you make some valid points, i havent ridden a v14 but ive ridden a few wheels. every other person to review it so far hasnt been anywhere near as negative. i am also referring to his other video when he first stepped on it. as for batteries, theyre replaceable. if 40km pushing it HARD isnt enough then buy a second set. thats the point. more battery - more weight and you dont want that on a jumping wheel.
@@venjsystems I don't have a problem with the build quality so far, the plastic keeps the weight down
Such a hater. Why do you always hate on inmotion wheels? You've been hating on them since the v12.
There's no hate here, only honesty.
wah okay... i cancel my pre-order..
don't. go watch all the other level-headed reviews. this review is hot garbage
It’s very good to hear that this unit sucks
w.h per KM
good thing about inmotion wheels is the store the w.h/per KM from day 1 average. so keen to learn about that.
40km?! That's so bad, nothing wrong with the wheel?
According to the app everything is good. We did get around 55km the other day, so not too bad.
55km sounds about right if you ride it hard. I don't know where 40km is coming from
@@s0d4c4n we don't have any info on that, if it's going hard or slow though but it does seem weird