Sherlock and Mycroft Holmes
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- čas přidán 29. 12. 2011
- Watson gets to hear a little about Holmes's family and gets to meet Mycroft for the first time. From "The Greek Interpreter"
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I prefer this interpretation of Mycroft over all the others. There is no real animosity between the two, just the meeting of two similar minds engaged in a familiar game.
I completely agree! What they did with the character Mycroft in the tv-show Elementary is so so wrong. The missed, in what is otherwise a great tv-show, both the actor and the stories.
Yes. And the BBC completely left behind the idea that Mycroft was smarter than Sherlock. Yes, they kept telling us, but what they showed was very different. Ah, Moffat.....
@@crabbieappleton not to mention, Sherlock is a brat in the BBC one. I can't even see him as an adult with the way he's acting
@@crabbieappleton Mycroft was such an idiot in Sherlock, at least in the last season.
They also behave more like brothers in how they greet one another while Elementary and Sherlock pairs act like temperamental children.
"But what are the qualifications for the Diogenes club?"
"Shyness and misanthropy"
LMAOOOO
Where do I sign up!? ;)
I'm confident I will make the cut. Where do I sign up?
The ultimate club of 'minding your own damn business.' Count me in.
I'm in.
count me in!
Holmes: … My brother Mycroft…
Watson: [Dear God there’s more than one of them…] … _you have a brother?_
I have always admired JB as Sherlock Holmes. He set a high standard for all other actors to follow.
I don't agree with JB setting a high standard, in my opinion he did set just a normal good standard in which the other actors after him were way below of what normally good serius performances should be!
But it's not just one actor but the sum of the actors and directors as well that contributed to these well made series and good acting!
That's why I think to some people or millennials it seems like his acting is very great or legendary because people compare it to other's actors playing after him and their role was not good at all, when in fact it's just a well played role and it shouldn't be hyped at all.
@@andreanicolas9363 that's alot of writing for what amounts to a load of old claptrap.
J.B. OWNS the role. Once you see him I that role , he will become the only Holmes ever.
Fritz Weaver was a great Holmes on Broadway in the 60s.
Thus far unmatched, in my opinion
the look on WATSON'S face when he meets MYCROFT '' Oh good GOD there are two of them !!'' surprised and elated great scene !! AFTERNOON!!
John Watson was about 25-30 years old. This old man is not Watson. Vitaly Solomin is the greatest Watson of all time.
Yes, this Mycroft, OWNS that role.
Charles Gray is impeccable as Mycroft. That slightly disconcerted look he gives Watson when he says: "But surely you were taking things a little too far just now..."
Mycroft is very affectionate to his younger brother & also to Dr. Watson. I like it.
Modern Entertainment likes to view these brothers as brothers who just can't stand each other, this is why I like this version of them.
They support each other when it is needed most. When Holmes and Watson had to disappear to escape Moriarty, Mycroft drove the cab with Watson. When Mycroft needed Holmes to help him recover secret submarine plans that were stolen, Holmes jumped to help him. Sure, they both have egos, but they stick together when the situation calls for it.
The Stephen Fry / Guy Richie version seemed to get on fine with his brother. Even going so far to call him Shirley.
God, he is a damned fine Sherlock!!!!
Tracey Hand The finest. And only actor to act out all the canonical stories if memory serves me.
Tracey You look damn fine as well. I'm just saying.
@@markhenryramsey9132 Not quite all of them.
He is the ^only^ Sherlock.
I adore Benedict Cumberbatch, bit Jeremy Brett will always be *the* Sherlock Holmes.
The best interpretation of Sherlock and Mycroft Holmes imo. Way better than the latest adaptations of these iconic characters.
Have you seen cowboy Mycroft?
@@mrhutchblackdog4636 Cowboy Mycroft? Explain yourself
I also liked Christopher Lee's Mycroft.
Stephen Fry's mycroft was great as well, that character suits him well although the movie itself left much to be desired.
I'm going to have to sit down with a cup of tea and watch these all. The camera pan over all the misanthropic men ignoring each other is BRILLIANT.
As a introvert is a blessing. Doing your own thing in a classy place, just having a nice time.
Not much of a extrovert either, but man... after a time, this would feel stifling.
This has to be one of my favourite scenes in all the series. All 3 actors playing their respective roles perfectly.
