Company of Heroes 2 | Pershing vs German Heavy tanks

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  • čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
  • In this video we will be putting the Pershing to the test against some of the strongest tanks the Axis have to offer. I also added the OKW Command Panther into the mix, just because I thought it was a worthy tank to fight against the American Pershing.

Komentáře • 158

  • @izayo4447
    @izayo4447 Před 3 lety +111

    Pershing : why can't I have 1000+ hp?
    German : hurr durr you have speed... you don't need more HP
    meanwhile : all german heavys have blitzkrieg even the fat ass king tiger.

    • @Fruzhin5483
      @Fruzhin5483 Před 3 lety +20

      Preach son, same shit with us brits
      Germans: her der cromwell mobile.
      Yeah this doesnt mean shit when the game has such a buggy pathfind, absolutly demolishing the one thing that makes this ok.
      And lets not start with the soviet armour. T-34/85 is a joke

    • @legendaryt7869
      @legendaryt7869 Před 2 lety +1

      Here's GuP logic comes to play

    • @davidisinger4806
      @davidisinger4806 Před rokem +1

      Meanwhile panther goes Speed racer mode and backwards speeds past everything, and destroying katyushas and calliope

    • @pyry1948
      @pyry1948 Před rokem +1

      @@Fruzhin5483 T-34s just miss everything

    • @TovKafur
      @TovKafur Před 5 měsíci

      Pershing has 20% damage reduction. It essentially has more than 1000 HP but repairs faster.

  • @seashellbeesaveres7951
    @seashellbeesaveres7951 Před 3 lety +72

    Pershing imo is pretty useless. I would rather 2 shermans than a pershing because that essentially doubles the infantry buff you get from combined arms than from a lone pershing

    • @eddiejrbation5095
      @eddiejrbation5095 Před 3 lety +2

      Agree mostly I use it as bluff tactics to scare off unprepared enemies. I easily roll back the Pershing if against Heavy Tanks because I know it would easily outpowered. I would prefer a 2 Sherman and 1 Jackson if it were for fast pace attacks but everyone has their own tactics.

    • @chocolat-kun8689
      @chocolat-kun8689 Před 2 lety +6

      Historically, Panthers are a lot better than tigers in all except the side armor. I am surprised that Tigers shots do not bounce against a pershing.

    • @bggraham83
      @bggraham83 Před rokem +1

      @@chocolat-kun8689 panthers were 75 mm gun tigers 88. King tiger 88 and jagdtiger 128

    • @chocolat-kun8689
      @chocolat-kun8689 Před rokem +4

      @@bggraham83 Its not always the bigger the better. The panther 75mm has a greater penetration than the Tiger. 88 became better when it became the long 88. The jagd 128 is self explanatory. Its all about the velocity of the shell.

    • @TovKafur
      @TovKafur Před 7 měsíci +1

      Don't use it is as a heavy tank and it will do wonders. It's a stronger Panther that annihilates infantry and has amazing accuracy on move, and should be used as mobile reserve/tank hunter, not as tip of the spearhead.

  • @xMYx507
    @xMYx507 Před 3 lety +81

    Pershing is more of a super medium like Panther, T-34-85 and Comet than a heavy tank.
    Direct 1 vs 1 loss against heavies is just as expected.
    You can say that Pershing is the strongest medium.

    • @wolkenmeer4380
      @wolkenmeer4380 Před 3 lety +50

      With heavy tank price

    • @Rider-lo9vt
      @Rider-lo9vt Před 3 lety +2

      André Liu
      / Good sir, Pershing is a heavy tank in real life and this game.

    • @tracker7059
      @tracker7059 Před 3 lety +16

      @@Rider-lo9vt Formally. Practically it was pretty equal to a Panther, which was a medium tank. The Pershing was classified as a heavy tank mainly to boost the frontline morale. "We now have heavy tanks too!"
      And after 1946, it was re-classified according to what it truly was: As a medium tank.
      The american armies during the WWII period never had something that truly was a heavy tank - to their great benefit.

