Super Conqueror Is Here! - Devastation First Impressions
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This ship is another wargaming enigma.
They gave it more guns but increased the reload and nerfed the accuracy so overall you land probably the same amount of shells at the usual supergame ranges as with a Conq.
It's how they attempted to balance it I would assume.
Really weird, these super-ships in my head its if countries kept building big ships and there was no missiles or jets, so i presumed they will have very good reload and accuracy with modern stuff. Like radar guided shells and auto-loaders.
@@Zergling.Autoloaders are exponentially more complex to implement as calibre increases, the turret would've been way stretched to the point that having an extra guns/turrets/larger caliber or improving on existing loading systems would be far better in the end. The British did try that on the Lion-class BB project, the results weren't too ideal to say the least.
For guided munitions, I'd assume even more protection in the shell would be needed for when the propellant charges are ignited to preserve electrical components. Said shell also has to redirect course using some steering system. I don't know how much it'll take to turn a 406"/+, I'd assume it's slightly plausible considering how long the shells would be in the air but take it with a bag of salt.
@@gangutbayern246 For the autoloader i was thinking that was better to have it even if you have to sacrifice a gun or caliber, since you reduce loading time (preferably), and reduce needed personal for the ship, at the same time you will not have people on the turret if something blows up, of course there still needs a way for people to go there to do repairs.
And with more modern ammunition i dont think you need big rounds to do damage.
For the guided shells, i mistakenly put 2 ideas in that comment, it should be that the ship has good ways to range distance and accurately shot, with modern fire control systems.
And guided shells dont need to have explosives inside them, i was thinking more on the lines of solid shots, but from what you said ones that explodes could be viable too.
I am really not knowledgeable on this stuff, just basic stuff if anything, i just had this imagination that super-ships should have more modern systems to increase their performance with less crew with no need to decrease firepower, (better shells and rate of fire).
@@maltemejlstrup4746 its how they balanced it for sure, its just a really lazy way of balancing cus it negates the whole point of having more guns. Like there is genuinely no ship in this game that benefits from having more guns than their tier 9-10 counterparts. so it renders the whole thing pointless if they nerf both reload and accuracy.
At least they didnt give it a magic spell that increases its fire percentage or something. Other superships may be more interesting but are worse for the game.
I mean the magic spell could’ve been a supercharged shell, those were a real thing for the 15 inch guns. Idk
Idk i think annapolis is one of the more balanced supers. Like yeah dm with an extra turret and it has a burst but you do more dpm with just regular firing mode so its kinda niche and only for situations where you gotta do alotta dmg in a blink
@@fluxthelycanroc9603ah, that F-key gimmick puts Annapolis firmly into T12. BB AP alpha for free on a cruiser is broken.
A balanced Annapolis would have 32 mm central plating instead of 30 mm and no F-key gimmick. That's it. Same with Condé. That would make them T11 ships (like Clausewitz) rather than T12.
This is gonna be the Thunderers bigger brother
Fs in chat for the matchmaker for a bit
More like a bigger conkek. Thunderer is on a different level of BS
SkyRaider means the Conqueror because he does not know how to spell it.
@@HAWKSTA24yeah u seem real smart too
@@HAWKSTA24 thx I guess? I already knew how to spell it
the thing is worse than Conq, and I wish seeing it in battle for free 150k+ guaranteed damage
British BB's in Real life - Amazing Armour second too the Yamato, outstanding AA - Bofors 40mm's and PomPoms.
British BB's in Wargaming - Subpar armour and subpar AA.
Oh and outstanding torpedo and flooding protection systems. (and yes the Prince of Wales sank, but the issue there was rectified)
Relatively new to the game. Just got the KGV. Going to grind, hard, to get the Conq, and hopefully the Devastation! Loving the Brit BBs.
I kept my KGV, best one for me.
KGV is very good when used properly, don’t sleep on the AP and don’t be scared to push in towards the latter half of games, words from someone who considers KGV one of their best ships
Getting superships is not worth the time
for you won sanity quit before you get sucked in
Some people just want to watch the world burn
Im not sold on this ship, I think they overnerfed it.
