Fallout 4 Is Better Than You Think
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- čas přidán 26. 09. 2020
- Fallout 4 is a wonderful game that came out 5 years ago, and some rather unkind things have been said about it in that time. So it's time for a proper deep dive into Fallout 4, to figure out how all of its parts fit together, and why - to my mind - Fallout 4 might be a lot better than most people think...
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The Fallout 4 release ruined my life for a while. Wherever I went I constantly saw real life items as screws, springs, circuitry and aluminium.
I was the same way with cars and Saints Row and Gta.
Ooh! There's a Mockingbird. I should jack that. I need the cash and respect. Then I would blink and go "No. That is a Toyota. And I want Funyuns. This is real life."
Not gonna lie, my mom once stopped at a red light, and the next thing I knew my hand was bumping glass because I had unconsciously tried to reach for some roadside flora that greatly resembled Skyrim's Blue Mountain Flowers. Gotta craft those health potions, man...
LMAO
The human mind is pretty fucking remarkable in that way. It learns by repetition, and the more you repeat a basic action, the more likely your brain is to take the wheel and do it on autopilot.
My SO has a green ammo container just like the ones in game. I can't walk by it without thinking there's some loot in there.
One more thing about the glowing sea:
I really liked the fact that most of the glowing sea is off the map. It really adds to the feeling that you're not supposed to be there and that's it's full of crazy secret stuff, it really adds to the foreboding and mystery.
having it down in the corner and largely off the map is a very nice little touch to it like your exploring something extra that is getting into that grey area definitely.
I've basically stopped playing fallout 4 bc I am too scared to go into the glowing sea
@@mantistoboggan1503
Bring some power armour, and an Automatron made Sentry Bot like I did, and it's a walk in the park. Just that the 'park' is heavily irradiated.
You're off the edge of the map, mate. Here, there be monsters!
@@mantistoboggan1503 in normal mode its not too scary. In survival mode ? Pray you will see sun again
For me, the fact that I could build bases on different settlements was the selling point for me. I think I've spent more time building in my settlements than playing the campaign.
Me too which is why I dread starting a new playthrough. I spent so much time patching up those roofs in Sanctuary.
Fun fact, there is a FO3 mod that was made before FO4 came out that allows base building
i find it funny how a lot of people hate settlements, i love them. if Bethesda didn't put them in people probably would have said oh fallout doesn't have enough to it.
@@demonpride1975 The thing is, its rather intrusive, the introduction to settlement building is poor and the pacing is off. So it doesnt blend in well with rest of the game and its quests, it, to me feels like an afterthought or a last minute idea.
@@orbit1894 i disagree, what i will agree with is there is to many settlements.
Finally someone who LOVES Fallout 4 as much as me, literally as deep as you're willing to get into or as shallow as you want to be, any play style is supported. I've played through where I dived into the settlement features and built up thriving independent communities with crazy structures and a robot security force and then just waited for an attack so I could watch the mayhem, booby traps insane robot guards, settlers in combat armor with high end munitions and then call in a minutemen airstrike. So much fun, then I've gone the opposite direction and just played it as a looter shooter and ran through it as fast as possible and everything in between.
One thing I learned about Fallout 4 is. You can never have too much adhesive.
Alaways bring industrial glue to school.
This is taken to a new level in 76, lmao.
Unless you build your settlements based on adhesive farms
Mutfruit, Corn, Tato then cook on a Cooking Bench "Vegetable Starch". Unlimited adhesive.
You can also create oil on the chemical bench using a myriad of items. The hardest to come by being bone, but with the DLC's you can craft mole rat traps for their teeth.
Or screws!
When Fallout 4 announce their settlement building features.
Me: I probably won't build settlements.
Also me: Oh no, I forgot the carpets, and I need lights, my settlers can't see in the dark.
I kind of came to hate the settlement building system, because I enjoyed it too much. Lots of missions and story to get through, but I'd spend DAYS maybe even WEEKS worth of real world time just working on settlements.
@@dropsofmarsarchives1823 I came to hate it when the settlement happiness bug starts happening.
@@dropsofmarsarchives1823 Same. I eventually had to forcibly put myself into my character's shoes to get moving again. "I can't leave these people with nothing, so I'll provide the basics and move on - I have a son to rescue."
My problem with the building system in both 4 and 76 is that it feels like it takes away from being a Fallout game. Jon and Bethesda would both probably say it's totally optional, but there are numerous quests in both where the only answer is to build your settlement. It also takes away from roleplay immersion if you didn't want to do settlement building. Like am I really going to leave all of these people without basic necessities? It's just how I personally feel, but if you had asked me if I would have preferred more time spent on fun locations, exploring, running, shooting, npcs, etc. or If I would prefer yet another house building simulator, I would have been much more happy with less settlements/camps and that effort put elsewhere,
@@stormtrooper7177 The constant need for tending to settlements and some of the little bugs are why I have some playthroughs where I purposely skip getting into settlements if I can help it. But even with that said I can never helping picking one place (usually not Sanctuary because it eventually gets NPC's) That i turret up heavily and put a few other things in and turn into a player home. Other settlements get built up only on games where I have that going on and only as I make sure that I can cover them in like 20 turrets so that the help alerts rarely go off if at all so I only ahve to check on them once in a while. And then I put a heck of a lot of work into them making sure that they have everything that they need. That many of the settlements have unique feels to them. That they in some way feel kept up and maintained rather than overly rundown like most settlements or building centric settlements tend to feel and all of that.
I love the Super Mutant with the mini nuke, because how I deal with them is very situational. If he's surrounded by other mutants and/or I'm fairly early in the game and still kind of weak, I'm going to hit the nuke to take out as many enemies as I can. But later in the game, I might prefer to take out the guy without hitting the nuke because he then drops a nuke that you can sell or use with your own fat man launcher. I've probably picked up 15 or 20 mini nukes that way in my current playthrough
dope
Even in the late game I can’t resist to blow him up
A couple of days ago I was facing some super mutants and the sneakers were quite controlled, until Piper fell to the ground. followed by the beep that the mini nuke makes. The worst part? I didn't know where the super mutant was, I didn't see it...he was behind me, approaching at full speed, they cornered me and I didn't realize it lol
I tried to do a playthrough of FO4. The funniest thing I ever saw in game, was a group of Brotherhood and Supermutants fighting. Two power-armor clad Brotherhood guys were around one corner of a building and this Supermutant with a mini-nuke is running up the other side of the building. They can't see each other. The supermutant runs around the corner, right into the two Brotherhood guys and spikes the mini-nuke on the ground like a football player scoring a touchdown, killing all three. The Brotherhood guys were completely surprised and didn't even fire a shot. I got a lot of new power armor parts that day.
I couldn't help but utilize Cait and have her as a companion. Unfortunately, she's been the victim of the last few mutant nuke carriers... *stimpak Cait*
I have spent literally thousands of hours playing through every possible ending and maxing out settlements and searching for every piece of lore in the game and I still get a kick when I press that new game button. Love this game.
I've watched tons of videos about the older fallout games but never played a single one. I love fallout 4 I've put thousands of hours in it also and can't wait until fallout 5. I can't stand online games so 76 is a no for me unless they made it offline and changed it to resemble fallout 4
@@nathanwhughestoo bad you'll probably wait until 2040 for fo5
@@MacrWesthopefully by then Bethesda makes a new game engine. The creation engine needs to be put down 😭
@@alexthewrecker4666the engine has nothing to do with how the game comes out.
“Every possible ending” man there’s 3 and they’re the same 😂
"a desk fan now generates a slightly concerning amount of joy" I admit, I've had that experience lol.
Playing fallout 4 who hasn’t i see screws in something or adhesive my friends look at me odd at how exited I am
I take photos of desk fans in 76. I love me desk fans.
And promptly afterwards an extremely concerning amount of rage as I realise I have 5 of them in my inventory and i need to drop _SOMETHING_ to make room for the legendary I just picked up before I take crippling damage
@@Hadgerz this is one of the most painful things you will ever need to do in a video game
Your banner concerns me
I discovered FO4 in May, 2019.
To date I have played every difficulty level (including vanilla Survival and several harder versions of Survival) in the default Commonwealth, have ventured to Far Harbour and Nuka-World, have played in Horizon mode, and am thinking about trying FROST.
I am approaching my 75th. birthday (November) and have been around computer games since the mid 1980's, both casually and professionally (retail and development).
For all its faults....and there are some which irritate the hell out of me....Fallout 4 is the most engrossing, captivating and overall enjoyable PC game that I have played to date.....and I now have almost 4,000 hours tallied up playing this game.