    • @the_jingo
      @the_jingo Před 3 lety +1

      @@tracker7059 I mean m6a1 and m6a2 are heavy tank tho

    • @imperialguardsman5929
      @imperialguardsman5929 Před 3 lety +9

      Yeah until the speedy fking Panthers go full race car mode and flank the pershing

  • @bigr2803
    @bigr2803 Před 3 lety +73

    There's no point in buffing perishing, maybe lowering its fuel cost to be slightly higher than panthers cost. Anyway USF has good mobility, and good tank destroyers, if used correctly they can out range tigers or out flank German heavy destroyers. USF is designed to move fast and hit hard where its weak, not stand and 1v1 tigers and complain that Pershing needs a buff.

    • @darksidedelta
      @darksidedelta Před 3 lety +3

      @Big R
      i agree completely.

    • @kokop.1610
      @kokop.1610 Před 3 lety +7

      fair enough but must admit cost wise still an imbalance

    • @scorpiontdalpha9799
      @scorpiontdalpha9799 Před 3 lety +1

      @@patrickyehudatangkudung2273 U r pretty amazing being able to use a normal Sherman to fight a Panther while my 76mm Sherman refuses to pen even with HVAP on

    • @scorpiontdalpha9799
      @scorpiontdalpha9799 Před 3 lety

      Yeah, Pershing is extremely mobile eventhough it is a heavy
      It is awesome because it can support anything from your tank destroyers to infantries push

    • @JackJackKcajify
      @JackJackKcajify Před 3 lety +6

      yea the fuel cost needs to be nerfed. 230 and 630 manpower is just way too much for what is essentially a beefed up medium tank.

  • @computergreen3072
    @computergreen3072 Před 3 lety +33

    Maybe give the Pershing the ability to upgrade itself to the Super Pershing? This essentially gives the US a proper heavy tank.

    • @wolkenmeer4380
      @wolkenmeer4380 Před 3 lety +9

      Absolutely agree
      Or another doctrine with super pershing

    • @Roeper437
      @Roeper437 Před 3 lety +4

      Good idea however it should be costly so there is maybe only one at the same time

    • @thomaskok5773
      @thomaskok5773 Před 3 lety

      why would you choose to just sit your Pershing like a piece of artillery when you can just move around and kite your enemy ??

    • @Bleilock1
      @Bleilock1 Před 3 lety +1

      @@patrickyehudatangkudung2273 cause roster isnt crap lol

    • @scorpiontdalpha9799
      @scorpiontdalpha9799 Před 3 lety

      Vet 4:)))))

  • @gargara77
    @gargara77 Před 2 lety +14

    There is a serious problem about veterancy. German heavy takes more advantages by gain veterancy.... 5 star ones very strong. You should do this without veterancy

    • @alp9173
      @alp9173 Před rokem +1

      veterancy 4 and 5 is just utility. vet 5 king tiger unlocks blitzkrieg which is useless for this demonstration

    • @alp9173
      @alp9173 Před rokem +1

      though for jagdtiger it adds extra HP but it's supposed to win against any tank regardless of anything so it doesn't matter much in that case

  • @colddeath37
    @colddeath37 Před 5 měsíci +1

    pershing's main design purpose is to counter german panzer V (panther). It was obvious from the start that pershing would lose every battle except than panther

  • @Roeper437
    @Roeper437 Před 3 lety +19

    Funny fact: Americans didn't fight Tigers for whole time in France, the only exception is when germans loaded 2 or 3 heavily damaged tigers on the train. While departure they were attacked by half-track.

    • @tinman3586
      @tinman3586 Před 3 lety +1

      There were plenty of Tiger II tanks though that were deployed against US forces, especially in the Ardennes.

    • @Roeper437
      @Roeper437 Před 3 lety +2

      @@tinman3586 There were. Ardennes is in Belgium tho.

    • @jackaman5187
      @jackaman5187 Před 2 lety

      What about the story of Michael wittman

    • @onur97able
      @onur97able Před 2 lety +1

      @@jackaman5187 he engaged british before dying to a firefly

    • @Roeper437
      @Roeper437 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jackaman5187 AS far as I know, he was fighting against British forces, maybe Canadian infantry or some fortified positions.

