Match Strategy Playing as a Chopper | Table Tennis | PingSkills
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In this match strategy video we cover the most important tactics to think about when you are a chopper.
1. Keep the ball low and deep
2. Use variation of spin, speed, and placement
3. Attack occasionally as a surprise
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Good luck with your table tennis.
Cheers,
Jeff Plumb and Alois Rosario - Sport
It seems as though table tennis is so attack commend oriented these days that one never see information or training on defensive play. I appreciate you putting this information out here for all to see. There are many ways to play this great game, and we need to explore all styles. Great job, guys!
Ayyyyy!
I am a CZcams addict and surprisingly, this is the channel with highest comments/response ratio!
Love the content
Thanks for your support!
This is so perfect! As a newcomer to the game, I appreciate the work you do and encourage you to keep sharing your knowledge.
Thanks Adrian!
I recently started developing a modern defense playstyle, and got long pimples on one of the sides of my bat. While the experience has been pretty good, I appreciate a lot those few videos on defender / strategy as chopper, it helps a lot!
I'm glad it helps. Keep up the good work, it certainly is an exciting style to play and watch!
I really love this channel and Alois-Jeff´s charisma and knowledge, I don´t know how a country didnt hire you to train their players yet
Thanks for your words of support.
IKR! he's so good!
This is one of your best videos i think... it really explains in short every important aspect of the defensive game, i don't think you could do better in 10 minutes ;)
Dear Alois & Jeff it is really difficult for me to stop myself from appreciating your training on Table Tennis. I keep on searching videos on TT training. The way you explain, demonstrate is superb. More over your pronunciation is so easy to understand. Thank you.
This video plus the one that talks about "footwork for defender" are full of great tips and techniques for a defender like me and others. Thanks again for sharing!
Roman Adar You're welcome. I'm glad you are finding our videos helpful.
Thanks for the video. I'm going to try this out now! Keep it up!
thank u Sirs. I had watched ur backhand chop video . By standing behind the table a bit, we can get perfect swing, speed and spin for the ball which is difficult to smash on. I have learned it and ur helped me learn it. Great idea.
So much perfection in this video
This is one of their best videos, I think. It is amazing how many tips are in one vid.
Thanks for your support!
Great lesson. Thank you. I am learning so much from you both.
You're welcome!
I agree with Alios. I also do my forhands from the backhand side
As usual another great video. I'm considering self a defender and these tips and techniques are really of great value. Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome Roman Adar. I'm glad you found the video helpful.
Very helpful advice !
I'm glad you made the point about varying the depth of the top spin against choppers. Very important especially against more accomplished defensive players. Angling the ball off the sides of the table can also be very effective. Good job guys.
Thanks olaniyi570!
Thank for the tips! I believe I have added a new shot to my arsenal! Thank you
Awesome video guys! Thanks so much for this.
You're welcome Daniel Weinbaum. I'm glad you liked it.
Your channel is awesome, I'm trying hard to beat my teammates and I've found your chain very useful. I wish there were more tutorials on how to properly use pimples though since that's what I use and I'm still having trouble receiving side spin
Are you using long pimples? They should reduce the effect of the sidespin and hence you can just push the ball back.
I am a new player,I am glad that to watch your videos.They help me a lot to catch the point of playing table tennis.
Great to hear V Kit. Good luck with your table tennis.
Thanks for the great tips.can you please suggest some blades for a modern defensive player and rubber for forehand and backhand.
excellent tutorial thank you.
As a novice club player I still need to work hard on my technique and stroke consistancy but it is very helpful to have some appreciation of strategy too. Once my shots become a little more consistant I can then start thinking about assessing my apponents play and consider some strategy about shot selection and placement .
Excellent. Keep enjoying your table tennis and I'm sure you'll keep improving.
Very instructive video, love it
Glad it was helpful!
my friends first suggested me abt. ping skills. Now i would suggest my other friends who dont know about this channel. I have liked some of ur videos and subscribed ur channel cuz. i love ur dedication and work.
Thanks for your support.
i agree with him
Good job Mr PingSkills!!
Thanks!
