The Failures Behind the Fw 190
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- The Fw 190 might be Focke Wulf's and Kurt Tank's most famous designs but the company also had many failures like the Fw 159. Did those inspire the Fw 190?
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Richard Smith, Fw 190 Vol 1
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Wagner, Kurt Tank - Focke Wulf Designer
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Music and Sfx from Epidemic Sound
-Time stamps
0:00 - Intro
1:40 - 1920's Focke Wulf Company
4:02 - Focke Wulf starts to experiment
4:36 - Germany starts to rearm (aka money can be made)
6:20 - Focke Wulf expands / Kurt Tank joins
9:24 - Focke Wulf's first success
10:31 - MOAR planes for the army!
12:25 - Focke Wulf messes up
15:50 - Fw Design Philosophy
19:04 - Outro
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Hey new fan as of January 2020.
In your video of the FW 190 at a museum I noticed a Heinkel 111 in the background. How much will I have to pay on pateron for you to ask the museum to do an inside the cockpit of that aircraft and build of the plane?
Thanks.
Great work..., couple of remarks, "drawing office" not room, "head above water" not over water...or "kept in the black".
I have a (humble) suggestion for you: Would it be possible for you to make a couple of videos about the history of the various German Airplane Manufacturing Companies? Many people talk about some of their plane models, but the personal and institutional history behind these models is also very interesting (yet often glossed over). Junkers for example: Hugo Junkers was one of the most important pioneers of airplane engineering and the history of the company doesn't just end in 1945. The forced exile of the Junkers engineers in the Soviet Union, their work for the Soviet Military and their influence on the (short lived) airplane industry of the GDR (Type 152, Pirna Jet Engines) is most interesting in my opinion, but not exactly well known.
Was german aircraft radial engine developement a failure in the end if compared to innovations and solutions americans, japanese and soviets came up with for their designs to both increase performance and simplify the designs?
@@robertwoodliff2536
"kept in the dark"
I'd very suspicious, if I was a German, of having a pilot called Kevin flying my planes.
Luftwaffles*
@@Galland_ That's fantastic! Although according to wiki that phrase was coined in 2009, but still great.
Galland we’ve had several "Kevinistic" riots here in BC, (Canada). Then-in a move reminiscent of something "ol' 'dolph Hitler" might’ve made, the Kevinists made a surprise 90° turn to California and or successful in their invasion of, primarily, Los Angeles and the Beverly Hills district in particular. The last I heard, this gang formed a dancing group and were performing in theatrical plays, and winning praise for it! The world works in mysterious ways, "Herr Galland".
Adolf Kevin !!
Hey Kevins a great guy and a great pilot. If you dont believe me go check out Blitz's channel hes a big fan of Kevin!
Damn, that's just great: gets thrown out of his own company and does the first working helo
I used to know a man who was a keen football player and started his own team so he could get a game. Unfortunately his skills did not match his enthusiasm and the team dropped him
This sounds like something Elon Musk would do in his situation
Also the first production one, look for Fa 223 Drache.
@Jimmy De'Souza
In what way is that buying into his personality cult? I hate celebrities(esp business ones) by default yet pretending he's not capable of some crazy stuff is just silly possibly pretentious.
Also great life tactic dude, please do go around acting like you are the only one who knows anything about anything and sucking fun out of room.
@@freddekl1102 I forgivee ue
What I find fascinating is your discussions of operational and strategic elements. Am in my 70s and grew up excited by iconic names, planes and pilots...and blow by blow history of things but without knowing the whys..I’ve flown tiger moths and a few other biplanes, plus regular fairly modern sport planes..the stuff you discuss resonates so well with heart and mind
Thank John. Appreciate the support and happy to hear you enjoy the videos!
Ability Damage can’t dispute that, but they are are fun to fly..I learned on one..
how’d u get that symbol on ur name
@@ZzmemeguyzZ Become a CZcams member. Basically a Twitch subscription but for CZcams, comes with some perks and you get access to videos a few days prior/you could also just pay for the patreon which gives some extra info and research Bis put into the vids :-)
Estonian Shark i see, thanks
"And the pilot was named Kevin" 😂
The only thing they didn't had
@@SlocketSeven Kevin was his identical twin brother which is where the confusion comes from. Of course with a name like Bruce he was clearly Australian
100% Australian if the name is Bruce
"damnit kevin, its all your fault we lost the war!"
Fear Kevin.
The Dislikes are from Kevins that don’t like it that the secret is now out.
i cant wrap my head around the fact that there wasn't anyone that thought ..uhm maybe we should preserve at least one FW200 condor.....its such a beautiful airplane
Iirc there is one currently under restoration
In a war that would be the damn least of their concerns
Lufthansa Technik has one and is working on making it fully airworthy, as a spiritual replacement for their now grounded JU-87.
