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- At a bronze statue of Joe Paterno, the former Penn State football coach, a critic and fans spar over his legacy.
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I drove by Beaver Stadium today and this was all I could think of. Good on that guy for executing his right to freedom of speech when so many people turn their heads and go on like nothing ever happened. I also can't believe the artist of that mural re painted the halo over Paterno's head to me he's no saint.
I hope karma comes back on all of these people defending that statue and attacking a teacher for not being brainwashed like the rest of them.
History has judged this man to be right and all these other clowns berating him as wrong
+Derrick Wade No it hasn't. The Attorney General and a Victim's attorney have refuted this disturbed man's ravings. Bernie, on the other hand has had to pay fines for harassment and is well-known to local law enforcement there.
Wrong
Gotta give this retired math instructor props for standing up against Joe Paterno.
well, he was standing up to a dead man, not sure he deserves "props"
@@Shorty_Lickens no, he needs to be remembered for what he truly was
The ironic part of all of this is that Sandusky's behavior was covered up because Paterno, Curley, Schulz and Spanier thought that it would destroy the football program. Their failure to report this incident subsequently DESTROYED the football program.
+Paul y - There are so many of us who are just hoping and waiting for the trials of Curley,Schulz and Spanier so that we can REALLY hear about who did what and when. The football program "survives", but I would like to hear about what happened within the Penn State administration.
+Paul y - its ironic your commenting on the matter when its clear you have no knowledge of the matter
No evidence paterno was involved in a cover up from a Sandusky prosecutors, where’s the evidence he allegedly covered it up for his program
The reaction of these 'fans' is so depressing, why can't they just allow him to make his point as he was doing peacefully? Get your picture taken next to one of the brave victims who testified to put a monster, protected by this monster, behind bars
Those who continue to deny hat happened face harsh judgment in their lives
Joe Pas new statue should be of him looking the other way .
Nah. They're going to move it to the library to remind people to keep quiet.
Joe Smith ...Into a sewage drain...!!
Joe Smith How appropriate that Paterno's raised finger is brown. Burn in hell Joe.
Oscar Banuelos Joe didn't molest anyone so how's that appropriate?
www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19521850/ex-penn-state-officials-graham-spanier-gary-schultz-tim-curley-get-jail-failing-report-jerry-sandusky-crimes
What a wonderful, decent, man. Very brave, sticking his morals and humanity is truly is something to be admired.
Being from Phila and Penn I understand people wanting to give JP a pass and the paternal influence and desire to protect him but history never judges people who ignore it or build statues to and hero worship people while theyre still alive to kindly
Blind hero worship and obsession with sports is a key reason our country wont or cant fix real issues and why things keep getting worse. We need to be honest with ourselves and start dealing with problems.
This man is courageous. Good for him, standing up against the JoePa sheeple, and standing up proudly for Penn State.
Quinntessence Joe Paterno was not a good person and idiots just like to attack him because of his success.
Quinntessence this man is a whack job
he made his point and I admire his guts
He was wrong to get in the way of people's pictures and stuff but he was right to stand there by the statue and remind everyone that Joe is definitely not this beacon of integrity he claimed to be.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 and we must remember what The Lord says about Idol worshipping.
Whether you agree with him or not, one thing you have to admit is that this guy truly had balls of steal for certain. Very few would have been willing to make the brave stand he did that day, when not many were with him and on his side at first. Gotta admire him for that at the very least.
PA law is very explicit about mandate reporters being professional teachers, coaches, daycare workers, as well as volunteers in programs involving minors in that the adult in charge must contact the proper authorities upon witnessing a possible sexual abuse act against a minor or if a minor reveals to an adult in such a program that he or she has experienced abuse by an adult. The adult does not determine whether or not the incident is viable or not. That is to be determined by the proper authorities who will make a decision after their investigation. The employment adult or volunteered adult is legally bound to simply immediately contact the proper authorities. Teachers can lose their PA Teaching Certification for life for failure to make a swift and timely report. So, Joe Paterno and the administration had no right to make and "in house" decision as to how they would handle Sandusky's shower incident. Termination was the approporiate decision for a PA institution.