It's not better than I think....because I think it's brilliant. You can't get better than that! :)
have you played any of the other fallout games? I found fallout 4 the hardest to grip my interest actually, had to come back multiple times and mod it to enjoy it for more than a few hours. I actually went back to fallout new Vegas multiple times after getting frustrated by... well lots of things. the main story for one. I don't know how many hours I've put into it but I've never completed the whole main story, it's just so weak and uninspired. I have seen full playthroughs though.
as a side note if you're a firearm enthusiast like myself all the ridiculously designed guns will drive you insane. every bolt action is lefty? come on man. that's just the tip of the iceberg too. all this crafting and no reloading bench. the weapon customization was a step backwards, how does swapping out a receiver and not changing calibre make a firearm more powerful? let alone keeping a .308 barrel on a hunting rifle and using a .50 reciever and ammo, even if it could chamber a round you now have a grenade when you do fire it. don't get me started on the "magic weapons" that convert regular ammunition into explosive rounds etc. new Vegas had that too, it's called actual different ammunition. I know the series has always been a bit goofy but the guns were pretty damn reasonable for the most part. until fallout 3. new Vegas had the best in my opinion.
sorry for the rant, it is nice to hear I'm not too old for video games at the ripe age of 32 though haha. I am interested in what other games stand out to you seeing as you've been around the scene longer than myself
I tip my hat to you Mr. Newell. I’m 52 and have played video games since the early 80’s. My first game had pong, breakout & squash. Prior to the release of FO4 I mainly played sports and FPS games.
I saw Bethesda’s E3 of FO4 in 2015 & decided to buy the game. I played it for about a week & lost interest. I started playing it again a few months later, and have been playing it ever since. At the time I had both a PS4 and an XB1. I initially purchased it for PS4, and later purchased it for XB1 for the mods (they weren’t on PS4 yet). I enjoyed the mods so much that I bought a gaming PC, and bought FO4 a third time on Steam.
I’ve played FO New Vegas and Skyrim, but FO4 is by far my favorite game. Yes, it has its flaws, but overall no other game has been able to keep my interest anywhere near this long.
rigg new vegas story isnt that good neither. Go to anyone who has never heard of fallout and ask about the story of being shot in the head for a chip and reclaiming it to decide the fate of wasteland. Explorations and decision making makes up for it, 4 is strong on exploartion side while new vegas is strong on the latter.
@@guji369 Its good. Its kinda stupid premise for a story, but it well executed. Much bigger problem is fnv fanboys, who see this game as second coming of Christ and refuse to aknowlege that other fallout games did some things better, or even just good. Its probably ther worst online community i have seen in my life and this is counting shitholes like undertale or witcher fandoms and they actively ruin reputation of their beloved game by being assholes about it
@@rigg4146 "have you played any of the other fallout games?".....
Yes, FO3 and FO: NV and also FO: DUST. But nowhere near the length of time over which I have played FO4.....and *AFTER* I had already spent considerable time in FO4.
I just couldn't like them as much and I am sure it's because of the graphics and interaction via text. It was like going backwards for me because I never progressed through them. Also FO'76 is not on my list as I don't play multiplayer.
My involvement with FO4 has, as mentioned, encompassed the vanilla, totally-default game, right through to what I am now playing, which is a modded game but where those mods are aimed towards trying to lessen the amount of fantasy and create a leaning towards contextual realism.
I'll give an example.....or maybe a few:-
1. I don't use energy weapons....no lasers, no plasmas. Ballistic only. And I don't use VATS.
2. I don't use power armour. (I'll collect the fusion cells so that I can sell them).
3. I only level-up with perks which could be acquired through learning skills and/or further training. No fantasy perks at all. In essence my perks are aimed at lock-picking, hacking computers, modifying weaponry and explosives, increased medical knowledge and the basic S.P.E.C.I.A.L. attributes, which I have increased over time to maximum.
So that's a broad-brush look at how I approach the game. :)
18:00 Fallout 2 is probably my favorite CRPG of all time. One of the most mortifying things about that game is that I'm finally about to hit the age limit in the character creation. I started playing this game when I was 11. 35 is the age limit. Soon my character will be younger than me, no matter what.
When you have kids they will carry on the tradition
I know the feeling . I bought Fallout 2 in a stack (same stack I got my other favorite game VtM:BLoodlines) at a yardsale in 2005 when I was 14 and it was my first fallout. I'm just past 32 and the creep is getting to me even more than the aging of my own children.
Fallout 1 and 2 is horrible, idc what all these boomers say.
@Jason Voorhees Horrible? Do you not find any redeeming qualities to either game whatsoever? Fallout 1 is my favorite game, so I'm always curious to hear from people with different perspectives what they dislike about it.
@@jasonvoorhees5518 Why do you think they are horrible?
I think my only issue with settlements is that it affected the actual quantity of populated places to visit in favor of the player making their own. I wanted more goodsprings and Megatons in fallout 4 but it seems like they want you to build those things but im not very good at building and random settler 46 won't be as interesting as any of those minor settlement characters.
Yeah it would have been way better if there were less settlements and more towns. I had fun building one settlement… no desire to build more than one though.
But it’s supposed to be post nuclear. Having a lot more settlements in need of repairing makes some narrative sense than a populated well built world.
@@Syllablewhar then there's me: survival playthrough spending dozens upon dozens of hours building strong communities in settlements hehe
i don't get the point to wanting places like good springs or primm, not to be that guy but they weren't all that interesting, all they did was give you a tutorial. but you had 1 quest and that's it, after that you would never go back there again. after i left primm and finished the quest there, i never went back. that's not fun that one space is being used all the time vegas, where as 4 uses everything, and there is point to going back to all settlements.
I absolutely loved the settlement building but I do think they could have done more with it. There’s a mod called sim settlements which is really cool because you can build normally, lay plots out and have your settlers build something on that plot or assign a settlement manager to just build the settlement. It was cool to go back to settlements to see what they had built themselves. I hope we still have settlement building in the next game but maybe have some of those things elements we find in that mid, so if you don’t like building you still have more of a reason to go back to those settlements and see what your people are up to.
Jon: Fallout 4 has better factions than New Vegas.
Comment section: *THE CAESAR HAS MARKED YOU FOR DEATH, AND THE LEGION OBEYS. READY YOURSELF FOR BATTLE!!*
But fallout 4 power armor layout is better than fallout 3 any day and new vagas just needs a whole of America world eg if ya know you know the story tellers travels
It's okay, I have speech 100, I'll just talk them down
*Fallout Community:*
Reputation- Vilified
Haro Yemon [Success] Fine, we’ll leave you be for now. But we’re keeping our eye on you, never forget that!
@@averyaustin1 *voice over* and as the legion marched off to search for a new target, they were never heard from again, the last anyone saw of them was a half dead legionnaire speaking of gods attacking from the sky, he passed shortly after, due to his wounds. (Sorry couldnt help it, might have been a bit long winded lol)
"Oh no...."
OH YEAH! (nukacola colored power armor pain-trains through the wall)
Hahahah!
10/10
I've seen this before...
That was way funnier than it deserved to be XD
digifalc0087
Who cares? Laughter is good to spread.
This video made me give fallout 4 another chance after getting bored during valentine's quest and boy, Jon really knows how to make you exited to discover and fight through the commonwealth. Hats off to you sir!
Oh you mean when you have to collect all those tapes in order to find Eddie winter? Yeah I agree that one was extremely tedious. Nick valentine is my favorite companion in the game but that quest really irritated me. However that’s the curse with every fallout game. Each one has to have that annoying back and forth fetch quest. The worst one for me was the brotherhood quest line in new Vegas. Don’t get me started on the vault layouts in the game. Ugh I get a migraine just thinking about it lol 😂
He knows how to dishonestly lie and manipulate an argument.
@@BiggusDickus609how to say you didn't watch the video without actually saying it:
@@MirrorHall_Clay I watched the whole video. He poisons the well and uses straw man’s to defend his argument.
@@MirrorHall_Clay I also have 3000 hours in FO4. I am very qualified to shit on the game
Another detail I love about the death claws is that they zigzag around trying to avoid getting shot to close in space and they have animations where they can pick you up and stab you or throw you on the ground
Just they had more health and damage to go along with that. They’re so hyped up in the gamr but then they die to a couple shots to the belly
@@telphex4471 that's why I find it a good thing to periodically bump up the difficulty level of the game when builds start picking up steam , that way the game can keep a degree of fun and challenge while you also don't have to slog through an early game where every enemy's stats are bloated above reason
I thought the AI wasn't very good until I started getting flanked and pinned down by other raiders. Turning the difficulty up is worth it for intense gun battles and creature encounters.
