For others out there: You can flip the wheels around (the valve stems will be on the inside) to give more offset. Most skid wheels are inset a little, so flipping the wheels inside out can offset enough.
MWE offers steel and rubber Over the Tire Tacks (OTT's) for skid steers. Our Camso rubber OTT's are an innovative solution to turn your skid steer into a track loader in minutes. Add traction and flotation to your skid steer with rubber OTT's. MWE's steel OTT's are manufactured to increase traction, expanding the environments you can operate in. Each track consists of two thick steel rails that are cast with a tread pattern for added traction.
yup i am very disappointed 2 of these 4 tires have leaked off (from where?) since they were brand new, i would air up every day without fail when i ran this machine 8 hours a day 5 days a week in the woods clearing timber, i will definitely check out the flat guard, thank you and thanks for watching!
Thanks for the update. I’ve been going back and forth on a set of these. I just upgraded machines to an s185 and I just need to pull the trigger on rubber ott. Do you have any issues back dragging since the machine sits a little taller and the bucket doesn’t sit flat?
I have 4 different buckets that I use periodically but I primarily use a 7ft low profile bucket, it has a slanted heel on it, I have not noticed any major problems backdragging with the tracks but as you mentioned they DO make the machine sit up higher, come to think of it I have not had any problems with height with any of my attachments that I can remember? I am not doing precise construction jobs like site prep with my machine it is more of a hobby for me so results may vary, thanks for watching!
@@clr1001 thanks for the reply! We do similar woods work and landscape work, but no finish grading. How much taller do the tracks make the machine? (Or how thick are they?) I’ve seen some guys downsize tire then put the tracks on. I’ve never seen a set on a machine in person, but a few online. I’ve asked on FB and all I get is “JusT BUy a tRacK MacHiNe” so I appreciate someone with actual experience answering some of my questions. 🤙🏽
@@dominicrusso4572 im going to guess about 3 inches +/- taller, my machine is in the woods right now or i would go measure it for you, if i remember i will put a tape on them tomorrow, they are fairly thick rubber over steel, they can take quite a bit of abuse but are not indestructible, i have a friend who had a t300 tracked bobcat and they used it in their cattle operation and had problems with their bogies (sp) bearings going out from being in the slop so much, these tracks are nice because it's rubber on rubber and your tires are the drive "gears", the only time i've ever had these slip on me was when i got stuck up to the belly pan with water coming in under my feet! the water in the creek i was trying to cross (too deep and i shouldn't have tried it) made the rubber on rubber slick but that's only time i can recall, 99% of the time these things have amazing traction, they do best on dry soil or slightly damp dirt, they DO turn into skis just like metal tracks on ice or on a hillside so be aware of that, you WILL slide on ice, snow, or even on frost on a hillside, save your hilly work for dry conditions, i'm running late this year with my chopping due to my other work, but usually get a lot of chopping done around the middle of august thru october-ish, springtime is usually too wet but you can do it sometimes if it stays dry, hope this helps, thanks again for watching! and i use the standard tires, i did not go to a smaller tire
I have the same 853. Where did you get the tracks? Also, I need a replacement backplate .. you mentioned having a spare. Did you buy a replacement? where?
it was midwest something i think, check my other videos, i might have put it on there? i got the replacement backplate off amazon, thanks for watching!