For some reason watching in 2019. This is hard to watch. What a brave man, I wish I could be standing there right alongside him. And any time I felt scared or threatened I would think of those scared boys being assaulted by Sandusky and so I would stand there for them, and be their voice, when nobody else would be....
Nikki O. Kudos to this guy for standing up and speaking out. Joe Pa was an enabler. Sad.
@@fxontv he was an absolute enabler. This story infuriates me.
I'm not one to judge anyone, but the site of the statue is a very filthy place. I went to see it for myself a year or two ago. I saw two shirtless drunk guys urinating into a nearby trashcan, and then another drunk pushed them out of the way and vomited in the general vicinity of the trashcan in full view of everyone. These people actually were amused by this insanity!
Joe Paterno knew of Sandusky abuse in 1976, Penn State had 6 chances to report.
"Is it accurate that Coach Paterno quickly said to you, 'I don't want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about?'" the man's lawyer asked him in 2014.
"Specifically. Yes ... I was shocked, disappointed, offended. I was insulted... I said, is that all you're going to do? You're not going to do anything else?"
Paterno, the man testified, just walked away.
pure speculation
@@FervAnimalLover That's what he testified to. What reason would he have to lie?
@@ryancalhoun2910 It was hearsay in a civil trial and never substantiated. Not once.
@@ryancalhoun2910 Money.
I've read Paterno's auto-biography. While I can understand people thinking Paterno could have moved the investigation along, and should have. Paterno, however, was not a sworn officer of the law and had no authority to conduct the investigation. According to what I've read he reported the allegations, he could not control whether the Investigation was conducted.
Did he have to honor him and praise him publicly for being a foster parent? Did he have to allow him to continue bringing little boys to Penn State to be molested? Why didn't he publicly speak out? He knew since 1976 and still worked and associated with the man. It goes far beyond his reporting to his "superiors" which is laughable because it seems like Paterno ran Penn State! He honored and praised Sandusky!
Paterno did not contact the proper PA civil
authorities and that is what he was legally obliged to do as a PA Mandated Reporter once he was given the information of what the assistant coach saw. He was NOT suppose to investigate anything. That is the work of Child Protection Services and the Polices. PA LAW is very specific that if you are a professional adult working with minors (under 21 years if age) in PA, and are informed of an abuse by your staff or you are told by the minor directly of an alleged abuse, that you must contact the PA Child Protection Agency and the Police and let them do the investigation. It is crime. If a teacher you lose your PA Professional Teaching Certification for life. You may also be fined, jailed or given community service.
It's called Sandusky State now, by most people I know.
Along with "Pedo" State University too! I feel bad for those who live in the city of Sandusky, Ohio for that matter also! (L.O.L.!)
@@freakyfornash Haha
freakyfornash lol Cedar Point
@@freakyfornash I live in Michigan near Sandusky, OH. Every time I go to Cedar Point I think of Jerry lol
Was it truly proven that Paterno knew about Sandusky?
Yes
Paterno testified before a grand jury that he knew an inappropriate sexual encounter had happened. He didn’t deny it.
Opposite was proven
Attorney general said found no evidence of a cover up
Paterno absolutely 500% knew.
Hey.....Joe was told about it and did nothing. He chose his friend over his legacy. It is what it is
Wouldn’t say he did nothing. Tell me you know the definition of nothing without telling me!
If joe covered it up he wouldn’t have bothered to report it to Curley and campus police
He reported it... the higher ups didn't act.
Paterno's legacy is smeared because of other people's failures, its ridiculous.
Paterno is the epitome of someone staying around too long.
Really? A bobble head Joe as a shrine? Lol
I'm an LSU guy and we never have hardly ever played PSU in anything except for a few times. I think we won once or twice and they won the last one. I hear a lot of people from the Big Ten Conference that are MSU and Michigan fans calling it "Pervert State University". That's kind of harsh but then again I don't know the details of this. It gave the school a black eye forever.
It’s sad how this whole thing tore us apart. It broke our family.
BTW, to that guy in blue... act that tough around someone your age and size you COWARD! and those people adoring the statue of their hero... shame on you!
