10 for 10. Great topic! Jason, why is it improper to say "looking for traffic"? I typically say "looking for traffic" and then report back once I have traffic in sight. It will be no problem to start responding with "negative contact" ... just curious why.
10 for 10. As a full time police officer, and now a student pilot I’ve had a little struggle breaking some of the cop talk on the radio. But I’m getting better.
Jason, I had a CFII who always said "got them on the fish finder", it drove me absolutely crazy. ATC only wants to know that you have VISUAL contact to maintain separation. OTOH, "Tallyho" is a very old pilot's term for "in sight", some old timers (or people who were trained by old timers) will always use it. It will go away sooner or later. I believe it actually started with fighter pilots, announcing they had enemy aircraft in sight and were engaging. It was short for the saying "tally-ho, and away we go" which was a popular phrase from some radio program as I recollect. My father was a pilot in WWII, so of course I heard lots of stories about that kind of trivia. Talking about using proper phonetic alphabet, I'm a police officer and we use a totally different phonetic alphabet than standard military, which is what pilots use. I do get confused, and at least twice have caught myself saying "10-4" to ATC. It's embarrassing, but I just said "sorry, I'm a police officer" and they got a good chuckle. Great points on everything else.
10/10 Nice Job, Jason! (talley ho, matey) 🙂 But seriously, my biggest pet peeve: "ABC Traffic - Cessna 23mz - final runway 32, ABC TRAFFIC." It's a traffic sandwich, and it makes me think that they are starting a second call!
10/10. I'm starting my VFR RT practical course on Sunday. So useful this video. One two zero decimal five five officially BTW. We have a CFI with an F at the end of his registration and he keeps abbreviating 'Foxtrot' to 'Fox'. That kind of lazyness causes accidents.
I am a late starter student pilot from the UK with only 15hrs and am 10 for 10! Keeping the communication concise and consistent is key and helps me remember what and when to say, by using the right terminology. Great videos
10 / 10. Interesting though: NAV CANADA’s VFR Phraseology Guide (Version 3, April 2022) calls for us to say “Looking for traffic” as well as “Traffic in sight”.
Sometimes, at very busy none towered airports, using just the three alpha numeric digits of a call sign is a good idea. But, only after the first identifying call. One airport I fly to often is used for IFR approach training. They constantly tie up the frequency, stacking inbound traffic over a VOR up to 7500 feet!. So, shorter is better than not at all, like some folks do at this airport. 10/10
10 for 10, was just discussing this the other day with some German friends, they are all about being clear concise and precise. They help keep me in line,
Metric dozen. Our club 172 is "One Four Kilo Mike." I'd never heard of another Kilo Mike at all and got to where that was all I listened for until the afternoon there were THREE Kilo Mikes in the pattern and one was something like "Two Seven Four Kilo Mike." We initially answered each other's calls until the controller started including aircraft descriptors, "Skyhawk one-four-kilo-mike..." "Baron seven-four-kilo-mike" and so on. I'm messing up the numbers and aircraft types, but it was a learning experience.
10 for 10. Great stuff, Jason! I learned how to fly in a non-electrical aircraft (1946 Luscombe 8A with Continental C-65 engine). I learned how to hand-start an airplane very early in my flight training. One thing that irks me is when guys use phraseology like "mags hot" or "mags on". The words "hot" and "on" both have a short "o" sound, which can make them easily confused with "off" which also has a short "o" sound. One day, I was hand-starting a Champ for a flying buddy of mine. As we walked to the airplane, I told him that I prefer to use "mags off" when the mags are off and "contact" when the mags are on. He agreed. When we got out to the airplane, he used the phrase "mags hot". Fortunately, my hearing was good and I didn't mistake his phraseology for "mags off". In a noisy place like a busy airport, or even a windy airport that's not busy, proper phraseology between the guy in the cockpit and the hand-propper when hand-starting an airplane is crucial. I would hate to be pulling the prop through to prime the cylinders while the mags were hot...er, I mean on...uh, I mean contact! 😏
10/10 I discovered ‘negative contact’ last year through this channel. Standard phraseology here in Australia as well. My instructor never had heard of it but it’s in our manuals. The other thing I use thanks to this channel is flight following a lot more. Radio calls are the same as in the tutorials.