@@AlexT7916 That's why I like survival mode, enemies are as powerful as they ought to be, a raider can kill you in 4 shots, but you can kill a raider in 3, deathclaws can one shot you and are appropriately tanky and deadly, super mutants are dangerous but stupid, so outplaying them makes them a piece of cake. Only the automaton DLC is poorly balanced in my opinion.
@thychozwart2451 agreed. Specially in the Mechanist dungeon. There's a stupid amount of robots and the fact that there's almost no cover and no stim packs or aid ítems to loot make the dungeon even More frustrating. When i reached the final part, i had to almost glitch myself into a corner and try to take the hordes of bots from there bc i ran out of stims. And i took like 30 with me!
Remember everyone: "Better than you think" does not mean "best in the franchise."
Jon said that the video is to help develope a new sense of appreciation for Fallout 4's strengths.
Just felt like that clarification is needed for some potential dislikers.
Edit: If you disagree with the video's points then power to you. I did not say anyone is forced to agree with Jon. I must emphasize again that I was focusing on the title's actual meaning as well as the purpose of the video itself.
Knowing how "passionate" fans of this franchise is including myself. I wanted to add the additional clarification in the comments, because we all know that one guy who would completely misinterpret what is being said.
Fallout 4 is better than I thought.....it's still terrible but y'know, now it's slightly above dumpster fire.
I straight up disagree with the legendary system and leveling system tho.
It's better than fallout 3 at least.
YEA it's gud fun
Lol ok Boomer, New Vegas go Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
"You can exit out of VATS"...
And conversations! Seriously, that is great. There's another settlement tha... see ya Preston!
The conversation part is important to me, it made the walls of text a character may say actually meaningful to listen to. A individual may say 50 lines of dialogue but it is also important that one knows their surroundings while doing this.
I find that mechanic more irritating than anything else. Having to constantly restart conversations because an NPC wont stand still or another NPC pushes the one im talking to away breaking the conversation forcing a restart. Yeah, lets pretend this is the first time we've spoken...for the third time.
@@SvendleBerries It is possible to use this to your advantage though. There are multiple points in the game where talking to someone could lock you into diologue choices that make someone go hostile. If you start a conversation by accident, or realize you are currently not in fighting shape for whatever reason (something that can be extremely frustrating in survival) you can interrupt the conversation and often either walk away entirely (which doesn't always make sense, but there are instances where i have done it to get out of a fight with someone who would become hostile had i finished the conversation) or at least have time to enter the pip boy and equip proper gear/weapons/use chems, something you could realistically do while a person is talking.
@@FestorFreak And while most people may not think to simply walk away from conversations most of the time (as they've been conditioned by other games to go through with the conversation), walking away actually sometimes leads to unique quest conclusions, or interesting dialogue from NPCs.
I do love that conversations happen in real-time now. It can be a bit irritating (or immersive, depending on your outlook), but even though the dialogue is simpler and less meaningful, Fallout 4's conversations are a lot more fun.
I mean this in the best way possible, you make every game you play so fun, and I bought Vampire Survivors, Legacy of the Rogue Two, got Tale of Two Wastelands set up by the end of my first watching of your first episode of it, and you always say such compelling, thoughtful, and positive stuff backed up by facts that I can't help going back to the Fallout Series or Skyrim. It's beautiful and I'm just so glad to have been subbed for probably ten years now (maybe 7-8 but it's been AWHILE) and thank you for the mountain sized catalogue of your content that I can enjoy, from your video essas, to your playthroughs of everything from Bethesda main streams to Crusader Kings, I love it all. Thank you and much love
The minuteman are my favorite faction and I wish they had more unique missions and the settlements can become places like Diamond City. I also wish they would be stronger end game and that the castle walls would automatically repair to it’s former glory. I also think that if a settlement has a lot of defense, then their would be no quest to hunt down a raider base
I like how in fallout 4, deathclaws have an unusual weak point. Crippling their legs can stop them, but it heals quickly. However, their tail is big, and easy to target. Taking the tail makes them slower, and stumble all over the place, because just like real reptiles, the tail is used for stabilization. So naturally, taking the tail out makes the deathclaw disoriented
The tail, Arisen! Attack the tail!
@@ananousous my ptsd just kicked in
@@mike-7684 the tail is severed!
@@ananousous what an underrated game
@@mike-7684 fr. A damn shame we got a NF adaptation instead of a proper sequel...
A damn shame...
"you'll feel relieved when you hear a vertbird"
Fallout 2 npcs: YOU WON'T
Not nearly enough Fallout 4 fans will get this comment but it’s gold!
The Restoration Mod for FO2 is amazing because after you jerk around the Comms Officer from Poseidon Energy, you’ll run into an Enclave Patrol you have to persuade in order to escape without violence.
You will feel relieved when you hear a lightsaber
Battle droids: YOU WONT
Fallout 1 and 2 would be perfect games for a remaster :)
When i hear a vertibird in fo4 i always run to help them because these idiots are gonna die from fighting like two ghouls that just throw their pre-war shit at them
“Hey, we’re looking for some asshole who shit talked our CO over the radio, did you see him around here?”
“Oh I wouldn’t know anything about that.”
I fell in love with 4 because I started playing it during a severe bout of depression in my life (to the point where I was thinking of joining the choir eternal). The underlying message of hope kind of got to me and starting to sink in. After I installed an alternate start mod, I created a character who was also in a dark point in her life, being an escaped slave, that it kind of started making me want to continue on as well. I've played Fallouts 2 through 76 (excepting Brotherhood of Steel and Tactics), and while I view them all as good in their own way, 4 holds a special place in my heart for that experience.
My experience with hope faded away after 4 hours of setelment biulding and forgetting the main story
@@khornebeserker798 Bumer
If you ever find yourself in that dark place again PLEASE remember. We need you.
I’m playing this for the first time since it was released, and I’ve realised I missed so much the first time round. It’s such a huge game, I’m 200 hours in and I’m no where near finished, I didn’t realise just how big the world is! I love the gun mods, building settlements, and just exploring the huge world.
The only issue I’m having is it keeps crashing on my series S, it’s so frustrating because I love this game so much and it’s been great to play it at 60 fps, but the crashing is killing me.
My issue was that I was way into settlement building and they just got to big for the game to handle. The frame rate would drop to nothing or just straight up crash. I could not *at all* fast travel to or from Sanctuary or Red Rocket with the game crashing.
i managed to alleviate a surprising amount of crashing by making sure i don't use the quicksave feature and instead manually saving in the same save file. idk why or how this worked but it reduced the crashes a LOT for me.
When I switched to pc, the crashing stopped.
my man's talking about ludonarrative harmony in fallout 4 while doing a stealth mission in power armor with a flames paintjob
That's a consequence of RPG systems taken to their extreme, and earlier games were *much* worse for that.
In Fallout 1 and 2, explosions are quieter if you crouch.
Clarifying edit: That's not a whataboutism, the point I was trying to make is that Fallout 4 can have ludonarrative dissonance but still be working in the right direction. You aren't going to fix every problem overnight.
Never change Jon
@@louisvaught2495 your character makes the sounds
Well I never knew you could attack the fusion cores for extra damage...I just would shoot everything in the head thinking that was Max damage..lol
Louis Vaught how the heck do you crouch in Fallout 1 and 2?
Over 800 hours into fallout 4. Still don't know how it ends.
the end is rubbish.. i did it twice and now i never bother finishing the game.. in fact the commonwealth is more interesting with all the factions alive and therefore i never go past that bunker hill battle..
Oof
I've got about 800 hours in it, and i just finished the main quest for the first time.
@@RetroRockGamer i finished the game for the first time at level 35 with 4 days of time in the save
Close to 3000 hours and I still haven't finished the main quest either... game-breaking bugs always end up forcing me to restart.
Why have I played it for so long? I don't know, why do people stay in abusive relationships?
Jon, this Video: "You'll find yourself very relived when you hear the sound of an approaching Vertiberd."
Jon, in Fallout 4 YOLO: "Oh cocking hell not another vertiberd! Go away you exploding bastard!!"
Everything changes during a YOLO.
In some of my playthroughs, the sound of a vertibird approaching is a welcome boon that further solidifies my chances of winning the current engagement. Other characters get a chill down their spine as they ready themselves to go to to toe against the most competent military in the commonwealth (even more so with tougher vertibird mods). I really enjoy their presence in the world, except for when they glitch out and do weird things... but then that could be said of almost any aspect of the game.