Thought that dude in the white polo shirt was Phil Jackson! 😅
Joe Pa died and didn't get due process!!!! So, literally how do any of us know what really happened!!! WE ARE
When he slaps the paper out of that guys hands...that's assault.
+Mou Jalout - if it were me I wouldn't care what he called paterno but if he had called me a pedophile enabler like he did to the guy I would have smashed his face in on the spot, you cant throw those terms around right to some ones face and expect it to go uncontested
+Joe Pa - and no I did not enjoy the ass kicking from OSU, although I had written the game off as a loss prior to the start of the season I had hoped it would be a closer game, we are a very mediocre team and not a good road team and they are the #1 team in the country playing at home and its their night game to boot so im very realistic about the situation, however you saying "shows you that a black-out is superior to a white-out!" is the most moronic words ever spoken, OSU is as good this year as they were last year and we were worse last year vs this year and when they came to our house to the white out well double overtime the interception call and the field goal game clock all speak for themselves, an 8 o clock kickoff white out at beaver stadium is the greatest home field advantage in college football and the craziest student section at any kickoff time, it does not matter how much you hate PSU these are facts and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it
+kos22us so then what do you call someone who supports a pedophile enabler like paterno?
+kos22us - I wish I were there to stand up for this old man. I would have protected him from the likes of you.
kos22us then you would have been charged with assault.
Y’all like to forget Joe Paterno told who he needed too, but the higher ups didn’t do what they needed to. I’m not even a Penn State fan, but stop trying to drag down the name of Paterno for the actions of the higher ups.
that blonde though
This guy's got a good heart.
the more i think of it about it the more i think that Joe Paterno should have been put behind Bars,
i think he should have been put in Jail,
+TheRapper10000 but i think Paterno knew what been going on and he should have been behind bars that is where i think he belongs
yes you are right but would you believe that some of them are still working,
Hell be in hell for the rest of eternity so he'll do his time
Nobody cares what you "think"
If I remember correctly, Paterno reported this but the bigwigs at Penn State didn't want the shitstorm and Paterno rolled with that. I am not saying that is right but the real criminal is in jail. Paterno should have done more, but there is a lot of misguided anger here. Since Paterno is Penn state and he is this paternal figure, all the anger is directed at him.
Ok so I guess Joe, seeing Sandusky all over campus with different boys all the time, never thought "gee maybe I should personally look into this?". Stop giving him a pass. Watch the film Paterno starring Al Pacino it's a VERY accurate depiction of what REALLY happened. Paterno wasn't evil but he made a deal with the devil for sure.
It’s actually a lot more complicated than people realize. This stuff happens all the time but hopefully people are more educated on this stuff now.
The following is a direct quote from today's news, "A court order related to the millions of dollars owed to the victims of Jerry Sandusky says that Penn State coaches, including Joe Paterno, may have known of child abuse allegations against Sandusky as far back as 1976." HE KNEW, what else was that monster guilty of?
+Alexander TG And the PA Office of Attorney General and even a Victim's attorney refuted it. You might want to check out what Amir Bar-Lev's "hero" Bernie McCue has been found guilty of. He's no stranger to local law enforcement.
Given the new evidence, will you admit that "may be" He knew? c'mon just a little may be...
They need to turn the Paterno statue around so he can forever look the other way.
Horrible report by NYT
This brave man passed away in 2017
Bernie McCue was the town loon and made up nonsense allegations against Paterno
What the do with the statue after remove?
In storage...
I love this guy !!!!!!!
Honestly usually find protest as obnoxious but this one is reasonable it’s unbelievable how much people still love Paterno in state college
Why would you take a picture next to a statute of a dead football coach?
Well Paterno was still alive at the time this protest was going on though.
Turns out he was only “mostly dead.”
His protest helped bring down that statue since it would be a constant site of fights. Good for him! What a sick cult of personality.
It's good to see rational ideas prevail.
I'm all for that statue if only they add a pitchfork to it.....
Even over a decade later, no matter what Penn State does, they will never be able to fully wipe away the stain of these horrific crimes. There are just some incidents that are permanently scarred into a university’s image, like how Virginia Tech will always be associated with the notorious 2007 massacre.