10/10 and I am right behind you on good RT. Interesting though how USA and Europe differ on some standard phraseology: You say: Line up and wait We say: Line up You say: Negative contact We say: Traffic not sighted And we don't say Tally ho any more, but we do say Wilco & Roger rather a lot ;-)
Actually heard this all from the same plane. Tower-"Say direction of departure". P-"We're going to Payson". Tower-"Say direction of departure"! P-"Payson is up in the mountains". Tower-"Say direction of departure"!! P-"We'll just fly straight out". Tower-"Say direction of departure"!!! P-" FINE-departing to the east"!!. Some people just don't get it.
10/10 When I was in the Army, our sister unit had an incident where a Stryker ran over a pickup truck. It was all due to the difference between no and go.
10 for 10: I have never heard a pilot say Tally ho but I have heard some reference the "Fish Finder" on the radio. I was fortunate enough to have CFIs that taught me this was not a good practice so its not something I ever picked up on myself.
10 for 10 - an instructor recently corrected me when I was doing pattern work “downwind for 14” while I was turning. It may be a small difference but in a tight pattern it could make a difference.
Great video to help reinforce the importance of understanding communication and phraseology in aviation. When I started learning about aviation phraseology, I thought I had to take English class again. I've never heard the "Tally Ho" phrase but if I heard someone say it on the radio, I would have a nice little laugh for myself first, then be confused because what the heck does it mean? It sounds like a whole diner lingo for aviation.
Great video on an important topic. Interestingly in the UK, where I fly, correct phraseology instead of "climb four thousand" would be "climb to altitude four thousand feet". Part of the reason is that in the vicinity of airfields, we sometimes use height (AAL - above aerodrome level) instead of altitude, so it might then be "height four thousand feet". Either way, the "to altitude" removes the confusion between "to" and 2, but only if people use it correctly... and many don't.
👍10-4 ten. 😜 great video Jason. Throw in our expectation biases and these double and even triple meaning phrases can become a disaster affecting life and limb. Thank you, and please keep covering this topic more. 👍😎
10 - wow! I love how these videos fill in gaps of “why is that like that”? I like to know those nuances and tips on what makes a better pilot. Thank you so much for these!
I've never heard "Tallyho I've got 'em on the fish finder" but I have heard "Tallyho" a LOT. In fact I heard it so much when I was a brand new student pilot I used it the first time tower called out traffic to me and I saw it." Fortunately a good instructor removed that from my vocabulary for me.
Question: What do I say to tower when I am inbound for a full stop landing and then want to immediately take off? ...ie as in landing at a towered airport on my 150nm + cross country. Oh, 10/10!
Inbound, landing, stop ‘n go. I use this at a towered Class D in my upstate NY region. As a student, I like to request t@axi back” to practice maneuvering around without paying landing fees that seem to be increasing.
I agree with most of what you're saying. However, there is nothing wrong with saying Tally-ho or No-joy. This phraseology is used by military pilots, and there is no confusion on the meaning. By the way, military pilots are professionals too.
i have heard "i got em on the fishfinder." not tally ho, though. i did my training at untowered airports, so i heard the occasional short conversation, too.
Hi guys , quick question here . At first contact with the departure, do we say " ....passing 4.000 feet to 10.000 feet "or " ... passing 4.000 feet climbing 10.000 feet ? Thank you all.
10/10 great advice! I can’t emphasize enough how much flying on the VATSIM network has helped me to get comfortable talking to ATC.