When I hear vertibirds, I sit back and watch it inevitably crash to the ground within the next few minutes
@@EmperorAmbroseIt's good for a laugh whenever you just wanna watch the pilot try to Pearl Harbor a Bloodbug.
If you applied 4's gunplay, graphics, and build mechanics to New Vegas's writing, character creation freedom, and overall themes, you would have the BEST fallout game to date, and a very very tough campaign to beat.
And fallout 3s open and amazing world
@@Sisyphus599 Ahahaha, no.
@@markusala-turkia3079 Come on, fallout 3's world is so much more thematically interesting to explore. I get that new vegas is supposed to be a desert, but even then some of the locations feel unfinished
@@joeg2jerry20 because is it
@@joeg2jerry20 oh course some locations feel unfinished, they only had 18 months to do everything. Fallout 3s world also has a ton of locations that just don't have anything.
Talking about the enemies, robots, and other games' "bullet sponges", I was recalling one thing that made Fallout 4 stand out to me apart from 3 or NV, in one example in particular.
I began to fear the Sentry bots. Y'know, those big, tanky, devastating things that could shred you in five seconds if you're not careful? In the other games, to me at least, they were just... tougher robots. In 3, my reaction was to pull out my assault rifle and hope I had enough ammo- but the same was true for most enemies. New Vegas, my strategy was to sneak around and Robotics Expert it into shutting it down- again, also my strat for ALL robots.
In Fallout 4, I saw this thing in action, and my thoughts were, "Oh f***, I need to book it." It was big. It was intimidating. It wasn't just another robot, it was a piece of mobile and semi-sentient artillery! It was different to anything else in the game, and I LOVED it! Robots were all the same to me until 4 came around. It made each one unique and interesting... and then they did even MORE! The Mechanist DLC gave robots even more layers, advantages, strategies, and personalities than I could have imagined possible from just playing the other games.
Yeah that's 1 thing like about 4 different ro ots equal different strategies
Shit, Fallout 4 made the _protectrons_ (especially the legendary / high level models) intimidating
I didn't take that route when I ran into one the first time, I instead said "yeah I've got the bullets!" I got smeared halfway across the Commonwealth.....
The sentry and the assaultron for me. The first time I came across one was "oh, a humanoid robot, this'll be easy" and saw how fast they were and that freakin laser absolutely annihilated me. I was dumbstruck. When I came across the one in Goodneighbor I was like "better not piss this one off" xD
Yeah, robots definately have a unique spin or quirk more so than the old verisons in 3 and NV. Hell I didn't even know Protectrons had an arm weakness strat till this vid.
Spended hundreds of hours in fallout 4, did tons of quest and made every settlement unique and as beautiful as I could. LOVE THIS GAME SO MUCH!
Me too....but spend_ed_?
@@PricelessBinkey1337 not everyone is a native speaker, and if you have 2 digit iq then you'll know that he meant "spent"
@@anon1963 if anyone is at all fluent in sarcastic and teasing natured comments one would recognize I was teasing. Thanks for your needless criticism, especially considering there's not any indication of it being his second language, i.e. other typos. (Actually a little racist if you think about it)
So, cool story bro? You tell it at parties? Get you all the ladies? Standing up for people who didn't even bother to correct me themselves..your life must be...boring to say the least.
@@PricelessBinkey1337 lmao found twitter user
@@anon1963 lmao, a wild twat has appeared!
LOGIC, I CHOOSE YOU!!
I sunk 200+ hours into Fallout 4. It's a great addition to the franchise.
Doc Mitchell: "I'm slow to embrace new ideas"
"
Us fallout fans: Strongly agree
Lowco5 Love the Caesar Legion pfp because their ideology is both a new idea but also an old one at the same time
OOF! plus 5 bonus for burn damage. Even I'm willing to admit Fallout 4 is a good game but.....well I think jospeh anderson said it best "fallout 4 is 2 games, one is an rpg, the other is a open world shooter" something to that effect his video does it better. That said it has its major flaws, dialoge system, the main story being so forgettable that angry joes skit in his review is 90% accurate, PRESTON ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP GARVY! Y THE FUCK DO WE RESTORE THE MINIUTEMEN RAIDO STATION IF PRESTION STILL INSISTS ON GIVEN US QUESTS! on top of that preston actully has spesific quests (the ones where you place the radio beacon after clearing a settlement). That is the ONE instant where the whole "narrative harmoney" argument falls apart, otherwise jon in correct in that regard.
Monke Man ya I love Caesar legion because it reminds me of The imperium of man from warhammer
Just because an idea is new doesn't mean its better.
Lucious Well if I say that about politics, I am deemed a bad guy
I am not saying that I agree or disagree with you, but I surely appreciate the fact that you can make me see things from another point of view.
Kings and Generals commenting on...a video by Jon? A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Favourite history channel meets favourite gaming one. Game recognises game.
@@flynn659 love his videos. The podcast, too :-)
Lmao wild
@@KingsandGenerals You guys should partner on a Total war video or something!!! Or a podcast on Ancient Greece!!!
It’s nice to see a positive take on fallout 4. I feel like the game for all it’s flaws also has a lot of strengths that are rarely talked about
The stunted VR version is also quite a treat. Once you get used to the controls it really embellishes the experience.
There's one good reason, and that is:
_THEY CALL ME THE WANDERER, YEEEEAH THE WANDERER, I ROAM AROUND AROUND AROUND AROUND AROUND AROUNDAH_
I ROAM FROM TOWN TO TOWN
@@izukurinnvarris7797 AND I'M AS HAPPY AS A CLOWN
Best song in fallout 4
@@iansmith5052 No doubt about it my dude
@@deviouscat4571 Johnny guitar is the new rickroll
Even 5 years later, I'm having a heck of a time with that game
if it had the writing of New Vegas it would be one of the best fallout games
@@casualbeluga2724 It’s moreso the writing than the system, although that matters too.
Yup
I agree, F4 is arguably my top replay game. It's still fun to me over 5 years later
Im level 20 and ive been having a blast. Ive made many mistakes but i swiftly learned and corrected them lol. I also hate night time and love skipping time till its light out before traveling lolol
People say Skyrim and Fallout are as deep as a puddle but I've never had more fun just exploring the world than I have with these 2 games.
That’s proving the point my friend. As wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle. There’s an awful lot to see and do, but it barely has any depth to it.
@@NotoriousMinion only it doesn't at all. You're grasping at straws really, really hard right now but you need validation that you're right, correct? Skyrim and Fallout 4 are fantastic games and too many people shit on them simply because it's the popular thing to do. They're both deep games, just in a different way than the previous games are. They may not have the same complex dialouge system in place but the combat, the world, vats, armor system, gun customization, the perk system, are all deeper now. (Not all of them just off the top of my head) With all this said, please know that we know, you're wrong when you say these games aren't deep. Keep trying to convince us though 🥴 we're here for it.
@@coryhamilton936 Nice red herring, you didn’t even attempt to address my points. I’m talking about the world and quests, not game mechanics. So yes, you have proved my point. Get back to the conversation.
Also the perks in FO4 are straight trash, all that was done better in FNV. Where are the traits that have trade offs? The world is bigger, but again has absolutely no depth to it whatsoever. Power armor being modular… that’s that much of a plus? You’re stretching there. Also VATS has been dumbed down since FO2 my friend. Nonetheless this is all a red herring since we are talking about the world, which has absolutely nothing to it.
Also, you gotta stop talking like the most stereotypical troll ever. It’s really quite pitiful. Saying ‘we’ and ‘us’ when you’re the only one here on your side makes you sound schizophrenic for example.
@@coryhamilton936 Also, calling the combat ‘deep’ in Skyrim and FO4 is an absolute joke. You get a weapon and use it on an enemy, there’s no depth.
Also, Fallout is a series about its deep world, quests, role-playing, choices, and dialogue. FO4 isn’t actually Fallout, it’s an action-exploration game. Doesn’t make it a bad game, but a terrible Fallout game. You don’t know what you’re talking about so I’m unsurprised you don’t know what Fallout is whatsoever.
@@NotoriousMinion Then don't like them man, good for you. This is like arguing with a child, one that can't handle anyone having a different opinion. I think both games are fantastic so I could honestly care less if you ever decide to play them again or not, I know I will be. Have a great day 😀
You should really consider doing more of these video essays. I've listened to nearly all the ones you have, and even if I didn't always agree with everything you said, they were all incredibly well done video essays. I love your standard content and all, but I do feel like your sitting on quite a talent here.
as a person new to the fallout franchise who started with fo4, i must say i found it hilarious when jon mentioned that finding a desk fan generates a slightly concerning amount of joy. i experienced exactly that :D
I found myself seeing a fan IRL and getting the strong urge to pick it up.