Love your videos
Good tips once agin. I'm going to try some of these techniques today!
Good luck. Let me know how you go.
Very interesting and important.Thank You teacher
You're welcome.
Patience is a virtue :)
Indeed yinyiyinyi!
Love your videos!
+Patrick Ward Thanks for the kind words :)
Nice video, I just explained that I am a defender. I always backspin and sometimes I try to chop, but unsuccessful. But now I know how to chop, thanks pingskills!
You're welcome. Keep up the good work and enjoy that defending!
and ur video helped me learn it.
thanks for this
Nice video. Thanks. Perhaps consider using non- white signage in the future. You can't see the ball very well when it passes in front of those signs.
Good
In Battle im usually a defender so This video really helped me :)
Great to hear. Make sure to checkout the PingSkills website for more strategy videos!
Please make a video about returning different kind of serves with long pimple!! I find that very difficult, especially the short sidetopsping serve. Great vids by the way. Regards from Argentina.
Good suggestion. Generally your long pimples should absorb most of the spin meaning you don't have to worry too much about the sidespin.
Here are some other videos you might like that we've made about using long pimples - www.pingskills.com/tutorials/long-pimples
Very interesting for choppers.
Hello Alex,
Thanks for all the great videos and very helpful tips and has helped me quite a bit. I have played tt for a 4-5 yrs but not regularly so would say am around 6/10 !
I have a question on returning a heavy underspin especially a very low serve with topspin when the ball is very low and deep. I wanted to give an insight into what the situation is and then ask the question for THAT situation.
The table we are playing is an average one. We were playing with a 3 star stiga ball with quite an even bounce (very rarely like 1 in a 50 it gets low bounce). I am using: Racket Assembly Yasaka Sweden Extra - Flared Handle, F/H: Yasaka Rakza 7 - Red 2.0, (for forehand) B/H: Yasaka Mark V - Black Max. My aim was to go with a bat which is a balanced one with good spin control. The other people are using just general racquets which are stiga entry level ones (not the worst) and have been used for a bit so are like 4/10 now.
I find that when I am using those general racquets I am fine with the game. When I use mine and the opponent is using the general ones to play it is also fine. The other day the opponent was using his personal racquet and doing underspin and deep serves. I found that if I used the general racquet to return I can do it comfortably. However when I used my personal racquet I find the ball not THAT easy to control (my fault too coz I wasn't practicing with it :( ) for that serve. So here is the situation
Situation: Deep and low underspin serve keeping very low and also bouncing low (ie 6 inches or less after SECOND bounce). When using my racquet to push it is fine. When I try to top spin or loop it is going out of the table. I was trying to USE low racquet speed (not High) to do the top spin. I believe HIGH speed is what is recommended in these cases but I just want to use low to see if I can do it rather than just powering through it. So here are my questions.
1). Is is possible to topspin for my case above with low racquet speed or do I HAVE to use high speed? I thought that since the ball already has a spin and I am merely adding to it INSTEAD of reversing it , hence low speed should have worked. Is this correct ? Please advice
2). Are the rubbers correct esp the FOREHAND one for such a low speed shot or should I have chosen something with MORE spin to it to do this ?
I am sorry for the long winded question but hope you can advise. Thanks!
The better rackets allow you to get more spin but also are harder to control when you opponent plays with spin. You do need to get used to this if you want to get better though as you cannot generate enough topspin without a good racket to be able to attack well enough to play at a high level.
A great place to ask these questions is on the PingSkills website: www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-forum
Best channel
Thanks!
Tha hle mai 👍👍
its always nice to get the ball deeper
Would you guys ever make a video on playing against a chopper/defender or attackers or all round players? Like techniques against different styles of play. Please make a video about it, I'm guessing it would also help lots of other people. Thanks in advance!
We do have a whole series of videos like that. Take a look at www.pingskills.com/table-tennis/match-strategy/ and let me know if it helps.
Hi Alois should the arm movement be bigger too for heavier spin?
Kim Song I has inspired me to check out the defender videos!
Excellent. Good luck with your defence!
