Company of Heroes 2 | Pershing vs German Heavy tanks
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- In this video we will be putting the Pershing to the test against some of the strongest tanks the Axis have to offer. I also added the OKW Command Panther into the mix, just because I thought it was a worthy tank to fight against the American Pershing.
Pershing : why can't I have 1000+ hp?
German : hurr durr you have speed... you don't need more HP
meanwhile : all german heavys have blitzkrieg even the fat ass king tiger.
Preach son, same shit with us brits
Germans: her der cromwell mobile.
Yeah this doesnt mean shit when the game has such a buggy pathfind, absolutly demolishing the one thing that makes this ok.
And lets not start with the soviet armour. T-34/85 is a joke
Here's GuP logic comes to play
Meanwhile panther goes Speed racer mode and backwards speeds past everything, and destroying katyushas and calliope
@@Fruzhin5483 T-34s just miss everything
Pershing has 20% damage reduction. It essentially has more than 1000 HP but repairs faster.
Pershing imo is pretty useless. I would rather 2 shermans than a pershing because that essentially doubles the infantry buff you get from combined arms than from a lone pershing
Agree mostly I use it as bluff tactics to scare off unprepared enemies. I easily roll back the Pershing if against Heavy Tanks because I know it would easily outpowered. I would prefer a 2 Sherman and 1 Jackson if it were for fast pace attacks but everyone has their own tactics.
Historically, Panthers are a lot better than tigers in all except the side armor. I am surprised that Tigers shots do not bounce against a pershing.
@@chocolat-kun8689 panthers were 75 mm gun tigers 88. King tiger 88 and jagdtiger 128
@@bggraham83 Its not always the bigger the better. The panther 75mm has a greater penetration than the Tiger. 88 became better when it became the long 88. The jagd 128 is self explanatory. Its all about the velocity of the shell.
Don't use it is as a heavy tank and it will do wonders. It's a stronger Panther that annihilates infantry and has amazing accuracy on move, and should be used as mobile reserve/tank hunter, not as tip of the spearhead.
Pershing is more of a super medium like Panther, T-34-85 and Comet than a heavy tank.
Direct 1 vs 1 loss against heavies is just as expected.
You can say that Pershing is the strongest medium.
With heavy tank price
André Liu
/ Good sir, Pershing is a heavy tank in real life and this game.
@@Rider-lo9vt Formally. Practically it was pretty equal to a Panther, which was a medium tank. The Pershing was classified as a heavy tank mainly to boost the frontline morale. "We now have heavy tanks too!"
And after 1946, it was re-classified according to what it truly was: As a medium tank.
The american armies during the WWII period never had something that truly was a heavy tank - to their great benefit.
@@tracker7059 I mean m6a1 and m6a2 are heavy tank tho
Yeah until the speedy fking Panthers go full race car mode and flank the pershing
There's no point in buffing perishing, maybe lowering its fuel cost to be slightly higher than panthers cost. Anyway USF has good mobility, and good tank destroyers, if used correctly they can out range tigers or out flank German heavy destroyers. USF is designed to move fast and hit hard where its weak, not stand and 1v1 tigers and complain that Pershing needs a buff.
@Big R
i agree completely.
fair enough but must admit cost wise still an imbalance
@@patrickyehudatangkudung2273 U r pretty amazing being able to use a normal Sherman to fight a Panther while my 76mm Sherman refuses to pen even with HVAP on
Yeah, Pershing is extremely mobile eventhough it is a heavy
It is awesome because it can support anything from your tank destroyers to infantries push
yea the fuel cost needs to be nerfed. 230 and 630 manpower is just way too much for what is essentially a beefed up medium tank.
Maybe give the Pershing the ability to upgrade itself to the Super Pershing? This essentially gives the US a proper heavy tank.
Absolutely agree
Or another doctrine with super pershing
Good idea however it should be costly so there is maybe only one at the same time
why would you choose to just sit your Pershing like a piece of artillery when you can just move around and kite your enemy ??