@@Safetytrousers I had the same feeling when I saw a pack of duct tape in my friends garage
Same 😆
@@Safetytrousers ooh adhesive!!!I stare at anti freeze bottles now
@Ben Daniels 😆 Same then get angry at the game psychics because it's being stupid then the spawn in 🙄🙄
My main beef with fallout 4 is the dialogue. There are so few dialogue choices and oftentimes they are the same choices or black and white choices. I don’t have much of a say in what I want to say. It’s very frustrating.
Accurate name is accurate.
That is probably the biggest problem tbh. The tangibility of the Brotherhood coming in is contrasted with the lack of tangibility in many of the quests, which is a frequent complaint I've seen.
However, I think the trade-offs are worth it. If Fallout 76 wasn't such a disappointment, they easily could have iterated on this issue, while keeping many of Fallout 4's stellar design choices.
that is a product of having every choice voiced
It's pretty similar in 3 from what I remember, you can generally be just an asshole and most people think you're swell
To be honest the black and white dialogue choices were not a problem for mainly because I can never bring myself to be a bad person in a fallout game other than when I test out an option than reload a previous save
Great video bro, thanks. It could really use some time stamps though to make it easier to find certain information we are looking for 😃 👍
Using junk as a way to pay closer attention to the world is such a wonderful point. I don’t think I’ve ever paid as close attention to the detail of a game world as Fallout 4. Even RDR 2 where I really spent time staring at things.
All together now....
*"I've had my eye on this one for a while!"*
Like, this video has been so long coming. I love these video essays.
He did not say that. So you just posted cringe bro.
Robin der Gerechte? Is everything okay man? Do you need to talk to somebody?
@@CARILYNF Take is Easy dude. Did i insult your mother?
@@MrVonSir Nah, you just posted cringe.
@@QueenFondue Yeah so what are you a detective or something buddy. Btw i been trying to reach you dad. He didn't give me a reach-around last booty call. Very ungentle-man like. no respect.
A single tear of happiness falls down Todd Howard’s face.
Which he wipes away with a handful of money.
Can't wait for him to add Skyrim as a Pip-Boy holo-game inside the next Fallout.
“Now they see... that it Just Works....”
@@SkandiTV You need to ask Microsoft about that now... :)
Someone needs to show Todd this on Twitter or somehow..
Fo4 makes me wish. They'd offer a offline version of 76.
I'm playing FO4 for the 1st time now and having a blast. I'm honestly glad I never played 3, it's almost like having played the previous entry is a prerequisite for hating FO4 and I like liking the game. Lol
When Jon said that he would get to some parts of the brotherhood later, i was confused cause there didnt seem like enough of the video left to talk in depth about it...but now i see, very sneaky Jon.
"Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the only biome that Bethesda have ever created that's specifically designed to get you to not enter it and then chase you out if you make the foolish decision to come in regardless." You forgot about Morrowinds Red Mountain which functions almost exactly the same at the Glowing Sea. Oppressive, stormy environment that is hazardous just to stand in and is full to the brim with dangerous enemies yet also hides some great loot and dungeons. Both games also require you to venture into said environment to complete the main story.
smaller but vault 87 I think was the same concept, fallout 3
Marrowind was really good, in it's day.
I tried to play it, but it was just too hard to get into the mechanics that disappeared after it. Like the no quest markers, I kept getting lost making the game so very difficult.
Socucius Ergalla I have the feeling that you are desecrating the image of Lord Dagoth with that disgusting imperial dog’s face
Jokes aside, getting into the Red Mountain region unintentionally because of the tunnel path to it from Sixth house stronghold you raid in the main quest was surreal to me. It’s quite a nightmarish area
Fallout 1 had a rad hole and a cyonic death maze
Gilhelmi if you haven’t played (and loved) Morrowind back in the day, then it will be really hard to get into it. If you did play it and love it, then you can get used to it pretty quickly. The no quest marker thing is rarely a problem. NPCs don’t move around much and most quests give you such a specific description or the area in question is usually so small, that usually you won’t have a problem with finding what you are looking for.
Between survival mode and mods(I play on PS4, so 4 is the only one I can play with mods), Fallout 4 is quickly becoming one of my favourite games in the whole series.
On my current character I’ve modded the game to be a TWD-style zombie apocalypse game(all zombie walkers mods, ghouls of the commonwealth, followers extended(use settlers, *not* companions) and a few others), added half a dozen or so more settlements, and I’m playing it on Survival difficulty with the goal of retaking Quincy. It’s ridiculously difficult, it makes settlements absolutely vital instead of just a nuisance, and it’s legitimately one of the most fun experiences I’ve had in a video game.
I don’t give a damn what anybody says says, fo4 is one of the best games ever. The settlement system, and building in general, is genius. Being able to literally change the world I’m playing in and create my own back-stores and lore etc was so cool.
W..what?
@@ElMachoMucho I said, what I said. Xoxo 5 star reviews
@@ElMachoMucho it's called having an opinion different than the internet hivemind
I agree...ignore the haters and play the game you love the way you want to play
Yes it is similar to that of DayZ type of RPG, it all depends on how much "YOU" create the character and interact with the world. The faction interaction isn't as strong as FNV but beside that there isn't that much restrictions really like in dayZ, if you go around and you feel it's empty, then you haven't really invested yourself into the potential endless opportunities for deep self-created RPG and F4 is a big enough world to do that.
I like how the Brotherhood of Steel is a perfect example of imperialism.
"I see your community has some cool stuff, so we've decided you can't be trusted having it."
The whole world shall know of our peaceful ways, BY FORCE.
BoS aren't capitalists. Imperialism is about forced expansion and growth into new capitalist markets. BoS whole mission is to limit growth to avoid another nuclear war. You're just calling them imperialist because they're not PC and imperialist is a PC scary word. We can dislike their behavior but that doesn't make it imperialist.
@@ChevalierdeJohnstone not quite true BoS want to limit the growth of any other faction, but they want their own Faction to Expand and be the only one with technology as only they can be "Trusted" with it. its might not be capitalism of money they are after, but the want the monody of technology for themselves.
there is a pretty decent chance the Prydwens own power source was stolen from Rivet City making an entire community homeless and or trapped in the Carrier.
@@ChevalierdeJohnstone You can have an empire without capitalism. You can have a command economy empire like U.S.S.R. Or a bandit empire like the Mongols which is somewhat similar to the Brotherhood
@@klaykid117 tell that to the Romans.
After playing fallout 4, I get concerningly excited when I see a roll of duct tape.
Wait, you just praised something about Fallout 4. New Vegas fans say that's illegal
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 lmao
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 Literally dude, someone made a fallout 4 reference on the comment section of a video about new vegas, and people just started dissing the game out as though it lacked anything good
That game really made junk into more than just junk
@@nickrustyson8124 I feel if it's one thing the game did perfect it was that scrap actually had a point.
In an era where the Bethesda Fallouts receive so much hate, it's hugely refreshing to find someone who actually defends them and argues on their behalf
Yeah, I'm so tired of the obsidian shill neckbeard horde
I am just now playing Fallout 4 for the first time. After many many years of lots of people telling me its not that great. I am SERIOUSLY surprised how much fun I am having playing Fallout 4 on Survival difficulty. How intense the gun fights are. How much fun sneaking around is and how scary it is to get caught by a group of enemies. I legit have no idea why people have told me its not that fun for so long. Sure the writing is bad some times hilarious at others though.
At its core Fallout 4 IS FUN and thats what games should be. It actually feels like playing skyrim for the first time all over again.
Try it in VR :) Even more fun!
The weakness of F4 is the dialogue. The amount of times all dialogue options lead to the same thing is frustrating. There’s way fewer options in dialogue and they are much less meaningful
Definitely, in one of the interesting sidequests both charisma option led to the character committing suicide. Felt totally robbed
Yeah, what it gained in gameplay freedom/gun upgrade etc, it lost in story, dialogue etc :/
I disagree. Fallout 4's dialogue is about giving you character a personality and attitude toward things they experience traveling the common wealth. Most of the choices you make in F4 are done in actions not dialogue.
Yes, this put a huge damper on the entire game for me. It made it feel shallow.
Not just dialogue, the roleplay aspects are barebones, from the perks and level cap, to the main character itself, it gives little room along with the lack of consequences.
"You can get stale by staying in one spot." Says the man who has sold me Skyrim enough times that it should embarrass both of us.