Patrie compared to republique:
-.2 sigma for
+20% better DPM
+50% higher salvo weight.
In addition, patrie is has a better engine boost and better conceal. Almost all of its other stats are buffed except worse turning
Patrie even has the same exact fire starting capabilities as conqueror with its HE, though less HE alpha and pen. So if you wanna burn down bow in battleships patrie will do the job just fine, while also absolutely smashing cruisers with its AP
Devastation compared to conqueror
-.1 sigma
+5% better dpm
+25% better salvo weight.
Seems like more of a sidegrade, the reload especially is a real problem. Only 5% DPM increase is nothing, on ship that is all about continuous HE pressure and fires. It also takes a hit to conceal unlike patrie, and its consumable is the same. I guess you get bow armor?
I don't think 13k-15k HE salvos are impressive with a 38sec base reload when the other super BBs (and vermont) are getting 15k+ AP through the front and devstriking cruisers.
You're missing a couple of things regarding Patrie:
Firstly, sure her speed boost is +15%...... Except they also nerfed the duration to 2 minutes instead of 3 like Republique. You go faster, but for only 30% of the battle when République can have its duration for almost 50% of it. That's not an upgrade, that's a sidegrade at best. That sigma reduction also impact more severly that +20% dpm over republique.
She's also much, much less survivable than republique for 3 reasons:
1) the tier XI landscape is much more rough against 32mm plated ships because of Satsuma and Hannover. Now sure it's also a problem for Devastation, but you have to keep in mind that devastation at least has an icebreaker and an external belt to mitigate this. Republique doesnt.
2) She's huge and has the highest broadside in the game bar none. Devastation is smaller and harder to hit
3) Unlike République, Patrie doesnt have hidden 50mm plates inside her bow, which means that Patrie can get citadeled through the nose by 32mm overmatch extremely easily
You are also forgetting something about devastation: The impact of Burst fire.
It's ALWAYS better to starts more fires in a single salvo than over multiple salvoes. Because if you start 2-3 fires every 33 seconds, the ennemy will simply be unable to optimize the use of DCP and will loose much more hp than against a continuous fire setting capability.
Looking at numbers alone certainly doesnt give the whole picture. Devastation looks very strong because unlike Patrie, her survivability doesnt suffer as much for those additionnal guns and the salvo increase scales extremely well with her fire setting capabilities.
You killed me in this today, I was a caught broadside Puerto Rico (just leave me to fight the DD and the Sub dammit!) and I’m so happy to see this was uploaded prior that this happening.
Once I noticed it was you on CC account I thought “oh shit this is gonna be on Yt and I’ll never live it down in clan” 😂
in that ship, where you can pint a new ship with almost every heal, anything under 100k is a poor showing
I played against 2 of these in a division recently and it was unplayable how many fires they would land on me, even my conqueror super heal was no help at all
9:15 How is that a aiming bug? To me it looks like the Patrie simply turned out.
i agree
go back and look at how high he aimed... he predicted the turn our perfectly and it still misses. definitely an aiming/lock on bug
he aimed above the ship predicting the turn out
Because everyone knows that when you miss. It's an aiming bug.
St vincent i think is still the better choice for British bbs
Of course, because St Vincent is completely broken
Yeah, I'm not interested in the USS Maine, nor am I interested in HMS Devastation. I like Montana for its accuracy, don't need a less accurate version of that. Novosibirsk does look interesting and I do wanna know what you think about that one.
Well ofc its a soviet ship with pen than vermont and a pretty good hull so yeah it‘s a fuck you from WG to the playerbase
This is going to be my first Super Ship. Reason of choice? Ship name
Gaius would be proud
Only have Conde, but also a personal policy of having every 15+ gun ship in game so looks like I have no choice on this one!😉
o7
Think the best super BB to get first is the satsuma
smh everyone knows the best t11 bb is the t12 bb conde
No the Hannover is the best super BB, good guns, great armor, Great secondary. German super BB trumps all BB so far.
@@brunnerwarsavage4242 nah the Hannover is to situational. The satsuma fits the meda better being able to do massive damage while being at long range.
