About 1,600 miles into a 1,700 mile trip across America, David and Andrew's 1986 Jeep Grand Wagoneer blows a hose and leaves the boys stranded in a town called Parachute.
This series is so damn good. Interesting to see someone as competent as DT freaking out about a car. Makes me feel better about getting to the stuff-throwing stage of wrenching! Thanks for bringing us along, guys!
luis545x39 what I'm saying. I was wondering why the hell he was freaking out so much, it's not like it's 40 years old and been sitting neglected for 8 of them.
Bleachanna yeah i ince vapor locked my carb on my motorcycle doing a river crossing. i thought i hydrolocked the entire engine but it was just my vacum hose going under water. it was all a matter of re routing the hose. gotta love carburetors.
HAHA same where I live too. People want a fortune for garbage here in Idaho too...and god forbid you insult them by telling them what they're trying to sell should have gone to the scrap yard decades ago.
William Todd oh god, right? Here in Kentucky, if it's "faur wheyl drayuve!" It immediately adds 1k to the asking price, regardless of whether it's actually working or not, lol. God forbid you bring up the rusted frame or trashed transmission..they'll run you out of the scrap yard for questioning their expert pricing system.
Dang I thought that was only an Idaho thing, must be running rampant across the country now HAHA!!! What really irked me was several years ago there was a 34 Ford truck out in a field about 20 miles away. At the time it was in very good condition, I don't know if it ran at the time or not but the body and everything was really really nice. I actually stopped and asked the owner what his plans were with it and he said it doesn't matter I'm not selling it he didn't know anything about it, it was just there when he bought the place and the previous owner just handed the paperwork over to the new owner for it. Well years went by and the truck just sat there and finally rusted to pieces...what the hell is wrong with people like that.
William Todd it's the same in KY my friend....there's an apache just ROTTING under a tree, owner refuses to sell "I'll get to it".....I've watched it go from a restorable project to a lump of rust.... :( I just don't understand people like that. :/
Epic guys. ThNks for the video. Such harsh comments on here. The internet can be so vapid. Chill out guys. This is a great road trip and they are young and enjoying the adventure. Congrats for taking this on, something few would have done. Keep on trucking boys and let the road take you where it may.
"we had it pegged" If the gauge was showing it was getting hot why did you keep driving? Did you guys not notice? In fairness a heater core hose failed on my mom's minivan and my mom didn't notice the engine was getting hot until the dash dinged to notify her
Not sure how fast you were goin, but 65 or 70, is about as fast as you want to go, and not for any long distances, stock they don't have the cooling capabilities. Plus they dont have an overdrive trans so at 70 mph your wound to like 3000, 3500 rpm, they were never meant to sustain that for long periods, especially going over mountain passes. They came from a time when 55 mph was the speed limit. I have an 88, with over 500,000 on it runs like a champ but I understand it's strengths and weaknesses.
Most people don't understand that exact issue with older vehicles they were built back when speed limits were 55mph, and many actually had the 55mph highlighted in some fashion or another. My 88 Ford Bronco 2 will cruise all day long at 55mph and get 25mpg while doing it with the AC on and that's with an automatic transmission, however it does have overdrive but at 55mph its running about 1700rpm...compared to the non-overdrive model at about 2,000rpm, not much difference. Totally agree though older vehicles do much better all around being ran around 55-60mph, they also get their best fuel economy in that speed range too...heck even new vehicles get better fuel economy at 55-60mph...the faster you go the faster your vehicle drinks fuel.
With the extremely high gearing offered in these things 2.72 or 3.31, you'd be pushing 80 before you'd be near 3000 rpm. I can run 70 on the interstate with mine and still be under 2500 rpm. Also, my T/A gets best economy at 80mph in 6th gear. Cruising about 1800rpm. 30+mpg. Speed and economy is no longer a direct correlation.
you can tell they're new to overheats. it's all good though, this is the best way to learn. the bite of the fuckin fire. I envy their courage to take what people would consider 'junk' cars and hit the highway with it. thats one of the reasons I fell in love with roadkill. keep it up guys. maybe consider getting a dedicated camera guy
You'd also run a possibility of toasting the coolant temp sender as well when the temp gauge got pegged. If I was sponsored by Jalopnik and had an old af beater, aside from changing the belts/hoses/liquids/fixing any cooling problems, I'd also install an aftermarket temp gauge that would be more accurate than a 30 something year old gauge. But then again I'd always glance at the temp gauge at any given moment.
