Why Modern Nintendo Sucks
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- čas přidán 6. 03. 2023
- Why does modern Nintendo suck, well its not what you think. It's not stuff like their mediocre online service, cheap hardware, treatment of legacy games and then selling those legacy games back to consumers at full price or just the fact that their games never go on sale. While all of these things are super frustrating, it's not the reason modern Nintendo sucks. The reason is Nintendo has lost its creativity.
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The Wii and DS era is one of my favorite Nintendo eras.
Same! I really enjoyed all the ideas of that time.
Especially the backwards compatibility of gamecube games on the Wii is what made it such a great era, I think they mainly did that because the GameCube sold poorly and it needed better promotion. And the 3ds did the same for ds games except the ds already sold very well
Wii U & 3DS is my favorite
3ds was the beginning of the end 💀
@@Neucher
The 3DS & Wii U were the golden age!
This video took guts to make with how much people praise the switch's library. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's a bit overrated.
Oh for sure you can't even discuss Zelda in a negative light, like Nintendo is really gonna lose money on it...
They keep pushing out the same games from twenty years ago at 60 dollars. People aredumb af to keep buying.
As someone who LOVES Nintendo.....I find myself as one of the few that is critical of Switch. While I love Odyssey....it does seem like Nintendo is VERY lazy this Gen. The joycon drift is an easy example....I know someone on their 5TH pair. Unacceptable.
How is it overrated?
@@jimmyheights5143 which game
I do think that the death of Satoru Iwata has a lot to do with it.
Agreed
@@pressaTD Cheers. Here's to hoping they find their footing again.
@@WarningStrangerDanger blaming Iwata's death for Nintendo's weird actions won't make a difference and it's absolutely ungrateful
And then in 2019 Reggie stepped down, and then it just went from bad to worse.
@@brendanreilly4675
Except for Kirby and the Forgotten Land and Pikmin 4 and maybe TOTK.
A big thing you missed with Mario golf is the characters reactions to how hole went. If Mario got an Eagle in Toadstool tour, he'll run around, he'll do a flip, the man gets hyped. In Super Rush he's like "alright, cool." It's a a little detail that's missing.
In my opinion the 3ds was Nintendo’s prime, everything about it showed creativity, and they added tons of things just for the players that they didn’t have to. Like street pass face raiders and more
play bravely default and bravely second, bravely second is vastly superior, but should play both games
I agree the 7th and beginning of gen 8 gaming for nintendo was a masterpiece
I'm talking about the Wii 3ds and Wii U especially with the virtual console
yea 3ds is good, but Wii is in my opinion the goat ( motion control) but the Switch has both the Wii and 3ds combined into one
Across the internet what people believe the best Nintendo consoles to be are the 3ds and the Wii, the majority of people in CZcams were 7-14 when those consoles released, is it that crazy how those choices for the best consoles is nostalgia?
@@somethingelse4282 Yes and no as I myself got all 3 systems no more then 2 years ago... (The Wii June 2020) The 3DS in October 2021) (The Wii U in June 2022)the Wii has an amazing library I've played Mario Galaxy 1&2 Mario Kart Wii and New Super Mario Bros Wii and they are all amazing I would say Galaxy 1&2 compete against Odyssey but I can't prefer either as neither are better then the other in terms of memorability and enjoyment although little things are better in both games
New Super Mario Bros Wii is 100% better then U Deluxe because 1 it doesn't require a easier character for 4 people and then jump button isn't the spin button
Mario Kart Wii is so much more chaotic then 8 Deluxe and I enjoy it just for that alone
and the Wii had the best virtual console in Nintendo history since it had the widest amount of systems and best quality out of the 3 systems with Virtual Console which is the main reason for me. The problems with the 3DS' Virtual Console is
1 No multiplayer except for a minimal exceptions
2 it's a 3DS not the most comfortable way to play something you can play on a switch or Wii U (soon not anymore for Wii U and the 3DS itself)
3 Lowest amount of selection and quality out of the virtual console systems although it does have the Gameboy and Gameboy Color
4 You could just call this petty but it's unfair that there is no GBA on 3DS unless you have the ambassador's program then you get like 5 or 6 GBA games and the stupidest part is that the reason Nintendo had no full GBA Virtual Console on 3DS is because they claimed that GBA does not work properly on 3DS while the Ambassador program disproved that. Also the 3DS had a remake of Mario & Luigi Superstars which is from the GBA which had improved graphics (I still prefer the original for feeling more cartoony though)
The problems with Wii U Virtual Console is
1 The NES & 64 games look awful and dark while the Wii had better looking NES & 64 games
2 The Wii U has GBA & DS & Wii but no Gamecube :|
3 The GBA & DS had no Multiplayer which would be understandable if it weren't for the Wii U having two screens which would've allowed at least 2 player gaming if they adjusted all the games with multiplayer however Nintendo didn't which is fine but awkward as you can buy Mario Party DS & Mario Kart DS which is intended with friends... Especially Mario Party DS
4 (This is a general problem with Wii U in general) The Gamecube Controller doesn't work in fact on a somewhat unrelated topic the Gamecube controller only works on Super Smash Bros 4 or SSB4 and not even the remakes for Twilight Princess or even Windwaker which I find ridiculous
5 Less options then the Wii which is understandable but still unsatisfying
a good thing that's better about the Wii U is that you can change button mapping though
and that's just the virtual console
Here's some prices
Super Mario 3D World is 20$ on Wii U eShop (it's the original version so it's got slower characters and no Bowser's Fury however it's 40$ less)
Almost all Wii games on the Wii U eShop is 20$
There is Nintendo Selects on the remaining two eShops (until April) with every single game for 20$
Backwards compatibility
The Wii U has full backwards compatibility with the Wii and the Wii Mote works for basically all Wii U multiplayer Wii U games
sometimes even requiring it
(technically unrelated but homebrewing the Wii U can allow Gamecube games too)
Most Wii's have backwards compatibility with Gamecube (you can tell if a Wii has it if the Wii has Gamecube controller ports built in)
the 3DS has backwards compatibility with the DS which means
you can technically play every single pokemon game except Fire Red, Leaf Green the original Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald and all pokemon games after Gen 7 and once March 27th comes you cannot play the original Gen's 1&2 through Virtual Console so that means you can always play
the remakes of Gen's 2&3
the original Gen's 4,5,6, & 7
and before it one day shuts down you can get pokemon from certain gens via Pokemon Bank which will become free once the eShop's close
the 3DS has Download play which means certain games even from the DS (since the DS has Download play too) can be played with up to 4 people with as many 3DS' per person which means 2 people 2 3DS' 4 people 4 3DS' with only 1 cartridge it just might have restrictions like in Mario Kart's DS & 7 which make you only use Shy Guy and only one cart. But the fact that the 3DS and DS can do multiplayer with specific games with only 1 cartridge is amazing
I don't 100% know if this works but it's likely that the 3DS can play DS Download play games with another DS due to the fact that going into DS Download play on a 3DS makes the 3DS' screens look like a DS doing Download play
The DS, Wii, 3DS, & Wii U had free online as the DS and Wii no longer have online from Nintendo but homebrewing allows it. The 3DS & Wii U still have free online but no one knows how long it will be until it is shut down
The Switch has
No Download play
yearly subscriptions for an awful online service for paid games that is 20$ a year for 1 person and 35$ for up to 8 people
There is no virtual console the closest thing we have is the NES, SNES, GB & GBC catalogue of games on the Online subscription and with 30$ extra per year for 1 person and 60$ extra for 8 people which means you gotta pay 50$ per year for only 1 person to just get a 64, GBA & Sega Genesis game catalogue with added DLC for specific games you may not own and here is the worst part
what's gonna happen once Nintendo shuts down the online for the Switch. It'll happen one day as the Switch is already 6 years old as it was released March 6th 2017.