  • @samuelvo6653
    @samuelvo6653 Před 2 lety +3

    Things to note about the pershing:
    Stock, it has 45 range allowing it to outrange other heavies of its class(until they hit vet 2). Its range increases to 50 with combined arms.
    It retains 50% accuracy on the move and is paired with Jacksons which has the same benefits. Other factions only retain 33% accuracy.
    The pershing has the best AI when it comes to dealing with infantry compared to its heavy counterparts.
    What it lacks in health is made up in armor. Takes 6 hits to kill, similar to a panther but with higher armor values.
    Increased acceleration and speed is a big deal since the biggest threat is the panther. The Is2 and Churchill get bullied since they get outranged and don't have the speed and acceleration to quickly disengage.
    Utilizing superior range and mobility is the way the Pershing gets around fighting axis heavies. Panthers have superior range compared to the pershing, but only by 5. The engagements will be close, but the panther will be at the slight advantage because of the range and blitz. Its not surprising, panthers act like TDs for the axis anyways.

    • @XDwpnoobImanAdult
      @XDwpnoobImanAdult Před rokem

      all cost resources, pershing in resource wise is not good, since it costs too much to upkeep those buffs correctly, also it requires lots of micro ifu want it to survive, plus munitions to gain thos buffs while the german counterpart doesnt cost anything to upkeep costs, even in blitzkrieg tactics the german tanks have low requirements.. Pershing, needs a buff, comet also needs a buff, also blitzkrieg makes enemies fail more shots to them, which non of allied tanks have. the margin is just ff....they cannot even take out crew and that fs them upp because the cap is already there and there's no way to compensate for these cons.
      also, it does emotional damage because the tanks looks so cool to suck so hard.

    • @samuelvo6653
      @samuelvo6653 Před rokem

      @@XDwpnoobImanAdult The comet was nerfed 2 years ago and for good reason, and i dont know what you're talking about upkeep cause the unvetted pershing will wipe the floor against an unvetted tiger. The pershing requires as much micro as any other heavy so I dont know what you're talking about there.
      While yeah the pershing required combined arms to compete against vetted heavy tanks, thats the entire point of the doctrine. The bonuses the combined arms are insane and the pershing vet bonuses were adjusted accordingly. The doctrine was designed for all in dives and the pershing as well as the USF roster suits fits well with this. The pershign cant decrew cause thatd be exploitable and it is compensated, the pershing exchanged health for a flat 25% damage reduction so repairs are faster.
      Blitzkrieg effectiveness diminishes the heavier the tank is and decreases overall accuracy of the vehicle. Its ironic that you'd be complaining about this when brits get to use warspeed for free and have hunt giving two speed buffs. The comet is in a good place now

  • @j.madelozo8222
    @j.madelozo8222 Před 2 lety +1

    Love the camouflage on the pershings

  • @andyfreeman2805
    @andyfreeman2805 Před 3 lety +4

    Funny thing real tank can shot 1000 m but in coh it can only see 50 m shoot 70 m.

  • @8acun
    @8acun Před 3 lety +1

    doing these but having the takes on hte move is the go. Most engagements, the vehicles are moving about, reducing accuracy to varying degrees for each tank.

  • @azizfikri3376
    @azizfikri3376 Před 3 lety +3

    Comrade, its weird. I still can find pershing when play as us army. Any explanation?

  • @kitkato1981
    @kitkato1981 Před 3 lety +1

    What is the name of the songs you used in this video?

  • @deangregoric4735
    @deangregoric4735 Před 2 lety +7

    Germans: we took down another armored car
    Some guy: it's not armored car it's American heavy tank
    Germans: ohhhhhh. Wait what!!

    • @intotheunknown21
      @intotheunknown21 Před 2 lety

      Fun fact "Panzer" is short for "Panzerkampfwagen" which translates to "Armored battle car". The term "Tank" originated from the British who used "tank" as codename for the first tanks ever produced for ww1 to keep it a secret to the Germans. Apparently the name sticked and we still use it today. But the German can call theirs panzers or whatever.