I'm gonna say what might just be a hot take and say that I'm fine with Bethesda porting over Skyrim to literally everything that can manage it (Skyrim for Android when Todd?) Because well, that's pretty much just getting the game out to everyone. I don't think it's a scummy business decision, since well, nobody is forcing you to buy the exact same game again for two different platforms, and I don't think it's an egregious fan decision since well, Skyrim is really fucking fun. If you bought the exact same game on your NVIDA smart toaster and iTissue Box and complained "WHY IS TODD HOWARD SO EVIL!?" then frankly, I don't think Todd is ripping you off so much as you're an idiot with no self control. What the fuck did you expect was gonna be different between Skyrim for the Phillips CDI and Skyrim for Arcade? Nobody ever stopped to think "Hmmm, I already have Skyrim for PC and that's perfectly fine, so I don't need to buy it for my Lego set"?
but they are not making a new game, they are just enhancing an already existing game, he is referring to making a new game, and it being very samy.
I have bought Skyrim 4 different times & have 5 versions on 4 different platforms. 2 on PC because SE came for free from owning the original on PC. Original on 360 & SE on XB1. & then I bought the Switch version for portable. I don't regret it one bit. Also, ironically enough, I own more copies of the game than the amount of times I have actually finished the main quest. Alduin is still out there somewhere.
@@BraddahSpliff you and I are kindred spirits
@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor the problem is they haven't released a new elder scrolls game in 10 years but they are releasing a 10 year old game again and again... then they released a shitty mmo that is just not good at all.
I think one of the most beautiful details of the glowing sea is that the vast majority of the still standing trees all stand at the same angle, pointing closely to the crater where the bomb fell.
Subtle, but something that I absolutely loved.
Rewatching this again, I wish I could like this video repeatedly 😂
Got to love the thought, time and effort Jon put in❤
the thing i didnt like about Fo4 is the "go here and massacre everyone quests", having the minutemen as the failsafe faction, not enough skill/special checks. otherwise i liked the game
Yea I completely agree
Those are the same things I don’t like as well I also don’t like that they removed karma and didn’t put in reputation so you can do something against a settlement then the next day they won’t try to kill you and will just forgot it so there aren’t consequences for some things except in the main missions
@@parkypoo45 if they can combine fo4 mechanics & gameplay with NVs questline and narrative it would be a goddamn masterpiece i tell ya
urmamaisnoob yea you are right it would be perfect. Now that I think about it with Bethesda being owned by Microsoft and Obsidian also being owned by Microsoft there is are higher chance of that happening or at least I hope
@@parkypoo45 oh shit! i totally missed that fact. im all aboard the hype train now
Not enough options
Jon: I've requested it in the past, I'll request it now: please, please, PLEASE turn on the auto-subtitles for hard-of-hearing people like me!
Yes! I agree 🖤🤘🏻
Be warned, theyre apparently removing the feature completely soon. For some stupid fucking reason, because CZcams is stupid.
You might want to send him a email he will problay read that for sure.
@@GhostNappa2k10 Community subtitles not auto
I've never noticed with Jon's videos as I've never needed them but, wow, I'm surprised he didn't enable them; it's just a list containing the language and dialect for CZcams's closed caption generator to listen for. Super easy for him to set.
I never finished fallout 4 whenever it came out years ago but this video made me want to go back and play it so that’s what I’m going to do to start off the new year
You can even skip the looting bit all together by slapping down a hundred water purifiers in sanctuary and selling water to buy junk.
"Finding a desk fan generates a slightly concerning amount of joy" as someone who has just started playing FO76, I go nuts when I find fans and would fight my friends over them.
Sweet Jesus ,I have genuine joy when I find a source of gears
@@theoneandonlydetraebean8286 never forget the starvation of copper
Or the excitement at finding typewriters for parts
The difference is, in FO4 finding a desk fan means you can upgrade your weapon. In FO76, it means you can finally repair your broke ass weapon and broke ass armor.
I am sad to say. I have murdered a death claw simply because it was between me and a pair of desk fans. I should not be thinking a pair of fans is worth murdering death claws.
Blew my mind with that comment about Zelda 2 being one of the first action RPG's.
I never thought about it that way but man's got a point.
its a great point
"Is TLOZ an RPG or an action game?" is one of the oldest debates in gaming.
@@plp5953 that's because those two genre's were so indistinct and tossed together initially that it can be hard to tell them apart. Even now that they are more defined they still overlap to varying degrees. So as often as not in some way the answer just tends to be "yes"
The first Action RPG was world war 1
Action adventure is the genre name.
Original zelda was one allready. There were more.
Zelda 2 was as it was (partially side scrolling) because sidescrolling action adventures were hip in those days and nintendo jumped on the bandwagon.
Zelda 2 is VERY far from being one of the first, there's many years of action adventures being released before that.
I am at minute 25 of the video right now, might edit when finish but...
I relate a lot to the freedom of this, to the point where i wish there was not a main quest and i could just hang around in this world, adapting to it, trading killing, crafting, building, surviving in this new world instead of getting back Shaun.
If you want a better fallout experience: stop fast traveling everywhere, dont use the wait feature unless you are sleeping in a bed, dont make the game so easy, play survival. Survival mode is probably the best thing to happen to fallout 4. If youre a casual player you probably won't like it but I used to be casual and Ive noticed a big difference in game play.
Fast travel is good, actually.
"...Because that would be ridiculous, and it would take a whole other video essay just to- oh, no..." RIP.
Outstanding. I put 400 hours into Fallout 4 and haven't played it in years. But heck if this doesn't make me want to boot it up again!
Damn straight! It's been at least six months for me.
Its the same cycle with skyrim. Nostalgia!Play like a madman, realize it's all the same shit again, wonder why you wasted a ton of drive space to play for six hours and give it up again.
Dude same
@@spacecadet0 this is where the mod scene comes in lol. I just finished organizing a load order for 100+ mods on my xbox one, and I've played heavily modded skyrim before. It breathes new life into it.
@@tannerchaffin9235 yesssss that's the way to go
I'd love if the weather adversely effected the enemy npcs. Increased spread and lowered perception if a certain weather tag is active or something like that. Raiders that can be damaged by rad storms would be cool, maybe set a 15 hp limit that the rads cannot reduce the raiders health below to prevent dead raiders everywhere unintentionally. Add a function to the intimidation perk so that if you quickly approach a lone raider in thick mist wearing power armour he'll surrender or flee.
"atleast its not raining" "also, another settlement need our help"
I love this was re-recommended for me after the popularity of the new series, even as a long time MATN viewer
Jon: hears brotherhood and feels safe
Me: runs for dear life after being murdered by crashing vertibirds 20 too many times
Me: *immediately pulls out guided missle launcher and sprints like a mad man to shoot it down before it drops troops.*
I like hearing virtibirds cause it means free power armor,fusion cores(pickpocketing),and target practice.
I kinda love and hate how much they fall out of the sky. on one hand its stupid as hell. on the other hand, it looks cool in fights. idk
I didn’t even know that was possible
Or hearing them while your in the middle of a fight and looking around to see if they are dropping in on your engagement or if they've found something else nearby to get their attention when you've pissed them off. It can be annoying dealing with a large group of something and then suddenly having the enemy get power armored reinforcements dropped into the fray since they all prioritize you over each other.
The only thing I did not like about Fallout 4 is the dialoge system. I thought that it is a bit too...simple. I preferred the one in New Vegas.
And thats why there's mods
Evidently Bethesda agreed, looking at Fallout 76.
Yes. If I'm playing an idiot character, then the dialogue should change the reflect that. Also, the limit of only 4 answers seems stupid.
I was fine with the dialogue system, I just hate how despite having a negative or refusal dialogue option, the answer will still always be yes. You have no actual choices. Someone asks you to do something, you hit the negative/refusal option, you still have to do it anyway.
Honestly my biggest complaint too. The voice acting is terrible, the voices are dull and most of the time they don't sound like they care about what is going on around them. I'm so salty we didn't get more Ron Perlman voice acting. He should have been the Male voice and Katy Sagal for female lead lmao!
I still think Fallout 4 is the most enjoyable to play. There is so much scope to try new things on each play through. I love the building side of the game, but also the fact that it's not necessary to progress the game!
I think the weapon, modding and legendary drops keeps the game fresh.
Is it perfect? No...but I certainly don't think 3 or NV are either, and Fallout 4 is the one I always go back to.
I always go back to 3
31:10 I always just assumed there were markers, like lock picking that unlocked at 25, 50, 75, 100.
If I upgraded repair to 49, I felt like I wasted my points and I was just investing in my next level up
I already enjoy Fallout 4, but this made me appreciate it so much more.