"Go Ahead" is an authorized ATC term meaning "proceed with your message." 7110.65 Pilot/Controller Glossary, PCG-G2 👍
10 for 10. Great topic! Jason, why is it improper to say "looking for traffic"? I typically say "looking for traffic" and then report back once I have traffic in sight. It will be no problem to start responding with "negative contact" ... just curious why.
10 for 10. As a full time police officer, and now a student pilot I’ve had a little struggle breaking some of the cop talk on the radio. But I’m getting better.
Jason, I had a CFII who always said "got them on the fish finder", it drove me absolutely crazy. ATC only wants to know that you have VISUAL contact to maintain separation. OTOH, "Tallyho" is a very old pilot's term for "in sight", some old timers (or people who were trained by old timers) will always use it. It will go away sooner or later. I believe it actually started with fighter pilots, announcing they had enemy aircraft in sight and were engaging. It was short for the saying "tally-ho, and away we go" which was a popular phrase from some radio program as I recollect. My father was a pilot in WWII, so of course I heard lots of stories about that kind of trivia.
Talking about using proper phonetic alphabet, I'm a police officer and we use a totally different phonetic alphabet than standard military, which is what pilots use. I do get confused, and at least twice have caught myself saying "10-4" to ATC. It's embarrassing, but I just said "sorry, I'm a police officer" and they got a good chuckle. Great points on everything else.
10/10 Nice Job, Jason! (talley ho, matey) 🙂
But seriously, my biggest pet peeve: "ABC Traffic - Cessna 23mz - final runway 32, ABC TRAFFIC." It's a traffic sandwich, and it makes me think that they are starting a second call!
10/10. I'm starting my VFR RT practical course on Sunday. So useful this video. One two zero decimal five five officially BTW. We have a CFI with an F at the end of his registration and he keeps abbreviating 'Foxtrot' to 'Fox'. That kind of lazyness causes accidents.
I am a late starter student pilot from the UK with only 15hrs and am 10 for 10! Keeping the communication concise and consistent is key and helps me remember what and when to say, by using the right terminology. Great videos
For me, possibly the best video in the series so far. Points out many of my shortcomings . I need to improve.
10 / 10.
Interesting though: NAV CANADA’s VFR Phraseology Guide (Version 3, April 2022) calls for us to say “Looking for traffic” as well as “Traffic in sight”.
Sometimes, at very busy none towered airports, using just the three alpha numeric digits of a call sign is a good idea. But, only after the first identifying call. One airport I fly to often is used for IFR approach training. They constantly tie up the frequency, stacking inbound traffic over a VOR up to 7500 feet!. So, shorter is better than not at all, like some folks do at this airport. 10/10
10 for 10. I am guilty of saying "Looking" and am going to change that. Thanks Jason.
10 for 10, was just discussing this the other day with some German friends, they are all about being clear concise and precise. They help keep me in line,
10/10. Good coms are important. I hate making controllers or center repeat something, but I’ve got no shame asking them to do it.
Metric dozen. Our club 172 is "One Four Kilo Mike." I'd never heard of another Kilo Mike at all and got to where that was all I listened for until the afternoon there were THREE Kilo Mikes in the pattern and one was something like "Two Seven Four Kilo Mike." We initially answered each other's calls until the controller started including aircraft descriptors, "Skyhawk one-four-kilo-mike..." "Baron seven-four-kilo-mike" and so on. I'm messing up the numbers and aircraft types, but it was a learning experience.
10 for 10. Great stuff, Jason!
I learned how to fly in a non-electrical aircraft (1946 Luscombe 8A with Continental C-65 engine). I learned how to hand-start an airplane very early in my flight training. One thing that irks me is when guys use phraseology like "mags hot" or "mags on". The words "hot" and "on" both have a short "o" sound, which can make them easily confused with "off" which also has a short "o" sound.
One day, I was hand-starting a Champ for a flying buddy of mine. As we walked to the airplane, I told him that I prefer to use "mags off" when the mags are off and "contact" when the mags are on. He agreed. When we got out to the airplane, he used the phrase "mags hot". Fortunately, my hearing was good and I didn't mistake his phraseology for "mags off".