  • @alberttroychan4264
    @alberttroychan4264 Před 3 lety +1

    Try doing Infantry squads next time like cons vs grenerdier

  • @alvydasjokubauskas2587
    @alvydasjokubauskas2587 Před 3 lety +2

    Pershing has only chance on flanks or rear, and usually nobody never buys it as it's as almost the same tank as shermans... 2x Sherman's are more effective for almost same price

    • @scorpiontdalpha9799
      @scorpiontdalpha9799 Před 3 lety +3

      But two Shermans never beat a Panther unless the German player let u do it

    • @armano4125
      @armano4125 Před 2 lety +1

      @@scorpiontdalpha9799 same thing with pershing

    • @scorpiontdalpha9799
      @scorpiontdalpha9799 Před 2 lety

      @@armano4125 lol I kill a Command Panther with a Pershing in straight up 1v1 lol
      Just test Pershing vs Panther with cheat mod

    • @armano4125
      @armano4125 Před 2 lety +1

      @@scorpiontdalpha9799 between pershing and panther its an rng thing, due to armor
      Please dont use these dumb arguments, in practical fight pershing has more focus on itself due to how armies are compositioned, and its a heavy tank you cant play around because of how vulnerable it is
      A panther is a core medium tank you can spam or keep trading with opponent tanks taking a lot less risk

    • @scorpiontdalpha9799
      @scorpiontdalpha9799 Před 2 lety

      @@armano4125 I don't know what u are talking about
      Dumb argument? Panther Spam?
      U went from Pershing vs Panther to army composition and Panther Spam. Then I can say I make 2 Jacksons and 3 Rangers with Bazookas

  • @thefalcone2628
    @thefalcone2628 Před 2 lety

    what is the tiger 2 skin?

  • @Rider-lo9vt
    @Rider-lo9vt Před 3 lety +14

    Relic really need to buff the Pershing

    • @kvnen
      @kvnen Před 3 lety +1

      @@chocolat-kun8689 The pershing has incredible accuracy and mobility though. there is not one infantry squad in this game that would survive more than 5 seconds in the presence of the pershing. It's definitely the sort of unit you go for when you're ahead. It's not something you can call in if you're behind though, definitely better to go for a Jackson.

    • @Rider-lo9vt
      @Rider-lo9vt Před 3 lety

      @@kvnen 'there is not one infantry squad in this game that would survive more than 5 sec..' Tiger and Tiger 2 "Hold my beer"

    • @kvnen
      @kvnen Před 3 lety +1

      @@Rider-lo9vt the tiger is so trash. it’s not seen in high level play for a reason. a panzer iv and panther combo is simply so much better than a tiger (in most circumstances). i’m sure in 3v3 and 4v4 when there are 3-4 tigers on the field, that could be different. but i don’t play those. when i play as axis you’d never catch me using a tiger, and when i play as allies, i rarely ever see a tiger. the tiger just isn’t used because of its range. any tank destroyer; just one; can keep a tiger out of commission for almost the entire game.

    • @Rider-lo9vt
      @Rider-lo9vt Před 3 lety

      @@kvnen I can mirroring you with same logic, I rarely ever see pershing, any german tank destroyer just one can keep pershing out of commission easily.

    • @kvnen
      @kvnen Před 3 lety +2

      @@Rider-lo9vt there is a stark difference though. the Jackson and firefly are some of the two of the most accurate, mobile and just effective tank destroyers in the game. on top of that, the Pershing has such a high mobility as well; in other words, the Pershing moves so much faster than the Pershing so it can get out of tough situations faster. Plus, the Pershing, again, does devastating damage to infantry. but in a way you are right, the Pershing is rarely seen because it suffers the same problem as the tiger; a Sherman and a Jackson is simply so much better than the Pershing, just as the tiger isn’t used because a Panzer and Panther are significantly better.

  • @EatingWaffles
    @EatingWaffles Před rokem

    And in CoH3 they removed all of this..

  • @mauriciorv228
    @mauriciorv228 Před 3 lety +1

    Can u try this with the pershing AP ability? Maybe then it wins the tiger 1.