YES i can! This is the Quick Attach Brush Buster 72" deck Version 1 pretty sure, i MIGHT do a video of me lifting in up and standing the mower on its "nose" (front edge), i take a 4 inch grinder and LIGHTLY sharpen / touch up the blades when they get dinged up, do so at your own risk of course, it sits on that front edge for me and i've never had any problems with the mower shifting or the arms coming down, i also have one of the big nuts on one of the blades that loosens slightly with heavy use, i use a big 3/4 inch breaker bar and i think its a 1 5/8 socket with about a 6 inch extension and a big piece of pipe over the breaker bar "handle" to torque that down, i check the torque on the other nut while i'm under there and that nut never seems to need to be tightened, my mower was made for a higher flow machine and i am thinking about "downgrading" to a low flow mower that is rated for 13-17 gpm (ish), my machine i think is rated for 18 gpm, if you haven't already please watch some of my chopping videos, i've done some very heavy chopping with this higher flow mower and it seems to work out pretty well because when i hit something like really heavy brush, tall and thick grass, or small trees sometimes it will stall the pump and then i know i'm using it too hard so i back up and come at it more carefully, i believe i have saved myself large damage by running it that way, not sure how it would work for sure on the low flow pump but i think it would be OK, so you may want to consider the low flow option, Erskine is the dealer brand and Quick Attach is bought directly from the company but the salesman told me they are the EXACT same attachments, hope this helps, if you have approximately $5000 laying around for the tracks and about $8000 for the chopper and need to do a lot of chopping, overall i definitely recommend it, just make sure to check your tire inflation EVERY day you use the machine, i inflate to 65psi +/-, good luck!
also important to remember to GREASE your back roller EVERY time you use the mower, i run the mower with the front tilted up and lightly resting on the roller whenever i can, the roller adds a lot of stability on the back edge, this mower is heavy something like 1500# and the mower did develop some cracks along the sides of the pump mount on the mower and i have welded that 2x and i also have had to weld my center section on the 853 arms above the tilt cylinder 2x, please note that i cleared lots and lots of wooded areas with this machine even getting under fallen trees and lifting them and using the mower as an improvised battering ram, again do so at your own risk, i don't think this mower was meant to be used as hard as i have used it, there's Version 2 and Version 3 out now and they have a different design and no roller on the back so you have to decide what you want for sure, i REALLY like this on the farm for sneaking the deck under electric fences for our cattle operation, some of the newer designs have the push bar on the front to knock down the grass / brush and that would not work for sneaking under electric fences, please let me know if you have any other questions and i will respond when i can
Short answer: NO, Long answer: NO, I have used these rubber over steel tracks in very extreme conditions and they have never come off the wheels after 1000s of hours--if that is what you are asking? The punctures into the track have NOT seemed to affect the performance. There is some wear on the stainless rods that tie the tracks together but that is to be expected after several 1000 hours of use / abuse. The "wedge" sections that go around the tires make it virtually impossible for the tracks to come off from side to side, something would have to break in order for that to happen, I have only had them slip on me 1x front to back when I got into a creek bed and submerged the entire machine so far that I had water coming up thru the belly and soaking my feet (my UNSTUCK video), the rubber on rubber design is extremely good, there are also drive wedges / lugs on the inside of the tracks that correspond to the drive surface of the tires and they lock in quite well, I have used these tracks in snow, mud, sand, on asphalt (they will tear up asphalt just like metal tracks), on grass, and in the woods mowing brush, shearing trees, grappling brush and logs, and using the Bobcat as a skidder with a special drawbar my Dad made for the 3pt hitch plate (like a 3pt hitch on a tractor), I've said it before but I will say it again here: These tracks add about another 1000# to the machine, about 3 inches height off the ground so check your attachments to make sure they work like you want them to, another 50% +/- in stability (my estimate), and maybe 25% +/- in lift / tipping capacity, please let me know if you have any other questions and I will do my best to answer, thanks for watching!
Hello guys. I use them almoost 10 jears .i never put them of and drive evrywere . It is my 4e set. I never wil work with out them. The are top of the bill evrywer.
yes, these tracks are amazing, i paid about $5000 for the whole setup and it has been worth it, i will not work without them ever again, thanks for watching!