In a noisy place like a busy airport, or even a windy airport that's not busy, proper phraseology between the guy in the cockpit and the hand-propper when hand-starting an airplane is crucial. I would hate to be pulling the prop through to prime the cylinders while the mags were hot...er, I mean on...uh, I mean contact! 😏
10/10. I’m guilty of “climbing to”. Thanks for the refresher.
10/10 I discovered ‘negative contact’ last year through this channel. Standard phraseology here in Australia as well. My instructor never had heard of it but it’s in our manuals. The other thing I use thanks to this channel is flight following a lot more. Radio calls are the same as in the tutorials.
There is definitely a few that I never would have thought that would be a conflicting statement until you mentioned it.
Love you Jason, but gotta ironically laugh with “misconskewed” and “misconstrued.” 😂 You are still awesome in my book! Tim
10/10, great snap by the way! Looks like I have not heard everything on the radio after "gottem on the fish finder".
10/10 and I am right behind you on good RT.
Interesting though how USA and Europe differ on some standard phraseology:
You say: Line up and wait
We say: Line up
You say: Negative contact
We say: Traffic not sighted
And we don't say Tally ho any more, but we do say Wilco & Roger rather a lot ;-)
Actually heard this all from the same plane. Tower-"Say direction of departure". P-"We're going to Payson". Tower-"Say direction of departure"! P-"Payson is up in the mountains". Tower-"Say direction of departure"!! P-"We'll just fly straight out". Tower-"Say direction of departure"!!! P-" FINE-departing to the east"!!. Some people just don't get it.
10/10 When I was in the Army, our sister unit had an incident where a Stryker ran over a pickup truck. It was all due to the difference between no and go.
10 for 10: I have never heard a pilot say Tally ho but I have heard some reference the "Fish Finder" on the radio. I was fortunate enough to have CFIs that taught me this was not a good practice so its not something I ever picked up on myself.
10 for 10. Thank you, Jason ! 😊
Loving this series! I'd add in avoiding the usual "aaaaaaaaaaand" at the beginning of a transmission 🙄
10 for 10 - an instructor recently corrected me when I was doing pattern work “downwind for 14” while I was turning. It may be a small difference but in a tight pattern it could make a difference.
10 for 10. Wow! I’ve made several of these mistakes so I will work on them and do better! Thankfully, never guilty of saying “fish finder”!!
10 4 10 great points today!! Gives me more to work on.
10/10 thanks for these. Comms are so important, and bad communication is a poor excuse.
10/10❤ super great video….. I always try think how phrases will get interpreted…. And this was a great reminder!!! Thanks😊
one zero for one zero. Great message and reminder!
10 for 10!!! Great topic Jason, Thank You!!
Great video to help reinforce the importance of understanding communication and phraseology in aviation. When I started learning about aviation phraseology, I thought I had to take English class again. I've never heard the "Tally Ho" phrase but if I heard someone say it on the radio, I would have a nice little laugh for myself first, then be confused because what the heck does it mean? It sounds like a whole diner lingo for aviation.
Thx Jason...I'm who knows "On the go!"...lol
10 for 10, thanks Jason.
"This on the radio." You can't tell me what to do! 😇
Great video on an important topic. Interestingly in the UK, where I fly, correct phraseology instead of "climb four thousand" would be "climb to altitude four thousand feet".
Part of the reason is that in the vicinity of airfields, we sometimes use height (AAL - above aerodrome level) instead of altitude, so it might then be "height four thousand feet". Either way, the "to altitude" removes the confusion between "to" and 2, but only if people use it correctly... and many don't.
10 for 10, great tips Jason!
👍10-4 ten. 😜 great video Jason. Throw in our expectation biases and these double and even triple meaning phrases can become a disaster affecting life and limb.
Thank you, and please keep covering this topic more. 👍😎
10/10. My pet peve: clear of the active, i much prefer clear of runaway XX.
