It's All Gone WROGN - AGAIN!!!
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[Apologies for the length of this video. It is always difficult to judge just how hard 5* puzzles might prove to be!]
In December 2020, Simon attempted a puzzle called Everything Is Wrogn by DiMono... a puzzle in which all the usual rules of sudoku were broken... Today Simon attempts the sequel. And, yes, rest assured, everything is still absolutely WROGN with this one! This is a brilliant and brutal sudoku so do allow yourself plenty of time if you want to get it finished :)
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Normal Sudoku rules apply (yay!). Digits along a purple or red “renban” line MUST ALL repeat, and MAY NOT be chosen from consecutive digits (i.e. 445577 is valid but 445566 is not). Digits along a grey palindrome line MUST NOT read the same in both directions. Digits along a thermometer MUST NOT increase from the bulb end. Digits along the negative diagonal (marked in blue) MUST ALL repeat. Diagonals indicated by arrows outside the grid MUST NOT sum to the indicated value. Clues outside the grid MUST NOT be valid X-Sum or Skyscraper clues, as defined below. In a valid X-Sum clue, the first X digits seen by the clue, where X is the first seen digit, sum to the number in the clue (i.e. 382xxxxxx would be a 13 clue). In a valid Skyscraper clue, consider the digits as heights of buildings, where taller buildings hide smaller buildings behind them. The clue outside the grid indicates how many buildings can be "seen" from the clue (i.e. 462187593 would be a 4 from the left (4 → 6 → 8 → 9) and a 2 from the right (3 → 9).
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Two hours! I feel bad now for telling you I thought the 5 star rating was overstated. Thank you so much for covering this puzzle, it's one of my favourites that I've made and I am so happy that it has now found a place on the channel. It is always a pleasure to see my puzzles featured here.
Also, I can confirm that your solution is correct. I don't know whether I was aware that the CTC web app checked negative diagonals before, but I am now!
I am curious as to what the solve path and logical thinking/steps would be if someone wanted to solve this in 45 minutes, as you suggested to Simon in the email you sent him which he referred to in the intro.
You stated in the rules, that the lets call them antirenband lines they my not be chosen from a set of consecutive digits. But in 7 of them in the "correct" solution they are.
Myself, I solved it in just below 54 minutes (can't get an exact time because the negative diagonal check prevents the timer from stopping ^^').
I might have used quite a lot of colours equivalent of Goodliffing, though. Still, the solving path was mostly clear, especially since it's often pretty clear when a given clue is usable or not (e.g. the little killer clues are pretty much usable only when all but one part of the sum is revealed).
Good puzzle, anyway. ^^
@@MusikCassette For two digits to be consecutive, they must be different. If a line has three of the same digit, then since there is no second different digit to be compared with the digit that is repeated, it does not contain consecutive digits.
@@DiMono A set with only one digit is always a set of consecutive digits. so is a set with no digits.
By now Simon must have realised the longer the video the more we want to watch it
I love wrogn videos already, but one that's two hours long? That's cause for rearranging my schedule.
I love the long solves. Thanks Simon and DiMono 🍿🍺
Looking forward to the 24hr Sudoku Marathon!
ABSOLUTELY!!! Love this Wrogn video series. Its my favorite apart from the chess themed puzzles. Those i hold Dear to my heart n always will. But these wrogn puzzles r brilliantly crafted. I wonder wat the setters think of wen doing these particular puzzles. Do they try n go for length? Color coding? Etc. List goes on.
How do they even go about setting a puzzle like the wrogn series?
I havent checked the length of the others. But i think this is the longest in terms of time taken.
I wonder if i can go n find the puzzles n just have them downloaded to my phone n jus pull them up wenever im bored. I would love to watch the wrogn series straight thru n then go off to the 2+ videos with the reg ruleset.
I think replacing the red and orange flashes with distinct colors would have helped tremendously, for example, resolving r5c1 based on r5c5 and r5c8 forming a light-red/dark-orange pair, which is very hard to see with 4 colors in the boxes.
Thought it was very weird he confused himself for no reason.
I agree, it's a bit nerve wrecking to see him giving a cell two colours with two different flashes knowing he will forget what the flashes mean.
I had the same thought. Why is he mixing two times two colors instead of just using four colors.
He already had the letter system going, and it would fix this without the awkwardness of running out of colours or worrying about various conflicting colourblindness traits. The main reason colours are even a focus is that the software didn't support letters at first. The letters support the usual notations you'd use with numbers, you just don't know which label is which number yet. Colours got multicolour support, which partially fixes the notation, but it's still not on par and still acts differently from numbers for what it does support.
