Houseki no Kuni - Questioning Your Gender
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- I see them as feminine boys (masculine way of speaking, feminine manner & lower body, I just can't see them as girls after hearing the way they call each other), but that doesn't change the fact that the show is marvelous. Clearly the authors want them depicted ambiguously to make ppl confused. For all we know, they might have a hermaphrodite third gender idk. Can gems even mate there? That's a question you don't hear everyday
It's not gay when it's a rock, mom!
Yes it’s just objectophilai
@@poprocks6576 phosphophilia
Boku is also used by masculine girls so maybe they can be seen as masculine girls.
They don't have genders cause they are gems tho
It may be Bort's case, but taking their look I'd say it applies to Diamond more.
i refer to the gems as "they/them" when talking in english but I use "he/him" in my native language because it doesn't have the singular "they/them"
Also they call each other "brother" and seem to have no idea about what a girl is (in the manga, Phos got called "Lady" or "Miss" and had no idea what that meant). Also because Adamant seems to be closer to male (tho that could also be argued about, since he's a machine) the gems might be copying him a bit.
But, yeah, this is probably just me thinking that and yeah lol
You right man you so right
in the manga..they use he/him and some gems call the others gems "brother"
But the gems are genderless???
@@satoshiamane in Japanese there isn't really a gender neutral pronouns to refer to them so it's a little complicated
@@himarisan_8193 Yea i know i was talking mostly in the english sub I can't read japaness
They are literally sentient rocks sir. They can be whatever you want to label them as 🤣
And Phos is now misery's incarnation and looks like if Satan was made of rock
Eyyyy, tokyo ghoul kaneki's char development (◍•ᴗ•◍)b
I’m a beautiful boy.
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Yes u r
Hello Phosphophyllite! Im Rosalina! Pleased to meet you!
technically they are all genderless and i think some of the lustrous also use the feminine version so i think some just use different genders when talking
Padparascha will make anyone question everything.
I think that works for all the gems
The gems can make you question your sexuality regardless of what gender you like and that's beautiful
Actually they are all gender neutral... So I guess that would be somewhere in the demisexual spectrum
lmao demisexual means that you only experience sexual attraction to people you were extremely close with in the first place
personally I feel like they are the personification of agender
just like what rebecca sugar said "gems are genderless" but in our physical eyes they are hehehehehe :3
They are genderless but use male pronoun, and they don't need to breed if you really watch episode 8.
Here are some pictures from the inside cover of manga, as you see there's literally nothing under their pants.
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Jie yes yes, I've seen a couple times already, the "gem has no gender" stance. I have no probs with that. It's better to see them as feminine boys imo. And ppl already coming in, very nice indeed. Just as planned
I don't think genderless pronouns exist in the Japanese language which is why when it's translated to other languages the he/him pronoun is used. Cuz it's typically used over she/her. So I don't think they're "male" they're just genderless. But many people now perceive them as that because of translation
@@centsant its only bad english translate, in the manga they use miss/they
I can't see it..
They do have no gender so I always say she
Padparadscha is the only one I see as a boy and he is really attractive xd
HAHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE IT✨🌸
As much as I know,you say "them/they" in english. I bought the manga in german and there it says "Xier/dier".... *What the fuck*
I never heard these terms in my life
Ah yes the asexual noun gender
They don't have genders, but you can call them she/he if you wish to
I don't think they can mate I guess they just form on a microscopic level correct me on some stuff if I'm wrong inclusions are cells (I haven't watched hnk in awhile after being depressed by phos final form rip) the inclusions evolve in the gems bodys making them sentient I guess then boom their born tho I question on how they are able to communicate without
I just think of them as girls. Let a man dream, won't you?
its a damn rock
10/10
They’re feminine presenting so honestly it doesn’t really matter to me lol
95 chapters later:
I switch between he and she and sometimes they depending on my mood
it's not gay if you don't question your sexuality
I need a season 2
Wait what.....
in the english dub and in the manga they don't use pronouns at all
well they are genderles? pronouns can be what evry you want just its safer to use they/them to me
Best boy
Well, I've pointed out before that it's more logical to see them as girls, since that's what they look like. Show them to anyone NOT knowing Japanese or the lore, and everyone will say they are girls. Why? Because it's the most logical to call something that walks and quacks like a duck, a duck.
Now, of course, according to the lore, they're genderless gems, of a colony nature (like an equivalent of coral). That's why some try to say 'them' and 'it'. But that feels forced and not very natural - hence the many, many mistakes the people trying to use this themselves make. And, in fact, it changes little.
Think about it. Say it would deal with robots. Now, robots, technically, are 'it' as well. But yet, if we see a female robot (female-shaped/bahving, that is) we would refer to it as 'she', and if it would be male as 'he'. Even though, on itself, it should be 'it'. But no-one really uses 'it' for a person (and we perceive them as such), and no one uses plural for something we look at as a single individual - regardless of it technically being correct.