@@mikeblatzheim2797 JU 52, I think it is..
@@noahwail2444
Yes, that.
Top Turret Gunner: 190's - 12 o'clock High - coming down ... NOW!
Co-pilot: OH NO! IT'S KEVIN!!!!
Pilot: BAIL OUT! BAIL OUT!
Yes. In addition to the adventures of Kevin - this was highly interesting and explains why I never heard anything about Focke Wulf prior to the 190 and 200.
Thanks!
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I think ease of use and simplicity for maintenance are underappreciated aspects of warfare. Planes such as the Curtiss P-40 or Hawker Hurricane might have lacked in performance compared to its opponents, but it was relatively easy to get large numbers of the min the air regardless of the conditions. This is one of the reasons why those two planes were still beeing used up until 1945 in lesser theaters such as Burma and Africa. The Fw-190 is similar in beeing robust, userfriendly and easy (relatively) to maintain.
there was no fighting in africa in 1945. and when Africa had fighting it was the main theatre for the nations using P-40 and Hurricanes.
It was also strong contrast to other German engineers who designed finely crafted, powerful machines which spent all their time in heated repair bay being pampered by team of experts. If they got out they were better than anything else and they never got out. FW-190 was direct opposition to that.
From the "Ente" to the FW 42 is like that "Oh no no no look at this dude"
Well, yes but you have to admit that Kevin was a damn good test pilot....
who is kevin?
would like but the count is at 69
@@generalsherman1213 it’s now 80
A great insight into the focke wulf company. An informative and interesting look at a legendary name in aviation history .
Just so - What Chris has done here is, in its way, quite brilliant. 💥
Loads of 'Techno-porn' (here is the motor stripped down, these are the raw perfomance figures....) exist.
But to narrate the evolution in this way - That's both unusual and intriguing
💥 EXCEPT for that bit with three dismbodied heads trampolining under the Fw 159
That, well, that wasn't
That was fantastic, great video. I really enjoyed all the information on the early days of Focke Wulf. The interwar stuff from Germany is particularly hard to research.
I adore the 190, and this is a great overview of the circumstances leading to its creation. If anyone is looking to get more into the nuts and bolts of this aircraft I strongly recommend the videos by Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles, here on CZcams.
This is one of the best ones you’ve done along with the Me262 and the Swiss 109’s. Was interesting and I’d like to see a followup!
I commend you on your progress in presentation and your historical research. Clearly dedicated to your vocation.
Just wanted to say thank you Chris, after a long day of dealing with idiots I enjoy relaxing watching your videos and learning from your knowledge and passion for each topic and presentation.
Well done sir
"And if the pilot was called Kevin."
*Cue me collapsing in a fit of giggles.*
Top tier content. I feel like you're really on your stride now. You seem very comfortable on camera and provide a very informative approach whilst not letting the content itself become stuffy.
Thanks for giving us your sources Bis, I really appreciate it.
A video I did not think I needed but an informative one none the less. Tells quite the story of its own and puts the Fw-190 and Kurt Tank's contributions into perspective.
Great work Bismarck.
Thanks!
just watched several of your CZcams postings - Excellent !
I have to say that when I first saw the 159 in the thumbnail, I immediately thought of the Storch. Interesting to see that the 159 is related to it.
I can't wait for your video on the Condor. Keep up the good work. Heiss Gut!
Great work, as usual! Thank you.
Rich.
Thanks, Bismarck, for this sober and incisive history of the beautiful and awesome FW 190.
He took everything he learned and built the mighty Ta-152 later on
The Ta 152 used about 57% Fw 190 parts. Some parts developed for the Ta 152, such as an enlarged tail were reintroduced into some Fw 190D. The speed limitation of the Fw 190A series above about 24000ft was that the BMW 801D engine only had a single stage non inter cooled super charger.
The solution was the BMW 801R which had a two stage 4 speed inter cooled supercharger. It was to be fitted to a varian of the Ta 152C but bombing destroyed BMWs plans of producing the engine and hence the Ta 152 had to rely on the Jumo 213 or DB603.
Ah yes, the plane that had wings wider than the distance between the earth and the sun
@@erojerisiz1571 did you mean longer?
"Among the best, if not THE best" not to mention the most beautiful of the warbirds
You do your homework. Impressive, one of the best on line. Sense of humor also, Kool. Fw family is my favorite Axis AC. Great job, thanks & Congrats
I am so excited. I can't wait to watch this. However I just woke up and have to go to work :(
Here lies a comment from probably the best channel on CZcams.