Facts
Playing threw the 3 games rn and 4 is the funniest
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Already got 1600 hours, this made me wanna make it over 3000, a legendary play time.
@@Half-Vampire of the 3 big ones 4 is definitely the I had the longest play threws
Dear god he’s actually about to continue this. Absolute lunatic, but I love it.
You know what you feel like doing after writing and performing an 1hr and a half long video essay... Another even longer more indepth analysis.
Thanos: They said I was a Madman...
Unfortunately, the next one is supposed to mostly be him talking about his issues with the game. Personally, I’d prefer him to just be entirely positive like he was with Fallout 3.
@@franzsanders9573 I just wish that Bethesda improved their quest writing and design as well as they improved their Gameplay instead of doing the opposite.
CyberNinjaZero ...They kinda did, at least for most quests in my experience. It’s just that most of the better quests are now faction-specific and easy to be missed depending on your playthrough - For instance, “Plugging a Leak” is a really great & interesting quest involving the Institute, but you literally can’t access it if you join the Railroad first.
@@franzsanders9573 I've played the Brotherhood, Minutemen and parts of the Railroad storyline. I have to say Fallout 3's quests and setting where far better overall. I think 4 did companions better but I agree with the common sentiment that the voiced companion led to a knock on effect that ruined the rest of the game.
Fallout 4 started on a bad foot by having the character heavily disconnected from the player by having that character make 3 major choices without the player (4 if you're playing a female). The main character buys a house, gets married and has a child all without the player (female players also have chosen a career where as you could argue that the male was drafted). People gave similar criticism to Fallout 3 because it gave you a preset backstory but the difference was that everything was "happening" to the PC they weren't making a decision without you. The PC (and by extension the player) where ambushed with a surprise birthday party, they were forced to take a test (and even then you can choose to get out of it). And finally they had no choice but to leave the Vault as the Overseer would kill them otherwise. Not to mention the fact that their personality is entirely in the hands of the player all throughout the game. The player can be an absolute jerk who still does the right thing, a silver tongued devil or good/bad to the bone.
Fallout 4's protagonist is much more preset with none of the decisions made in creating them mattering at all in the quests where as 3 had skill and attribute checks. Wastelanders 76 at least shows how 4 could've managed it's system better.
I think criticism of Bethesda games is often misplaced people talk about mechanics getting reworked as "dumbing down" but I think that the reason the games have felt less like RPGs lately is that the writing has been on constant downturn.
Fallout 4 is mechanically excellent but it's also attached to a sanitized world. People complained about Fallout 3 being a desolate wasteland despite the amount of time that has passed and as a consequence Fallout 4 barely seems to be a post apocalypse with life having mostly normalized. That's fine but 4 went the extra mile to "scrub" the world of anything "edgy" (I mean when I'm walking around the destitute Goodneighbout and can't find a single prostitute it's clear that immersion took a back seat). Immersion was a secondary consideration (if it was a consideration) in Fallout 4 which makes it the worst RPG in the series.
The problem with Fallout 4 is the dialogue system and the lack of meaningful choice and consequence within that system... This is the backbone, the foundation of a Fallout game and Fallout 4 embarrassingly drops the ball In this regard.
This is what keeps me from replaying the game. Currently playing New Vegas and I don't think I can go from such an amazingly well written game to Fallout 4 with its mediocre story and dialogue wheel that gives you 4 options of saying the same thing in slightly different ways...
@Hrvo182 there's some pretty solid side quest content in 4 that have variety to the decisions
@@BubbyBoy yea I should play it after I'm done with New Vegas, for the side content and the DLC.. my first playthrough was too focused on the main story which was unimpressive so I didn't wanna play through it again, but this time I'm not gonna care about finding Shaun lol
@@Hrvo182 you rarely play fallout for the main quest past the first two entries, anyway
@@BubbyBoy First two and New Vegas have a well written storyline and coherent game design, Fallout 3 and 4 are Bethesda games and they are great games but I prefer the former.
The point you started going into detail with at around 13:40 really made me perk up. I had just experienced the mentality of feeling slighted for exploration. The game in question was Fallout 76. I know that the game is designed around a multiplayer setting, however exploration, especially in the game's aquatic areas, is largely unrewarded. Fallout 4 by comparison is littered with things to do, see, and experience -- even underwater. The harder a place is to get to, the better or even neater the rewards should be when you finally get there. Fallout 3's Rockopolis comes to mind. The location is very well hidden, and is even the location of a bobblehead, but it's unmarked with little indication of how to get there.
In support of Jon’s point about the Brotherhood actually doing things: load up the game, start a new character, and visit the airport during Act 1. What do you find there? It literally is crawling with ghouls. When you get to Act 2, one of the BoS quests focuses on a scribe suffering ptsd from the Brotherhood combating those ghouls when they show up.
They are also a faction that starts out very small. Appears in force at a certain point in the storyline with effects in different parts of the map. And then depending on your faction often actually diminishes greatly in presence toward the end of the game.
The Minute men are another "organic" faction that the more settlements you get to ally and build up on their behalf and build mortars in. The more minute men patrols start showing up all over the map and the more places you can call in mortar strikes to aid you across the map. And all factions participate in the checkpoint system after the end of the main game based upon which one you side with.
I wanted to see if this battle could actually be seen. So, on my latest run, I went for full AP. I sprinted and swam like a maniac to keep up with the Prydwen as soon as it arrived. I was sorely disappointed.
Bart Something to be fair why would they risk crashing the game and frame drops for a fight that you’re never suppose to see, it would’ve been a nice feature but I can’t let that ruin my experience
@@daytonfoster5565 Oh I wasn't *really* dissapointed. I had no expectations. I was merely curious what it'd look like when they arrive. They have their entire base set up.
Also, what is funny - you can finish Kellog's Quest without the brotherhood ever showing up. The Prydwen event triggers on the rooftop, so if you (accidentally) go out the way you came, they'll never show up,. Diamond City residents and so forth still comment on the prydwen and BoS, however.
Bart Something ya that’s another thing ur not suppose to do, it’s crazy when u do weird shit like that you get weird results. However I did here about how after the Kellogg quest the brotherhood still comes even if you don’t help Danse get the transmitter, there is a mod to fix this and other minor weird things that weren’t planned.
I love the Fallout 4 Deathclaws so much. They act in the best way to try to defeat you. They know they can only hurt things that are near them and they know you can hurt them from a distance and they are too big to hide and ambush if you have a bead on them. So, in addition to protecting their weakpoint by putting their armored parts forward, they also zigzag. They can see you aiming at them and will make an attempt to evade. Human enemies do it too, but seeing an animal displaying that behavior, and the almost ballet-like animations they have in spite of their powerful frames is a beautiful as it is threatening.
unless you stand inside a store, throw a molotov, they run away, you step outside and back in, throw another molotov...
@Conn Benn
Have you tried fighting that first Deathclaw on Survival? It's not easy.
In Fallout 1-2-3-NW, Deathclaws are fearsome until you get to the end game.
Fallout 3 even has Reavers that were way too strong and should be dodged whenever you can until you hit that sweet high level.
Fallout 4 has bullet sponges, but they don't hit that hard or move that fast so you can survive for long enough to kill them
@@Her_Imperious_Condescension we propably have different opinions on what is considered difficult, but the deathclaw is a push over. just stand where it can't reach you (because the ai is realy bad) and shoot it with aformentioned minigun
Conn Benn Dragons in Skyrim are not end game enemies and they scale depending on your level. That first dragon you fight can end up being even an ancient dragon if you start the quest at a high level
Fallout 4 is fun to play as a causal game. It’s great to play with mods.
It’s still a step backwards from what it should have been
Yea, that’s how i see it. I really like the game, but when you play it you release the missed potential
Finally an actual defense of Fallout 4 that takes into account it’s material conditions and weighs its pros and cons fairly. Great work
My thoughts while watching:
1. Really liked the quotes being set in writing along an in-game wall. It just added a nice extra touch.
2. I love your in-jokes; the fan worship is funny for a newbie to your channel, but has a wonderful depth for long-time fans.
3. The best compliment I can give to this is that I'm going to go re-play FO:4.
4. Why was your character named 'Captain 28?'
4 was probably because 28 special points
I think captain 28 refers to how many points you have when you create a character
If you're going to replay FO4, I cannot recommend survival more enough. It's like a whole different game.
Spray & Pray and maxed out automatic weapons and demo expert perks make every playthrough fun, if a bit easy. That’s my 2 Cents.
