Rededicated Cathedral of St. John The Divine, NYC
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- 11AM Rededication Service - 1st video of the restored Great Aeolian Skinner Organ, Op. 150B, featuring the world renowned State Trumpet stop. This Processional Hymn is 'O God of Every Nation', by William Watkins Reid, Jr. The Cathedral's Associate Organist and Choirmaster Timothy J. Brumfield performs.
Please forgive the shaky camerawork - I recorded this on my Canon S5 digicam while standing in the Nave.
From the reaction of some in the congregation, it seems some had forgotten just how powerful that state trumpet is. Whenever I am able to finally visit New York, this is one place I must see, and one organ I must surely try to hear.
or better yet, 'take it for a test drive' i.e. PLAY it
No matter how loud the organ is, there is always SOMEONE (usually near the microphone) who MUST talk over it!
And someone singing terribly 🤣
@@GZ9090In the USA, yes. Commonwealth countries - often not.
WHAT??? Talk LOUDER... I can't hear you for the ORGAN!!!
I would love to see that trumpet solo at the beginning made into its own piece; those trumpets sound fantastic
This, from the restorer of the organ. thank you. I've watched your videos many times.
it was hard work, but so worth it to hear the glory again. memories!
The State Trumpet by the way in my voicing room which is only 180 sq/ft is rather crude. But it is perfect for the Cathedral.
Eric, thank you for your kind words! And thank you so much for your dedication and hard work!
Awesome! I love the sound of the organ and enchemade trumpets, the hymn, the acoustics, the procession and incense. Beautiful...absolutely beautiful!
Those state trumpets are simply amazing,hearing them in person is sure to make you get goosebumps,outstanding audio/video!Thanks for posting this!
That intro to the hymn is beautiful
Mike Quimby and his staff did a wonderful job on the wonderful instrument--And think, Quimby Pipe Organs is from little ol Warrensburg , Missouri!!
The trumpet en chamad was rebuilt by Austin Organs Inc. In Hartford CT. It is on 100" of pressure and had basically blown itself apart over the years. It is an 8' trumpet but they added the non speaking 16' extension for aesthetic reasons. The re voicing had to be done at the factory on weekends because it was so loud the factory workers couldn't work on other instruments while the en chamade was being reworked.
The State Trumpet is on 50", not 100".
The Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ is the only known organ in the world to feature stops standing on 100" of wind pressure
The intro to the hymn and the interlude after the first verse are awesome
thank you so much for posting this. very beautiful!
This sends shivers down my back. What an experience to be there in person!!!
Ahh, that brings tears of joy to my eyes, the emotions the sound brings to me is memories of 2001 in June when I heard the Organ Live at evensong.
THat organ is tonally awesome and grand
Whether Holy Communion or Evensong but in the days of Dean West my liturgical 'Hour' at Saint John the Divine was highly experiential. Thank you. The choir is fantastic.
wow now I really need to go there! amazing organ-thanks for the video. what a sound!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fantastic! What a great joy to hear this.
One of the two great Cathedrals in New York City, yours truly has been fortunate to be in both Saint John The Divine and Saint Patricks. Both are classic examples of Gothic Architecture, the restored Organ at Saint John The Divine is incredible, the Trumpet Stop blows one away!
I don't care what Religious Preference you may have, Saint John The Divine is beautiful and well worth visiting.
The Roman Catholic Church and the Episcopalian/Anglican Church have much better relations these days; not perfect, but certainly an improvement on the 16th and 17th centuries!
Some other forms of beautiful churches are the stave churches in Norway. Obviously, they’re not on the scale of this, but beautiful none the less. Sadly, some became the targets of arson attacks some years back. And being constructed of wood, you can imagine how that would go.
OMG - another Paul Halley organ improv CD at St John the Divine - glorious... breath-taking... awesome!!!
What a joy to hear!