It's nice seeing a coloured grid and all, but the letters are the simple solution to labelling the puzzle with something other than numbers when you don't know which numbers to use yet. Of course colours would still be nice when you want to overlay multiple labelling schemes and don't want confusion from having two different sets of letters present.
Simon could’ve simplified it slightly, by switch the light/dark on the reds, then at least (I’m only an hour in) the cells he’s highlighted so far would’ve been Red/Green light or REdGreen dark.
I was already in bed when I found out it was a two hour video. Went back downstairs and I’m literally making popcorn at this moment. 😁
Right there with you, I made pizza!
At 2:05:54 "have I made a mistake?" On April 1st I'd like to see Simon get to within an inch of completing a two hour puzzle then clearing the whole grid and say he's going to start again.
need to fake a "phone call break" and in the swap bring up a new board that's nearly completed. then another "break" to swap back to the actual almost completed grid before finishing the solve
@@hollowkatt4821 Or, after laboring for some time with the end in sight, take a quick phone break, and end the video...
I like how he chose to use 4 colors in pairs to represent 4 numbers, instead of just using the 4 colors to represent 4 numbers
Yes, it made the film an hour longer...
Because Simon refuses to use light grey for whatever reason
@@ananas_anna he has trouble seeing it against the white of a non-coloured square. At least thats what he said before the new glasses :P
Simon's unwise colour choices made the colouring phase much more difficult than it needed to be. But I find it silly that the software doesn't make more colours available. It's not as if there aren't any more colours in the universe. The greys are not terribly useful. Light and dark shades of green, blue, purple, red, etc. would all be possible.
@@robert-skibelo True. I am betting the line of thinking when it was made was just "9 numbers means 9 colors. So lets just pick 9 that are most distinct from each other"
Then Simon uses them in weird ways and Sphen just cries. Probably. Thats just my headcannon
Doing a wrogn puzzle as soon as you get new glasses is like entering NASCAR as soon as you get your driver’s license
At 55:00, your method of coloring really broke down in this puzzle. You had a dark-orange, light-red pair in row 5. But then you forgot what that was, and later thought it could be any red or orange. That pair sees A; and combined with the dark-red and light-orange in column 5, means that A can't be red or orange. Therefore A is yellow. That pair should also have disambiguated the original orange pair in column 1.
Simon should use letter flashes (like Y and Z) instead of color flashes to help him with that kind of stuff because it frees up the grey colors to be used once he desambiguate dominos.
Easier than that he kept saying that the 1 clues must all have different colours (7 colours) and that rules out both yellows options from box 3 meaning that A is yellow which would solve everything.
@@ArmarK1ng11
That would be backwards logically. He had to prove that all the 1s were pointing to different colors, he couldn't assume it.
I thought it would be much easier to laber letters instead of colours
Also around that time, looking at the black, could've get way more colors faster. But I enjoy the process of thinking about different scenarios
Simon, for near an hour: what will disambiguate this? Me, banging pots and having to watch this in multiple sittings: resetting the labeling of reds and oranges to red, orange, white, and grey as separate colors!!!! (Sven I’m gonna need an intervention) 😂
Could you even say... an intersvention??
Simon, the reason the wrogn videos are so popular is two fold. One, they tend to be longer, and I think I speak for everyone when I say that unless I am going to try it myself, longer is better. Two, your reactions to wrogn puzzles are hilarious.
U hit the nail on the head brother!!! 😋😛😜🤪😝
2 more reasons: one, all wrogn puzzles yet are just hilarious and two, people like to see Simon (actually any youtuber) struggling :) sorry Simon, we are naughty
You've missed the irony that DiMono's time estimate was also (deliberately) WROGN 🤣
haha that is very funny!
If he hadn't done the light/dark shading on red and orange, but just gave them their own color, he would've realized that r5c5 and r5c8 were a pair in row 5 (ie dark orange/light red pair) putting light orange in r5c1. Then he could've finished all the coloring about 30 minutes earlier.
If Simon had kept going with letters instead of replacing letters with colors he could have pencil marked cells with multiple possibilities instead of using bizarre flash combos.
Simon trying to figure out what colour a cell can be and the cell be like "I could be brown, I could be blue, I could be violet sky, I could be hurtful, I could be purple I could be anything you like." :D
I feel like the ending with the software saying “something doesn’t look right” was intentional on the part of the setter because it keeps with the “everything is wrogn” theme. That’s genius if that was intentional. Also gives the solver a nice mini heart attack at the end when their “45 minutes” of hard work was seemingly all for nothing. Brilliant.
.. and Simon joined in the theme too by using completely wrogn colouring scheme!
More colors are needed in the software so Simon doesn't have to use flashes for some pairs of digits with no relation between them
I propose adding purple so Simon may call it pink
I feel like he could shave off 15 mins by just colouring normally without the flashes.