We'll lose all these games unless we buy the new online subscription from Nintendo for the latest system they have which could be even more expensive or worse in quality. Constantly having to pay at least 20$ for online and some games is awful for preservation as you will never really own the games unless you keep constantly paying Nintendo every year and it's even worse for expansion pass people as it's 50$ a year for the extra stuff and the extra DLC won't even be there anymore in the next system and even worse you'll lose your DLC for games you do own. I'd rather pay 25$ for Booster Course pass then as an add on every year for 50$ with some added things I may or may not enjoy or even own for. and then the worst offender is the catalogue of games
The NES & SNES in over 5 years haven't gotten more then 119 games in they're catalogues in total and some aren't iconic in the slightest
what is Nightshade and some of them can't even be read because they're in Japanese
meanwhile the Wii by itself had over 168 NES & SNES games in total and it had
The 64 is even worse
Although the Genesis is nice and the GB, GBC & GBA are brand new which is awful because it's been 6 years and we just got new retro games on the switch which the 3DS had in less then a few years. That's embarassing but the only reason they're doing this is money money money. Nintendo used to be like Spongebob compared to how they are now. Now Nintendo is Mr Krabs Lower Quality and/or More Expensive then before
So when people say Wii 3DS & Wii U was the best time to be a Nintendo fan (okay not the Wii U but for it's virtual console, homebrewing, and some games yes)
they may be somewhat blinded by Nostalgia but I'll tell you that I can't be as I haven't had them for even 3 years
They are amazing and fun and feel genuinely crafted unlike some new things Nintendo outputs today which feels slow worse or just more expensive and sure inflation but it's just less things are becoming better and just being fine with a few series abandoned like Star Fox and until recently Metroid
So yes at least the Wii & 3DS was the best time to be a Nintendo fan
I can't believe you ignored Xenoblade Chronicles, Metroid Dread, Fire Emblem and Astral chain
He is just a hater using very specific cases to provee a “point”. And one case is wrong becase Origami King is an incredible game
GameCube fans hate jrpgs cause they didn’t grow up with any good ones like the ones on the snes
Talking about how modern Nintendo games suck and doesn't even mention Xenoblade and Fire Emblem is already telling he's making is bad point. And that he's just limiting himself to certain legacy IPs he grew up on. Not even trying to branch out. Seriously Fire Emblem and Xenoblade are more popular than they've ever been yet there are still Nintendo fans that push them to the wayside and don't acknowledge them just because they're rpgs that aren't Mario or Pokemon related.
Speaking of Pokemon, no mention of Legends Arceus? I can understand Scarlet and Violet because of the glitchy and performance mess that is. But not Legends? That game shook up the Pokemon formula in a completely new way that fans loved.
No mention of Astral Chain is kind of understandable because it's been pretty much forgotten about more than Arms. But that doesn't mean it wasn't a creative and fun game. But no Metroid Dread mention? Seriously?
He did bring up Mother 3, Advanced Wars, and Golden Sun but yeah, I guess its the series that underperform sales wise are games he'll mention.
The only good Xenoblade is stuck on the Wii U.
I agree with everything you said in this video. The world seems to be bankrupt and at a loss for creativity and it’s not just Nintendo.
Yeah because it’s all going into a recession.
True 👍
Why you think we keep rehashing the same old shit instead of coming up with new stuff. Everyone cashing in while they can
The problem I have with the new games is the god damn boring font they use for the recent titles. Like the old games had cool and fun looking fonts but now it just feels corporate
I was actually going to talk about that, I feel the same way.
YUP! Nintendo started using this new font face back in Miitomo and their initial rebrand when they changed their logo back to red in the middle of the Wii U and 3DS era as they transitioned over to the Nintendo Switch. It is especially egregious in Mario Kart Tour as it is literally the only font that game uses on everything. lol
Your arguments fall flat with multiple reasons;
1. You mention creativity dying yet then when they do make creative games, such as arms or nintendo labo, genres we have never seen be explored this way, you write them off simply for not liking them. I personally dont like luigi's mansion, yet i can still see why its a creative game.
2. You mention that the existing franchises on gamecube got new creative ideas, such as mario getting a water cannon. Just to disprove this; Mario could possess enemies in oddysey, they gave link an open world to explore with freedom found in little to no games etc.
3. The origami king argument doesnt work, because all the bosses in that game line up with the theme of paper and real life creations. Its a different setting so you cant really compare it to ttyd. You can compare the foot fetish dragon with the suicidal bombomb in origami king, they both got their quirky characters.
4. You cherry pick stages with super rush. They got new donk city and lava levels as well, yet you purposfully ignore them to make a point that wouldnt work otherwise.
5. Your last argument with why is the best ... game 15 years old is completely subjective, in fact i can say the same. Why is the best mario 5 years old. Why is the best luigis mansion 4 years old. Why is the best pokemon 1 year old. Why is the best xenoblade 8 months old. Why is the best splatoon game 6 months old. Why is the best kirby game 1 year old. Why is the best 2d metroid 2 years old? The argument really doesnt hold up that well considering almost all of the games i listed are considered to be the best game in their franchises.
1. The games have to be creative and good, labo and arms are pretty mediocre games.
2. I specifically mentioned botw and odyssey because I think they are creative games.
3. Having bosses themed around paper in a game called “paper” mario is not creative its lazy.
4. You’re right I cherry picked stages in super rush, but it was to illustrate my point that most of the stages were boring. I didn’t play new donk city because I played the game at launch and that stage was added well after, so I cant comment on that.
5. That’s exactly my point though the newer games should be the best in the series, I just don’t think its true though for a lot of Nintendo’s IP
@@pressaTD I’ll admit, there’s a tiny bit of creative atrophy, but if you actually look, creativity is flourishing, you just have to keep an open mind, also, Paper Mario The origami King was great! The character humor and depth was top-notch, they actually killed off their killed characters, unlike in Paper Mario TTYD, how did TEC survive? How did Crump and Grodus survive? And finally, everyone knows about the slight decline, Argo already did a video on it, we don’t need anymore. Do you at least acknowledge that Kirby and the forgotten land was good?
he did but yeah, many seem to forget or don't acknowledge is when they were creative in the gamecube era, they were usually punished or met with skepticism and mockery for it and several games sold less than they wanted. Folks forget Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, the Star Fox games, Wario Land, Luigis Mansion were not met with open arms and are appreciated better now.
Wow
I'm so tired of the "you can't compare this game to that game because it's its own entity" bullshit. You can say The Orgami King is a good game if you want (I still think it's trash and I can't see kids enjoying those puzzles that are impossible to solve. Even for me as an adult.) But the point is you can't critique a sequel unless you compare it to something else because that's what criticism is all about. We are supposed to compare and contrast what makes one game better or worse than the other. If we can't, then how will developers of these games know what the fans like or don't like? If a fan perfers TTYD over Oragmi King. Players have a right to express how they feel about it and why.
If it's a new IP. It's a completely different story, but please stop using that argument. There is seriously no weight to it. It's pretty much like saying a player is not allowed to explain why a video game is bad...
Nintendo can still make good content here and there, but you can clearly tell that their charm from the good old days was just... lost... 🙁
Completely subjective, as I think this is the most charm and fun the 1st party games have been since the SNES days 🤷
@@davemarquez770 exactly
@@davemarquez770 Then you haven't played anything from between the SNES days and now. The charm has been gone for a while. Since the Wii U era at least.
I actually think the switch era is great for Nintendo. Many people who think so otherwise have forgotten how out of touch Nintendo was for the wii u and 3ds era. Tbh Besides Paper Mario and the mario sports games which have more to do with their respective developers being stubborn, Nintendo is doing great.
Remember when the Wii U main mainline 3d mario game is an over glorified hd 3d land game (don't hate. I actually think 3d world is good, but it isn't what most wanted) and there was no mainline zelda game till the end of its lifespan?
I used to think Nintendo lost their way until the switch came along.
@@TinyGuy97 I play mainly Mario and Zelda but it's clear that Nintendo was VERY gimmicky and out-of-touch with other companies. It's only now that they are getting in touch but barely while keeping their gimmicks with them.
The 3DS will always have a special place in my heart.
Honestly, Nintendo has sucked for a long time just for the fact they won't release their music on music services like iTunes or Spotify.
I'm very much hoping that Mario Wonder will fix that, since it seems to have a lot of creativity and passion brimming in it.
I get your criticism of modern Nintendo games, but I feel like you also fall into the pitfall of pretending old Nintendo was *always good*. The Mario franchise, for example, was very creativily bankrupt during the Wii U/3ds era, since all we got were New Soup games and 3d Land/World, which, albeit good games, are still bland in comparison to Sunshine and Galaxy. Mario Party was also terrible during this era and sports games weren't all that good either (Ultra Smash is definitely worse than Aces).
Ps: I find it funny that you said Mother and F-Zero had their best games released over 10 years ago....when they haven't even had any game released in the past 10 years, lol.
Another pitfall he fell into is not acknowledging that other Nintendo series that actually have been thriving on Switch. Xenoblade and Fire Emblem are the biggest examples of this. And then there are some Nintendo IPs like Astral Chain that have been completely overlooked yet bursting with creativity.
Disagree, Mario Party 10 is good.