My thoughts exactly.
If the art of the detective began and ended in reasoning from an arm-chair, my brother would be the greatest criminal agent that ever lived. :)
"This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them!"
"He has no ambition" There goes my thought of making Mycroft a Slytherin.
We always have BBC Sherlock version of Mycroft I'm-Ministry-of-Magic Holmes
Mycroft is indeed a hufflepuff . He has no regard for Slytherian ambition as his too intelligent . He knows it's self defeating and limited .
HufflePuff, all the best public servants are come from that house. Concientious, competent and without malice. Worker bees for the others and therefore more likely go survive various magic wars. But Mycroft probably ended up in Ravencraw because of The Shyness and Misanthropy 😊
@@et4751 I'd probably tip towards Ravenclaw!Mycroft too. He seems to enjoy being off in his own mind more than anything else. Considering we find out he basically supervises the entire British government later on, he clearly doesn't mind mental exertion, just physical. And yet he's not in it for power or money (Sherlock specifically says he isn't paid that much), he just does the work for its own sake.
He clearly does care about Sherlock and is a loyal brother in his way, but relationships don't seem to be his priority. It's mentioned in the stories that he's visited Sherlock at home a grand total of 2 times. Of course, you can be introverted and a Hufflepuff, and I wouldn't totally rule out Mycroft being one, but I'd expect personal connections to be a bigger focus for him if he was.
@@et4751 "All the best public servants come from that house." Can you please cite your sources for that? As a Hufflepuff, I'm happy to see the house recognized for being as awesome as it is! :)
There will never be another Sherlock like JBs. He was superb and the sexiest man ever.
I entirely agree! My goodness, what a fine Holmes!
@starchildstrider Move over and let me get into this swoon, lol!!!
@Qwerty123 He is a force of nature! My chest hurts just watching these video tributes!
@starchildstrider What a man! He's been gone almost 24 yrs, but you wouldn't know it. I created a Sherlock tribute board on Pinterest maybe 3 days ago. Within hours- people were following the page...
@Qwerty123 He and Scofield were certainly contemporaries, so I'm not sure why. They appear to have been on parallel with tracks on the stage at least. JB was mentored by Laurence Olivier, and then Hollywood called. His credits run the gamut from Dracula with Charlton Heston to a guest spot on the Love Boat! IMDb.com is an excellent resource to find who did what and when...
Jeremy Brett and Edward Hardwicke shows that you do not need CGI to make a great Sherlock Holmes. For me this is Sherlock Holmes and no other.
@stephen noonan I agree, and I wish they had kept David Burke.
@@zorrothefox2000 they would have done I think but he had an offer from the Royal Shakespeare Company which he wanted to take up.
@@blossie33 and from what I heard, Edward became Watson on the show on behalf of Burke’s recommendation.
@@RobertSmithhalo yes, I think I heard that said in an interview too.
@@zorrothefox2000 Yes, I wish David Burke continued playing Watson. Edward Hardwicke was good. But David Burke was far better.
One of the BEST scenes in the Series. I LOVED Watson's look on His face. I'm happy that the Complete Series is now on Blu-ray.
It's now on blu-ray? I have the complete series on DVD but this is one I'll be happy to upgrade for.
Oh, man, I wish I could afford the DVD set of this series, let alone the Blu-ray. Not to mention a Blu-ray player :P lol
@@riversong4997 I've just bought the dvd box set on ebay for £15!
@@riversong4997 same here!!! The complete series of Granada Sherlock Holmes is so expensive here in the US!
Charles Gray was clearly enjoying himself. He was brilliant as Mycroft and had played him previously in "The Seven Percent Solution"
He also brilliantly played Julius Caesar in the BBC production.
I love the no talking rule.
I dated someone who loved this as well...
@@wendybabendy I guess you guys didn't have much to say. Lol !
What a club. "We can talk in here", and it's the library.
That was actually a pretty good bit of deduction on Watson's part. If the police and half of London have Holmes' number on speed dial (or whatever the equivalent of speed dial was in the late 1800's) then it would stand to reason that people would know more about Mycroft.
Social networking in the beginning, then the Strand publications some time after Watson started writing. Though I do believe the use of the early telephone network featured in at least one of the Edwardian-era Holmes stories.
The form of speed dial in Holmes era would have been the baker Street irregulars.