@@Draddar the issue with that is how he indicates "one of these 2 cells is red". he does that with a light grey flash usually. more colors means he can still do that but also can make things more clear.
Forget the colours and use letters a lot easier to see
@@tegxi He'd already reached a point where he could have detangled that before he realised he'd spent 40 minutes on the puzzle already.
With orange, red and 2 grays, Simon is using four colours for four values in a needlessly complex way. If he mapped (for example) orange + dark -> red, orange + light -> orange and red + [foo] -> [foo], it would be much simpler.
Me: *notices something and is waiting for 5-10 minutes for Simon to notice it
Also me: *would never have gotten to the point where I noticed it without Simon nor has any idea how to proceed beyond the discovery
This is me on basically every CtC video. I hope Simon doesn't feel too bad about the comments on every video where people point out what he has missed, because he is an absolute genius.
10:30
Simon : so, do have a go, the way is to click the link under the video as usual...
Me : *sees the rules, video duration, and the grid*
"Nah, mate, you got this"
That's exactly why I gave it a go. The longer the video, the better it feels when you manage to solve it. There's no shame in giving up, but if you just try, you might end up surprising yourself.
I have solved it. But didnt expect to do. But I spent a lot of time - more than 5 hours )))
Even without any error
I think the color scheme caused Simon to miss the fact that he had a light-red/dark-orange pair in row 5 for a while, which would have resolved the light-orange in r5c1
Rules: 04:35
Let's Get Cracking: 11:25
What about this video's Top Tier Simarkisms?!
Bobbins: 2x (11:30, 31:38)
Cooking with Gas: 1x (23:04)
And how about this video's Simarkisms?!
Ah: 19x (06:51, 23:43, 23:46, 32:52, 34:59, 36:56, 46:23, 49:00, 52:31, 1:32:05, 1:34:05, 1:46:47, 1:46:50, 1:53:05, 1:53:16, 1:56:38, 1:57:46, 2:02:24, 2:02:26)
Hang On: 11x (08:57, 14:13, 24:20, 24:20, 41:41, 41:45, 49:38, 1:00:16, 1:27:15, 1:27:17, 1:55:18)
Pencil Mark/mark: 11x (19:35, 38:34, 46:21, 47:53, 1:31:44, 1:33:25, 1:35:32, 1:37:36, 1:40:03, 1:43:42, 1:44:20)
Clever: 8x (58:49, 1:01:00, 1:01:00, 1:12:50, 1:14:31, 1:56:40, 2:06:27, 2:07:01)
By Sudoku: 7x (33:33, 45:57, 1:09:47, 1:14:49, 1:37:14, 1:40:23, 1:41:31)
In Fact: 7x (12:28, 26:16, 1:27:46, 1:29:26, 1:32:16, 1:37:27, 1:54:35)
Wrogn: 7x (00:19, 00:27, 00:41, 00:56, 04:30, 08:29, 2:05:37)
What on Earth: 5x (27:50, 40:27, 1:08:24, 1:21:36, 1:26:29)
Useless: 5x (06:02, 06:05, 07:09, 15:00, 15:03)
Lovely: 5x (03:24, 1:12:58, 1:12:58, 1:14:17, 1:14:20)
Shouting: 5x (02:31, 03:43, 04:05, 1:31:04, 1:31:07)
Good Grief: 4x (47:09, 1:00:16, 1:43:24, 1:59:38)
Sorry: 4x (03:05, 42:51, 1:12:22, 1:53:28)
Nonsense: 4x (48:40, 48:45, 1:05:04, 2:02:46)
Brilliant: 4x (03:10, 11:14, 12:57, 2:07:55)
Progress: 4x (30:43, 1:21:40, 1:36:02, 2:02:59)
First Digit: 3x (08:03, 13:35, 13:36)
Nature: 3x (40:54, 1:04:44, 1:37:18)
Incredible: 2x (00:36, 02:02)
Deadly Pattern: 2x (1:42:30, 1:44:04)
Obviously: 2x (04:14, 15:29)
Wow: 2x (1:12:19, 1:13:36)
What Does This Mean?: 2x (1:30:02, 1:38:52)
That's Huge: 2x (1:40:00, 2:02:29)
Cake!: 2x (03:12, 04:18)
Goodness: 1x (1:22:34)
What a Puzzle: 1x (2:06:47)
Bother: 1x (1:00:46)
Naughty: 1x (56:58)
I Have no Clue: 1x (1:41:48)
Stuck: 1x (2:08:04)
Beautiful: 1x (41:58)
Hypothecate: 1x (1:48:29)
Disconcerting: 1x (1:08:31)
Whoopsie: 1x (49:48)
We Can Do Better Than That: 1x (1:54:57)
Plonk: 1x (1:20:07)
Phone is Going Nuts: 1x (1:19:25)
Have a Think: 1x (31:04)
Symmetry: 1x (32:44)
Most popular number(>9), digit and colour this video:
Ten (7 mentions)
One (66 mentions)
Orange (179 mentions)
Antithesis Battles:
High (3) - Low (2)
Even (13) - Odd (0)
Higher (4) - Lower (3)
Outside (11) - Inside (0)
Black (49) - White (2)
Row (11) - Column (10)
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'ah' is actually a top-tier way to navigate a video
The amount of time Simon would have saved if he hadn't used flashes is immeasurable.