@@Max-prime1212 Maybe if it had 9 guns instead of six The Hannover with the bad ass secondary. And the armor is the best BB. I give the Satsuma third place for now. to it goes German, French, Japan, British, then USSR in super BBs
@@brunnerwarsavage4242 Hannover is garbage lol, it dies way too quickly
Not a fan of the recently released super bbs. To be honest they make no different than the T10 counterparts. Although they have a higher gun count, they lack accuracy/range. Imagine super columbo has like 20 guns lol. As a bb main I would rather have super bbs designed in a way like Hannover and Satsuma, with bigger guns that can guarantee damage at any angle. Overall if the output is not reliable as British HE/SAP, gun calibar shall be improved instead of raw DPM.
I think it is interesting that the super BBs seem to be - by and large - sidegrades to the tier 10 tech tree BBs; while the super cruisers are mostly actual upgrades (of various degrees). WRT Devastation specifically... another high tier/high caliber HE spammer is just what the game needs.
T11s great for xp and creds when you have them in your sights 😃
Rather they make a 3x4 18 inch gun or event 2x4 20 inch gun version, with 6 inch secondary
I would expect a "super" would figure out how to shorten the reload on the 3 guns per turret rather than trying to shoehorn in an extra gun and sacrifice accuracy as well. maybe trim 10 seconds off reload and put some more velocity on the shells by upping the guns to 54 caliber length?
Bro your obsession with hitting the de Moines is what killed you, you could have burned down the incomp two times over
16 gun Montana means you can bounce more shells with 30mm plating
feels like you bought the best battleship in the game that could even beat the absolute beasts like Japanese BB Satsuma super, is there anything better that could give Devastation a hard time ?
The super Montana will have a gimmick though, less dog from fires and flooding. Which sometimes it might be helpful, but it’s a survivability gimmick not a dmg one.
Yeah, which means it’s a better brawler, and it actually gets access to the American accuracy mod
man, wait until you see her citadel lol. Maine's cit protection is god awful.
Well, at least its not more 457mm overmatch added to the game. Maybe they are trying to avoid that with these 16 gun super bbs. Not that it will help much at this point...
The British super battlecruiser will probably have 12 457mm guns, or even 9 508mm guns.
I am waiting for the day a ship with only secondary will be released. Most likely only shoots at the ship you select.
Can't wait for the super Italian BB. 20 15-inch guns with SAP. lol
I'm waiting for the super Vermont
SuperConq - SConq - the WoT T10 Brit Heavy.
Is there an aiming bug? That would explain why I went from consistent hits to getting shorted frequently. 😅
But...
A super petro just needs to be the og petro unnerfed lol
So why not do the super petro first? I don't think people want to hear about this thing when super petro is also out
Looks like a tier xi marlbourough...
My ship just got set on fire because it looked at me funny.
Pronounce the super-Petropavlovsk, the Novosibirsk as "novo-see-beersk"
Nova sibersk, is how you pronounce the russian name. It is the name of a city.
Most people miss pronounced Khabarovsk for the longest time too, it is also the name of a city near Vladivostok. It is pronounced habarovsk Хабаровск the х makes a hard H sound.the english spelling isn't accurate.
Hi,
What is this mod showing how much healing you can have at the moment/total per heal? And how many seconds are left on fire/flood?
Btw, had a ranked game w ya yesterday! You Ohio, me vampire(happy8_1). Was a good win!😊o7 again
“Oh no oh no” 😂
Queing is getting worse, now that you mention it. I wonder if its the playbase dropping, or just a summertime effect :-?
This ship used to be good in testing, and now it was nerfed to the ground in both terms of maneuverability and gun accuracy because y'all couldn't keep your mouth shut and wanted to complain that it turned well, that the guns rotated fast, that 16 conkek guns have no right to be acccurate. WeeGee ripped this ship apart to the point it's unplayable, gave it worse dispersion, gave it slower turning, slower gun rotating, increased reload time. and the result? this. superships aren't allowed to be good nowadays unless it's the 1st gen (satsuma, annapolis, etc) and the same shit is happening to Maine. British Colombo. No point in having this many guns if they're gonna be inaccurate, but ok.