Its time like these where your glad you carried a knife, duct tape, and a cooler of water..... If you don't, then toss a knife and a roll of good duct tape in the tool box.
I drove from Chillicothe Ohio to Denver Colorado in a 1983 Ford Cargo van with a 351 Windsor V8. We made it all the way to Aurora Colorado before the head gasket blew. The van only cost $700 when we got it 1 week before the trip. I think long drive seem to overheat the head and blow the gaskets. Kansas does suck to drive through, we stopped in Russell Kansas and it was boring as fuck!
I drove a PT Cruiser 500 miles with no coolant and over mountain passes I basically treated it like an air cooled vehicle and didn't care if I blew up the engine as long as I got within 100 miles of my destination so AAA can tow it. Once I got to my exit in LA, the car shut off on me and I rolled into a gas station. I got it to start again even though it didn't want to and drove it the last 2 miles.
Lucky it has cast iron heads...if it had been one of those newfangled engines with aluminum heads that Jeep wouldn't have been going any farther under its own power
And that is.......... why you need to check fluid levels regularly on old cars trust me. I know cause my Lexus LS 400 Burns oil and leaves coolant and it still runs beautifully.
Funny when today see coolant blowing out the hood on an older vehicle they think its a head gasket lol .. Fact is older vehicles never had head gasket issues...It want until the small 4 cyl and 6 cyl cars of the 1980's with aluminum heads and cast iron blocks..Now new 2000 and up V8's have cast iron and aluminum heads thus you get head gasket issues,as you need to change coolant every few years..Old cars people wouldnt even change it and still no head gasket issues on 1980's and older American V8's !
This is painful. Aren't you guys automotive journalists? You don't know what the brake light means? You didn't replace the hoses and belts before you left? No wonder I don't read jalop anymore.
Must be nice to be rich and take a perfectly good $800 vehicle on a 1700 mile trip and destroy it because of their total lack of mechanical knowledge. That Jeep Grand Wagoneer is like a $3k truck here in Idaho, if it runs and drives and its 4WD you can't touch it for under $3k...if it says Toyota on it, double the price, don't matter if every body panel on it is dented, scratched, or even missing, it'll cost ya $6k because its 4WD.
A full-size Jeep forum told them that a loose parking brake pedals causes the brake light to come on in those vehicle. Uh, duh it’s like that on tons of vehicle with that style of p-brake.
No just drivers who aren't idiots. Funny that thing has a full gauge cluster and the moron driver obviously never bothered to look at the gauge otherwise he would have noticed it getting hot long before there was trouble.
I thought so too, but I was told the Jeep Grand Wagoneers were only sold with the 360's. Maybe a few rare special order models but I haven't seen or heard of any. Would be nice to hear from a Jeep guru for sure though.
So, let me get this straight. They hit the road in this beater without installing new hoses and without having additional coolant on board and then, attemptED to drive it over some mountains...but only after preaching to us about having checked the cooling system to ensure it's on point. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
Doesn't think there's any coolant in it and runs it anyway..... What a doofus. NO mechanical sympathy, but sure whines when something goes wrong. How about a AAA membership before you leave for Moab in your beater....
People are bitching in the comments, but when is the last time you hauled such a long distance in an unreliable unproven rig? The cognitive load is too high to be on top of your game all the time, especially if you're not sleeping
The driver talks about the cooling system, and "Ya' gotta make sure it's on point". And what goes wrong? The cooling system! LOL
he was freaking out like the truck was literally on fire
I'd like to see how you'd react if you were to be stranded in the middle of nowhere.
Erevos85 I wouldn't act like some punk ass pussy, that's for sure. The guy in this video is so stupid he doesn't mix 50% water with the coolant!
8:00 minutes in. Holding coolant AND water. Again at 9:12, holding both while pouring.
Reminds me of roadkill...remember when roadkill was free? Pepperidge Farm remembers...
Still is buddy. You just need to pay a subscription if you want to watch the episodes early.