Bingo
Sounds like Johnny Cash
Scenes legal trouble... Dies #JoeKnew
Good on u boss
wow
I would of been right next to this guy.
Paterno thought it was handled. But it wasn't. Poor guy it killed him. Great football coach though.
Happy Valley had the worst of the worst felonious crap going on for decades. All of us in the Big Ten was disgusted and made to feel ashamed that something like that could happen in our own conference. It was like when Oprah interviews the family of a serial killer and they have all had to change their last names and appear pixelated because they're so ashamed of what one of their own did. The NCAA sanctions on the school should not have been lifted early. Too many people were in on the cover up or turned a blind eye; which is just as bad. They should've dismantled the entire school and made Penn State give all of their students scholarships to other state colleges. That school should be a lumpy field of grass and debris that isn't even displayed on Google Maps.
JOE KNEW!
It's like the grassy knoll....
With apologies to Ludacris:
My coach bad,
My coach hood,
My coach turned a blind eye like I knew he would.
Salute to this guy ❤. These morons wanting their picture taken with this pervert make me sick
He wasn’t the pervert it was Jerry
Regardless Joe could’ve had put an end to Jerry’s mess way before so many victims were accounted for
@@slaktheking69an enabler of a pervert is just as bad especially being the CEO of the PSU Football Team!!
@@user-kk7nr1jk3k You know nothing about the case
@@slaktheking69 No he couldn't have, because there was nothing to cover up, as NCIS agent John Snedden confirmed. The boy in the shower, Allen Myers, said nothing happened that night. You know nothing about the case.
@@hjsimpson I know he didn’t fire the Pedo
5:54 people are posing with a bobble head of Joe Paterno? They are truly blind to his involvement.
You have no idea what his "involvement" was save reading ESPN headlines.
Paterno did what he was supposed to do. He reported it to the athletic director and after that he had to focus on what he was being paid to do. The AD should have gone to the police or report to a higher up in the University.
I’m glad they removed that statue. 😊
Penn State's football program should have been disbanded permanently
This guy was being a jerk by blatantly getting in people's pictures however I support him standing off to the side where the cops asked him to stand. Joe is complicit in being naive to a point where he is not the man he claimed to be and while he was not a bad man he was flawed like everyone. The entire situation is unfortunate because the threads uncover complicity of people who are only guilty by association, unfortunately.
Joe wasn’t guilty by association. He was guilty of failing to take any interest in the sexual abuse of children. He dismissed it as somebody else’s problem. He didn’t care.
@@myguykaikai9215 I wasn't saying Joe was guilty by association but the secretaries of Curly and Schultz and some other coaches and players were only guilty by association. Joe Paterno turned out to be a huge fraud. He knew Sandusky quite possibly molested a child as did the other higher ups, and they swept it under the rug. It's a disgrace.
God bless this man and shame on anyone who would cover up this horror.
Great comment. God bless him and yourself too. I wish you and yours a happy and safe 2021.
Loved the second guys reaction. You are a coward if you call someone a pedophile enabler, without knowing there background.
Anyone who'd want a picture of joe ped's statue is a pedophile enabler
@@stanwilson5241 You have to realize what Joe Pa meant to fans of Penn State. What do you do when someone who you hold a lot of respect for ends up being something you never could have imagine they would be?
Yes. The objectively right thing to do is to accept reality and change your position. But let's not pretend that is easy to do. It takes going through stages to come to that conclusion for many people. And for some, they're never able to accept it.
Everyone is in the wrong in some ways in this video. This man was there to provoke people. His message would have been a lot stronger had he said nothing at all and just held his sign. Not through accusations at people as they walk away.
@@elliott8596 I think he was there to get the conversation moving about the removal of the statue which is what ultimately happened. For a man who decided to turn a blind eye.
I went State Penn 1985,, Jerry Sandusky didnt hit on me, I felt saddened.