@@catmario-_3170 it's finee but just soulless
Toadstool Tour is still an amazing game! I still have buyers remorse for Super Rush on switch. The only game mode I somewhat enjoyed was the One on, One putt challenge. So much wasted potential compared to its predecessor!
Totally agreed, buying super rush made me reconsider buying Nintendo games for a while.
First of all. Amazing Video. Nicely paced and greatly edited.
Second: I agree with all your points. I know this video focuses on Nintendo being more creative in the past. But I'd like to also mention that old games from other companies were also really creative in their own way. Nintendo offered more of that creative spark and all their games stood out more.
Nintendo while still a great developer has lost that spark, like said in the video. This is my favorite video talking about the current issue with the industry.
Edit: This channel is really small and niche. I can't wait for you to upload your 100,000 Subcriber Special in the future. I can feel this channel going places. Happy to be an earlier supporter.
You’re a legend
I think you have a few good points, but I think growing up is also a big part of it. That "magic" their games had starts to fade as you get older. Things don't feel as fresh because it's familiar. But I do agree that Nintendo on the whole is not as experimental as it used to be. However they still have some gems this era.
Yes 100%, a lot of the magic comes from being a kid and experiencing all this stuff for the first time. I’m sure the kids growing up with the switch will feel the same way I do about the gamecube in 20 years lol
I have played nintendo switch I em 18 years old now I em 21 years old lol
The Elephant in the room:
Nintendo games suck !!
SNES, N64 games were MUCH better
@@svenmandelkorn3238 I disagree
@@pressaTD czcams.com/video/i13hrynnGNY/video.html
Weird argument. I hate how people dismiss Arms. It's a truly great fighting game, and the stretchy arms are such a unique mechanic.
Splatoon is still a young franchise, and its sequels brought new modes like Salmon Run and Clam Blitz to the table.
Breath of the Wild literally reinvented the Zelda formula, and the capture mechanic in Super Mario Odyssey is so unique.
Plus, we got the labor of love that is Super Smash Bros. Ultimate with every character from the franchise's history returning.
BotW is literally just Skyrim except you can only play as thr galaxy’s most boring elf.
@@zephyr8072 Very stupid comment.
Defenily agree, saying Nintendo is out of creativity is really odd since odyssey is probaly one of the best mario games ever made and Botw is probaly one of the best zelda's of all time? They made splatoon last generation a super succesfull series.
@@zephyr8072what an afwul take
@@stinkyrat3364 Which you can’t argue against it seems.
points have been made but, at the same time... I don't know sis... sometimes I think gamers are just a bunch of people obsessed with the past and nostalgia
Oh 100%, I’m definitely going to be more biased towards the games I grew up with but I still think there is something to it.
@@pressaTD I hate nostalgia it’s the main reason you can’t take gamers seriously at all.
If you ask the best eras of Nintendo were the GameCube & GBA era (2001 to 2006) and the Wii U & 3DS era (2011 to 2017). They were so much more creative and better and honestly I think Iwata himself was the reason combined with the fact they we’re losing with the GameCube and Wii U. Following the death of Iwata in 2015 Nintendo became a lot less creative. It’s to the point where 75% of the games released from 2017 to 2021 were Wii U ports with only a few good original games here and there. 2022 and 2023 are definitely an improvement but even then some games like Pokémon and Switch Sports feel unpolished. Nintendo EPD themselves have been relying on evergreen Wii U ports and external studios to make games like Kirby, Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Pokémon, and Professor Layton. Series that have been getting the love they deserve on the Switch unlike series made internally by Nintendo themselves. I mean the Mario series is in a huge drought right now even with the Mario Movie about to release. I mean just look at the commercials they advertise kids and families playing games like Mario Odyssey, 3D World, Mario Kart 8, NSMBU, Captain Toad, DKC Tropical Freeze, and Super Mario Party. 5 out of those 7 games are Wii U ports that were originally released years ago. I also think the commercials have slowly been getting worse which is a bad sign since the whole reason the Wii U sold badly is because of bad commercials turning people off. For years the only original Switch game I truly considered a masterpiece was Mario Odyssey, a game that came out nearly 6 years ago. 2022 was an improvement with Splatoon 3, Switch Sports, and Kirby but still it wasn’t as much as they used to. Finally 2023 has games I will really love like TOTK and Pikmin 4 but both of those games were in development hell and were supposed to come out earlier. Even the Switch itself is less comfortable, has worse UI, worse online, worse eShop, less charm, and a lot of other issues. The Switch is still good and has a good library but as someone who grew up in the Wii U & 3DS era I look at that time with far more fondness. I think if people looked past sales they would acknowledge the Wii U & GameCube we’re just better to be honest.
I literally lived through both the Wii U and Gamecube eras and they are both my 2 least favorite Nintendo systems not counting Virtual Boy, with Gamecube being at the bottom, and the Switch recently became my new favorite system of all time. It's almost like it's a very subjective thing what you like or don't like?? And quite frankly, I find it hard to believe people actually liked the Wii U and Gamecube the best, it's the only 2 times where I debated if I liked Nintendo anymore or maybe I outgrew them. Especially the Gamecube days, I literally bought a PS2 to have games to play since the massive 1st party droughts didn't do it for me, and it didn't help half the games weren't very good or were extremely dissapointing. Switch made me realize I still love them, and that Nintendo has to put out excellent after excellent games with very few droughts. Didn't get that on Wii U and especially the Gamecube. 🤷
@@davemarquez770
In my opinion both the Wii & Switch have good 1st party libraries but the GameCube & Wii U had even better 1st party lineups. All 4 consoles had multiple droughts at some point in their life but people focus on the droughts on the GameCube and Wii U more just because they sold badly. The Wii had very little games coming out after 2010 and the Switch had droughts in 2018 and 2020 as well as smaller ones in early 2019 and early 2021.
@Jon guy
2016 was the only bad year. But even then it was still better than 2018 and 2020.
@Jon guy
Agreed
@@ianeons9278 Because the Wii U didn't have a worldwide pandemic or handheld devs getting used to home console level tech.
Real fact: Both Doug Bowser and Shuntaro Furukawa Never made the decision to make the paid online membership, It was planned long before they even became presidents. Which means Reggie himself was affiliated with that decision and while Iwata was hospitalized and told Sakurai to make Super Smash Bros Ultimate before he died. I honestly don't mind paying 20 bucks every December considering the fact that I have a job. As a Wii U owner Since I got the Wii U when it was released, it was a good console but it was never perfect. I'm sorry but it's true, Not everyone was able to find one back then and during that era not everything was beautiful and pretty when both Iwata and Reggie Were still around. DMCA strikes of their own, the Wii U failure, horrible marketing, terrible advertisements, lack of third party games for the Wii U, Mario tennis ultra smash and Star Fox zero. I still play on my Wii U still to this day but to be honest that era had some good memories but it's still a terrible era.
Don't just pretend everything was beautiful and pretty when both Iwata and Reggie were still around. They had DMCA strikes of their own, horrible Wii U marketing, terrible advertisements, lack of third party games for the Wii U, Wii U games based on 3DS games, Mario tennis ultra smash, metroid prime federation force, Not everyone was able to find a Wii U back then and Star Fox zero. As a Wii U owner of my own that era was never perfect even though it had good memories, I'm really sorry but it's true.
(Apology if this comment was too long, I'm just explaining the truth and some facts to you If you are interested)
Why are you here? This video has nothing to do with iwata or the wii u he doesn't really even mention either once nor is it the focus
You seem to consistently pop up on every video that critiques Nintendo
Like obsessively so.
Someone mentioned you might be on the spectrum in another video comment which no offense meant to that. I am too but that would explain the obsession.
@@Goldfire345 It's not just the video, It's the comment section that jumps straight to conclusions rather than thinking for a moment or accurately
@@Goldfire345 The only parts I like about Nintendo are it's developers and employees and that's about it, the DMCA team/bot in Japan not so much
@@M64bros most of thet information isn't easily available and you have to really dig in order to find it for example interviews.
so alot of those assumptions come from how Nintendo presented themselves in that era and how iwata presented himself to the public in that era
That being the ceo who was in his heart a gamer.