Woooow!!! It's really incredible!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! Viewing this now MANY times... this awesome instrument has always been a favorite! The CD by Paul Haley is AMAZING as is the Dorothy Papadakus CD. Pomp and Circumstance at its ABSOLUTE BEST!
Now... we look forward to new recordings of this sensational instrument and acoustic and artist?
WOW!
tc
I'm proud that the cathedral is doing great even after the fire. God bless you and the cathedral, that no one may try to burn or destroy it.
The name of the hymn being sung is "O God of Every Nation"
I'm happy to see that St. John's and its organ has been refurbished considering how much damage the north transept fire had done. To hear the majestic sound of the State Trumpets once more is such a wonderful treat. God bless the people who put in the hard work to repair that church its organ.
Great pipes!
Good to see and hear it back!
I would love to come visit here for a service someday
I love the Tubas at 8 and 4 soloing out the melody. Lots of clang!
Being a big fan of Paul Halley's Nightwatch CD, I visited this cathedral in Nov 2000 and on arriving learned to my dismay that I had just missed hearing the great organ - doh! Unfortunately, I wasn't able to come back another day but I will definitely visit again - and call ahead to make sure I visit at the right time, lol! Cheers from Canada
WOW, enormous !!!
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wow, what an organ, I regret terribly that I didn't attend a worship when I was in New York
@MTheChequeGuy You are so right. There is NOTHING like a good pipe organ.
LD, don't worry about the camerawork, you're providing an invaluable service to give us the sound !! Are those State Trumpets hair-raising, or what ?? Simply splendid !!
Looks like KINGS AND QUEENS are coming.!
Im going to the night watch this they have next month. I can not wait to here those things in person.
You're right!
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@livzdave Ahh ok. I wanted to save it to my computer and was searching all over the internet for it. You took a wonderful shot of it!
Caio Stefano,
Your English is perfect!! Greetings to you and your beautiful country Italy! This is a beautiful anglican hymn. If only the words could come to be! Oh to hear Luca on this awesome organ! :o)
Best Regards,
Roy
livzdave... thousands of 'thank you's to you! I was hoping to hear that Processional again and, here, I found that it had been posted.
I was seated in the second row of the white ticket area, so, not only was I closer to the State Trumpet, but where it and the rest of the organ are acoustically in sync. I was choking up during this. An old, mighty friend returns from the Quimby company much happier.
btw... has anyone noticed that the Tierce Mixture wasn't used at all during both services?
And I would have to fly all the way from San Diego!
@emilewyn
The tune is Llangloffan, found at #607 in Hymnal 1982. It may be in other hymnals,
too.
You have no idea. In 1965, when I was five, my mother and I were sightseeing while my father was at Columbia, and we went in. It was a cloudy day, I guess, because the immensity of the place scared the hell out of me. I've gotten over it, but it is just an massive space.
Morningside Heights is a nice section of northern Manhattan, Columbia University is nearby. I visited Saint Johns about six years ago and it is a truly beautiful and massive Gothic Cathedral.
Your suspicion that some of them are visiting RC clergy is right. The man dressed "like a cardinal" at 3:19 is in fact Edward Cardinal Egan, then Roman Catholic archbishop of New York.. he has since retired.
A lot of tourists don't even now this cathedral exists! Everyone goes right for St Patricks
@1:46 Here comes the smoke. Glorious!!!
It's called Incense.
I agree with the Paul Haley CD. Its my absolute favorite recording. I'm trying to get him to come back to do another recording of improvisations. I have the feeling that with the success of this instrument, he will.
What an amazing interlude to the hymn, and it makes me want to play it just to hear how long it'll take the horizontals to reach the console.
Eight seconds, I'm told!
Like Dale said 8 seconds but that is because of acoustic lenghts.
Your Canon S5 is sweet! Whether you had it on auto, or tweaked the settings, the light sensitivity and color reproduction are superb, the sound pick-up is nothing short of phenomenal; really enveloping. Your opening and closing stills of the Great Rose Window and State Trumpet are gorgeous (were those video frame-grabs?). As for the Great Organ; WELCOME BACK! New York, and the world, went far too long without you. And as for Tim; his playing speaks for itself. Great job all around!