Just heard the rules... This needs a setter video too for sure... Really want to understand what Di Mono was even thinking ( apart from wanting to torture Simon!)...thankfully normal sudoku rules apply - really YaY!
There is a DiMono setter video on the channel regarding his Taco Bowl 3 a while back!
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Simon's exasperation with the paucity of information given by wrogn clues never fails to be hilarious. And a feature-length solve, too! This is going to be delightful.
Watching Simon's own color markings confuse him and cause him to miss a dark-orange, light-red pair in row 5 for an hour infuriated me to no end.
Myself, I would not persist in something that infuriated me for an hour. I would just turn it off. (I did not turn it off, I enjoyed it all very much.)
Noticed that as well. I think this made the video longer by at least 30 minutes
Just came down to check when he sees it. .,.
I think using letters instead of colours is much more easier for pencil marks and seeing pairs.
Svens sudoku pad software really is marvolous, when i got to the end and it went "nope try again" i had a minor panic attack. what a wonderful puzzle (took me nearly 3 hours!)
Simon would’ve definitely colored the grid faster if the reds and oranges didn’t have light and dark. Instead of having all four colors in a box he would’ve only had two
Can we all just marvel at Simon not making a single typo/mistake in over 2 hours? Wow
Man, Simon really gave himself a lot more work by not identify the orange domino in column 1 order based on row 5 needing to have a dark orange. Unfortunate, but knew it would happen when he made a cell the same color scheme that could be any flavor of red/orange.
That was stupendous. Great setting DiMono, and what a marathon of an effort Simon, brilliant solving! So many clever little moments throughout, love wrogn puzzles!
simon, 1 hour and 4 minutes into the video, not having thought for a single moment about numerical digits: "i know how this puzzle is going to end!"
a remarkable man you are
This is truly mental. And it's just fantastic that each stage of the game requires so much thinking and forethought. Just the fact that you had dark red labeled as X, Y, G, and coloured indicates how much work was put into the setting.
Bravo to both of you
Sometimes i think that some puzzles are created deliberately to screw with Simon's pencil marking
Is it only me who spotted Simons slight frustration coming through at 1:34:44? When he said "I've got F in one of these" 😂
Keeping 2 different reds for so long made this way more complicated then it needed to be.
Red should have been split into red and orange, and then the 2 original oranges could be light grey and dark grey.
In keeping with DiMono's theme,
I'm making things not what they seem.
So in this limrick
I'll use a cute trick
And end with a rhyme that is wrogn.
You have to read it twice, because two wrogns make a rhyme.
53:26 "by the power of a-ness" is the best thing i think i have heard in a long while
It is so nice to have a community where people are nice to each other.
One where people don't berate a man for doing something in a more difficult way on a point that they never could have reached themselves.
I decided to use letters from the outset, because it was clear I'd need more than nine. That helped a lot, because you can pencil-mark letters much more effectively than colours. Colours only work well until you need to mark cells as being one of two or three different colours, as you discovered. The problem is compounded when you also have flashed colours. Your problem marking the diagonal in box 5 just didn't arise for me. I just had what Mark would call a chocolate teapot triple of letters. I was able to completely fill the grid with single letters without too much trouble (apart from the same deadly pattern you found) Your use of "any orange or red" was the problem, because that really wasn't the case. E.g. each of the cells on the diagonal in box 5 had only two options, and once you try to place them in other boxes, you can resolve them.
To resolve the digits, only two letters could be 19s. Once they were resolved by the 2 clue at the bottom, I had two digits which could be 8, but if R5C7 was 8, it would make the skyscraper true, so the other letter was 8. 2s were next, then the thermos and the little killers placed enough restrictions to disambiguate the rest. I did have a moment of panic at the end. I have my app set up like Mark, where it pops up the congratulations as soon as you finish it. It didn't appear! After checking I'd not missed a digit, I clicked tick and got the red stripe.
You correctly identified that the large renban couldn't include purple, so why did you not immediately put purple in the only remaining cell in box 7? You could then ask where the # colours go in R9 and C1. The cells in R4C1 and R9C6 see three of the # colours in the box, so they had to be the fourth. The remainder of the column/row was a triple of the # colours in boxes 4/8 respectively.