The rest of the misinformation is just a byproduct of how secretive the video game industry is with things that go on in their companies
Tough consider that many of the games you used as an example had very few limitation in creativity since it was their major step up in 3d games, tough it is true that many of the teams that develop some of the new games do feel very poor of creativity, may that be because of time or limitations from above that has yet to be seen
There's also to consider the age of the player and the mindset too perhaps but that's another discussion
Respectfully disagreeing with your takes here, I think Nintendo's creativity in their games has shone brightly this generation in A LOT of their IP, Super Smash Bros, The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Fire Emblem Three Houses & Engage, Xenoblade 2, Torna & 3, Splatoon 2 & 3, Pokémon Legends Arceus & SV, and their collaborations like with Zelda with games like Cadence of Hyrule and Age of Calamity being better than the first Hyrule Warriors on Wii U & 3DS. Expanding on the collaborations point Nintendo has published A LOT of great games like Triangle Strategy, Astral Chain, Live A Live, Bayonetta 3 and more.
I'd also say you're kind of being disingenuous with a lot of the series' you mentioned best games being 10+ years old. Now that will be mostly because our tastes are (clearly) different but I think it's kinda crazy to say that when a lot of the games you talk about haven't had a Switch release (yet) like Golden Sun, Mario & Luigi, Mother, Metroid Prime , Punch Out, Wave Race, Advance Wars & Star Fox - with only one of those having a brand new release in sight.
All in all, maybe your issue here is not with Nintendo's lack of creativity - but maybe its that a lot of those games they were releasing when you were growing up just seem to be an afterthought for newer and/or more successful IP
Xenoblade 2 is literally just Xenoblade 1 only with a charisma black hole of a protagonist and his insipid harem.
Never, ever use it as an example among those games it has no right to be alongside again.
@@zephyr8072 Nah, Xenoblade 2 is a fantastic game. The gameplay is so much fun and more mechanically interesting and the story and characters are super subversive halfway through the game and it creates such a unique narrative.
Nintendo switch is garbage lmaooooooooooooo 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Playstation portal is better than Nintendo switch 😂😂😂😂😂
Nintendo of Japan's current president is known to play things safe, so, that might be the reason.
Asides from the criminal pronunciation of "Mario", you made a spot-on great video. Nintendo still has their gems, but the creativity is running dry every time they have to milk the hell out of the NES/SNES library for the 2 millionth time.
New video title: why the switch isn't the gamecube
I think Snipperclips already has a sequel, and Ring Fit sold pretty well so could continue as a series.
GameCube had great experimental titles, but it didn't sell well.
I don't think you can say Nintendo lack creativity except for Mario, Zelda, and Kirby;
that's not an exception to a rule, that's a gaping hole in the argument.
I'd also add Pokemon, Legends is probably the most creative they've been with the main series (which admittedly isn't saying much, but we're comparing to a past standard).
Snipper clips doesn’t have a sequel. Gamecube didn’t sell well because it had no 3rd party support because the disc format nintendo decided to use, so that’s irrelevant. And Nintendo has more then 20 different IP, to say that 3 of them are creative is the exception to the rule, it’s definitely not the standard.
@@pressaTD
Noted on Snipperclips, I think it may have been DLC.
While lack of 3rd party support was certainly a big factor, having a Luigi's Mansion instead of a Mario game at launch, and with the Mario, and Zelda games being experimental was clearly also a factor, and is refelcted in their sales.
Mario, Zelda, and Kirby are Nintendo's biggest franchises, so do in fact set quite a standard.
Moreover, to add to that number there's also the new potential series that you mention, Snipperclips, ARMS, and Ring Fit. It would be remiss to forget that other games such as Pikmin and Animal Crossing had slow starts.
Origami King was a bad exmaple to cite, for whatever you want to say about the quality of the game, the bosses were unique.
And this leads to a wider issue with this critique.
You state many series had their best entries decades ago, but that is an issue of quality not creativity. Conflating these 2 metrics makes for a confused argument. Indeed, inherent in the risk of being creative, instead doing something tried and tested, is the result potentially being lesser in quality.
Overall this video just seems ill thought out.
The issue with Modern Nintendo is that they take ALL the wrong lessons from current industry standards.
For me it's how "clean", sterile even, the modern Nintendo games are that makes me not interested in them. Modern Nintendo games look like they come from a lab, not from a game company. There is a serious lack of creativity in them. Back in the 90s', Nintendo would outsource some game projects to other companies like with the Donkey Kong Country series and Super Mario RPG. These were great and creative games, and I really miss this kind of experimentation in Nintendo's franchise. Nintendo does not listen to its fans, it listens only to itself (ie. out-of-touch Japanese CEOs who don't play games)
Im' not saying that Nintendo stopped making good games (Super Mario Odyssey is fantastic), but there are too few of them and they come out inconsistently.
I really felt like you gave Origami King a biased and unfair shake. When referring to the bosses, they aren’t JUST these Stationary, and the game goes out of its way to give each member of the Legion a memorable personality, as well as incorporating what Stationary they are into unique gimmicks in each fight. Coloured Pencils is a snobby, pretentious artist who fires his pencils out like Missiles, putting Homing Attacks on icons across the ring that you can’t step onto, and has to be Hammer Attacked from the back so he closes his lid and hurts himself. Scissors is an Overly-Dramatic Anime Villain who puts a casing on his blades to make it a fair fight, and when you break the casing, begins to cut icons from the ring and deliver an OHKO Attack on you that he’ll charge up and you have to jump to avoid. Simplifying them as “Just Stationary” is really underselling the creative ways that Origami King uses these seemingly basic ideas. And that isn’t the only part of the game where the devs got created, it’s also seen in the different locations, unlike anything we’ve seen in a Mario Game before. A Spa Resort atop the clouds, a Feudal Japanese Themed Movie Studio Theme Park, A large Desert Byome stuck in perpetual freezing nighttime due to the Sun being Holepunched out, featuring Bazaars and Ancient Ruins. A Sprawling Ocean with explorable Islands and Treasure as a homage to Wind Waker, all this stuff that hasn’t really been explored in Paper Mario or general Mario games before
I’m not gonna act like the game is on the same level as the older games in this regard, there is still only generic Mario Enemies as characters. But to say the game doesn’t bring anything creative to the table is an observation that really sells the game short of what it actually is
I definitely played it up for the purposes of the joke. I think origami king is a good game, just falls short from of the previous games in the series.
It's not even the games fault from what I heard Nintendo took away the rights to create original characters and didn't like the original turn based aspect of the game
@@pressaTD^^^ idk if this is true it's just something I heard multiple people say
Nintendo switch is garbage lmaooooooooooooo 😂😂😂😂
I'm starting to see lots of videos like this. Including Arlo's latest negative video on Nintendo.
Feels like a byproduct of the Switch being in its late years. Honestly I love the Switch, Botw, Mario Oddysey, Ring Fit, Kirby and the Forgotten land, Arceus, Astral Chain, Bowsers fury dlc, all innovated in cool ways. And we still got a new zelda and pikmin coming. The switch rules.
I was thinking the same thing. There is a lot of originality in their games if you look for it. Also Arms is a bit underrated as a new IP.
All these frickers just hate to hate
@@IHitTheWater Yeah, Also, at this point I'm betting a bunch of people/ casual fans are absolutely sick and annoyed by the Nintendo hate story I mean we already know but we don't need to hear the story repeated over and over again.
As a Nintendo fan of my own that is absolutely sick of the same Nintendo hate story over and over again, I agree!
if i where to be like a nintendo hater but for playstation i would say that all there AAA games are generic and soulless... wait bad example thats true...
I somewhat disagree that Nintendo has “lost creativity”. Rather than losing creativity, the designers are restricted in their creativity and unable to make interesting creative choices due to the mandate of incompetent higher-ups who just want to play it safe. For example: in Origami King, there are no original 2D characters or locations in the entire game, and there aren’t even any names for those characters. This wasn’t a design choice, it was a restriction; even Bobby is just a bob-omb that lost its fuse and the name Bobby is just a nickname because one of the characters couldn’t say his name right. In order to make a DISTINCT character WITH A NAME, the designers had to find a loophole around the fact that Bobby is REQUIRED to be a generic Mario enemy named its species. It’s absurd and a perfect representation of how Nintendo is treating most of their IPs. It hasn’t been the same since Iwata died
Blaming his death won't make a difference
Almost wish Nintendo didn’t create the switch, and kept the home consoles and handhelds in their own separate categories.
Let’s see, complaining about Ports, DKC Tropical Freeze, probably the closest to a “port” mentioned here since it has the memetic Funky Mode, Mario Kart, with an overhauled Battle Mode and now 48 additional courses, far exceeds its “port status” it originally had. As for Link’s Awakening Remake, its a remake, not a port. All of these examples are either remasters or remakes, not ports. Also gee, cherry picking Super Rush courses with other PGA courses, maybe should’ve shown more than the Rookie Course or Bonny Greens for your example. If you shown the actual courses beyond them, your complaint would fall apart immediately, especially if you shown All Star Summit. It seems your completely blinded by nostalgia more than anything.