@@patrickyehudatangkudung2273 cause roster isnt crap lol
Vet 4:)))))
There is a serious problem about veterancy. German heavy takes more advantages by gain veterancy.... 5 star ones very strong. You should do this without veterancy
veterancy 4 and 5 is just utility. vet 5 king tiger unlocks blitzkrieg which is useless for this demonstration
though for jagdtiger it adds extra HP but it's supposed to win against any tank regardless of anything so it doesn't matter much in that case
pershing's main design purpose is to counter german panzer V (panther). It was obvious from the start that pershing would lose every battle except than panther
Funny fact: Americans didn't fight Tigers for whole time in France, the only exception is when germans loaded 2 or 3 heavily damaged tigers on the train. While departure they were attacked by half-track.
There were plenty of Tiger II tanks though that were deployed against US forces, especially in the Ardennes.
@@tinman3586 There were. Ardennes is in Belgium tho.
What about the story of Michael wittman
@@jackaman5187 he engaged british before dying to a firefly
@@jackaman5187 AS far as I know, he was fighting against British forces, maybe Canadian infantry or some fortified positions.
Things to note about the pershing:
Stock, it has 45 range allowing it to outrange other heavies of its class(until they hit vet 2). Its range increases to 50 with combined arms.
It retains 50% accuracy on the move and is paired with Jacksons which has the same benefits. Other factions only retain 33% accuracy.
The pershing has the best AI when it comes to dealing with infantry compared to its heavy counterparts.
What it lacks in health is made up in armor. Takes 6 hits to kill, similar to a panther but with higher armor values.
Increased acceleration and speed is a big deal since the biggest threat is the panther. The Is2 and Churchill get bullied since they get outranged and don't have the speed and acceleration to quickly disengage.
Utilizing superior range and mobility is the way the Pershing gets around fighting axis heavies. Panthers have superior range compared to the pershing, but only by 5. The engagements will be close, but the panther will be at the slight advantage because of the range and blitz. Its not surprising, panthers act like TDs for the axis anyways.
all cost resources, pershing in resource wise is not good, since it costs too much to upkeep those buffs correctly, also it requires lots of micro ifu want it to survive, plus munitions to gain thos buffs while the german counterpart doesnt cost anything to upkeep costs, even in blitzkrieg tactics the german tanks have low requirements.. Pershing, needs a buff, comet also needs a buff, also blitzkrieg makes enemies fail more shots to them, which non of allied tanks have. the margin is just ff....they cannot even take out crew and that fs them upp because the cap is already there and there's no way to compensate for these cons.
also, it does emotional damage because the tanks looks so cool to suck so hard.
@@XDwpnoobImanAdult The comet was nerfed 2 years ago and for good reason, and i dont know what you're talking about upkeep cause the unvetted pershing will wipe the floor against an unvetted tiger. The pershing requires as much micro as any other heavy so I dont know what you're talking about there.
While yeah the pershing required combined arms to compete against vetted heavy tanks, thats the entire point of the doctrine. The bonuses the combined arms are insane and the pershing vet bonuses were adjusted accordingly. The doctrine was designed for all in dives and the pershing as well as the USF roster suits fits well with this. The pershign cant decrew cause thatd be exploitable and it is compensated, the pershing exchanged health for a flat 25% damage reduction so repairs are faster.
Blitzkrieg effectiveness diminishes the heavier the tank is and decreases overall accuracy of the vehicle. Its ironic that you'd be complaining about this when brits get to use warspeed for free and have hunt giving two speed buffs. The comet is in a good place now
Love the camouflage on the pershings
Funny thing real tank can shot 1000 m but in coh it can only see 50 m shoot 70 m.
doing these but having the takes on hte move is the go. Most engagements, the vehicles are moving about, reducing accuracy to varying degrees for each tank.
Comrade, its weird. I still can find pershing when play as us army. Any explanation?
@@odysseus1207 ohh, thanks comrade
What is the name of the songs you used in this video?
Germans: we took down another armored car
Some guy: it's not armored car it's American heavy tank
Germans: ohhhhhh. Wait what!!
Fun fact "Panzer" is short for "Panzerkampfwagen" which translates to "Armored battle car". The term "Tank" originated from the British who used "tank" as codename for the first tanks ever produced for ww1 to keep it a secret to the Germans. Apparently the name sticked and we still use it today. But the German can call theirs panzers or whatever.