Matthew McKellar. Agreed and very lucky to still have a job in the aviation industry.
However Bismarck right up there and excellent video on Focke-Wulf.
Can’t wait for the Fw200 video and hope he mentions the restoration work in Bremen and Hamburg of the sole remaining aircraft.
Did you watch it yet?
Amazing channel, much appreciation!
I've seen Greg film in Germany from time to time- what happens if these two meet?
US Pilot: We're winning the war!
German Pilot: Hey there friends, my name is kevin!
US Pilot: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! *explodes causing a chain reaction that destroys the whole US air force*
And the planes falling out of the sky crash Into their ships which causes the whole fleet to be lost
Kevin!!!
Haha love these videos, soo interesting. I got the FW190 A8 and D9 after the free flight in DCS, I love them.
The FW42 looks like something Dick Dasterly and Mutly woud fly
Pegion Biryani
All of them before the 190 look like tryouts for vulture squadron!
I like this new type of edit, less serious and more relaxed. Makes all things technical content much more fun to watch.
Agreed. Creative production and editing made what could have been very dry into enjoyable and easy to take in. High standard of work indeed.
This format is far more riveting than the diagram expo.
Greg’s airplanes has some really nice episodes about the FW 190 !!
Thanks for the great video looking forward to the next one
Can you make a video about your very interesting looking book collection behind you in the Video? I always look out for something to read about the airwar or airplanes in general. It would be nice to see what are your nr1 books or which books you can recommend! And thank you for another awesome Video!
"...named Kevin." I have a friend named Kevin who is a former history teacher. Once, I asked his thoughts on how the world would be if Arch Duke Ferdinand had been spared in 1914. Kevin said that real history is fascinating enough without the 'what ifs'." In hindsight I couldn't agree more. Great show, as usual.
But without the "What If"s nobody would bother examining history in the first place... Divergence is a wonderful thing, it allows one to go back over the histories and pick places in time that would have resulted in a different world. Sadly though, Serbia and Austria were going to have a war either way, the only difference size of the stage and the actors performing their roles, as well as the official date of what most likely would have still been World War One. Also, incidently I disagree with the World War titles as there have been plenty of large scale wars that happened on multiple fronts and they've never been listed as World War, so why should what we call World War One and Two be named as such?
Thats called religious fanaticism in churches ... and is frowned upon even there... why the is that behaviour encouraged in shools...
@@Feiora I agree with you that WW1 would have happened if the assassination hadn't happened but I cannot think of any other wars that included every continent except Antarctica. Also, most countries were involved, even if they claimed to be neutral.
@@bartfoster1311 Well it depends on when and where and what and who was involved, if we judge World War as requiring every single continent then to some degree all wars are World Wars on the basis that the hostile parties had to cross oceans to get at each other. Then there's the subset of culture and philosophy, but that's something for another day when I'm more awake. For now though think on this, what exactly are the parameters for the World War designation? Does it mean enlisting foreign nations and their fighting men and women to battle your opponent? If that's the case the American Revolution was a "World War" as both sides had foreign forces involved, and these foreign forces had to cross an ocean to reach the battlefield... Also, by this definition, the Crusades could be considered "World Wars" even if only a part of the forces traveled by ship while the rest went by land... And there are more wars that fit that definition, but I'm going to stop here to see what your reply is.
Awesome, as always. Can't wait for the Fw-200 Condor!!!
Superb Video Chris. Well done. Sehr interresant!
I'm always very impressed by your incredible knowledge!
Excellent Video. Business History is so Fascinating. I Hope you continue to make more videos like this
Thank you
Nice to see the FW189. You should cover the Blohm and Voss BV 141 some time and compare to the FW 189. I really wish I had snagged the old Airfix kit as it was such a wacky looking plane.
Thank you so much for a very informative look at the Focke-Wulf company.
A detailed series of videos on the development of the FW190 from drawing board to the end of WW2 would be a good idea, going through the trials and early development of the aircraft and the adaptations to changing requirements and circumstances over time. The same has been done on the iconic allied aircraft and to a degree on the Bf109 series, but the Fw190 seems to get overlooked in this coverage. Thanks for another excellent video.
Tank was probably trying to bring back something like a later day Fokker D-VIII, but his parasol fighters are absolutely elegant and graceful looking making them wonderful to aeromodel.
Thanks for another great video!
dude your office space is so damn cozy for a history nerd, the only thing i would change would be the color of the walls
Great video once AGAIN! Thanks!
That look at aviation companies is really interesting! Like to see more!