Its irrelevant if it’s a port or a remake. Nintendo reusing old content and changing it in small ways is not innovative or creative, which was exactly the point I was trying to make in my video. Tropical only added Funky Kong, those 48 additional courses added to Mario Kart are 95% old courses, and Links’s Awakening is the exact same game shot for shot with a new coat of paint. What exactly about any of that screams creativity? and for Mario golf, I played it at launch before the dlc courses came out, so I don’t know because I wasn’t going to go back 8 months later and replay a mediocre game. The fact is, all the courses in the base game were aggressively mediocre, bland and lacked the creativity of previous games.
@@pressaTD Then why not show courses besides Rookie Course/Bonny Greens? My question still stands. If there as “aggressively mediocre” as you claim, you wouldn’t hesitate to show any but you didn’t, that speaks louder to me. “Shot for shot remake” sure fam, as if an additional dungeon maker mode as well as some other new content actively being added constitutes just being a port. If you really wanted a better example, Skyward Sword HD or Captain Toad, there was also Cadence of Hyrule and before you attempt to say it doesn’t count, it does, it was made with Nintendo’s blessing by the same devs of Crypt of the Necrodancer. As for Mario Kart 8, I could play 48 courses and a mediocre to terrible battle mode or I could have 96 courses (them being Retro’s doesn’t detract anything and there’s also Tour tracks as well) and a better actual battle mode, gee I wonder which is better (also 6 additional characters). Like I said, I don’t deny when Nintendo can make great or creative games, I also am not as nostalgia blinded like you seem to be
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is an enhanced port
@@catmario-_3170 And, what’s your point exactly? I could point to other systems with their “enhanced ports” too. And last I checked, Enhanced ports don’t generally get massive DLC to them 5 years later
@@AWMonopolyMan My point is that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe isn't new. It's still a port of a Wii U game despite how much new content it gets.
Paper Mario: The Origami King was one of the more imaginative games that took advantage of its setting and then some. There’s a lot of good things in it and I you can’t make me say otherwise.
I wish it wasn’t turn based with random encounters because whats the point of fighting enemies when there’s no xp system
@@staringcorgi6475 I love how you get slightly stronger after collecting max-up hearts. As much as I love fighting cause of coins and music and just fighting, It'd be great if they made something like zelda. Real time battles with hp increase and more exploration-based stuff and puzzles.
@@mr.junior7880 i wish i could play paper mario thousand doors on nintendo switch and origami king its kind boring as people saying no xp feel pointless. If they want to make the same mistake on wii that paper mario is trash.
@@DjPon9173 Super is my favorite Paper Mario game. Most creative game of all and which made more risk. Love it or hate it, that was incredible.
@@JoseViktor4099 Haven't beaten it yet but I got far enough to say that it's incredible. I didn't expect it to summarize an entire romance story but it's an rpg and platformer, I didn't really know exactly what to expect.
GameCube fans are so annoying at times. At least he didn’t complain and moan about jrpgs like most GameCube era fans do
Hes probably so stuck in his own bubble he doesnt know what a jrpg is lol
Which is funny because he showed off TTYD, which is a JRPG.
@@protoluigi2047 JRPG is not a real thing, people call JRPG Rpg games that looks like an anime, so paper mario is not one, for example, xenoblade is not turn base, but people call it JRPG, same to final fantasy, or mana series.
The Mario golf example was terrible. You showed one course. New donk city is maybe the most innovative course in all of mario golf. Or at least bowers castle or the dessert course.
Yeah the whole video consists of cherrypicking and bad faith "arguments" that don't even make sense.
Let's take Mario Strikers for another example! The first two Mario Strikers are way better than Battle League! Battle League is empty compared to Charged! It's not normal that the Mario Strikers of the Wii is better than that of the Switch! And that's a fact, not an opinion! He had a lot more creativity in Charged than in Battle League!
@@sharkchannel61 Let's take Mario Strikers for another example! The first two Mario Strikers are way better than Battle League! Battle League is empty compared to Charged! It's not normal that the Mario Strikers of the Wii is better than that of the Switch! And that's a fact, not an opinion! He had a lot more creativity in Charged than in Battle League!
@@SuperPlacido1The biggest problem with BL is lack of content, not really lack of creativity. Otherwise present some arguments. And it's still just one game in quite niche franchise, it's hard to call it indicative of any bad changes for a company as a whole.
@@sharkchannel61 Yes Battle League lacks creativity! Terrains in Charged are much more unique and creative than those in Battle League! Tell me why all the stages in Battle League look alike? Isn't it a lack of creativity?
Astral Chain is a cool new Nintendo IP that's underrated and probably won't get a sequel. It's one of the few Switch games that isn't a port or sequel or remaster.
That was the best switch game I played I need to purchase it
I believe that was more Platinum but Ninten never lost their creativity overall.
You can thank platinum games for that game. All that Nintendo did was publish the game giving them ownership over the IP besides that Nintendo had nothing to do with the creation and development of Astral Chain.
What's the song that plays at the very beginning? I know i've heard it before, most likely from a game I like very much but can't recall which it was lol
I started to notice it after the Wii's shelf life. Most of the GC's entries being better than the Wii's entries. WW better than SS, MK DD better than MK Wii, nothing creative/quirky/unique like Wario World, Viewtiful Joe, Billy Hatcher (yes, a Sega game), Chibi Robo, Pikmin as you said, etc. The GC's library as a whole is higher quality than the Wii's.
Preach brother
Extremely subjective. I think the Gamecube is the lowest quality library from Nintendo of all time not counting the Virtual Boy. Wii was on another level of creativity, and Switch turned the dial up to 11.
@@davemarquez770 Which Wii games are you talking about? To me there's barely 30 Wii games worth owning, while GC is at least 50. If the Switch is an 11 on creativity, then why is there no new IP?
I loved both systems but the GameCube and some superb games.
I will take 0 slander on the Splatoon games being very similar to the first game, infact they both play completely differently all 3 of them, especially 3 each game has its own unique meta!!! And then Mario maker 2 ykw ur right I wish we got more content on launch.
Next up Arms, I kinda feel like you misrepresented the depth of the game, on the surface haha funny speing arms go punch punch but the game contains some actual strategy and depth I hope we get a sequel (we won't)
That's all really great video just feel like you kinda.. didn't play all the games you mentioned felt more surface level
You say every Splatoon is different. Could you name the differences for me, please?
@@SuperPlacido1 Splatoon 1: The first game is the most broken, as far as I remember Zini dominated rollers were completely cracked and damage up... I don't wanna talk about it.. the specials: we had were umm either trash or actually broken. Moving on to splat 2
Splat 2s focus was more synergy focused, damage up was dead and now we had main weapon power up (another problem) all the old specials were gone besides the bomb rushes and were replaced with new strategic specials with added depth. Rollers got nerfed, and we got 2 new weapon classes those being dualies and brellas one being a shield and the other a nimble weapon
Splatoon 3: main power up is dead, all the weapons that relied on it are murdered. Inklings and octolings have new movement abilities which shake things up, specials are back to being selfish and chaotic and yeah that's all I can say about 3 so far
@@bea-bo4032 Ah I see! Thank you so much for giving me such a long and complete explanation! I appreciate you taking all this time for me! I haven't played any Splatoon! That's why I wanted to know the differences! In any case, have a great week-end!😁
@@SuperPlacido1 There is the story stuff too and the new weapon classes and gear, plus Salmon Run and new maps too. And Splatoon 3's unique splatfest tri color battles.
If you ask me Nintendo peaked in the early 1970s when they were producing pornographic playing cards.
It’s been downhill ever since.
Hard disagree. They were still at their peak with the N64, GameCube, DS, and Wii.
I actually think the switch era is great for Nintendo. Many people who think so otherwise have forgotten how out of touch Nintendo was for the wii u and 3ds era. Tbh Besides Paper Mario and the mario sports games which have more to do with their respective developers being stubborn, Nintendo is doing great.
Remember when the Wii U main mainline mario game launch title was a reskin nsmbw sold for 60$? Remember when the mainline 3d mario game is an over glorified hd 3d land game (don't hate. I actually think 3d world is good, but it isn't what most wanted) and there was no mainline zelda game till the end of its lifespan?
I used to think Nintendo lost their way until the switch came along.