@THEscgman The short answer is a qualified YES. The long answer is I'm not sure what all is out there. These tracks are rubber over metal, and they add approximately 500# per side, so my 6500# machine now weighs 7500# with the tracks and about 8500# with a 1000# attachment +/-. Fully-loaded weight with a bucket full depends on the buckets because I have 6', 7', and 8' buckets for this. The 8' bucket is just for pushing snow, and the 7' bucket is a low-profile bucket. This machine was designed for a 6' bucket pretty sure, but the tracks do add more stability, and I do seem to be able to do a lot more work-wise with them on. That may not have been what you really wanted to know, but it leads up to this: For all intents and purposes, this 853 is a tracked machine now. The only moving parts on these tracks now are the actual skidsteer wheels inside the track with rubber on rubber acting as drive gears. I've gotten great wear overall on the tires and tracks, although the tracks have taken some abuse as I have used them very hard in the woods chopping, shearing trees, grappling trees and brush, and skidding logs. Pushing snow isn't generally as hard on the tracks as the woods activities are. A factory-tracked machine might have the edge when it comes to slippage when fully-submerged in water or slop because most tracked machines I've seen have a drive sprocket THRU the track slots and I don't think they can slip much. For my money, it's worth $5000 +/- for new tracks on an old machine rather than buying a new tracked machine. Hope that helped! Thanks for watching!
@@clr1001 Yes sir, that is what I was looking for. My budget won't permit $20k+ for a older used tracked machine but if I can track an older rubber tire machine that makes it more reliable in the woods, which my main application will be, then that's a win-win for me. Thanks for the help!
they DO make wheel spacers to offset the wheels and you CAN buy them so you can use your factory rims, i contacted several dealers when I was researching buying these and they were either all in cahoots or they were giving me good advice: they all said I could use wheel spacers but cautioned me about the wheel spacers coming loose from the machine hubs and creating a bigger problem, if you do it right I think it would be OK, that being said, do it at your own risk, you would be putting 8-lug spacers on your hubs and then bolting on another 8 lugs for your rims, if you torqued them down to the proper specs with some medium thread-locker on the spacer bolts it would probably be OK, I didn't want to take the risk so I went with the offset rims, I think it was about 6 3/4" offset +/-, I wish I had gotten at least another 1/2 inch offset because my tracks rub slightly on the back end sometimes and when I let my arms all the way down it does shine up about 1/4 inch +/- under my arms, it hasn't seemed to hurt anything but it does rub slightly, in 6+ years I have never had a problem with my extended rims coming loose inside the tracks, I think the wheel spacers are very heavy if I remember correctly as well, something like 50# + per wheel, I would think they would have to be to handle the torque of a skidsteer and the tracks, the manufacturer DOES recommend getting extra-wall tires for these particular tracks and they DO rub inside the tracks but it's never caused me any problems so far, also 2 of the 4 extended rims leak off and it's not a huge deal but I air up all 4 tires to 65psi every time I use the machine, again, do any of this at your own risk but I have been very satisfied with these tires / rims / tracks overall, and remember the price tag of $5000ish for the new tires, rims, and tracks at the time I bought them, good luck!
@@keithlol you are welcome, i know $5K is a lot to spend on tracks, for my purposes it was worth it, i have done some amazing things in some areas i never would have gone, especially land management chopping brush and shearing trees in remote and hilly areas, good luck
just curious, how did you get dirt and rocks packed in these tracks? mine have cleaned out very well overall? what kind of material were you in? thanks
i most likely would NOT add spacers but if I could get slightly more extended rims I would do that, there is about 1/4 inch gap between the rear "fender" on my machine and tracks, I would like to have another 1/2 inch if possible, but it's not the end of the world, these do "shift" from side to side slightly during use, they also rub on the loader arms up front when i put my boom clear down, neither is a deal - breaker, overall i still am thoroghly impressed with these tracks, thanks for watching!
I really enjoy your honesty in this video!
For others out there: You can flip the wheels around (the valve stems will be on the inside) to give more offset. Most skid wheels are inset a little, so flipping the wheels inside out can offset enough.
MWE offers steel and rubber Over the Tire Tacks (OTT's) for skid steers. Our Camso rubber OTT's are an innovative solution to turn your skid steer into a track loader in minutes. Add traction and flotation to your skid steer with rubber OTT's. MWE's steel OTT's are manufactured to increase traction, expanding the environments you can operate in. Each track consists of two thick steel rails that are cast with a tread pattern for added traction.
thank you, im pretty sure i bought these from MWE and overall they have been great, expensive but worth it IMO and experience
Flat Gard 250$ 5 gallons tub solved m’y problem . Good for all 4 tires. Mine was a new kubota ssv65 . Tires leeked air brand new
yup i am very disappointed 2 of these 4 tires have leaked off (from where?) since they were brand new, i would air up every day without fail when i ran this machine 8 hours a day 5 days a week in the woods clearing timber, i will definitely check out the flat guard, thank you and thanks for watching!