Great piece Bis. Very informative and I can see this took a lot of time to research. Looking forward to the "Condor" piece (another aircraft that sometimes had problomatic undercarriage I believe?).
very detailed insight, thx
Excellent summary 👍🏼
GREAT video! You are amazing. Thanks for Austin, Texas.
Good you mentioned Greg in this video. It may be that you two will now affect the common perception of this aircraft.
Kevin happens to be my favourite fighter Pilot! Insightful video as always.
Good video. I grew up in a Sussex (SE England) town called Crawley, in the 60's. There were still a building being held up with weird, massive, bits of wood that I discovered were as a result of a hit and run FW 190 raid, that missed the railway by a few dozen metres, but hit the Post Office big stylee.
I did not expect Focke-wulf to start out like how it did.
Really enjoyed this, thanks
Another excellent video. Thank you.
thank you so much for a well presented ,informative video, I admired Kurt tanks TA 152 , great plane .
BF 109 had the advantage of easy shipping, one could simply remove the wings and load a bunch onto rail cars, re assemble them in minutes, hence the narrow landing gear footprint.. it was thus imperative for the undercarriage to be part of the fuselage.. makes you wonder if the mechanics had go cart races with them prior to re attaching the wings..
either way rail transport, and the ability to fit through Germany's smallest tunnels was an integral part of the design process , one could even tow one behind a car or truck if needed, as it was no wider than a road lane .. that undercarriage is derided for catching out novice pilots, but having such an effective fighting machine so easy to bring to an air field in numbers ? more than balances out the cost , being able to tow a squadron to where it's needed in minutes, huge tactical advantage ..
The specifications for the aircraft was for a type that could be transported by rail the wings being removable made the 109 prone to fail in a high g turn. The comparison between spitfire and 109 in turning ability, the 109 should have been able to out turn the spit but german pilots were reluctant to test the.wings.strength. The narrow undercarriage was a major problem for the 109 losing pilot's and planes in accidents at the same rate as combat.The 109 had a big advantage over other fighters in maintenance you could replace the Db601 in an hour a spit or mustang was a long day for the ground crew to swap engines.
The Me-109G was rated to 13Gs absolute limit, and never broke. The P-51 was rated only 12Gs despite non-detachable wings, and broke them off frequently (or it’s tail)... The 109 was among the strongest, and the trim tail allowed faster high speed pull-outs than even the P-51 when trimmed tail heavy in advance.
Thanks for the history of the "Butcher Bird". I always loved that plane. 🇺🇸
Great video. Thank you.
Excellent videos!!!
I used to play the original Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator
In that sim the FW-190 was really, really hard to shoot down compared to every other plane you could fly against
The opposition pilots said it for you. They were there they had to fight it, they saw it as step up from the ME 109. UK had to develop the Spitfire further to counter it. Among other things they went up from the Merlin to the Griffin engine, temporarily they had to super tune the Merlin as a stopgap. Good presentation again. Very efficient design
The FW-187 (only 9 built) was actually used in Norway (mostly as a propaganda ruse to make the Allies think that it was entering service), and was found to be quite superior to the BF-110. However, it was cancelled due to the Luftwaffe seeing no value in a long range fighter (which was more expensive than a BF-109) rather than for any technical shortcomings.
There is an anecdote about Kurt Tank that puts some light on his prowess both as an aircraft designer and as a pilot. In the summer of 1942 he took a tour to fighter units based in France and the Low Countries to talk with actual pilots who had flown the 10 in combat and get hints about what improvements would be valuable to them. While flying home to Bremen in his Fw58 Weihe, he is attacked by a section of Spitfires over the Dutch coast. He manages to outmaneuver the Spits until they have to abort due to fuel shortage and when he lands he has 59 bullet holes in his aircraft, but none in any vital systems and he is uninjured himself.
Incredibly interesting story!
I was put off for so long by the unappealing title...
I didn't want to find out about the failures of Focke Wulf but I am glad to have learned about the history of the company.
I am actually building Revell's F8 model in 1/32 right now. I am depicting 'White 11' of 1./JG SG4 when it was in Italy during summer 1944. This plane was originally in splinter but was painted over in Sandgelb and Dunkelgrün mottling upon arrival, which totally obscured all the stenciling and the swastikas on the tail, as well as the upper half of the fuselage band and the Balkenkreuz on the upper wing surfaces. The Butcher Bird is my favorite German fighter of the war, with the Hellcat my favorite Allied.
Great video and content, can you make a video about the Heinkel and Arado aircraft history?
Best close captioning ever!
that top trumps bit was hilarious, so accurate
Speaking of the Fw-190, has Greg made any videos lately? I haven't seen any notifications. Hope everything is ok with him.