Try doing Infantry squads next time like cons vs grenerdier
Pershing has only chance on flanks or rear, and usually nobody never buys it as it's as almost the same tank as shermans... 2x Sherman's are more effective for almost same price
But two Shermans never beat a Panther unless the German player let u do it
@@scorpiontdalpha9799 same thing with pershing
@@armano4125 lol I kill a Command Panther with a Pershing in straight up 1v1 lol
Just test Pershing vs Panther with cheat mod
@@scorpiontdalpha9799 between pershing and panther its an rng thing, due to armor
Please dont use these dumb arguments, in practical fight pershing has more focus on itself due to how armies are compositioned, and its a heavy tank you cant play around because of how vulnerable it is
A panther is a core medium tank you can spam or keep trading with opponent tanks taking a lot less risk
@@armano4125 I don't know what u are talking about
Dumb argument? Panther Spam?
U went from Pershing vs Panther to army composition and Panther Spam. Then I can say I make 2 Jacksons and 3 Rangers with Bazookas
what is the tiger 2 skin?
Relic really need to buff the Pershing
@@chocolat-kun8689 The pershing has incredible accuracy and mobility though. there is not one infantry squad in this game that would survive more than 5 seconds in the presence of the pershing. It's definitely the sort of unit you go for when you're ahead. It's not something you can call in if you're behind though, definitely better to go for a Jackson.
@@kvnen 'there is not one infantry squad in this game that would survive more than 5 sec..' Tiger and Tiger 2 "Hold my beer"
@@Rider-lo9vt the tiger is so trash. it’s not seen in high level play for a reason. a panzer iv and panther combo is simply so much better than a tiger (in most circumstances). i’m sure in 3v3 and 4v4 when there are 3-4 tigers on the field, that could be different. but i don’t play those. when i play as axis you’d never catch me using a tiger, and when i play as allies, i rarely ever see a tiger. the tiger just isn’t used because of its range. any tank destroyer; just one; can keep a tiger out of commission for almost the entire game.
@@kvnen I can mirroring you with same logic, I rarely ever see pershing, any german tank destroyer just one can keep pershing out of commission easily.
@@Rider-lo9vt there is a stark difference though. the Jackson and firefly are some of the two of the most accurate, mobile and just effective tank destroyers in the game. on top of that, the Pershing has such a high mobility as well; in other words, the Pershing moves so much faster than the Pershing so it can get out of tough situations faster. Plus, the Pershing, again, does devastating damage to infantry. but in a way you are right, the Pershing is rarely seen because it suffers the same problem as the tiger; a Sherman and a Jackson is simply so much better than the Pershing, just as the tiger isn’t used because a Panzer and Panther are significantly better.
And in CoH3 they removed all of this..
Can u try this with the pershing AP ability? Maybe then it wins the tiger 1.
@@chocolat-kun8689 i’ll test that myself
But the duel is very close even if Pershing doesn't use the special round on Tiger
So I would say there is a chance
@@scorpiontdalpha9799 I just tested 3 times vs tiger. Tiger wins 2 out of 3. I would say with pershing's ability it has a better chance of winning.
Wait isn't panther was a medium class tank?
Yes. That is a command panther though, and that is classified as heavy. Cannot field Comm Panther and KT for example
@@ehberburger741 interesting.
gErMaNs aRe bAlaNsEd
Dude, what you expect? The Pershing is the American panther, it's obvious that it won't win against heavy German armor.
It's like if I complained about the panther getting rekt by a Churchill
@@francssquare8295 but costs much more and isnt a lot stronger, the only advantage is anti inf, really
@@armano4125 dude, it have the anti infantry capacity of a panzer 4 or even a Tiger, and the anti armor capacity of a panther and a good mobility. I clearly see why it's more expensive than it's german counterpart. And if you combine it with with the always seen Jackson you can easily counter anything the germans can throw at you
@@francssquare8295 it costs same as a tiger but is weaker in performance, what are you talking about
If you combine tiger with panzer 4 you can win against pershing and Jackson, the only advantage there might be if US player micros Jackson well into retreat the whole fight
@@francssquare8295 while Im not saying Pershing is too weak, since I like its mobility, I do complain about his cost or accuracy against blobs. Because thats what its designed to be effective against
Most of my shots miss the blob and it takes 10 seconds to hit something, which usually is too late when germans push
IRL the Pershing can take on the Tiger 1 and win
For the sake of pure capabilities most German tanks are superior yes and it's supposed to be that way cuz that's both ostheer and especially okw's main strength USA has a great selection of units strong all around but not specialized and thus ultimately not as strong statwise still USA can absolutely steamroll an ostheer and especially an okw player if they play right and their opponent is not careful.