The original rebuild in the 1950's called for a free standing organ around the West Rose Window. However, the price of the rebuild was so great that they could not included the second organ. In fact, much of the "new" pipework came from other A-S rebuilds particularly the old Hook at Riverside.
WOW !! 3,300 views in just 4 days. That old Skinner must be more popular than I thought. It really does sound magnificent, doesn't it?
The hymn is "O God of Every Nation", whereas the tune for the hymn is called "Llangloflan", a welsh melody.
Huge and Prismatic Stained Glass
I can totally relate to the interaction at the beginning, between an enthusiast and the person who isn’t that interested, carping about being in the picture. Terrible timing, just how those moments always go!
He said if he is given the chance he would love to. Right now though he is in Nova Scotia as the Director of Chapel Music for King's College and St. George's Anglican Church. He has a lot of projects including overseeing a new organ for the chapel. Did you happen to catch the live performance of "Triptych" at St. Ignatius Loyola 2 years ago? Amazing!
Katherine's holding the line up at the front ;-)
@livzdave Did you know that Quimby "re-positioned" the Great upperwork
for greater tuning stability and tonal cohesion with the rest of that division's
stops. In 1953/1954 GDH and Aeolian-Skinner had to squeeze the upperwork
around un-moveable, large Pedal pipes. As I recall it, all of the Pedal Open
Bass 32', is now on the North side, making more room on the South Side,
where the Great division is
State trumpet = 50 inches of wind!!! I stood right beside it in 1989 while it was being tuned - deafening. If you think hearing a recording is something, wait until you're actually inside that space.
Well, you can't beat that.
Keep in mind that this was during Advent. You still have to keep in mind the season and sing hymns that are appropriate for that time.
@wyldecut That is a good question. I can't give you any numbers, because it depends on the church sanctuary acoustics and also the organ builders taste. I visited a church in Boston that has a set up somewhat like this and I can tell you that this one CAN easily out-blast a full congregation.
@mrstevecbournias There is a nave section prepared for in the console I believe.
@livzdave
I leave for Gotham tomorrow (5/14) and will hear participate in the 11:00 service
on 5/16 and hear a recital there that afternoon. I've been promised time
on the instrument during my visit. They are willing to do that if one persists!
I'm also "doing" the stair climb clear out to the outside roof! Quite strenuous and
not for the faint-hearted or those with vertigo - fear of heights, etc.
I'll get back in touch when I return.
I have been to special services at Episcopal Churches with Catholic clergy there. In my Town the Catholic Church loaned my Episcopal Church their Church for a very large service when we hosted the our Diocese convention
would u ever get them to install a 16' and 4' version of the state trumpet as well ?
Sweet
@cwwacko
Budget cuts at the Cathedral forced them to cut out Tim's position; he is now
at Manhattan's CHurch of the Intercession at Broadway/155th.
@livzdave nice camera!!
@lustful2
Your assessment of this is wrong; it's not that no one in the congregation knew
O God . . . It's that self-conciousness and the emotion of the moment kept
some from singing and we musn't forget that in a huge building, even if
singing is fairly good, it won't be picked up due to extraneous noise, etc.
Your S5 camera blows me away with how well it records audio! Thank you so much for capturing this so magnificently. I'm now looking for one of these cameras myself on EBAY. I have a cannon digital camera but it doesn't record audio. So, how long are you able to record on the same SD card with this camera doing both video and audio? Best audo I've gotten before is with a H2 digital recorder but the audio response of this camera is simply amazing!
@etbuk
Wouldn't you love to tune them?
Lol deafness imminent
@pipeup1
Yes, it was either bad planning or simply some unforseen "something" that
we can't see on the screen.
So, what do you do if you have a longer service? Can you change SD cards and carry forth?
How come Cardinal Egan is attending the service?