Thanks for the update. I’ve been going back and forth on a set of these. I just upgraded machines to an s185 and I just need to pull the trigger on rubber ott. Do you have any issues back dragging since the machine sits a little taller and the bucket doesn’t sit flat?
I have 4 different buckets that I use periodically but I primarily use a 7ft low profile bucket, it has a slanted heel on it, I have not noticed any major problems backdragging with the tracks but as you mentioned they DO make the machine sit up higher, come to think of it I have not had any problems with height with any of my attachments that I can remember? I am not doing precise construction jobs like site prep with my machine it is more of a hobby for me so results may vary, thanks for watching!
@@clr1001 thanks for the reply! We do similar woods work and landscape work, but no finish grading. How much taller do the tracks make the machine? (Or how thick are they?) I’ve seen some guys downsize tire then put the tracks on. I’ve never seen a set on a machine in person, but a few online. I’ve asked on FB and all I get is “JusT BUy a tRacK MacHiNe” so I appreciate someone with actual experience answering some of my questions. 🤙🏽
@@dominicrusso4572 im going to guess about 3 inches +/- taller, my machine is in the woods right now or i would go measure it for you, if i remember i will put a tape on them tomorrow, they are fairly thick rubber over steel, they can take quite a bit of abuse but are not indestructible, i have a friend who had a t300 tracked bobcat and they used it in their cattle operation and had problems with their bogies (sp) bearings going out from being in the slop so much, these tracks are nice because it's rubber on rubber and your tires are the drive "gears", the only time i've ever had these slip on me was when i got stuck up to the belly pan with water coming in under my feet! the water in the creek i was trying to cross (too deep and i shouldn't have tried it) made the rubber on rubber slick but that's only time i can recall, 99% of the time these things have amazing traction, they do best on dry soil or slightly damp dirt, they DO turn into skis just like metal tracks on ice or on a hillside so be aware of that, you WILL slide on ice, snow, or even on frost on a hillside, save your hilly work for dry conditions, i'm running late this year with my chopping due to my other work, but usually get a lot of chopping done around the middle of august thru october-ish, springtime is usually too wet but you can do it sometimes if it stays dry, hope this helps, thanks again for watching! and i use the standard tires, i did not go to a smaller tire
Great video!!!
thank you and thanks for watching!
I have the same 853. Where did you get the tracks?
Also, I need a replacement backplate .. you mentioned having a spare. Did you buy a replacement? where?
it was midwest something i think, check my other videos, i might have put it on there? i got the replacement backplate off amazon, thanks for watching!
I have the same skid steer. Can u pick up your mower attachment off the ground ? I’m looking to get the same mower
YES i can! This is the Quick Attach Brush Buster 72" deck Version 1 pretty sure, i MIGHT do a video of me lifting in up and standing the mower on its "nose" (front edge), i take a 4 inch grinder and LIGHTLY sharpen / touch up the blades when they get dinged up, do so at your own risk of course, it sits on that front edge for me and i've never had any problems with the mower shifting or the arms coming down, i also have one of the big nuts on one of the blades that loosens slightly with heavy use, i use a big 3/4 inch breaker bar and i think its a 1 5/8 socket with about a 6 inch extension and a big piece of pipe over the breaker bar "handle" to torque that down, i check the torque on the other nut while i'm under there and that nut never seems to need to be tightened, my mower was made for a higher flow machine and i am thinking about "downgrading" to a low flow mower that is rated for 13-17 gpm (ish), my machine i think is rated for 18 gpm, if you haven't already please watch some of my chopping videos, i've done some very heavy chopping with this higher flow mower and it seems to work out pretty well because when i hit something like really heavy brush, tall and thick grass, or small trees sometimes it will stall the pump and then i know i'm using it too hard so i back up and come at it more carefully, i believe i have saved myself large damage by running it that way, not sure how it would work for sure on the low flow pump but i think it would be OK, so you may want to consider the low flow option, Erskine is the dealer brand and Quick Attach is bought directly from the company but the salesman told me they are the EXACT same attachments, hope this helps, if you have approximately $5000 laying around for the tracks and about $8000 for the chopper and need to do a lot of chopping, overall i definitely recommend it, just make sure to check your tire inflation EVERY day you use the machine, i inflate to 65psi +/-, good luck!