I never finished Fallout 4. Like Skyrim, I get distracted. Walking down a street, you spot a door. Or a broken wall. Or a weird shadow at the end of an alley. Or a light on a roof. I'll get there eventually... One day... Maybe. I have folks like Jon to fill me in on where the main plot was supposed to go before I spotted that fifth desk fan and had to lug my trash back to Sanctuary, only to be distracted again... :D
Disappointed the building system wasn’t covered even more. Whole communities of builders still do unique and cool builds. I even built a Dance Dance Revolution game in Fallout 4. It keeps score and gives out prizes. Not terribly lore friendly but I’m damn proud of it.
Edit: I still enjoyed this video immensely. FO4 is my favorite in the franchise. Aside from building, I was unable to put my finger on why. Jon could teach master classes on game design.
Was that done with the size limit?
@@FriskyD. The size limit is almost trivial to circumvent, even in Vanilla. If you drop weapons and stuff in a settlement and store them in the workshop from workshop mode, it reduces size amount even though originally dropping them didn't increase it. You can repeat this endlessly for arbitrary settlement complexity, though obviously you would eventually get to a point of a lot of lag.
Also, the building system is the ultimate RPG feature. Little roleplaying features allows so much expression as the settlement building. What you build for the settlement reflects what character you are playing. Small settlements or big? Nice locations or cramped bunkhouses? Clean or dirty?
Chase B. It’s pretty easy to bypass the size limit. Eventually you do get frame rate drops or crashes if you glitch it too many times. But you can EASILY get 3x the normal size bar in most locations.
Lauren Smith yes exactly. I like building settlements with background stories. Ghoul slavers, a cannibal church, a renovated boardwalk, etc.
the core gameplay loop is summarized perfectly by the Supermutant's Orders:
" KILL. LOOT. RETURN. "
I love Fallout 4. I really do.
If u played eso u opinion different
Can I just say, I love the enemy variants in Fallout 4, and how some of them are only encountered after hitting a certain level and always scale with you. Even if you're level 300, seeing a Dusky Yao Gui or a Deathclaw Matriarch is still an awesome experience every time
Unless you have a wounding or explosive shotgun. Then everything is a snore
it all kind lost its terror when I was able to oneshot or onepunch every single being in FO4.
@@chellejohnson9789 Not even in terms of difficulty. I'm talking about encountering different and fresh variants that are cool even if they are easy
Personally I've never liked that. "Remember that enemy you were fighting at level 1? Now that you're level 50, you'll never have to worry about it again. Instead, here's an enemy that's identical except it has a lot more hit points and deals a lot more damage."
@@jpuroila I meant more in terms of the different appearances and names and such, but yeah I see your point. Although it is good that some enemies scale with you, so no matter how op you are, there's always a bit of challenge. I more meant that instead of just having Deathclaws, you have Deathclaw Matriarchs, Glowing Deathclaws, Alpha Deathclaws, and so on. Makes the enemy selection feel more interesting
He did it! The madman.
A man with a mission!
Oh no! A second part in an indeterminate amount of time to come!
HOW DARE YOU DOUBT JON 🤣
@@nickferra7487 with his ability to overlook obvious things I will always doubt Jon.
man just painted a big target on his bum lmao
bro this vid was great I haven't even played fallout 4 and I still sat through the whole vid.
If you had actually played Fallout 4, you would see how quickly this shit crumbles to pieces.
Fallout Shelter was my first game, and it got me intrigued about the soon coming out FO4. By the time FO4 came out, I Was drooling to get a chance to play it. One of the first things I fell in love with when I started playing it WAS the junk system. I had NO IDEA the junking system wasn't already a big part of the series, and I think it was brilliant.
Even as a fan of it with all achievements and a few hundred hours, I was impressed to have learned to appreciate it more.
Yeah, in my opinion, Fo4 is less of a "Fallout" game than the others, but it's a fantastic game as a whole. The mechanics, the story, the weapon system, the glitches, all bring together an often overlooked game.
Nice gatekeeping there, Bob.
@@mrbiggsofficial I always say, Fallout 4 is a competent and good Elder Scrolls game
@@mrbiggsofficial
"Mechanics" and "weapon system" as in the poorly implemented Settlement Building system? Or the very broken progression where the rest of the game is a literal cakewalk by level 10? Nearly useless perks that take up the already limited perk slots like leadbelly?
Or perhaps, the lack of weapon variety, one useless weapon class, and a rather underwhelming selection of weapon modifications to end it?
Oh and by "story" you mean a downgraded amalgamation of 3 and NV's approaches to their stories?
Character with a definitive backstory more so in Fallout 4, as well as choosing different factions. Although anyone with a brain can tell that the Institute and Railroad are nonsensical to side with as one organization kidnaps and replaces Commonwealth citizens with Android counterparts and destroyed whole towns. And the other doesn't even give a shit about anything but The Synths, which they end up destroying their only source of making more of themselves.
While in NV's case, it is probable you wouldn't side with Caesar in real life, at least there was some coherent reasoning to why a character you'd roleplay as could possibly side with him.
4 is mediocre at best. Not the worst game ever by far but not very good either.
@@olivialee1102
It is greatly incompetent. Now I'm not saying I didn't have fun here and there, but if you think all of the poor optimization, game breaking bugs, and broken mechanics while the team having years of working on that game....then I'm afraid you're mistaken.
24:45 I really enjoy settlement building and doing all of that, I just wish it had more effect on the game. I'll build on Sanctuary or Starlight Drive In bigger that Diamond City, but nothing ever changes. Would have been nice to have NPCs comment on it.
The starting settlers you can get out of concord sort of do comment on it, but that might also be from completing the very first quests to spruce up Sanctuary Hills
Having Preston actually acknowledge what you've done would've made him less of a meme, I think
You might want to check out Sim Settlements 2. I can't even start to describe how much this mod changed the way I play Fallout.
@@AsterixCodix or if missions were given by all settlers from concord
It should be key npcs move to your town, faction leaders come to you to cooperate. Voice lines indicating your town is a big deal and has history.
Also, man... Really think that desaturated bleak, almost monochrome look of F3 really works in its favour. It's the only way I want these games to look. 76 and F4 are way too colourful in their colour grading imo. Doesn't feel as fascinating to me by half somehow.
@@TjBaxy The pre war buildings are the problem, they look way to colourful to look like 210 year old destroyed buildings.
@@TjBaxy Yeah It's definitely subjective but man, what an atmosphere F3 had
@@m.i4985 I agree.
@@TjBaxy I get that its more subjective but I liked Fallout 3s rusted gritty atmosphere because it made the nuclear war more believable.
Its a problem in F4 because Boston and DC would be relatively close to each other so it doesn’t make sense why Boston looks pristine and DC looks like a proper wasteland. Especially the fact that you can see a nuke go off in very close proximity to the city at the very start.
Bethesda central ideology has been always to not lock the players out of options, Which to be honest can be a double edged sword at times but it does work out
No matter what is said about the various Fallout games I can say something for certain. I've played with mods, without mods, DLC, no DLC and spent many 100s of hours and had fun.
I'm sure we can all agree on that!!
It's Fallout in every way. Which makes it so great.
Exactly. Even if 4 has some disappointing aspects, people say they hate it because it's in vogue, but have all likely out hundreds of hours into it. It's like this with every Bethesda game: "Skyrim is actually shallow garbage" *has played 700 hours*
Jon: The Brotherhood Knights are useful in a fight:
1:21:50 Brotherhood Knight: Drowns himself
Well actually he was in power armor, so he'll just walk out of the water... eventually.
F
Rip
@cinna banana apparently they have mods that make them better for that
This video got subscription from me. Loved how deeply the comparisons got broken down, here.
This video actually not only gave me a new love for Fallout 4, but in the RPG genre as well.
&, on top of that, a huge respect to Bethesda. Primarily because of your pointing-out of the company, essentially, giving the best game-experience, that they could have, to people who love FPSs *and* RPGs, *in one game.*
The way you broke that down & pointed out the differences between player-skill games vs character-skill games was a joy to listen to & analyze. -- You are a true nerd, in my book 😆 (in a complimentary-way, not an insulting-way 😅)
Thanks for the video.
1:01:12 Morrowind's Red Mountain does this too, minus the direct health drain but instead using endgame level monsters guarding it and the atmosphere of the constant red Blight Storm (like a red sandstorm) that covers the volcano. (You ask if this is the only biome Bethesda has made that basically doesn't want the player there and chases them out.) It's even better with mods that make the Blight Storms mechanically dangerous to the character like the NPCs say they are in lore (they spread nasty blight diseases), but it's a grim place that wants you gone ASAP even without mods and it's great. Every step feels like a heroic struggle.