Also the fact that, the Switch is why a lot of both their heavy hitters and little guns have more brand awareness and sales because of the Switch's flexibility.
I think 3D world is a lot better than people give credit for, especially regarding the multiplayer factor. The level design felt fresh too. I also loved the original 3d land for 3ds. That said, I think odyssey was exactly what people expected from mario back then. Fortunately, Nintendo was creative with other more forgotten franchises back then.
Nintendo changed from selling 13 millions wii u to 140 millions switch, the switch era was amazing to Nintendo.
Let’s face it: 90% of the time a company gets super big, they start to play things super safe the moment they think taking risks is not worth potentially losing money over…
I honestly think origami king is HEAVILY overhated. I mean, sure, it’s pretty easy, but you can tell they were trying to be original with their characters. Another thing that makes me upset is that everyone is comparing it to TTYD. The game isn’t trying to be the next TTYD. It’s trying to be it’s own thing. Just because a game is in the same franchise doesn’t make it so it HAS to be the exact same type of game. And I’m not saying the game is perfect, it’s far from it. The tutorial could be shorter, the battles could definitely use more challenge, and your companions doing something besides attacking whenever they feel like it could be nice. I thought that besides Olly’s reason for being the bad guy in the game, it was well written. Olivia was a enjoyable companion, Bobby’s death still makes me tear up years after playing the game. Just because the game isn’t a carbon copy of TTYD doesn’t make it bad. Also, the office supply bosses were kind of cool in the way that they stood out among everything else. In short, Origami King gets too much hate for not being TTYD: Part 2 and I don’t think a game with as enjoyable contents as this deserves this much hate. 3:30
Totally unrelated comment but thats also my opinion on the Mario and Luigi Paper Jam game, people hate it just because of the bosses and levels being unoriginal, like the game has to be like its predecessors, even though its trying to be its own game. Btw I agree with you comment.
@@luciomatos0806 Yeah, thanks!
Origami king and color splash are overhated, and do you know the reason? because the people want to play a TTYD clone, so the dude is complaining about creativity, but what he really wants is to play clone games from gamecube era.
As a Switch player, I've found remakes/ports of older 1st Party (SNES/GCN/Wii/WiiU) games to be great since modern gaming has been stale since the introduction of the PS4/XB1
Weird Yoshi take tbh, Woolly World is peak Yoshi. Good vid nonetheless
We need another Iwata
I agree for sure.
Using him won't make a difference
Basically another clown to soften the truth that Nintendo is the same draconian corporation they've been since the late 80s.
Even then, when the chips were down that still wasn't enough with the poor man having to spend the last days of his life profusely apologizing for how shit the Wii U was going, while the community was calling for his (and Reggie's) head.
@@nodtomodley9114 no, we need a man with Ideas and Vision like him.
Yeah we need more Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival's, Federation Force, Mario Party 10, Wii Music, Chibi Robo Zip Lash, etc in the world. I miss Iwata...
4:40 Whats the song called?
We need more itterative sequels like the forgotten land which was unique to the kirby franchise, a franchise who’s mainline games were mostly 2d
10 months later and we got Pikmin 4 and Mario wonder. Two of the most creative games in their franchises
He still gonna say it's bad, Mario Odyssey is super creative, and he treat the game like mid.
Tough Nintendo offers free repairs for Joycon. I live in Italy and Nintendo repaired mine in a week and was very kind
Hey did you know there are actually more courses in Mario Golf Super Rush than the first 2. Just a thought.
Modern video gaming-wise, I hate Nintendo because they have habits of shutting down their online servers on their modern online Nintendo consoles (Both home and handheld) and moving on to their next-generation modern online Nintendo consoles (Both home and handheld). Retro video gaming-wise, I love Nintendo because they created some great consoles (Both home and handheld) in the past from the NES/Famicom all the way to the GameCube and the Game Boy family (From the original all the way to the GBA).
Still better whatever Microsoft and Sony is doing
I think that what annoys me about the Mario games, it's that the personality of all these iconic characters that we love is actually mostly found in spin-off games and not in the mainline games.
I mean look at the cutscenes in Mario Rabbids, and then the cutscenes in Mario Odyssey. Mario Rabbids has a lot more charm and personality than Odyssey in its cutscenes.
Or compare Luigi in Mario and Luigi, in Paper Mario, in Luigi's Mansion... with Luigi in the mainline games. Luigi has no personality in these games.
In the spin-offs, he's shy and easily scared, but he still does what he must when it truly matters. He's even sometimes portrayed with an inferiority complex since Mario is a big star while people tend to even forget Luigi's name.
Or Daisy, look at her in Strikers Charged or Mario Party 3 where she's a tomboy, slaps Bowser and still has her tanned skin, which works well with her color scheme and with fact that she comes from Sarasaland.
In the new Strikers game though, her tomboyish attitude is gone and she's just a Peach clone. And it's not the first time this happens. It's not this Daisy that we like.
In fact, it's not the characters in the mainline games that we like. Most of the stuff that's fun, entertaining and sometimes relatable about these characters comes from the spin-offs.
Hell my favourite character only appears in spinoffs
@@aigeneratedwauigi2696 Yeah and he's been created for a spin-off game. Sometimes I feel like the people who make spin-off games understand Mario and his world better than the ones who make the mainline games.
There’s a reason why since the GCN, the Mario Kart spinoff started to become a better seller than the mainline Mario stuff, with the exception of the DS.
As messy as they were the star fox games on gamecube, especially assault, tried to push the series forward in a way that isnt just 64 again and feel like they simply released too early as evident by adventures hasty rework of dinosaur planet and assault's land controls in a time before major 3rd person shooters.
Heck the only new star fox content since zero is a dlc for a game I didnt know existed until starfox related content appeared in my recommended. (I don't think Zero will be on switch simply becahse of how tied to the wii u gamepad it is).
Its only gonna get worse since the switch is much older now and people keep theorizing what the next console could be unless nintendo actively releases a new lineup of major games for it.
I know, and even then both gamecube games were rejected and didn't sell well in their attempts to experiment and didn't see appreciation for them until after the Wii U. Its like Nintendo fans can't make up their minds with what they want Nintendo to do or be at the time.
@@francoperalta5986 I dont think either the fans or nintendo know what they want to do with starfox at this point.
Adventures was too much of a divergence for a lot of people and assault came out at the end of the gamecube era yet unlike pikmin or the prime games didnt boost numbers by getting a wii rerelease and the wii itself got no games for the series leaving the last thing we got till zero was the bad fanfiction that was command for years.
As someone who got into starfox just a while ago the fandom is all over the place with each game practically having its own sections of the fanbase behind it.
Imo redoing 64 isn't going to work in this modern era as the demand for rail shooters is low (most of the people that want this are also 64 fans who are now in their 30s which wont make lots of money) and people are sick of the same story being retold and not in the way of basic plot structure to enhance gameplay or setting like mario or zelda do.
Starfox as a whole will either need a straightforward game that is competent in controls and advertising that advances the story or an utter reimagining of what the series is as a whole is to stay relevant.
Maybe if the Mario movie is a massive hit Nintendo will try branching out again with their smaller series.
Can we take a moment to talk about how Nintendo has seemingly left Mario in the dust with no new mainline release….but tears of the kingdom already got a release date
That happened with the N64 and the GameCube. This isn't the first time
Usually Mario and Zelda receive only one main title per console, unless it's an direct continuation, like ocarina and majora, or galaxy 1 and 2, the only exception was Zelda twilight princess that was released on gamecube and wii, that also have wind waker and skyward. And if we think about it, BOTW is a Wii U game ported to the switch, and TOTK is the Zelda title for the switch.
They even remade Bob-omb Battlefield from Super Mario 64 in Mario Golf Toadstool Tour! The RPG games and World Tour were also very good Mario Golf games!
I was a gamecube and wii kid too and have some gripes with certain switch era decisions, but you lost me the second you came with ARMS disrespect lol. Easily one of the coolest Nintendo made games for me and such a fresh entry in the overall fighting game genre. Amazing world concept and building, loveable character designs and personalities, super unique simple to pick up but insane to master combat mechanics, customizable ARMS that makes no 2 players have the same game plan even with the same character, anyone who sees all of that and takes "its just punching people with... Your arms" away from it isn't exactly someone who's thoughts on what's creative or not are what I find reliable lol. No hate though, the general point of some past magic getting lost is one I agree with, just ARMS is definitely NOT an example of that.