also important to remember to GREASE your back roller EVERY time you use the mower, i run the mower with the front tilted up and lightly resting on the roller whenever i can, the roller adds a lot of stability on the back edge, this mower is heavy something like 1500# and the mower did develop some cracks along the sides of the pump mount on the mower and i have welded that 2x and i also have had to weld my center section on the 853 arms above the tilt cylinder 2x, please note that i cleared lots and lots of wooded areas with this machine even getting under fallen trees and lifting them and using the mower as an improvised battering ram, again do so at your own risk, i don't think this mower was meant to be used as hard as i have used it, there's Version 2 and Version 3 out now and they have a different design and no roller on the back so you have to decide what you want for sure, i REALLY like this on the farm for sneaking the deck under electric fences for our cattle operation, some of the newer designs have the push bar on the front to knock down the grass / brush and that would not work for sneaking under electric fences, please let me know if you have any other questions and i will respond when i can
Thank you
Did the tracks ever come out on the job? (outside the punctures)
Thank you for the review.
Short answer: NO, Long answer: NO, I have used these rubber over steel tracks in very extreme conditions and they have never come off the wheels after 1000s of hours--if that is what you are asking? The punctures into the track have NOT seemed to affect the performance. There is some wear on the stainless rods that tie the tracks together but that is to be expected after several 1000 hours of use / abuse. The "wedge" sections that go around the tires make it virtually impossible for the tracks to come off from side to side, something would have to break in order for that to happen, I have only had them slip on me 1x front to back when I got into a creek bed and submerged the entire machine so far that I had water coming up thru the belly and soaking my feet (my UNSTUCK video), the rubber on rubber design is extremely good, there are also drive wedges / lugs on the inside of the tracks that correspond to the drive surface of the tires and they lock in quite well, I have used these tracks in snow, mud, sand, on asphalt (they will tear up asphalt just like metal tracks), on grass, and in the woods mowing brush, shearing trees, grappling brush and logs, and using the Bobcat as a skidder with a special drawbar my Dad made for the 3pt hitch plate (like a 3pt hitch on a tractor), I've said it before but I will say it again here: These tracks add about another 1000# to the machine, about 3 inches height off the ground so check your attachments to make sure they work like you want them to, another 50% +/- in stability (my estimate), and maybe 25% +/- in lift / tipping capacity, please let me know if you have any other questions and I will do my best to answer, thanks for watching!
i don't know why there are lines thru my response, i hope you can read everything, i've never had YT do that before...
@@clr1001 Thank you for the detailed answer. They look like a great product.
I read it just fine. Thank you.
Hello guys. I use them almoost 10 jears .i never put them of and drive evrywere . It is my 4e set. I never wil work with out them. The are top of the bill evrywer.
Ps i live the netherlands.
yes, these tracks are amazing, i paid about $5000 for the whole setup and it has been worth it, i will not work without them ever again, thanks for watching!
Do you think this rubber tire machine will do what the tracked machines are capable of?