You're asking what D can be. Well, you can place it in box 1. It's not purple, green, blue, black or F, so it has to go in R2C2.
1:34:42 - I know you're getting frustrated, but there's really no need for that sort of language - "I've got effin' one of these, and I've got effin' one of these" 😜
You placed F, which is definitely not X, in box 6, and in true Simon fashion failed to tidy up your pencil-marks, thereby missing that X is now placed in the box (and therefore also in box 5, box 2, box 3, and box 9, and therefore not in loads of cells where you thought it might be, allowing you to colour other cells.
I really think your use of colour, instead of letters was your undoing in this. Using letters was so much more like regular sudoku (what am I thinking? How is that going to help you?) To be fair, considering how badly you were hampered by your use of colour, you did remarkably well. It's a shame you missed some of the nice logic that using letters revealed. Watching teeth being pulled is not my idea of fun.
This didn't have the humour that was in the original, but it did have lots of nice logic, and kept me gripped throughout.
Yaaaaay, a wrogn puzzle🥳. I love these 🥰 even if I will never be able to solve one 🙈.
Spent hours on this today, restarting it twice! Finally, finally got it! What a masterpiece.
hi Simon! just thought it would be funny to let you know that I accidentally trained myself, Pavlov Dog style, to only be able to fall asleep listening to one of your sudoku solves. after a month of watching your solves before bed, my brain now refuses to allow me to sleep without them. this was a beautiful solve, an incredibly hard puzzle but wonderful. I can finally go to sleep now, hahaha
OH MY! 2 hours haha ! Hope you had a good time solving it 😜
This is easily, easily one of the best puzzles I've ever seen. It takes the fun and chaos of a 'wrogn' rule set but the construction and logic required to solve it are pure elegance, it's insanely complex - by far the most intricate combination of colouring and lettering I've ever seen Simon use - and it really doesn't crack or collapse until literally the very last moment with that (spoiler alert) non-consecutive restraint on the final pair. I love CTC and I welcome the feature-length solves but this held my attention for a solid two hours without the temptation to skip ahead at any point, I know some people don't like lengthy rules but for me, this was literally breathtaking.
Agreed, this is one of the best puzzles I’ve ever seen that I’ve actually been able to solve myself - the inversion of the standard logic on each of the elements is really clever because in effect the rule set it leaves you with is no harder than you had to start with but because you’re so familiar with applying thermos, little killers, skyscraper etc in a certain way you have to actively work against your own brain’s assumptions all the time, creating more difficulty. Glorious stuff.
48:13 It's hard to see because Simon continued using flashed colors instead of fully switching to labels when the colors ran out, but at this point he's actually shown at various points that r5c5/8 each must either be orange-dark or red-light, which makes a pair and tells you the order of the oranges in box 4...
Yes, the next hour was a bit of a waste of time from that point...
He didn't run out of colors. He used orange/red/lt gray/dk gray to mark four cells, with two colors flashed by two other colors. He could've just made two of them orange/red and the other two lt gray/dk gray and not had any flashes.
@@jwolfe01234 To be fair, the Light Gray is basically invisible by itself, it only has value as part of a flash. But yeah, he still shouldn't have had two flash digits, and instead should have made Dark Gray it's own thing.
please like the comment so that Simon uses the alphabet for the next "coloring" puzzle. No more grey flash in lieu of corner marks, no more running out of colors, the actual ability to spot naked singles, among other things.
Yikes this one took me 42:40! I started by putting 9 colors in box 7 and then trying to figure out where they go and it was not that difficult! After that you get the 1-9 and then the 8 the 2 and its just beautiful how you finish off after that with each clues giving you one digit! Great puzzle!
1:01:38 finish. Absolutely loved this puzzle, so colorful!
Returning to sudoku after a ten day vacation (a.k.a. Hurricane Ian), now that I finally have power back. I really needed to get back in the swing of things, after more than a week of searching daily for someone selling ice, rationing my gasoline and propane, hoping that my wife doesn't kill my kids and my kids don't kill each other, telling the dog and cat that they can't lay on us because it's too hot. Thank you for being here waiting for me!
Only Simon could take 4 distinct colours (red, orange, light grey, dark grey) and use them to create 4 new, ambiguous, confusing colours! Never change Simon!
I BEAT SIMON FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE! I've noticed that I find the most success (relative to Simon) when the rules require you to think more with the rules than with sudoku logic because Simon is MUCH better at sudoku logic than I am and my best puzzle solving skill is adapting to new rules. Wrogn puzzles are very heavily on the side of playing the rules so this worked well for me. Now I'm watching through your solve and absolutely loving it. Great video.
where is the inspiring sand dude? i wanna know how many times he said bobbins xD
Ah! Everything is Wrogn is one of my favorite videos! I’m so excited to see how this one comes together in the end! From the length of the video I’m in for a treat!