That part at the end is opinion based because my favorite 3D Mario is 6 years old, favorite Paper Mario is 3 years old, favorite Metroid is 2, favorite Zelda is 6, etc. Also why didn't you mention Smash Ultimate? Does it make the other Smash games look so small and outdated that it wouldn't fit your argument for the video at all and goes completely against it?
Thats the beautiful thing about opinions everyone can have one :)
You open my eyes buddy. I did not see it but your right about Nintendo no experimenting new ideas and stories. Alot of Nintendo sequels have been subpar and barebones. Hopefully they branch out more different IPs in the next generation.
Contradictory when the Nintendo Switch concept alone was new idea, and even in the video he talk about games like sniperclips and arms, not counting the labo project or 1 2 switch, good or bad, nintendo was taking risk and not playing safe with those new ips.
Idc what fans say the switch is boring I bought one years ago and still have no need to play it the games are boring just the same family themed games I’ve already played for years nothing new just feels like a system made specifically for kids or for people that want the old nostalgia feeling
Nintendo Fell Off ever since they realized how much of a profit they could make from the Switch
Highly doubt they fell off and the switch is still a success
I Honestly couldnt agree more with you on everything that youve said and more
My biggest problem is we still don't have GameCube Star Fox ports or sequels.
Imo I find Paper mario origami king very creative with its characters and bosses, Like it was mentioned that one of the bosses were colored pencils but The other bosses were all the things that threatened paper as a whole like hole puncher and scissors, I do agree that bosses like thousand year door were cool but it wasnt the same type of story
Also he forgot to mention the fighting which was also a creative thing
I disagree with this concept entirely.
Nintendo hasn't lost it's creativity.
Their treatment of legacy games isn't all bad.
But selling them at full price is BS but eh...Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD weren't much better either.
Eh no when it comes to their games they really haven't lost their creativity.
They really don't play it way too safe.
At times they are too risk averse but at other times they are perfectly fine with taking risks.
Was the Gamecube era really the most creative and most experimental era in Nintendo's history? That is debable really.
Yes true...and the Wii launched with a game about using avatars of yourself and others playing sports with this thing called motion controls and it launched with a T rated Zelda game which was pretty bold of them to do. Also the Switch launched with a open world Zelda game which was really game changing.
Eh...Animal Crossing is technically part of the N64 era too since it originally released on the 64 in Japan. And now we have modern beloved franchises like Splatoon too.
True the Switch isn't great with creating new beloved franchises...however it still has great creative amazing new installments for franchises, Fire Emblem is better then ever now and Three Houses was pretty different and unique, Splatoon has had some really creative ideas on the switch, Mario Odyssey and Wonder are bursting with creativity, BOTW and TOTK, Smash Bros Ultimate, Metroid Dread, Luigi's Mansion 3,Animal Crossing New Horizons, Mario Tennis Aces which can feel like a fighting game at times, Kirby went 3D, etc.
True...although Star Fox Adventures is kinda lazy since it originally was meant to be a new IP.
And the Switch has Mario change outfits and go to all these different kingdoms and interact with real people and has Pauline in a mainline Mario Game. Also it gave Kirby a 3D game. They made Mario Tennis a fucking fighting game. They changed how Fire Emblem plays and how it's progression happens. And they made a open world Zelda game.
They really aren't few and far between at all, there are tons of them and enough of them too.
Eh...Mario Maker 2 is different enough from the first game really, by your logic you could say the same thing about the whopping 4 Mario Party games on Gamecube or Metroid Prime 2. No the two Splatoon sequels on Switch are different enough too, again by your logic you could also say the same about a game like Pikmin 2.
Yes there are ports so what? The Switch still has many other games you ignore, also Animal Crossing on Gamecube is literally a port too yet you for some reason use it as an argument for the Gamecube like what? Also Link's Awakening on Switch is a remake not a port, that is very different and it took a lot of effort to make the remake too.
This divide in creativity isn't everywhere, like it's not in Smash Bros, Kirby, mainline Mario, Splatoon, Metroid, Mario spin offs like Luigi's Mansion and the new Peach game, etc.
Cherrypicking one other single game being Super Rush doesn't mean modern Nintendo games as a whole lack creativity, Smash Bros Ultimate has everyone in it and most stages are back too, Kirby went 3D, Fire Emblem, Luigi's Mansion is now a crazy creative hotel, etc.
So no that isn't indicative of modern Nintendo games as a whole.
No they overall still are creative as they used to be.
It mostly doesn't affect their quality since it mostly isn't true.
No Nintendo games still are as good as they used to be.
Mario Galaxy being the best 3D Mario game is debatable really,
Also yeah...not every latest entry in a franchise is gonna be the best one, that normally happens with a lot of franchises but that doesn't mean anything. The best Fire Emblem game is Three Houses, the best Smash Bros game is Ultimate, the best Mario kart game is 8 Deluxe, the best Luigi's Mansion is 3, the best Pikmin game is 4, etc. Also Yoshi's Island being better then Wooly World is debatable.
Yes a lot of their best games are over decades old but that's mostly because their last game WAS decades old and wasn't even on the switch or is on other systems you probably love too...so that isn't a good point. Like of course the Switch wouldn't have a new installment for every Nintendo franchise, that's just unrealistic to expect.
That isn't unacceptable, the snes is great and many argue it has the best Final Fantasy game too.
Also take off the nostalgia glasses cause not everything they released back then was magic, again Animal Crossing was a port and Star Fox Adventures was just another game redone so they could slap a Nintnedo coat of paint on it, also the Donkey Konga games became a cashcow series too.
Not everything back then felt new and exciting.
Games like this on the switch aren't few and far between at all.
True but they are new and exciting a lot of the time.
It really isn't true and it's certainly not why modern Nintendo sucks.
Exactly and finally a real person that knows the truth!
Buddy, I appreciate all this effort but you don't need to hit return like 5 times
@@CouragelessOne what do you mean?
bro wdym arms was very creative
I'll have to go into detail about some of this stuff.
First off about that 11 list. Some of those games from the list you show, are developed by smaller studios that Nintendo just let do what they want. Those are not their IP. Particularly numbers 3,4, 9,10,11. You want to use those as evidence that Nintendo is creatively bankrupt?
Secondly You ask a question about how many of these games will get sequels? Well, the games you mentioned that got sequels, splatoon, Mario maker, (not Pikmin, Animal Crossing, or Xenoblade, and Fire Emblem). antithesise this creativity you want.
Regarding the gamecube. I won't deny any creativity on display with the gamecube ( I'd like to add Kirby Air Ride, for being Kirby's first racer and even the two gamecube Star Fox games even if they all weren't executed as gracefully as they could've done. Even though they along with other existing and new IP you mention faced rejection or lack of enthusiasm at the time after and even attempting to take those steps. And the gamecube being the worst selling system at the time didn't help matters.
You talk about And the Switch counterparts you do bring up like Mario sports games, and Origami King, (even though I'd dispute that one a little with the battle system and set pieces), lacking creativity or lack of inspiration was not what those games were marked down for. I'll give you props for bringing up Kirby and Mario and Rabbits. Why do you avoid mentioning Mario Odyssey, Breath of the Wild or any of the xenoblade or fire emblems, Metroid Dread, the new Wario Ware, Yoshi, Luigi's Mansion? Several series of which are my first exposures to. Edit: I jumped the gun on the BoTW, Odyssey, part of my comment before the end, wish that they were brought up sooner.
When bringing up 2d Zelda with Links Awakening, you forget about Cadence of Hyrule, that little indie rhythmic game with Zelda content. A game that probably should've been on that 11. Same with the Star Fox segment in Starlink to a lesser degree. Say what you like about those games quality, but I ask if you'd actually accuse a rhythmic Zelda crossover or an open space crossover with Star Fox lacking creativity. Both of which were collaborated on?
I'm just getting mixed messages here. You want them to be creative and innovative and when they are such as Kirby, Ringfit, Mario and Rabidds, they're exceptions that might be a once in a while thing that you wonder if they'll continue with. But when they finally do continue with em and expand and add on to them with sequels such as Smash Ultimate, the Splatoon games, or Mario Maker 2 for example. They're not fresh anymore or un creative? It just doesn't feel like Nintendo fans can make up their minds on matters like these.
😭I know it’s not your fault but mehrio(Mario) kills me me 😂
Who is mayorio?
Pretty brazen of them to raise game prices to $70 before launching their next system... not even Sony had the sack to charge $70 for the PS4 versions of their games
They Used to be the GOAT back in the Mid Late 80s Early late 90s and Early Late 2000s but Not anymore
I agree with you with most of what you said in the video. I definitely do think Nintendo is losing its creative energy nowadays with a lot of older game franchises.