God damn that is a good looking Sherlock Holmes. I mean, besides of the acting, which is also fantastic. What a really high standard for any other actor aspiring to be Sherlock.
They were so wonderful together weren't they.
It could only be Charles Gray. What casting!
obsessed with how Holmes and Watson both skip steps. these boys are going places! quickly!
So good, Watson like a fan at meet&greet
And these two, the most charming brotherly rivalry that I have ever seen.
It is actually very amusing to play this game at the mall. Me and my Father always engage in meaningful conversations about this 'game of assumptions' as he calls it
Yes, I love Mycroft.
I love how Sherlock can't bring himself to admit he needs Mycrofts help so Watson makes it easy for him by saying HE wants to meet him
How True! I had never thought about it in this way.
he was the sherlock that i grew up with so JB will always be my sherlock holmes and i will always appreciate what a fine job he did.
Ahh, Sherlock. It's just a jump to the left.
"if the
art of the detective began and ended in reasoning from an armchair "
That's Nero Wolfe in a nut Shell !
Well I know some think Nero may be descended from Mycroft or Sherlock (perhaps a son) and if either is true, he definitely took after Mycroft.
Because yeah, Nero is brilliant, but he doesn't actually like being a detective, hence why he charges so much for his services and has Archie do all the legwork.
Nero is very much what I imagine Mycroft would do if circumstances forced him to use his deductive abilities as a profession rather than as effectively a party trick. I mean as we see from his expanded role in a few episodes, Gray's Mycroft absolutely could be a successful detective if he wanted to, but he doesn't want to, he is content with the life he has and moves from it only when circumstances force him to do so.
It was my good fortune to find the complete volume of Sherlock Holmes which includes four novels and fifty six adventures by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. I found it in a second hand shop a decade ago for less than five dollars. It’s one of my favorites books. When I read the adventures, I only picture Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes and no one else. I watch these episodes over & over. I never tire of them. If I must go away, I take my complete Sherlock Holmes with me to read. Hooked on Sherlock.
I absolutely loved this series as it tried to be as close to the stories as it possibly could!
Curiosity of Dr Watson is true acting prowess.
2:46 For whatever reason, this is one of my favorite scenes from this episode.
Watson's like *oh my god fascinating..
That's a club for the intelligence community, no two ways about it, also love the look of curiosity on his face when he finds out about mycroft
I LOVE that line! It says everything about Mycroft and his character.
Charles Gray bought a mystery and intrigue to Mycroft that very few actors could ever have done. Such an underrated actor. Fabulous actor .
I love Mycroft .. 💙
Mycroft is a well of
knowledge. SH
Jeremy Brett is the Ultimate Sherlock Holmes
Mycroft.... are you still trying to take over the world with that diamond powered satellite?
Charles Gray's Mycroft is perfect, no pettiness just a mischievous oneupmanship between an older brother and his sibling
i always want to go back in times and to live victorian era ever since i saw this serial and dreamt of recreating baker street 221B
Hands down the best of all the different varieties and Versions of Sherlock Holmes. Nothing after this series compares to me .some before are good and I've enjoyed them this one just hits me like an arrow from Robbin hood streight to the heart of doing wonderful things well.
one of my favorite scenes !!
Ooooof. Those 7 years older than Sherlock have not been kind to Mikey.
Charles Gray was born in 1928. Jeremy Brett was born in 1933. So only 5 years real age difference.
@@johnking5174 even worse! (Though thank you for the actual facts! Didn't know! I was referring to the Sherlock Canon of Mycroft being 7 years Sherlock's senior)
Does Sherlock not realise his brother once tried to destroy Washington DC with a space laser?
What is this reference? It sounds familiar.
@@riversong4997 Diamonds are Forever (Que James Bond Theme)
@@George-Hawthorne thank you!
At least there is no one standing in a large pot relieving himself on passersby. That would be a true Diogenes Club.
"He has no ambition and no energy" - me after I hit 40.
For a second I thought the horse and carriage was in the building. I was like "HOW AND WHY DO THEY HAVE THAT?"
I love the affection between these two. And for a rather crude comment, I've always wondered about that room in the Diogenes club. What if someone passed gas? I mean it's so darn quiet in there.
Passed gas? Surely you jest.
There was only one meeting criteria for diogenes club at the starting. That was shyness. Then someone farted and by default misanthropy was added.