10/10. Another great topic, thanks!
10 for 10, great heads up
10 for 10. Thanks for these videos.
10 - wow! I love how these videos fill in gaps of “why is that like that”? I like to know those nuances and tips on what makes a better pilot. Thank you so much for these!
10 for 10. Also guilty of a few of these. Good refresher, and I'll work on them. Thanks!
10/10!!! Well done- great info!
10 for 10, enjoying this so much!
10 for 10! Wow lots of info in this one. I’m going to grab my notebook and write some of this down. 👍🏼 I never heard the fish finder one before. 😂
One zero out of one zero / great class. I'm loving it
10/10 - Power Set!
10 from 10 here in Australia. Keep up the great videos.
I've never heard "Tallyho I've got 'em on the fish finder" but I have heard "Tallyho" a LOT. In fact I heard it so much when I was a brand new student pilot I used it the first time tower called out traffic to me and I saw it." Fortunately a good instructor removed that from my vocabulary for me.
9 / 9...thanks Jason.
10 for 10! Always working on this to get better!
10 for 10 Thank you
10/10....nice and concise..
Love it, Thank you
10/10 love the phraseology
How about "bring the power back"? My CFI said that just yesterday. I thought he meant add power, he meant reduce power.
10/4/10 thanks
10410R2!
I'm a student and can't tell you how many times I continue to hear "any traffic please advise" every time I go up. Winchester VA airport.
10 for 10!
10 for 10!!
Good message! :)
Ten for ten! Thanks for this series.
10410, clear communication in all areas of life is “KING”
10/10 back on trace!
Greetings from Tenerife 😀
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This is great!!!!
Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but the word is pronounced "phra-se-ol-o-gy" -- not "phrase-ol-o-gy." (from a visiting English editor)
10 for 10 good buddy
10 for 10 learned a few things today as Always! Good stuff keep it going 👍
Question: What do I say to tower when I am inbound for a full stop landing and then want to immediately take off? ...ie as in landing at a towered airport on my 150nm + cross country. Oh, 10/10!
Inbound, landing, stop ‘n go. I use this at a towered Class D in my upstate NY region. As a student, I like to request t@axi back” to practice maneuvering around without paying landing fees that seem to be increasing.
10 / 10 (not 10 for 10) I use Vatsim and ARSim on my phone -Talking to ATC just makes me nervous. I am sure I'll get over it.
10 for 10 great needed video thanks
10/10 great advice!
10-4-10 good buddy!
10-4-10. Thanks much!
I agree with most of what you're saying. However, there is nothing wrong with saying Tally-ho or No-joy. This phraseology is used by military pilots, and there is no confusion on the meaning. By the way, military pilots are professionals too.
9/10 my favorite phraseology mistake: remain clear of [the] class b [airspace] vs remain outside of [the] class b [airspace]
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i have heard "i got em on the fishfinder." not tally ho, though. i did my training at untowered airports, so i heard the occasional short conversation, too.
10/10. Question on the fish finder- do we not refer to adsb- in? What should we say?
"I've got em on the fish finder" is common to hear from AIRLINERS in my area.
10/10 thanks for what you do!
From the movie "Hot Shots!" "Sphincter Mucous Niner Ringworm, roger".
Great video! 10/10
10/10. Great stuff!
I’m 10/10 now. Great job
10/10... This is good stuff!
I had to ask tower to repeat take off clearance recently. I heard” G-YL wind 240/10 knot cleared for take off” I heard “not cleared for take off”.
They’re just supposed to announce the winds as “240@10”…
10 fer 10 baby!
10 for 10.
Also consider regional dialects and accents. At my home airport you know you're in Texas.
Hi guys , quick question here . At first contact with the departure, do we say " ....passing 4.000 feet to 10.000 feet "or " ... passing 4.000 feet climbing 10.000 feet ? Thank you all.
Ten for ten. All caught up for now.
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