This is an incredibly satisfying puzzle to see solved. But I find it fascinating how much the solution stayed in the abstract realm of coloring and labeling given the Rube Goldberg-esque momentum the original WROGN puzzle created, guiding your solve physically around the grid from one clue's dastardly path into the next!
I was incredibly lucky at the start, finding the correct cells on the big Renban to track all the colouring around and had the colours down relatively soon. Solved most of it in an hour or so, but then got stuck staring at the screen for about 30 minutes before I gave up and watched your video. I had reduced the puzzle to two possible outcomes, but could not figure it out which it was. At 1:55:55 you mentioned the non-renbannyness and then I knew which version of the two was correct. Couldn't have done it without you, as so many times before where I had to skip to about 80% of your videos to help me solve. Thank you for this super long video ^^
I admit that I have a special spot in my heart for wrogn puzzles. This one made me giggle as usual, so thank you
Took me 2 days to find the time to watch this. Well worth the wait. This is the sort of puzzle you take on holidays and hope after 2 weeks you can find some sort of deduction that may allow you to solve the puzzle in 6 months. For me at least, assuming I ever got anywhere.
I'm very pleased that I was able to solve this puzzle
When i see the length of a video on CTC i usually plan 1.5 to 2x the time to try solve it.. I think its the first time ever that i managed to take half of the time to do it. It took me 50 minutes, and now i realize how much i've grown since i discovered this wonderfull channel! A year ago i was barely able to do a GAS sudoku. Every day, every puzzle is a blast. Thank you so much for everything, i love my morning sudokus and video with my coffee!
Managed to complete this in 1hr 43. Completely coloured the grid first with the exception of an x wing R7C6, R8C6 and R7C9, R8C9 which got resolved by some of the logic when putting numbers in. Loved the logic that worked out which numbers were which colours, that was incredible. Going for a lie down now.
Love these Wrogn puzzles. Especially the ones with the crazy coloring.
These epic movie-length solves are always a joy to watch. As much as it's quite entertaining to see Simon colouring the whole grid, I find it can get very cluttered and make it harder to keep track of what's going where. Something that might have helped in this solve, would be switching the colours to letters after you got all 9 of a colour or letter thereby freeing up colours to help disambiguate/keep track of the red and orange options without needing the grey flashes.
Simon has created a beautiful quilt
"And I was then wondering if I could do the ones trick that I think is going to be involved in the break-in here."
I understand completely what Simon meant - he meant the break-in as far as putting *numbers* in the grid. But I just apprecite the irony (AND the beauty!) of the fact Simon is talking about the "break-in" at 1:16:30, over seventy-six minutes into the video.
Great solve Simon! I didn't even try it and I don't think I will. That was actually painful to contemplate. That you stuck it out and got the solution is amazing. I'm reasonably sure you are correct since it only highlighted the diagonal.
This is why I love CTC.These videos keep me engaged while I can also use it to fall asleep when I need to take a nap. I ended up dreaming in-depth about Simon giving me and a class valuable Sudoku lessons. Most of the class was asleep but I was one of the few who were taking it seriously :D
Went down the coloring route as well at first as well, but thankfully realized that the letter tool is much better. Helps eliminate options much more easily than with colors.
2 hours of chromatic joy with a bit of shouting at my iPad. The not-4 skyscraper and the top renban were genius. Well done Simon.
Totally worth the 2hour watch. Great solve and faster than Mark even with the ambiguous colouring.
Left in awe of how this has been set to unravel so carefully all the way to the finish line. Top class!
Simon, I was willing you on to solve the puzzle. What a marathon! Congratulations on the solve, and thank you DiMono for the puzzle. The logic in it was sublime. You deserve several gins and tonic for that solve. Well done!
I've been binging CTC videos for a few weeks now, and Wrogn puzzles and colouring puzzles are usually my favorites, but trying to follow this broke my brain!
47:00 for me. The secret is to use letters, not colors (you can complete box 7 with letters and deduce everything using these letters (with sudoku, renbans repeat rule, anti-palyndrom and diagonal repeat rule), except for an HI X-wing). Once the grid is letter-completed (up to the x-wing), use the remaining hints to see which letter can be which number (1 and 9 are easy thanks to 1-hints, and then it is a game of elimination).
Great job anyway, always a pleasure to see your solves, thanks for the videos! And thank you for the quality puzzle too!
Great puzzle if one likes coloring. (I also used the colored circles and crosses from the pen tool, in addition to the fill colors.)