Roadkill expects failure and deals with it, these boys tend to panic a bit more.
This series is so damn good. Interesting to see someone as competent as DT freaking out about a car. Makes me feel better about getting to the stuff-throwing stage of wrenching! Thanks for bringing us along, guys!
carb was vapor locked that's why it didn't start when it was very hot.
that carb life.
luis545x39 what I'm saying. I was wondering why the hell he was freaking out so much, it's not like it's 40 years old and been sitting neglected for 8 of them.
Bleachanna yeah i ince vapor locked my carb on my motorcycle doing a river crossing. i thought i hydrolocked the entire engine but it was just my vacum hose going under water. it was all a matter of re routing the hose.
gotta love carburetors.
You're not supposed to try to start it when it's still hot anyway, it can bust a piston, crack a head or blow a head gasket.
Like how Spicoli was all "just chill dude, we just need some sweet waves".
Try overheating the garbage engines they build today and see how it works out. Those old engines are pretty tough.
William Todd I wonder if they turned the heat on full blast to help keep the motor cool as well?
Probably so, they don't seem like the brightest bulbs in the box.
wow that's a "panic attack" someone needs a yank and a nap!
The first air cooled grand wagoneer
MORE of these guys and this sort of thing please.
It'll be our substitute for Roadkill. lol
The spaz with glasses makes this damn near unwatchable
I wish wagoneers were anywhere close to $800. Here, a rusted frame and bad motor gets a "firm" 2,500 at LEAST. :/
HAHA same where I live too. People want a fortune for garbage here in Idaho too...and god forbid you insult them by telling them what they're trying to sell should have gone to the scrap yard decades ago.
William Todd oh god, right? Here in Kentucky, if it's "faur wheyl drayuve!" It immediately adds 1k to the asking price, regardless of whether it's actually working or not, lol. God forbid you bring up the rusted frame or trashed transmission..they'll run you out of the scrap yard for questioning their expert pricing system.
Dang I thought that was only an Idaho thing, must be running rampant across the country now HAHA!!! What really irked me was several years ago there was a 34 Ford truck out in a field about 20 miles away. At the time it was in very good condition, I don't know if it ran at the time or not but the body and everything was really really nice. I actually stopped and asked the owner what his plans were with it and he said it doesn't matter I'm not selling it he didn't know anything about it, it was just there when he bought the place and the previous owner just handed the paperwork over to the new owner for it. Well years went by and the truck just sat there and finally rusted to pieces...what the hell is wrong with people like that.
William Todd it's the same in KY my friend....there's an apache just ROTTING under a tree, owner refuses to sell "I'll get to it".....I've watched it go from a restorable project to a lump of rust.... :(
I just don't understand people like that. :/
And the prices are only going up.. its crazy, one an hour away from me is 3500$ and it doesn't run and has rust all over it. Its crazy.
Very exciting to say the least. Love the adventure with this Grand Wagoneer. I have an 83 Limited
Roadkill would of snatched the hood off and kept on rolling
humpty *grabs cutting wheel* "louvers help keep the engine temps down while cruising on the highway!" *cut to hood shot, hood is 100% louvered*
Epic guys. ThNks for the video. Such harsh comments on here. The internet can be so vapid. Chill out guys. This is a great road trip and they are young and enjoying the adventure. Congrats for taking this on, something few would have done. Keep on trucking boys and let the road take you where it may.
Love your adventures
Good luck!
Good memories left with this car
Severe overheating due to a bad hose...and operator neglect. Not to mention, why did he keep trying to crank it over while it was still overheating?
he was just panicking. not thinkin straight.
great video! keep this up!
Also just an fyi you should of looped the heater hoses.
Gotta watch those gauges. I love jalopnik but this isn't well produced.
The woman with glasses needs to chill out.
"we had it pegged"
If the gauge was showing it was getting hot why did you keep driving?
Did you guys not notice?
In fairness a heater core hose failed on my mom's minivan and my mom didn't notice the engine was getting hot until the dash dinged to notify her
Not sure how fast you were goin, but 65 or 70, is about as fast as you want to go, and not for any long distances, stock they don't have the cooling capabilities. Plus they dont have an overdrive trans so at 70 mph your wound to like 3000, 3500 rpm, they were never meant to sustain that for long periods, especially going over mountain passes. They came from a time when 55 mph was the speed limit. I have an 88, with over 500,000 on it runs like a champ but I understand it's strengths and weaknesses.