What are the costs for service? Can you break even if you only get 60,000 damage and run the lower economic bonuses? Thanks for the response.
You're going to lose money on that. You'll need at a minimum 100k damage to break even.
Are you ever going to return to legends?
Wg way of adding new content to the game
Either subs or more HE or planes
Stronger Conqueror firepower wise...if played in right position it can really be annoying...more annoying than Thunderer
I'll be honest I don't like it, or the super monty.
Can't help but feel like the uk super bb should have been thunderer wot a superheal and hp buff, maybe 12 guns with a reload nerf.
Super monty should have been 12 gun ohio with better secondary and AA and a hp buff.
Instead we get 16 gun versions.
That was 'fun', according to WG?
If that's a reasonable illustration of the highest level gameplay WoWS has to offer, it's astonishing to me anyone bothers with it.
Seeing BBs melt under stupid volumes of small calibre gunfire grinds my gears, too; always has.
I can totally recommend using the 3 Point skill for reduced Repair Team Reload. Perfect for brawling, you can tank so much
I don't understand the logic of a lot of these superships, they put out mediocre boats but leave satsuma and conde untouched.
aiming bugs 5 years old+, why would they ever fix that???
Turret angles are better than... Literally the worst turrets in the game?! I would hope so lol
Be fair. They could just have copy pasted the existing conqueror and just removed the nerfs it gotten and that would have sufficed for a supership 😂
that thing devastates alright. top tier wont get any better anytime soon it seems
I WANT IT!!!!!!!
I 1 shoted 1 of this in a satsuma with bowpen
NO - VO - SIB - EERSK
christ alive it's like you're not even trying
Every time he says, "Kinda spooky." I just cringe my ass off.
I mean with all respect I know why you aren't fan of conqueror Sir, if I were 11 tier and make about 50 K dmg per game I also wouldn't like to play conqueror ; )
Novo-see-beer-sk. Clearly PQ hasn't played Metro Exodus lol
OH NO
Nerf incoming! Seem's a lot of new ship's seem have this process now, they are overpowered when they first get released and everyone wants one then they nerf them.
This is a devastation against humanity
Super conq in WOT and WOWS lol😅
So the hate the Thunderer and Petro have had for as long as they have been in game and WG brings out 2 pay to win super versions of those ships, sadly why I stopped playing
Pay to win lol. You don’t get an automatic win cause you played this ship and you pay to ply since it cost a lot more to run than regular t10:ships.I don’t see many ss in games cuas Ethel cost too much to play. I have the credits to play them but I don’t cause of the cost.
So.. Conqueror still has better dispersion than devastation? Well, i'm not gonna research for devastation after watching this, it's quite terrible thank you anyway.
Hannover isn't allowed any, and I mean any overmatch , cus Germany...😑
Hannover has always had 32mm overmatch with its 19in guns.
I am never playing T10 randoms again with such piece of shit ships in this game.
Yep, randoms are nigh unplayable now.
This guy might be worse than I am..
Just watching this pisses me off. I know just how the majority of people will continue to just use HE all the time without switching ammo types.
Absolutely lazy gameplay style and doesn't reward any risk-taking
Satan's Yacht...
two really poor battles on Super Conq I start to think that Patrie is way better Super Ship than this one..
To be fair he didn't play the ship very well. Pushed up in the first match which isn't really how you play conqueror then got focused and died.
true
please consider stoping the use of in game music in your videos . It does not sounds good .
more super ship bs...WG has gone wild...MM and this game's fun factor have dropped considerably...sending love and peace to everyone...
Tbh... i dint care anymore
I never understood some people praising the ohio accuracy... mine has always been a fucking terrible shotgun ... Id rather go with monti consistency all day.
just awful for the game, sad to see these ships come into the game.
Novo-seeBee-rsk
why the hell you pushed in with a ranged UK ship? testing limits? ITS UK not German. UK ships burn and never tank. I think only the German and French are the better super BB then the Japans BB. USSR super BB just sucks.