Tldr German factions are made for long games thus stronger tanks. USA is more rounded and useful throughout thus lacking the over specialization of other armies
People forget that this game is balanced for 1v1 I suppose. Most players play 3v3 or even 4v4, where I personally think, 90% of the time if it goes late game, unless the allies pick very late game focused commanders and don't die in the process, the Germans have a big advantage due to something silly like panther spam which destroy literally anything in their path if they bumrush across the map. Even 2 allied tanks can easily lose to 1 panthers unless its a heavy or good medium like Comet. And no, i don't mean the garbage t34/85 which can't even kill a panzer vet 0 half the time. On maps like Lienne Forest for example, how does Relic expect you to win late game vs Germans? I guess 4v4 balance is just an oversight :D I'm not the best player but I feel like my micro and macro has improved a ton over the years of playing allied factions. Whenever you play the Germans, it's like you can chill. Anyway sorry for my ranting, just wish Relic thought a bit more about 3v3 and 4v4 but I get it, it's an RTS, the competitive scene is in 1v1 and maybe 2v2.
Pershing should be non doctrinal..
the pershing is an amazing tank imo, its great against anything under a panther and can also kill tigers and such, just gotta use their abilities, you cant go head to head with any german tank at all with any allied faction, only one that has a slight chance at winning is the IS2 or ISU-152, anything else cant beat tigers or anything, however match a pershing with a jackin and boom you've killed the tiger.
Nerf pershing pls
Again 3 stars vs 5.......
Its great, aint it... So balanced
That's what's special about the ober, and you can get most of those tanks using jacksons :P
Very inaccurate
Paper us tanks
A phanter is a med tank not a heavy....
Pffff hahaha, yeah keep telling yourself that.
That shit weighs almost as a IS-2
@@Fruzhin5483 and yet its considert a med tank. You are an idiot if you think its an heavy tank. You cant put it in the same class as a tiger 1 or tiger 2.
@@alfonsklapa3353 I am sorry on what bases is it actually a heavy tank again. Because as a I pointed it out it weighs as much - 45 tonnes, as a IS2.
Or maybe we should consider the IS-2 and ISU a medium tanks and tank destroyers?
@@Fruzhin5483 go google it. Thats wy you have the internet. Its med tank and thats just facts. Does not matter what you think it is.
@@alfonsklapa3353 It is not about what any one of us thinks. It is about what is right.
I have pointed out my argument of why it should be considered heavy and you just sit here being like "well, the internet told me it is medium, so it must be a medium" without any critical thought behind it.
German slapping 👋
It’s funny how 5 Star tiger is worst than the 3 star one
vet 5 tiger it's kinda a command tank that helps nearby units by activating *Command Tiger* skill *which is buffing other friendly vehicles* but still carrying the characteristics of normal osther tigers, but the ace tiger *the vet 3 tiger* is got better reload time *i guess* better accuracy and more hp, also got a few usefull ability such as spearhead*basicly locks the turret front 90 angle but buffs your turret rotation speed and field vision* and Vehicle Crew Repair *also you can get Panzer Tactician by using Elite (Troops Doctrine) commander* but ofc the ace tiger got higher price *and pop cap* and higher CP limit to call to field
Pershing is better tank than tiger...
*You got a video as a proof but okey, I forgive you.*
Yeah, I think so too mostly because it is pretty darn fast
I forgive you too.
@@volant6688 No, if u think about it
What u saw in the video is raw strength
In battles, raw strength is not the only important thing
Remember Allies have good tank destroyers to back up their heavies while the Axis cannot
That is why the Pershing is so good
@@volant6688 ı mean in real life