    • @mauriciorv228
      @mauriciorv228 Před 3 lety

      @@chocolat-kun8689 i’ll test that myself

    • @scorpiontdalpha9799
      @scorpiontdalpha9799 Před 3 lety +1

      But the duel is very close even if Pershing doesn't use the special round on Tiger
      So I would say there is a chance

    • @intotheunknown21
      @intotheunknown21 Před 2 lety

      @@scorpiontdalpha9799 I just tested 3 times vs tiger. Tiger wins 2 out of 3. I would say with pershing's ability it has a better chance of winning.

  • @metereis9198
    @metereis9198 Před 2 lety

    Wait isn't panther was a medium class tank?

    • @ehberburger741
      @ehberburger741 Před 2 lety +1

      Yes. That is a command panther though, and that is classified as heavy. Cannot field Comm Panther and KT for example

    • @metereis9198
      @metereis9198 Před 2 lety

      @@ehberburger741 interesting.

  • @Rated_a
    @Rated_a Před 3 lety +4

    gErMaNs aRe bAlaNsEd

    • @francssquare8295
      @francssquare8295 Před 2 lety

      Dude, what you expect? The Pershing is the American panther, it's obvious that it won't win against heavy German armor.
      It's like if I complained about the panther getting rekt by a Churchill

    • @armano4125
      @armano4125 Před 2 lety +1

      @@francssquare8295 but costs much more and isnt a lot stronger, the only advantage is anti inf, really

    • @francssquare8295
      @francssquare8295 Před 2 lety +1

      @@armano4125 dude, it have the anti infantry capacity of a panzer 4 or even a Tiger, and the anti armor capacity of a panther and a good mobility. I clearly see why it's more expensive than it's german counterpart. And if you combine it with with the always seen Jackson you can easily counter anything the germans can throw at you

    • @armano4125
      @armano4125 Před 2 lety +1

      @@francssquare8295 it costs same as a tiger but is weaker in performance, what are you talking about
      If you combine tiger with panzer 4 you can win against pershing and Jackson, the only advantage there might be if US player micros Jackson well into retreat the whole fight

    • @armano4125
      @armano4125 Před 2 lety +1

      @@francssquare8295 while Im not saying Pershing is too weak, since I like its mobility, I do complain about his cost or accuracy against blobs. Because thats what its designed to be effective against
      Most of my shots miss the blob and it takes 10 seconds to hit something, which usually is too late when germans push

  • @selfdescedgelord7699
    @selfdescedgelord7699 Před rokem +1

    IRL the Pershing can take on the Tiger 1 and win

  • @acefreak9561
    @acefreak9561 Před rokem

    For the sake of pure capabilities most German tanks are superior yes and it's supposed to be that way cuz that's both ostheer and especially okw's main strength USA has a great selection of units strong all around but not specialized and thus ultimately not as strong statwise still USA can absolutely steamroll an ostheer and especially an okw player if they play right and their opponent is not careful.
    Tldr German factions are made for long games thus stronger tanks. USA is more rounded and useful throughout thus lacking the over specialization of other armies

    • @LukeD02
      @LukeD02 Před rokem

      People forget that this game is balanced for 1v1 I suppose. Most players play 3v3 or even 4v4, where I personally think, 90% of the time if it goes late game, unless the allies pick very late game focused commanders and don't die in the process, the Germans have a big advantage due to something silly like panther spam which destroy literally anything in their path if they bumrush across the map. Even 2 allied tanks can easily lose to 1 panthers unless its a heavy or good medium like Comet. And no, i don't mean the garbage t34/85 which can't even kill a panzer vet 0 half the time. On maps like Lienne Forest for example, how does Relic expect you to win late game vs Germans? I guess 4v4 balance is just an oversight :D I'm not the best player but I feel like my micro and macro has improved a ton over the years of playing allied factions. Whenever you play the Germans, it's like you can chill. Anyway sorry for my ranting, just wish Relic thought a bit more about 3v3 and 4v4 but I get it, it's an RTS, the competitive scene is in 1v1 and maybe 2v2.

  • @jedrusnowak3317
    @jedrusnowak3317 Před 3 lety

    Pershing should be non doctrinal..