I believe he did a special on the long nose FW190/TA152 w all the late war turbochargers/superchargers w all the different altitudes w each turbo/supercharger gear engaged all in a spreadsheet and also looked at the Methonol / water injections in concert w supercharger/ turbo at extremely high altitudes.. I'll say this: Very impressive performance even at 40,000 ft and higher!!!!!! lol midblowing
Ha. He's in the comments a few hours after you.
Exciting to see that many of those pics were taken in Finland.
SA-Kuva is great archive, I love to explore it.
Really good content...thank you
Great video. I'm a little surprised you didn't mention the affiliation of the American ITT Corporation and Focke Wulf. The ITT Corporation was the largest shareholder in Focke Wulf at one point. That's a pretty interesting story by itself.
great vid biz
Very interesting. Thank you.
Excellent video. Hoping to see the FW-200.
Informative video. Maybe one day you can do a video on the He 177 and/or the Luftwaffe's failed heavy bomber program?
Great Video! I was always fascinated by Kurt Tank as I am someone who is studying Aerospace Engineering (well, was studying Aerospace Engineering untill the Pandemic struck).
I am curious as to how the proven concepts He created combined with the last of the advanced data He received before the war ended influenced his postwar designs like the Pulqi II and the Indian Marut.
He wouldn't have had access to the latest of R&D as someone outside of the system at that point. He had more than enough when in Argentina, but I dont know when He was in India.
Could more Data had prevented his later designs being mitigated to obsolescence ?
Small point, but you somewhat glossed over the Fw190 V1 was a pretty ambitious and unproven concept to streamline a radial engined plane that I don't think anyone had ever tried before though. So Tank didn't limit himself to using only proven design features it's just that the original design in that case failed so horribly and was then amended into something better and more practical.
A video about the company of my hometown on my birthday. Thx Bis :*
How many did you build yet?
@@MilitaryAviationHistory not enough but appx 10 in stock
Thank you youtube for recommending this got yourself a new subscriber 🏴
Thank you very much for all those accurate historical infos.Would you treat the FW 190 D and Ta 154?Congratulations and hello from France!Stay safe!
Excellent segment! Very interesting history and brilliantly presented. As always, thanks so much for sharing.
Steve
Lol--wow, I had never considered how the alignment of the planets affected the air war in Europe before! :-) Always enjoy your videos--thanks!
Thanks for an interesting video.
I am glad the FW189 Uhu got a shout out ..in my mind that is THE best FW design of the war.. It was popular , did it's job very well and was a difficult opponent to be up against. that is not to say the FW190 was bad..but it was overshadowed in peoples minds by the BF109 ..just like our Hurricane was compared to the Spitfire...
17:30
@@MilitaryAviationHistory oh I saw it my friend.. I was saying I am glad you mentioned it :) ..
Kevin. The highest scoring Luftwaffe ace you've never heard of.
Hi Biz...Could you talk about Luftwaffe fighter pilots' preferences of one fighter type to another?
Super interesting video and very informative, professional as always! Greetings from Argentina, a country that operated many Fw44.
Why thank you
...and also the country with Kurt Tank's two jet designs. One is still on display there?
@@brianreddeman951 both of them are at display, the pulqui 1 and pulqui 2, the first one ws mainly designed by the famous french designer whose name i cant remember haha, i think it we has the designer of the D520 and its ancestors.
@@MilitaryAviationHistory thanks to you for the amazing content!
@@facundoperis9488 Dewoitine.
Excellent!
Kevin FTW! We tried to produce a perfect pilot by mating him with another top test pilot, but Hanna said he was "too clean cut" for her.
Excellent job. Very unusual design indeed
Nice video I enjoy to know more about Fock Wulf history, as you know there is the only one survived Focke-Wulf Fw 58 here in Brazil. Thanks
17:38 What are those fins or vanes on the prop spinner? In Bismarck's video on the subject of the Bf-109's landing gear, we see some footage of an Me-108 Taifun in Swiss livery which also has a spinner like this.
I don't know - air speed indicator - alternative to the pitot tube?
Those fins were a feature of the Argus AS 410 engine. Apparently, they power the variable pitch propellet!
Seen them before on the HS129 prototype and an Arado, but did not know. So thank you for giving me an opportunity to learn something new.
I know of 3 Kevins one is a Mechanic , one a Pizza delivery Driver and the third is My sisters 2 year Old Colt Kevin !..But still Luv an adore the FW190 It was perfection .
Good video on an interesting subject.
Hello in the background when your sitting behind the books how did you get those fighter models and where can i get it ?
A colleague gifted them to me, so I don't know.