+PingSkills hello I would like some advice for a slow defense rubber as the one that is using your friend in the video. currently playing with a very valid Spinlord Marder 1.2 mm, now I would like an eraser to chop but without the long pimples...thank you and sorry for my English..
Jeff is using his normal bat for chopping in the video which isn't really advisable if you are going to be a defender. We aren't really equipment experts but if you like you could ask the question on the PingSkills website using the ask the coach section and we can open it up to other readers to give their opinions.
TSP Victas Koji Matsushita is really good for chopper. Donic Spike 4 or Curl 4(Joo Sae Hyuk use) for back hand.
looks cool and can impress friends lol
Nice
Great video, Question, you talk about hitting a no spin chop. How would you do that? Thanks.
You generate spin by having a fast brushing contact. So you can get less backspin on your chops by not swinging through as fast and not brushing the ball as much on contact.
Thanks for making me better TT player and I hope I soon am as good as you
You're welcome. Keep practicing and I'm sure you'll keep improving!
Thanks for this video. I think the offensive game has been emphasized so much that defending is being lost as a style. So, we have the defensive defender, and the modern defender, but where does an all around player fit into this? They are closer to a modern defender, I would imagine.
Hi Bob Van Deusen,
Yes and at the top level there are a few choppers making an impression now.
With regards to players who do it all, often these types of players are referred to simply as all round players.
thank you for making this vid for defenders( I`am a short pimple one, like hou yingchao), but in my league i must play the ball in opponents strong side to make him even attack ;) good vids guys, keep it up ! Ps: jeff isn`t a bad chopper :D
I'm glad you liked the video. Yes sometimes if you opponents aren't that confident with the attack you do need to encourage them :)
I played bought an now im short pimples or soft whe call it
What paddle is he using? Thanks in advance
Pingskills, is there any place I can buy a relatively affordable premade bat with long pips? All I've seen are lots of inverted rubbers. I don't want to manage making my own bat but I'd really like to try out long pips. Thanks
Hmmm, sorry I don't know of any with long pips. You could ask on the ask the coach forum and we could open it up to other readers to see if they know. However if you are wanting to experiment it might make sense to get a custom made bat so you can choose a blade and then try different combinations of rubber.
Hi! Do you have any videos about how to do backhand serves for lefties? I'm currently playing doubes and have difficulty serving from the right side to the opponents right side because I am left handed and most of my spin serves are when I serve from the left side of the table. Thanks!
Hi Ryan NYG,
We have a whole series on serving for premium members on our website. The pendulum serve is a great serve for left handers in doubles because the serving position is often the same for singles and for doubles. Take a look at our website and look at the serving secrets course, and you can also see some free videos in the ask the coach section which will have some on the pendulum serve.
Once you get used to it you'll find that it's easier for left handers. If you mostly serve from the left side and then want to use that same serve, it's really a matter of adjusting the angle of your stance before you serve.
Hello! I just want to know the combination of equipment you're using and what you recommend for intermediate players? Thank you.
Take a look at this tutorial: www.pingskills.com/tutorials/choosing-equipment/choosing-a-table-tennis-bat
nice job on this video
+Ashwin Jogaratnam Thanks!
+PingSkills you welcome
It's working thnx
Great to hear.
Is it useful for attacking players to put a line on the table to work on the depth of topspins?
+Evgeny Shumilin Yes this can be a good training drill for attackers too. I like your thinking!
1) at 4:02 Alois touches a point that is giving me a lot of trouble, ball height for an attacker. In order to make a topspin, how do you decide between an elbow rotation and a shoulder rotation. Meaning that if the ball is high, elbow flexing is useless and if it's low then on the contrary it's all elbow and no shoulder. That is already a choice I cant make fast enough, but I get totally lost when the height of the ball is just in the middle.
2)If I want to attack with a topspin (and not a smash) a rather long and a bit high backspin ball, where on the bounce should I hit the ball ?
I found out that waiting for the ball to go down a bit give a longer contact time on the rubber so that the topspin can lift the ball over the net, however waiting too much gives the ball too much downward momentum and forces the attacker to change from a topspin attack to a lobby topspin.