However I do disagree with what you said about Splatoon 2 and 3. Let me explain. The Splatoon franchise to me feels different as a franchise compared to the rest of the franchises Nintendo has. There was a lot of people hating on the 3rd game specifically because we already had 2 on switch. Now when we are looking at average Nintendo standards, I can see why people are frustrated with this. But the thing about Splatoon is there is more to the game then just the online multiplayer. Heck if you really want to argue on it being “the same” then why did they make checkpoints in tower control? Why does the rainmaker not charge inkzooka shots anymore? Did Splatoon 1 have clam blitz? Did Splatoon 2’s rainmaker have checkpoints? Sure these may not be massive changes but I believe they are still enough to be worth saying they are separate games. Going back to my point on these games not being only online multiplayer is the hero campaigns and the lore. In fact that’s part of the core reason on why these games are separate.
That’s all I have to say.
what do u have against arms why'd you write it off so quickly lol
I feel bad for people who can’t enjoy the Switch era. It’s a beautiful time for Nintendo and there’s so much to appreciate. I’m an older gamer myself, and started with the NES, so I certainly can appreciate all the great history the company has had. But this current generation has completely brought me back to my highest level of Nintendo fandom. Mario Odyssey singe handedly restored my love of video games, and beat Mario 64 to become my favorite game which I always thought was impossible. Breath Of The Wild and Tears Of The Kingdom are by far my favorite Zelda games, and I’ve never been a huge Zelda fan (always preferred Mario). New Horizons is the first Animal Crossing since the very first one that hooked me and got me to put hundreds of hours into it. And so on and so on. My experience with this era has been a reawakening of my love for games. I’m sorry that isn’t the case for you, truly. I’ve unsubscribed from your channel because your recent videos have just been a bummer and I don’t want my vibe killed.
Same here and I agree with you, recently a ton of people have been absolutely sick of the Nintendo negativity, hate rain and people bashing on Nintendo 24/7.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that knows naps would fact that Press A has fallen off ever since.
Honesty you are right. People are more excited about getting remakes or ports on the switch from older games. There is a lack of any charm and it feels very glassy and boring. The most played game on my switch is the Nintendo 64 Switch Online thing. Because of all the amazing games I missed out on as a kid. And also, when it comes to the booster course pass, people are more excited about what wii, Ds, and Double dash courses we will get over the mediocre tour tracks
That same thing can be said about the gaming industry as a whole.
@@ZackSNetworkCope harder Nintendo switch fanboy 😂😂😂
6:42 aahh, that Hollow Knight tune. 🫀
GameCube era is so good I didn’t even grow up in it grew up in Wii/Wii U era
Its interessting you have selected exactly those examples which fit in your pocket.I mean Zelda botw which is programmed with priority switch ist a open world zelda which wasn't the time then for example. So they changed the game formula completly. In animal Crossing you aren't on the city like back then you are on an Island which you can design as you wish, that wasn't in the gamecube title the case. Please put down your nostalgia glasses as look objetive on he case.
Not going to lie @vicmikey in the comment section made a good point, the switch fans deserve a bunch of respect rather than people bashing on the switch era. From my point of view, Nintendo has been doing absolutely good in this era ever since.
The paper Mario part has aged extremely poorly since the thousand your door came out and it's proof that Nintendo does actually listen to criticism and fixes their mistakes
The Nintendo negativity hate rain needs to be stopped. It's done nothing but create a bunch of toxic arguments across the internet and the biggest problem about the situation is if you blame the Nintendo as a whole, you're dragging and it's developers and employees considering the fact they have absolutely nothing to do with the DMCA legal team whatsoever.
Nintendo switch is garbage lmaooooooooooooo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Playstation portal is better than Nintendo switch 😂😂😂😂
AGAIN?!
@@PickleKongsRevenge This was 6 months ago, where were you all this time?
@@PickleKongsRevenge Also, I've seen your video.
I've made a comment about it.
@@M64bros Hope you learnt something from it.
I like my switch but I wish I had a Wii U when it was out and had online
The last actual console Nintendo made was the Snes and NES classic edition. I miss when Nintendo made non gimmick consoles.
"mairio" I can't take you seriously
kirby is always winning thankfully
Ma-rio like maw but I wholeheartedly agree. Modern Nintendo goes from the biggest titan to the one afraid to take risks, and when it does people are quick to dismiss it or hate on it because it’s not this or it’s not that. You realize Nintendo is a company first and foremost and even they listen to someone (the person with the most money) and don’t care as long as you buy it which they know you will, because they thrive off of nostalgia and good memories which by now have been tainted by greed and corruption of gaming like the online PAID subscription, locking things behind said subscription that should’ve been included from the start, butchering the virtual console ending it with the worse console the wii u, and only putting a quarter of those games back and putting the true nostalgia bait if actually threatened or shadow drop it. Face it Nintendo is a soulless cash pit that only sees nostalgia as a thing to be monetized pushing the boundaries of how far they can push (I mean love their fans😂) enough to put them back onto NSO.
Idk arms was kinda cool imo. I just wish they did more with it because they really could’ve. But like you said they were too safe.
First of all, the “best” in these series is entirely subjective. I think it’s less Nintendo games being creative than it is that your tastes have changed. As a long time player of their games, I honestly feel the quality of their games is better than ever, and that’s not something I’ve felt since the SNES days. But that’s my opinion, and I know not everyone will agree. Certainly not going to equate my best as some indisputable metric.
The GameCube’s new IPs:
Luigi’s Mansion
Pikmin
Animal Crossing
Chibi-Robo
Custom Rubo
The Wii’s new IPs:
Wii titled games
The Wii U’s new IPs:
Splatoon
Mario Maker
Captain Toad
Hyrule Warriors
NES Remix
The Switch’s new IPs:
1-2 Switch
Arms
Nintendo Labo
Astral Chain
This to me only proves my point that a struggling Nintendo is a creative Nintendo. Not saying Wii and Switch are bad but it’s clear that they do more creative things when they are losing.
Rhythm Heaven actually started in the GBA but only in japan, for the rest of the world it started on the DS
@@nintendistultr458
My bad
You also forget Ring Fit Adventure, Game builder Garage, and Snipper Clips. I guess they were losing when they created them. Astral chain was Platinum Games.
Animal crossing is a N64 original IP, the gamecube version is just a port.
1:22 That is not the goal of Animal Crossing, as Animal Crossing on GameCube was originally designed for the player to come up with their own goals as they discover for themselves what Animal Crossing is all about. Nowadays, Animal Crossing has certainly changed for the worse, with a clearcut goal to get a five-star town and get K.K Slider on your town.
Origami King is still the best paper mario since Color Splash and Super!
You should be in prison
The best since the worst (SPM)
@@pressaTDThat is physically impossible because I am not old enough. Am I going to reveal my exact age? HELL NO, because that is none of anyones buisness.
@@pressaTD Sounds like something you should be in after agreeing with people with blaming Iwata's death on modern nintendo. Nintendo was like this ever since he was alive as well.
Mario Odyssey sucked - what on earth was the point of possessing the T-rex? That game was gimmick after gimmick with zero challenge and huge but boring levels
3:39 that's actually a remake, if it was a port the game would be graphically and gameplay wise the same as the original Game boy game
3:28 how is this a port???
Remember when your console could play multiplayer with ease ?
That's kinda over with SONY and microsoft, and basically with Nintendo too.
If you don’t like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, DK…or are a full ass adult…Nintendo isn’t for you.
I don’t mean to nit-pick…but can we call Mario Mah-ri-o and not Marry-o
Animal crossing was a 64 game in japan...so wrong.
Lol 😆
Forgot to mention that smash ultimate is smash Wii U but with all the characters, Wii U had paid dlc and same with ultimate:
nah it's not, Sakurai change a lot of mechanics, and rebalanced the game, but to play casually? yes, it's the same form wii u, wii, game cube, it won't change, because the focus of smash bros is the competitive scenario, it's like complaining that CS is the same since CS source.
Naah the Metroid Prime thing was not a risk. Nintendo gave a fuck about Metroid.
Nintendos plan was, when Prime failed, no more Metroid for us.
There is a Interview with a ex retro studio guy. He said the whole Metroid Prime situation was super weird, nobody from Nintendo really cared about the project.
Yeah I'm not supporting nintendo anymore I'm just gonna buy only ps5 games 😒
@@sebatheepik That has nothing to do with Metroid
Me watching this video is the Matt Damon aging gif from saving private ryan