Most people don't understand that exact issue with older vehicles they were built back when speed limits were 55mph, and many actually had the 55mph highlighted in some fashion or another.
My 88 Ford Bronco 2 will cruise all day long at 55mph and get 25mpg while doing it with the AC on and that's with an automatic transmission, however it does have overdrive but at 55mph its running about 1700rpm...compared to the non-overdrive model at about 2,000rpm, not much difference.
Totally agree though older vehicles do much better all around being ran around 55-60mph, they also get their best fuel economy in that speed range too...heck even new vehicles get better fuel economy at 55-60mph...the faster you go the faster your vehicle drinks fuel.
With the extremely high gearing offered in these things 2.72 or 3.31, you'd be pushing 80 before you'd be near 3000 rpm. I can run 70 on the interstate with mine and still be under 2500 rpm. Also, my T/A gets best economy at 80mph in 6th gear. Cruising about 1800rpm. 30+mpg. Speed and economy is no longer a direct correlation.
you can tell they're new to overheats.
it's all good though, this is the best way to learn. the bite of the fuckin fire.
I envy their courage to take what people would consider 'junk' cars and hit the highway with it.
thats one of the reasons I fell in love with roadkill.
keep it up guys. maybe consider getting a dedicated camera guy
You'd also run a possibility of toasting the coolant temp sender as well when the temp gauge got pegged. If I was sponsored by Jalopnik and had an old af beater, aside from changing the belts/hoses/liquids/fixing any cooling problems, I'd also install an aftermarket temp gauge that would be more accurate than a 30 something year old gauge. But then again I'd always glance at the temp gauge at any given moment.
Makes me miss mine looks just like it same colour as well
jeep grand wagoneer
I don't miss mine. It was the worst truck I've ever owned! One time my starter fell off. I threw a rod, and it ran *better!*
did not expect it to be fixed
Its time like these where your glad you carried a knife, duct tape, and a cooler of water.....
If you don't, then toss a knife and a roll of good duct tape in the tool box.
And someone with a brain, because neither of the idiots in the video have one.
Kansas is the same in the Daylight.
Shawn Swigart yep! Nothing but wheat fields and biker gangs
So is most of southern Idaho. Absolutely nothing but well nothing.
that guy is annoying af
Level I get the urge to kick him in the balls and tell him to walk it off
Which one?
Guy with glasses
Dumb & Dumber lol
This is the most accurate comment
hes very overdramatic....
I drove from Chillicothe Ohio to Denver Colorado in a 1983 Ford Cargo van with a 351 Windsor V8. We made it all the way to Aurora Colorado before the head gasket blew. The van only cost $700 when we got it 1 week before the trip. I think long drive seem to overheat the head and blow the gaskets. Kansas does suck to drive through, we stopped in Russell Kansas and it was boring as fuck!
I drove a PT Cruiser 500 miles with no coolant and over mountain passes
I basically treated it like an air cooled vehicle and didn't care if I blew up the engine as long as I got within 100 miles of my destination so AAA can tow it.
Once I got to my exit in LA, the car shut off on me and I rolled into a gas station. I got it to start again even though it didn't want to and drove it the last 2 miles.
Idling it with the heater on wouldn’t have helped since it had no coolant to circulate... Glad you had spare fluids onboard.
Now I want one
How did you fix the hot/cold air mixer valve in the heater box?
Jeep with problems you say? NO.....WAY! My sarcasm fonts broken.
Sorry, but there's no way to sugar coat any drive across Kansas
Lucky it has cast iron heads...if it had been one of those newfangled engines with aluminum heads that Jeep wouldn't have been going any farther under its own power
you didnt change all the hoses after the car sat for 12 years?
steven earnshaw No kidding, they changed the water pump so it was already drained.
did you not install a temp gauge before leaving???
*Cue music as they drive off into the sunset....
Budget rigs are the best
Except in the hands of those 2 idiots.