And that’s how it’s done.
Haha thanks for posting.
Holmes wore the Jeremy outfit well
Watson's "Are you shitting me?" face at 1:23
2:43 this whole scene is so funny and cute
The best of the best
Aahh... Mr. Melas
I think they might go to the stranger's room for such an indiscretion :)
1:28-"Great that means he actually wants to see my family."
4:17-Courtside at Wimbledon begins now....
As good as this is, I do wish they'd kept the scene at Baker Street as in the story. By changing it so that Holmes goes to the Diogenes club rather than having Mycroft come to him, they undercut how serious the problem is.
Holmes and Watson go to Pall Mall (across from the Diogenes Club) to visit Mycroft in the short story. Mycroft visits Holmes in a different story, “The Bruce-Partington Plans”.
Jeremy Brett... As Sherlock... Nothing less will do.
What an epic, matchless cast there. I need to go find "The Greek Interpreter" on BritBox
It's here on CZcams, man. Uploaded by a user called Naruto Shippuden
Look up the channel “Your Daily Brew” here on YT. He’s got the complete Jeremy Brett SH series here
You can also watch them on ITV Hub app I believe
Or watch on ITV4
Charles Gray 1920-2002: Died from cancer: age 71. As Mycroft:
Never married:
Later in that episode if l remember right Mycroft shouts :'Sherlock, lam not made for running... ! ' l like the interactions between these two brothers... so quite seldom... but if so, they work together in a great fasion...
Holmes calling his brother ’ODD’ Is quite funny as he himself is considered odd by others.
The way he searched for papers is laughable.
That was pretty cool.
@SneverusSnapers yeah...i was just looking thru what i had, and i started watchin this one!! :) tidying up is one of those things most people dont like ;)
The arm chair detective - allow me to create Nero Wolfe
@fbspin u are very welcome :)
In tribute to the great Jeremy Brett, my new book is Devon Holmes: The Letter Of Scarlet has been written!
Ah yes the brother of Sherlock holmes… Minecraft
Surely there must be a monograph upon the the creation and preponderance of these famous private clubs we read and see so much of. (Frankly, I find the idea of a silent reading room that serves cocktails immensely appealing) We know all about these higher-snoot Gentleman's Clubs, but I know that lower-class clubs were quite the rage all over. In my own neighborhood, in Baltimore, there was the "Charcoal Club" (on 25th st?) A more eclectic artist's establishment from the 1880s to which members were admitted upon recommendation and submitting a charcoal drawing of sufficient artistic merit. (I'd assumed it had shuttered ages ago but I'm informed it's still there to this very day)
In my opinion... Jeremy Brett is to Sherlock Holmes what Tom Baker is to Doctor Who.
❤
@kamwrites hahahaaa.... i never thought of that :P
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I ask myself when we will have another interpretation like this, unaffected by modernism; some time i believe.
Jeremy Brett is the best Sherlock ever coz he is just perfect for the role. Benedict comes close but no way he is authentic and i get its a modern take .
Mycroft looks like Ed Warren from the Conjuring
Is there a club likely this? I hate talking i want to be a member
@theonlyHolmesJB - "Glad to meet you, Dr. Watson. I hear of Sherlock everywhere since you became his..." what? I've replayed this and cannot understand that tossed-off end-of-line. Can you help me?
... chronicler.
@@eralehm Thank you.
what is with the eye contact from Watson at 5:13 though that is hilarious
Is the Diogenes club named after Diogenes the Cynic of Ancient Greece?
I can't even imagine what if Mycroft and Sherlock would've been more like this in Sherlock BBC series by mofftiss.. Benedict and Mark would've been THE power duo..
3:14 a pre-MST3K fame Tom Servo makes an appearance.
Who is playing Sherlock here?
Imagine a Victorian Gentleman's club for men with Asperger's.
I dated a "Mycroft" for a time... very interesting people they are. A little too esoteric for my taste, but interesting none-the-less.
What's not to like ?
Maybe Sherlock can find out where the hell is Mycroft's neck
I do my own shopping and am not a widower.
Edgy Bruh Maximus
OMG Mycroft is Blofeld! Well...a Blofeld
I'm a big fan of Edward Hardwicke's Watson, but it's clear I've underestimated David Burke in the role...