After 130 minutes I had the whole grid colored (except for a green/light-gray (orange-orange in Simon's colors) x-wing in boxes 8 and 9) (without a single pencil mark), then at 175 minutes I was done filling in the digits.
(Unfortunately the check function doesn't know that this is a wrogn-puzzle, and complains about the duplicated digits on the diagonal.)
At the end I was stuck for a few minutes with only red and black 5-6 pairs left, and (seemingly) all clues used up. I had to carefully re-read the rules to spot the one clue I actually didn't use yet.
(I'll watch Simon solve it later.)
Managed to do it in 1 hour 43 mins! I checked after solving and got confused, as I was able to solve all the colors except a deadly pattern before going into numbers, so that confusion may have led to a difference in time. This is a super cool puzzle, finding out that you can color almost each box in box 7 uniquely is so important, and then solving for colors, working across the puzzle to the other renbans, using color pairs to rule out of the renbans, and then being able to do numbers off the constraints, ruling out numbers via the thermos, x sums, and skyscrapers but mostly one at a time was very cool.
Yay! I have a big glass of milk, a full bag of Oreos and a two hour Simon video to get me through the hurricane! Awesome!
Poor you. Hope you're safe and warm, and there's not too much damage around.
Yay! I managed to solve it! and I'm quite pleased with my time of 77 mins.
Haven't checked Simons whole solve but judging by how he ended it it seems like he used the same coloring tactic I did (grouping the two reds and the two oranges together to later separate them with a secondary color.)
Thank gods, i ditched colors early in the solve and used letters instead. After that i lettered the grid starting with bottom left conner. Only one "deadly pattern" was left in r78c69. Then i colored the letters and started to shave off the options for them. After several restarts to get lettering consistent i took me one extra hour to actually solve the puzzle. What a fun day it was!
LOL all your yellows belong to us, Thank you for the early meme laugh. It was needed!!!
I loved how Simon actually disambiguated the reds pretty early in box 8, but just didn't notice and kept using flashes for no reason.
1 hour in, "and that would give us a way into the puzzle". And I'm fully invested in the journey.
Finished, and I think it might be my favorite so far. I'm seeing sudoku more intuitively now, seeing it being reasoned out without some of the shorthand the pencil marking often speeds over. Also the layers of colors and letters, it's hard to put in words, just solidified things into clicking better I think. Also got 2 new ideas for sudokus to set, if only I was better at that...
A 2 hour weigh puzzle? Right! Clear my morning! Thank you! I love these, Demono.... Thank you!
15:35 Worthy of note, this is where it becomes clear how important it is that the rules say "not chosen from consecutive digits" and not "chosen from non-consecutive digits"
Is a digit consecutive with itself? I don't think so. A digit _is_ itself. It's good that the rules are worded so there's no confusion on that point (though the requirement to repeat digits makes it obvious that repeating digits is okay), but I guess I don't really understand what the difference between those two wordings is.
(I'm suddenly remembering to a debate I've heard over whether 1 counts as a prime number. "A prime number's only factors are 1 and itself" which you can argue either way for 1, but I'm pretty sure by current definition, 1 is not considered prime, because it doesn't have 2 different factors. 1 _is_ itself, so you can't claim it has factors of both 1 _and_ itself.)
IMPRESSIVE! I enjoy seeing you ruminating.
Even Sven's software was wrogn at the end! What a beautiful puzzle and a very entertaining solve as always.
53:23
"That has to be yellow by the power of A -ness"
I died. I love when Simon says things like that and doesn't realize.
About Simon's solve: I think you really didn't do yourself a favor with the "two kinds of red and orange". Just pick two different colors for each of them (which unfortunately means using all of the 9 colors), and mark the unclear cells with both until you can disambiguate them. Or mark them with different letters. But marking cells which could have two options with four colors really doesn't help.
(I did start coloring from the middle box, not from the # + L, which had one of the red lines with two options for quite a while. But that's fine if you can mark that they are the same in some way - I used colored circles. I still used more time than you, so don't feel too bad.)
This honestly wasn't that bad at all. I assigned letters, and using all of the renban, palindrome and diagonal constraints I was able to resolve the letters completely except for an x-wing on rows 7 and 8, columns 6 and 9, and those weren't resolved until I whittled down the possible values using the numerical clues. Took me about an hour... beautiful and logic-rich puzzle to be sure.
1:41:38 "All your yellows are belong to us" ❤️ Nicely done, Simon, I love that you're also a gamer 😂
lol, I heard that and paused the video to find a comment about it
I will always be confused why instead of using 9 unique colours for 9 unique digits, Simon decided to have orange and red each be for two digits and then use flashing to differentiate between them. Instead of Red-Dark, Red-Light, Orange-Dark, Orange-Light, just do Red, Orange, Dark, Light. Then you could colour cells with multiple colours that means it’s one of those colours. It makes seeing what reduces way easier.