And that is.......... why you need to check fluid levels regularly on old cars trust me. I know cause my Lexus LS 400 Burns oil and leaves coolant and it still runs beautifully.
B safe dude
Also, no water wetter? :/
Funny when today see coolant blowing out the hood on an older vehicle they think its a head gasket lol ..
Fact is older vehicles never had head gasket issues...It want until the small 4 cyl and 6 cyl cars of the 1980's with aluminum heads and cast iron blocks..Now new 2000 and up V8's have cast iron and aluminum heads thus you get head gasket issues,as you need to change coolant every few years..Old cars people wouldnt even change it and still no head gasket issues on 1980's and older American V8's !
Wait until the motor cools..........hours.
You can't buy a 32 year old car for $800 and drive it cross country without being stranded, who knew?? WTF
So Daniel O'Brien from CRACKED works for Jalopnik now?
take an $800 rust bucket cross country - WHAT could go wrong??!
This is painful. Aren't you guys automotive journalists? You don't know what the brake light means? You didn't replace the hoses and belts before you left? No wonder I don't read jalop anymore.
Must be nice to be rich and take a perfectly good $800 vehicle on a 1700 mile trip and destroy it because of their total lack of mechanical knowledge. That Jeep Grand Wagoneer is like a $3k truck here in Idaho, if it runs and drives and its 4WD you can't touch it for under $3k...if it says Toyota on it, double the price, don't matter if every body panel on it is dented, scratched, or even missing, it'll cost ya $6k because its 4WD.
A full-size Jeep forum told them that a loose parking brake pedals causes the brake light to come on in those vehicle. Uh, duh it’s like that on tons of vehicle with that style of p-brake.
William Todd I almost bought one for $700 here in Michigan.
That's Skyler's car!
Looks cold...
Eddy grand solar minimum.
Should have got an old Yota
Dang, is that chick with glasses gonna cry?
Worst driver ever
A little overboard on the drama, don't ya think?
Holy four head four eyes calm down little baby
Glasses guy has no business doing ANYTHING automative related & bearded bro drank his coffee at 7:08, he is not proud of it. F'ing YT
Is this BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAd?
This is the strangest "auto-know how" video I've seen in some time. What the hell is going on???
Dont worry my wagoneer blows up to
Not to sound rude, but you should know better than to try to start an excessively overheated engine before it cools down.
Oh yes daddy
Omg this dude needs to chill out like calm down its just an overheating problem
Glad your head gasket is all good. Thats scary
Yeah, though they may need to carry a spare engine next time
No just drivers who aren't idiots. Funny that thing has a full gauge cluster and the moron driver obviously never bothered to look at the gauge otherwise he would have noticed it getting hot long before there was trouble.
like any used car, you don't know how the car was treated be for you had it.
Why he even tries to start boiling engine? Just WTF
What engine is in that the 304ci
5.9 liter (360 cubic inch) V8
360 (5.9L) V8, only factory engine option available in them.
William Todd I thought you could get the AMC 304 and even the 401 in them🤔
I thought so too, but I was told the Jeep Grand Wagoneers were only sold with the 360's. Maybe a few rare special order models but I haven't seen or heard of any. Would be nice to hear from a Jeep guru for sure though.
William Todd Wikipedia says AMC 360 or AMC 401. No 304.
that sucks
Dude-- just chill out, grab a seat on the side of the road, and let it cool off. Take a chill pill dude.
So, let me get this straight. They hit the road in this beater without installing new hoses and without having additional coolant on board and then, attemptED to drive it over some mountains...but only after preaching to us about having checked the cooling system to ensure it's on point. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
Doesn't think there's any coolant in it and runs it anyway..... What a doofus. NO mechanical sympathy, but sure whines when something goes wrong. How about a AAA membership before you leave for Moab in your beater....
I don't think AAA covers idiot drivers.
Totally agree. if you are going to take a punt on an old beater, atleast know some basics
People are bitching in the comments, but when is the last time you hauled such a long distance in an unreliable unproven rig? The cognitive load is too high to be on top of your game all the time, especially if you're not sleeping
guy with glasses,, needs stay away from cars... people..
ever hear of a temp gauge? waggoneer is a total pos . worse vehicle for a trip
You could just not buy a total shitbox of a jeep