Silly/dumb question (sorry been 15+ years since I took music theory): Would the very last chord played by the organist at the end of the hymn be considered a picardy third? He seems to go off key a little. It's sounds beautiful and wondering what the technical name is? You hear similar techniques at the end of other hymns too -- e.g. the very last chord of the last stanza of O Come O Come Emmanuel. Anyone know what that technique is called?
Yes, it was a Picardy Third. Of course the congregation was not with the organ at that point.
Picardy thirds are very prevalent in Lutheran hymns. When I play them, I don't play the P.T. - I keep it minor; drives me nuts. Too schmaltzy.
Yes you are correct ...A Raised Third....Picardys should be used sparingly
can I ask...why the flag of st george is hanging from the State Trumpet? and the Virger at the START of the procession appears to be carrying a Mace...Who does it belong to?
What beautiful music to the Lord. It was a thrill for me to see Cardinal Eagan in the procession. Was that Archbishop Dolan next to him? I would love to attend Eucharist in this holy place!
Three mace and no virgers?? why did the procession halt in the nave?
Hi livzdave... your video is magnificent... thanks for sharing it... how much chip memory was necessary to hold this video in your canon s5...
maybe the stop during the processional was intended?? it was a rededication...so maybe they were incensing the alter and there would be a prayer....after that, the music would start up again and the processional would continue?? just a thought...
@philomela100
There is a new associate organist, who I replaced Tim Brumfield. Very likely
the salary was cut at that time. You may know that the music salaries at
the Cathedral were always well below the ones offered at St. Thomas' or
St. Bartholomew's.
Did you take that picture at the beginning? It's a great picture of the State Trumpets.
The St. Pat's organ really isn't all that spectacular. It's not a BAD organ, it's just not special in any way apart from its size. It looks much better than it sounds and it can be difficult to sing with. It lacks the depth of tone that you find in this gorgeous organ. I have to say, this one and the one at St. Thomas (in need of just as much work as this one was) are pretty close rivals for my top spot in NYC.
@pulvaris or are the vergers just carrying their virges the wrong way round?
The procession is backwards. The order of precedence dictates that the Presiding Bishop should be the last to enter with hierarchy ranking up from the back not down from the front. Unusal organisation for a procession i would say.
a little dark , this gothic church needs more windows lik those from germany, e.g. Cologne.
Yeah understood, it's the largest cathderal as far as volume in the world the accoustics are amazing
I'm slightly baffled as to why the procession appears to be back to front with the Primate and Diocesan Bishop at the front... and I don't really understand the replication of symbol with multiple processional crosses... what is this supposed to mean?
Fabulous building though and a place I'd live to visit.
What is the name of the Hymn that is being sung? Beautiful!
O God of every nation
There should always be one for cross/lights and/or choir and then as many as needed for clergy. Deans/Bishops will usually get their own one as well-you can, in a big service, end up with 6 or so divided into the procession...
The title itself comes from what he is carrying - a 'verge' from Latin 'virge'. It originates from Medieval times when clergymen would be preceded by a man with a rod who would if necessary use it to protect said clergymen. Also a tool to use against unruly choristers :p
@livzdave oh..well i heard it was. i have never bin there so i dont know what its like. sorry if i affended you
@etbuk No worries, your English is great!
what a rude coment! its a Episcopal Cathdral !
I see the late Cardinal Egan attended
It doesn't take that long. Certainly not long enough for the whole procession to stop for over a minute. Hopefully they cranked the music back up to reduce the awkwardness of that moment
@Kyousuke687 I know that feeling. Nevertheless, consider yourself lucky. I'd have to "commute" all the way from Boston.
First of all NO CHURCH of CHRIST is DEMONIC weather it be Episcopal, Anglican, Orthodox and or Roman Catholic. We all worship the same GOD just in our own unique ways... -_-
diz1downepinoy at
Is someone really playing those pipes 😯 how old is the building?
yes of course. It is built in 1892