I AM FROM ALABAMA, AND IAM PROUD TO BE FROM THE SOUTH! WE HAVE RESPECTED JOE PATERNO FOR YEARS BECAUSE HE HAD CLASS AND WAS AN HONORABLE MAN. I DON'T BELIEVE HE WOULD HAVE EVER ENABLED ANY BAD ACTIVITY WHEN HE WAS YOUNG. HOWEVER WHEN WE GET OLD OUR MIND STARTS TO SLIP AND PEOPLE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF US IF THEY ARE ABLE. SANDUSKY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF JOE WHEN HE WAS AN OLD MAN. WE SHOULDN'T BLAME JOE, HE SHOULD HAVE STEPED DOWN WHEN HE WAS 70 AND NO OF THIS EVER WOULD HAVE OCCURRED.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HURT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS AND THEY WANT TO HURT OTHERS WHEN THEY GET THE CHANCE. THESE PEOPLE ATTACKING JOE PA ARE JUST LOOKING FOR TROUBLE. JOE WAS A VICTIM! I DON'T BELIEVE HE WOULD HAVE EVER WANTED TO HURT A CHILD.
GOD BLESS JOE PA!!!!
How old was he in 1976?
if you ask me i think that Joe Paterno should be the one put behind Bars,
+george kenney - your the media's sheep !
no matter what you say i still say that he should also have been put behind Bars along with his friend,
+george kenney - and that's fine if that's your opinion but you cant put people behind bars because of opinions as I am sure you know that is craziness, but for the factual record he did not not go behind bars because he did not commit a crime, no matter what you say or think you cant change that its a fact
because he thinks more of his friend Jerry then those other young boys
+george kenney - that doesn't make any sense in reference to what were talking about, but your reply is very typical, predictable, and boring, there are rational people that take the media's word on anything but will take a 2nd look at the actual facts if a worthy fact is tossed up to them, and then there are haters which is the category that you fall into, when one throws up a valid point instead of saying hmmm im going to look into this a little more they simply reply this : "because he thinks more of his friend Jerry then those other young boys" - "George Kenney"
What a brave decent man. If there is a God I hope he blesses this guy.- These people are pig ignorant morons. - That woman who said he touched her - what a truly horrible dangerous person.
Joe Pet
Funny how people can be brainwashed over a false idol. Now if it was some of there kids they would feel so different.
free paterno bruh
RIP joepop
+david pavlovich its Joe Pa
This guys awsome!!!
I just don't understand why people cannot move on and forward and instead keep looking at the past. The Sandusky Scandal is behind me, and I'm moving on. When our team is successful, people are gonna hate the WHOLE school because of one person's actions? Very un-Godlike don't ya think?
Joe should have gone to the police in the first place.
What would he tell them that wasn't hearsay?
Joe knew
The professor should have known better. As Franco Harris said the media and others condemned him without due process. Later the Freeh report was found to be faulty and biased and Coach was found to be not guilty of any wrong doing and reported it as required by law. Many owe him and his family an apology.
This guy is an enormous joke, calling people all sorts of derogatory names and assaulting them. Dishing it out but too scared to take it. Joke, like a bad skit from the office.
The real reason you are upset is because you know he is right. Your hero was a pedo protector.
@@EvolutionIX219 I’m not the one standing outside a public space, assaulting both men and women during family photos, and cowardly insulting them when after walk away. I’m not a Penn State fan and I certainly don’t look at Paterno as a hero, but this guy is, ironically, a sniveling monument to knee-jerk, emotional virtue-signaling and social degradation due to ignorance despite a breadth of information to the contrary.
Let Joe rest in peace ffs..... All the great things he did shouldn't be ignored
The media was out to get Joe Pa for decades. There’s 2 sides to every story.
pedo enabler
Put the statue back up. There was no cover up , since there was nothing to cover up. Please google John Snedden Penn state to begin your search for the truth
The protester is a disgrace joe didn’t do anything wrong he’s a good guy
Yeah ok buddy keep your head in the sand
Joe paterno is number one.
As a penn state fan, i can tell you that almost none of us still idolize the 'Pedo', but what this guy did was arrogant and unneeded.
Joe paterno was innocent
"Pics or it did not happen."
Joe Paterno
pedo enabler