You deserve that GT Simon! I was so confident I could beat your time, but in the end, I had to keep track on paper, using pencil and eliminating digits from letters (I stuck with the letters, not the colours).
I found letters to be superior to colours, because they eliminate the "red or orange with some flash" problem. Also, when I print a puzzle (which I do more and more frequently), colours are impractical. Hard to remove once put on paper.
Simon, when I saw that this video 1) had a wrogn puzzle featured; 2) that puzzle was by TheDiMono; and 3) was over two (2) hours (hours) long, I laughed at the invitation to give it a go by clicking the link underneath the video. No way am I going to click that link - but I am very glad that you did and provided such a fascinating trip through the logic necessary to find a solution. Along the way you used such lovely vocabulary, bringing the multifaceted pleasure I have come to associate with CTC. Chicanery is right up there with "bamboozled" as one of my new favorite words, and surfeit and quorate are great ones, too. Thanks so much for recording this.
This puzzle was the first one that really pulled me in from the beginning, pulled an all-nighter and solved it in 3h36m. Every second of it was aha moment after aha moment. I've never had a puzzle make me feel better about my solving ability than this one. I think I'm going to start doing more of these, really fun puzzle!
I have a suggestion for coloring that I think would have made it much easier to follow. Instead of coloring two digits red (and orange) and then flashing them light red and dark red, start by coloring one of the digits red and the other dark gray ( and orange and then light gray). Then the other red digits become flashed red and dark gray (or orange with light gray). This makes each digit have a unique color. The advantage really comes when you are trying to put your light orange and dark red into a single cell. Now since one of the the cells is either red or dark gray and the other either orange or light gray, you only have two colors in the cell. I did it that way and was able to make a few of the deductions you made quite a bit later mache easier. It also makes the final coloring a lot easier to read.
The basic of the suggestion is when you have a two cell repeat pattern, and you can’t initially differentiate, instead of choosing one color and flashing, choose two colors in one pair of the pattern and use them together in the second and subsequent occurrences.
Enjoyed the video.
This one was amazing! Took me 61 minutes, but involved a 5 minute segment of heavy "guess and check" roughly mapped to Simon's 1 hour mark which ended up solving my color-grid pretty quickly. Needed a notepad to keep track of color-number rules, too, but ultimately felt super satisfying to solve! A lot of really clever logic sneaking in here!
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Holy crap I somehow managed to finish this puzzle! I don't even usually try the difficult ones, so I'm quite proud of myself. It took two and half hours, but I'll take it. Very fun puzzle! I'm still in a bit of shock. 😂 Time to watch Simon do it next ...
This was a tough puzzle but I made it harder on myself by at first not reading the directions correctly. I thought NONE of the numbers on the lines could be consecutive, which would have meant the 10-length line would have been all odd digits. And the puzzle kept breaking down for me. I think read the directions correctly and sighed that I'd wasted 30 minutes. Then I wrongly assumed the negative diagonal had 3 repeating digits on it. I hadn't accounted for the possibility that one repeats 3 times and then other others repeat just twice. From there the solve went a bit easier. Very tough puzzle.
I want to see Simon solve a full grid killer sudoku, Wrogn style. Meaning every cage clue is wrong. I think it would be interesting. And by full grid killer, I mean no cell is uncaged.
Brilliant puzzle, all the logic flowed beautifully. Also nice to need to use all 9 colours!
Somehow managed in 50 minutes, which considering I've failed the last few shorter puzzles I'm very pleased with!
Simon's colouring unfortunately made this more complicated than it needed to be. The C1 red could be only white / gray, which could have freed red to use as the last colour with the orange.
Keep up the great videos, and amazing puzzles being produced!
Can't wait for the time to be stated in days instead of hours 😂
76 minutes, what a doozy. Absolutely incredible setting, no two ways about it.
I don't often scream at the screen, but I certainly was internally screaming 'look at the flipping f' for about half an hour!
I gave up on colors and switched to all letters solving from box 7 and working my way up and right. Made it easier to work out when I had access to both pencil mark types. After about 45 minutes I had a nearly unique fill of just the letters A-I. Took me hours to work out how to distinguish the values that matched with the letters though after that. Very nearly gave up, but a flash of insight (and realizing I had been ignoring the 2 clue in column 3) brought everything together.
Instead of using colors here, I just assumed numbers. So I could figure out all the "coloring / positioning" without getting confused with colors, but could check for normal sudoku dependencies. After that step was done (except the 2 dominos) I translated the numbers back to colors, to find out their real numbers. Awesome puzzle.. ! :)