Topspinning a backspin while the ball is rising is just impossible for me.
Hi manu de hanoi,
Some excellent questions there. The best place to ask these longer questions is on our website as we have more room there and check more often.
You wouldn't normally play a topspin against a backspin ball while it is still rising. Most people wait for the top of the bounce or just after. I hope that helps.
Tnx a lot
+VLADO GAMES You're welcome.
Hi guys can you make a video about right hand windshield wiper serve and if yes the pls send the link
Hi there ...
I'm very interesting in table tennis sport ,
But i'm still very weak , i know how to do the forehand smash and a little of backhand shots ..
I started watching you few days ago , very interesting videos you have ......
My question where i could train ?
And where are you from ?
What's your advice for me coz i lost 20 games Sequentially from my friends !! ( very disappointed )
Thanks a loooooot
Hi 7assoooN,
It's great you've started playing Table Tennis. See if you can find a table tennis club in your area. You can search up on the Internet. As for learning, go to our website and work your way through our Strokes & Techniques section under the Lessons tab.
We are from Melbourne, Australia.
Good luck!
have you made a video about how to play against choppers?
what racket do you use?
love your videos!
Hi jonte player,
Both Alois and I use the PingSkills Touch with Xiom Vega Pro. We'll probably switch to Tenergy 05 when our rubbers need to be changed.
Hey Alois do you know how to spin the ball around the side of the net if you do then can you make a video of it please.
Hi +Stu,
Alois does know how to do this. If you search for "pingskills will see won't see" you'll find a video where Alois does this. We'll add your request to our list of videos to make.
Cheers,
Jeff.
Im improving by watching ur videos but fan u tell me how to do backhand sidespin serve better and also how to make ur forehand topspin better???? Ill be very thankful to you
Hi MR. TINY,
I'm glad to hear you are improving. We have a whole section on our website dedicated to serving so check that out. For the forehand topspin have you seen our current videos on the stroke? If not take a look at them and let me know if it helps you out. Also the best place to get detailed responses to your questions are on our website using the ask the coach section. There we can answer without any limits on the response. We also sometimes film video responses if our premium members vote for the question.
Cheers,
Jeff.
Okk
yes
Hi I suppose I fit in the Modern Defender category.
I was planning to upgrade to my first custom made racquet. Could you please suggest a rubber for the same. Initially I was planning for Mark V.
Hi Tanmay Gupta,
Mark V is a good choice. The only thing to consider is that if you do a lot of chopping it might be worth trying some long pimples on your backhand.
PingSkills Thanks!!
True, there are far fewer defenders around, but could it be that there is so little training and emphasis placed on the style? Contrast the amount of instructional videos here on CZcams for offensive table tennis play verses defensive style. Would you say that defensive instruction makes up 5% of table tennis training videos? Less?
This does a tremendous disservice to table tennis by narrowing the possibility of styles and ways to play this game. The only reason this can be is that there is more money in promoting the offensive style of play.
You do a great benefit to all of table tennis by not only offering the instruction that you do, but specifically by offering instruction for defenders. Great job and thank you!
Thanks for your kind words.
I don't know how to play chopper,I like defense,
But whenever I chop the ball instead of going above it goes below the table.pls help me
Hi Steve Jose,
Have you seen our videos on the forehand chop and backhand chop? Take a look at them for some tips on playing as a chopper.
i had watched the video,but when i tried it on the table,it does nt work out as it should be...
is there any other way,i can master it,i know its one of the crucial element in ping pong
I play as a defender and i prefer chopping. So how to get better/ how i got better was to not start chopping heavy. Begin with really light chops and then make them heavier as you get better. Remember, it doesnt need to be strong to be effective. +Steve Jobs
thanks i will try this weekend...
EXELAY Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Hello Pingskills! I just wanted to say that i put two defensive rubbers on a blade, one is a Stiga explosion and other is a Dragon Soft Anti, It is very cool to play with pimples and Anti on a same blade :D What is your opinion of it? I practice every training with it, but earlier i had done with normal racket training :D
That sounds interesting. Most people like to have one normal rubber so you can attack when needed. But if it is working for you then that is good. It is also probably unusual so a lot of people might not be used to playing against someone with this combination.