@THEscgman The short answer is a qualified YES. The long answer is I'm not sure what all is out there. These tracks are rubber over metal, and they add approximately 500# per side, so my 6500# machine now weighs 7500# with the tracks and about 8500# with a 1000# attachment +/-. Fully-loaded weight with a bucket full depends on the buckets because I have 6', 7', and 8' buckets for this. The 8' bucket is just for pushing snow, and the 7' bucket is a low-profile bucket. This machine was designed for a 6' bucket pretty sure, but the tracks do add more stability, and I do seem to be able to do a lot more work-wise with them on. That may not have been what you really wanted to know, but it leads up to this: For all intents and purposes, this 853 is a tracked machine now. The only moving parts on these tracks now are the actual skidsteer wheels inside the track with rubber on rubber acting as drive gears. I've gotten great wear overall on the tires and tracks, although the tracks have taken some abuse as I have used them very hard in the woods chopping, shearing trees, grappling trees and brush, and skidding logs. Pushing snow isn't generally as hard on the tracks as the woods activities are. A factory-tracked machine might have the edge when it comes to slippage when fully-submerged in water or slop because most tracked machines I've seen have a drive sprocket THRU the track slots and I don't think they can slip much. For my money, it's worth $5000 +/- for new tracks on an old machine rather than buying a new tracked machine. Hope that helped! Thanks for watching!
@@clr1001 Yes sir, that is what I was looking for. My budget won't permit $20k+ for a older used tracked machine but if I can track an older rubber tire machine that makes it more reliable in the woods, which my main application will be, then that's a win-win for me. Thanks for the help!
@@THEscgman you are welcome sir, thanks for watching!
I thought they made spacers to offset the wheels out slightly?
they DO make wheel spacers to offset the wheels and you CAN buy them so you can use your factory rims, i contacted several dealers when I was researching buying these and they were either all in cahoots or they were giving me good advice: they all said I could use wheel spacers but cautioned me about the wheel spacers coming loose from the machine hubs and creating a bigger problem, if you do it right I think it would be OK, that being said, do it at your own risk, you would be putting 8-lug spacers on your hubs and then bolting on another 8 lugs for your rims, if you torqued them down to the proper specs with some medium thread-locker on the spacer bolts it would probably be OK, I didn't want to take the risk so I went with the offset rims, I think it was about 6 3/4" offset +/-, I wish I had gotten at least another 1/2 inch offset because my tracks rub slightly on the back end sometimes and when I let my arms all the way down it does shine up about 1/4 inch +/- under my arms, it hasn't seemed to hurt anything but it does rub slightly, in 6+ years I have never had a problem with my extended rims coming loose inside the tracks, I think the wheel spacers are very heavy if I remember correctly as well, something like 50# + per wheel, I would think they would have to be to handle the torque of a skidsteer and the tracks, the manufacturer DOES recommend getting extra-wall tires for these particular tracks and they DO rub inside the tracks but it's never caused me any problems so far, also 2 of the 4 extended rims leak off and it's not a huge deal but I air up all 4 tires to 65psi every time I use the machine, again, do any of this at your own risk but I have been very satisfied with these tires / rims / tracks overall, and remember the price tag of $5000ish for the new tires, rims, and tracks at the time I bought them, good luck!
@@jumpsuitsniper7386 Thanks for all the info. I'm trying to learn as much as I can before I start spending money!
@@keithlol you are welcome, i know $5K is a lot to spend on tracks, for my purposes it was worth it, i have done some amazing things in some areas i never would have gone, especially land management chopping brush and shearing trees in remote and hilly areas, good luck
Hello . I agree joure apinion. I drive them almoost 10 jear . 4 set of tracks. The are top of the bill. 1500 hours a jear.
thank you and thank you for watching!
I had a set of those. Kept getting dirt/ rocks packed in them. Broke 2 sprockets on the internal drive Sent tracks to auction
just curious, how did you get dirt and rocks packed in these tracks? mine have cleaned out very well overall? what kind of material were you in? thanks
Would you add spacers?
i most likely would NOT add spacers but if I could get slightly more extended rims I would do that, there is about 1/4 inch gap between the rear "fender" on my machine and tracks, I would like to have another 1/2 inch if possible, but it's not the end of the world, these do "shift" from side to side slightly during use, they also rub on the loader arms up front when i put my boom clear down, neither is a deal - breaker, overall i still am thoroghly impressed with these tracks, thanks for watching!
Here not available in Saudi Arabia
unless there is an import ban, i would think you could get these but the price might be very high, thanks for watching!
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