  • @cheesechad2826
    @cheesechad2826 Před rokem

    the pershing is an amazing tank imo, its great against anything under a panther and can also kill tigers and such, just gotta use their abilities, you cant go head to head with any german tank at all with any allied faction, only one that has a slight chance at winning is the IS2 or ISU-152, anything else cant beat tigers or anything, however match a pershing with a jackin and boom you've killed the tiger.

  • @blitzsturm5614
    @blitzsturm5614 Před rokem

    Nerf pershing pls

  • @HoninboShusaku
    @HoninboShusaku Před 3 lety

    Again 3 stars vs 5.......

    • @Fruzhin5483
      @Fruzhin5483 Před 3 lety +1

      Its great, aint it... So balanced

    • @hamzakanso5453
      @hamzakanso5453 Před 2 lety

      That's what's special about the ober, and you can get most of those tanks using jacksons :P

  • @amn2760
    @amn2760 Před 2 lety +1

    Very inaccurate

  • @user-nf6uw9cv4q
    @user-nf6uw9cv4q Před 2 lety

    Paper us tanks

  • @alfonsklapa3353
    @alfonsklapa3353 Před 3 lety

    A phanter is a med tank not a heavy....

    • @Fruzhin5483
      @Fruzhin5483 Před 3 lety +3

      Pffff hahaha, yeah keep telling yourself that.
      That shit weighs almost as a IS-2

    • @alfonsklapa3353
      @alfonsklapa3353 Před 3 lety

      @@Fruzhin5483 and yet its considert a med tank. You are an idiot if you think its an heavy tank. You cant put it in the same class as a tiger 1 or tiger 2.

    • @Fruzhin5483
      @Fruzhin5483 Před 3 lety +3

      @@alfonsklapa3353 I am sorry on what bases is it actually a heavy tank again. Because as a I pointed it out it weighs as much - 45 tonnes, as a IS2.
      Or maybe we should consider the IS-2 and ISU a medium tanks and tank destroyers?

    • @alfonsklapa3353
      @alfonsklapa3353 Před 3 lety

      @@Fruzhin5483 go google it. Thats wy you have the internet. Its med tank and thats just facts. Does not matter what you think it is.

    • @Fruzhin5483
      @Fruzhin5483 Před 3 lety +1

      @@alfonsklapa3353 It is not about what any one of us thinks. It is about what is right.
      I have pointed out my argument of why it should be considered heavy and you just sit here being like "well, the internet told me it is medium, so it must be a medium" without any critical thought behind it.

  • @MacTavishattheFronts
    @MacTavishattheFronts Před 3 lety +3

    German slapping 👋

  • @the_jingo
    @the_jingo Před 3 lety

    It’s funny how 5 Star tiger is worst than the 3 star one

    • @garipask3790
      @garipask3790 Před 3 lety +1

      vet 5 tiger it's kinda a command tank that helps nearby units by activating *Command Tiger* skill *which is buffing other friendly vehicles* but still carrying the characteristics of normal osther tigers, but the ace tiger *the vet 3 tiger* is got better reload time *i guess* better accuracy and more hp, also got a few usefull ability such as spearhead*basicly locks the turret front 90 angle but buffs your turret rotation speed and field vision* and Vehicle Crew Repair *also you can get Panzer Tactician by using Elite (Troops Doctrine) commander* but ofc the ace tiger got higher price *and pop cap* and higher CP limit to call to field

  • @anlylmaz9960
    @anlylmaz9960 Před 3 lety +2

    Pershing is better tank than tiger...

    • @volant6688
      @volant6688 Před 3 lety +2

      *You got a video as a proof but okey, I forgive you.*

    • @scorpiontdalpha9799
      @scorpiontdalpha9799 Před 3 lety

      Yeah, I think so too mostly because it is pretty darn fast

    • @volant6688
      @volant6688 Před 3 lety +1

      I forgive you too.

    • @scorpiontdalpha9799
      @scorpiontdalpha9799 Před 3 lety

      @@volant6688 No, if u think about it
      What u saw in the video is raw strength
      In battles, raw strength is not the only important thing
      Remember Allies have good tank destroyers to back up their heavies while the Axis cannot
      That is why the Pershing is so good

    • @anlylmaz9960
      @anlylmaz9960 Před 3 lety +2

      @@volant6688 ı mean in real life