Oh yeah it is, but yes like you said, it is difficult to attack with it.. But when i am learning rightly to smash then it is going to be ok i think. I know lot of people in Estonia who scares different defensive rubbers so i need to show them what i have learned :) Btw i am from Estonia and it is nice to see that you replied for me :) Keep up the work I love your channel!
Hey! I wondering if you have any suggestions for equipment. I'm playing with butterfly Feint Long 3 (long pimples with sponge), Plaxon 450 (backside forehand rubber) and Stiga Carbon offensive right now. I'm really like the equipment but I still wonder if there still could be something even better for me. Would be really happy for a reply.
I haven't tried the Plaxon but it sounds like a good setup for an attacking chopper. Especially if you are happy with the setup then stick with it. Often players spend too much time switching and should keep focusing on improving their technique. Good luck with your table tennis!
Thanks for the videos. But, do defenders always need long pips for backhand rubber? Why?
They don't need long pimples but it gives them more control as the spin from the attacks is nullified by the pimples as they don't have much friction. If you do use normal rubber then you'll be able to generate more variations of spin yourself. We discuss this a bit in our video on the backhand chop - www.pingskills.com/tutorials/advanced-strokes/backhand-chop
PingSkills thank you for the reply. I tried to play with long pimples and i found it kinda odd.
Could you please suggest the name of the racquet or description.. I am facing issue in selecting the right one
We recommend the PingSkills Touch - www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-store/pingskills-touch
There are lots of good options however and it really is a personal choice. Good luck with your selection.
Hi, I am defender player. I play in my youth and after 20 years i am back... :) I need advice about rubbers... I play with Butterfly Tackiness chop II on the forhend and butterfly feint long III on the backhend... Feint long III is excelent for me (I tried some other LP, nothing is good as it), but I am not satisfied with tackiness... I like to attack, I have nice and fast forhend topspin, and I like to have forhend chopp with more spin... So, what is your recommendation?
Renato Grgatovic bluefire m3
hurricane 3
Thanks everyone for sharing some suggestions :)
Thanks this should help my deffensive game against my attacking partner
Good luck Elijah McNamee. Let me know if the tactics help you when you play your attacking partner.
Defensive players lot of the time have the upper hand in matches. If you have chop-chop-chopped your way through the past 5 points, making a swift attack is very unexpected by your opponent, allowing you to rake in surprise points.
As Muhammad Ali says, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
@@pingskills didn't expect a reply on such an old video, haha. thank you for making these vids, they are very helpful tom e
@@user-hd6xc1xn9d Great to hear.
@@pingskills can you do a video on how to play against aggressive players?
@@user-hd6xc1xn9d We have a whole series available here: www.pingskills.com/tutorials/playing-against-series
Hi coach
Please I want you to show how to play left hand forehand topspin pleaseeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
There are lots more things you need to know as a modern defender like passive forehand returns, flat counters. And using pips to shovel, chop-block or fake spin etc. But one of the hardest things to master is returning no spin to your pips.
Thanks for adding your thoughts.
Recently my chops are not going up properly, how do I fix this?
I don't know what you would call me, I use lp on my back hand and am working on becoming a strong forehand looper/attacker however due to the fact that it is very difficult to continue to play strong offense shots to long pip, which forces an opponent to either miss or push most of the time, I am starting to learn how to attack opponents pushes with underspin, and although it is not as easy as playing a topspin shot with my forehand and the attack is not very strong, it is a very ugly ball for my opponent to have to deal with
OK. Sounds like an interesting strategy. As always if something works then keep doing it!
yep, long pips eat up underspin,my fear though is that higher level player won't be bothered, we will see how my coach and i do in a few months in a tournament we are planning on playing in, he is about 400 rating points higher than me so it will be interesting to see how higher level players respond to the same shot
I think you may be right, the better standard player you play against the less effective this will be. But that's true of any shot you play :)
That is true and I need to keep reminding my self of that
How do you keep the ball low, if you are closer to the table, and how to do same thing further away
to get a good spin with long pips we should move our wrist fastly or our hand ??????i m getting problem in giving my opponent a heavy spin i want to learn a really heavy spin plz tell me to get a heavy spin on ball...........................
You can't generate your own spin with the long pimples. It just doesn't have the friction. If someone gives you a heavy backspin ball then your pimples will send it back with some topspin though. If you want to play attacking topspin strokes all the time then you'll need inverted rubber.
Could you show from where I can buy the bat and the ball which you used
We generally use the PingSkills Touch: www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-store/pingskills-touch
However if you want to play as a defender then this might not be the best choice.
hi,would you mind,can you share your videos with subtitle,
Your explanations are so undestanable and practicable.please how to be a hittrr player. Show in video.🙏
I'm glad you are enjoying our videos. For more strokes take a look at these tutorials - www.pingskills.com/categories/strokes-and-techniques
I need every tip to beat my 80 year old uncle. Man is a beast
Comment of the week :) - Check it out on our latest podcast - www.pingskills.com/podcast/show-332-improve-your-serving
I have got a tournament in school I am an amerture wht shall I need to prepare for the comin matches
Hi Rikaz Niyas,
Try to improve your basic strokes like the forehand counterhit, backhand counterhit, backhand push, and forehand push. We have videos on all of these strokes. See if you can practice with a friend and try to see how many of each shot you can do in a row.
Good luck!
Oh yeah improve that
Is it better to use long pips at back hand side ?
Most people who have long pips have them on their backhand.
I am a offensive player, but I am just a beginner so I lose to better offensive players, hope this chop will help me win thy opponents.
P.S Does being a balanced player is good?
I am thinking to buy a Spin-Based rubber (Black) and a short pimples (Red).
Hi Dan Brodith,
It sounds like you are progressing well. You may just need to develop your skills more. If you are an attacking player then you may be better focusing on improving your return so you can get the ball back short so your opponents can't attack first. If you attack first you will make it difficult for them. The chop stroke is more useful if you are a defensive player.
What is the FH inverted rubber from Jeff?
I can't remember what rubber was on that bat as it is not my normal bat. On my current bat I have Xiom Vega Pro on both sides. Are you a defender? What rubber are you currently using on your forehand?
@@pingskills , i currently use Tibhar Evolution MX-P on my FH... and I twiddle with my bat. But I'm looking for a FH rubber that is capable of attacking/agressive topspin and chopping
does this work with offensive blade and offensive maximum sponge rubbers?
It does but it makes it much harder to control. If you are going to play a defensive style I'd recommend getting some more defensive and slower rubbers and blade.
PingSkills thx for your fast answer!:)
You're welcome.
What's a good defender rubber and blade?
Here's some discussion that might help - www.pingskills.com/table-tennis-forum/modern-defender-blade
+Can you make a video playing as a attacker?
+VLADO GAMES Good suggestion. On our website we have a whole section of match strategy videos including playing against an attacker but we'll add this idea to our list.
Is it weird for a defender to use inverted rubber on both sides? I’m a chopper who uses heaps of backspin but I’ve used inverted rubber all my life. I’ve never tried playing with pimples, long or short
No it's not weird and you can get much more variation with the inverted rubber. A lot of choppers do use long pimples though.
Match Strategy Playing as a attacker please :)
Can choppers use other spins like tospin or sidespin?
Yes, they certainly can! They often use backspin but it is good to mix things up!
I'm watching this video after my match lost so badly.
After lost, I realised that I always choped in backhand and always tried to attack on forehand. My opponent must felt so easy to predict. But during the match, I was so frustrated that all my tries didn't work and didn't even realise that all my actions were so predictable. How do you manage your frustration or nervousness during match?
Take a look at these tutorials and see if they help: www.pingskills.com/tutorials/sports-psychology
@@pingskills Thanks
What's the best grip for defenders?
The shakehand grip is best for choppers.
Should i chop and block vs attackers.
Great question. It really depends on your own strengths. If you are a good attacker then perhaps you should try to attack first. Take a look at our match strategy series for some more of our thoughts: www.pingskills.com/tutorials/playing-against-series