But of course, it's in the eye of the beholder, and if you prefer to see them as boys - even Dia -, I think you yourself are either a female (or gay). Or have the tendency to strongly try to conform to the lore aspect (aka, being technically correct) of something. I'd rather go for the thing that feels the most natural, unless it's explicitly mentioned in the anime itself that they are female or male. In the case of gender-neutrality, it should be noted btw, that it IS possible to use male as well as female pronounces - so them using male ones doesn't really mean they're males. Of course, it doesn't really mean that they're females neither, but then we get back to what I said earlier: the looks and behavior and the analogy with female robots.
All in all, especially when translating in English, I think it's better to go for the female version. As noted, all that tried differently, invariably fail and mess up sooner or later - including the translators of the anime itself (as you may have noticed). It's enough for reviewers and reactors to make clear they know the lore and that the gems are actually genderless, and then continue with calling them consistently 'she', instead of trying to be technically correct, and mess up every few times.
Shit, did you just write a dissertation on a 24-second video? I didn't expect this, I'm bad at arguing.
Well, to begin with, I agree with the bad translation of "them" or "it", but I don't see their behavior as exclusively male or female. Physically.. maybe half. Plus, the authors don't mention their gender(s) in the anime, so I can't really say for a fact that they're males. Though, picking a male pronoun to address themselves has a really special meaning. It just bothers me. You know they can actually find other ways of calling themselves, like gemsis or crysts or just make one or whatever. But they decided to go with bokura and onii-chan for some god knows what reason.
Japanese male-female pronouns are pretty simple;
-> If they say onii-chan then that means the person is a close male or brother
(or a really rare joke for a close dependable manly woman)
-> If they say boku then maybe it's either an immature/a feminine boy or a tomboyish girl
-> If they say kare then it's a he, no exceptions
-> If they say watashi then we don't know shit which one, maybe more feminine idk even Japan isn't very strict on this (which is the case for some characters)
That's their current norm, they're not in America land. They still haven't even allowed same-sex marriages. Unless something changes in the next hour, nobody calls any girls, trans woman, or gender-neutrals (if any) unjokingly "onii-chan" there.
Another reason why I think they're more slanted towards being boys is that nobody uses aneki, onee-chan, kanojyo, or atashi. Pretty easy to use and say. Nobody uses it the entire first season. Not wrong not to use it on a gender-neutral. But until those are said, saying they're feminine boys is more valid imo. Maybe they're better called wakashuu, a term that died like maybe 150 years ago, but that has a negative connotation or so I've heard.
Finally, what's wrong with using a translation with a male version with what I said in mind?
tl;dr Them being a third gender, gender-neutral, or boys= Fine, them being girls= I need more reasons
Don't worry, I just love making tl;dr posts. ;-) Though, you're doing a fine job here as well. :-p
Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, then. I'm aware that they use male pronouns when referring to eachother and sometimes addressing oneself (the 'boku' part... which, imho, is seldom used by girls)- though their individual speechpattern vary pretty much.
But the point I'm trying to make is not the usage on itself compared to real life, and certainly not in regard to how Japan is still strict in these matters, to the point of not allowing same-sex marriages. I don't take a meta-viewpoint on it, but look at it in-story. In that case, it's clear that the gems are gender neutral, and don't really have a concept of gender to begin with. It's difficult to relate this to the real world, since in the real world one doesn't have a person that is gender-neutral - so one could use either one, and it still wouldn't mean they were, or regarded themselves as male. Aka, as a gender neutral person, I think using a certain pronoun isn't really indicative of having a male or female gender, and thus, that's not a good case in that situation to refer them as such.
Of course, as a reviewer one does have to call them something, and we seem to both agree that 'it' and 'they' sounds awfully weird, even though it's technically the most correct. Yes, it may have a special meaning, but not the meaning they regard eachother as males, more that they are in a brotherhood (as in 'brothers-of-arms situation').
But basically, you let the fact they *talk* to eachother in the male-form have precedence over all the rest, while I think it fits things far more when they're referred to as females (well, at least as pretend females), for the simple reason they act, sound and behave as females. This would not supersede actual lore saying they *are* male, but in the case of gender-neutral individuals, it would still be possible to use male pronouns, yet be female. After all: what makes them the most 'female' or 'male'? The fact they use the male-form when addressing eachother even if they clearly have no idea of the concept of male/female, or the way they actually behave and portray themselves?
For that last part, we really have to disagree. The very reason many reviewers and reactors - even those that take the opposite stance - constantly make errors when referring to them as 'males' by slipping sooner and later with a 'she' or 'her', already is a strong indication of how they are perceived. I know the author has drawn them lower body female, upper body male, but alas, the upper body has far less influence on the perception of it than the rest. They may not have breasts, but they look like young girls.
Let's be honest here. I'll repeat: let people who have no idea of what the lore is about or don't understand Japanese watch this, and what do you think the vast majority will say they are? Males? Of course not. They'll say females. Why? Because, if you don't have prior info on something, the most logical thing to call something that walks and quacks like a duck, a duck. And no, that's not even purely on looks - which, of course, they have: female butts, high heels, lush hair and eyebrows: all typical female. but also their behavior, even if you seem to deny that.
Look... remember the scene where red beryl is all up in arms when she discovers her new fashion-clothing has gone, with all the antics and hand/arm waving? That's typical female, NOT male behavior. Remember Dia acting all weird and blushing when Phos was peeping through her legs? That is typical female behavior. A guy having done that by another guy would rather be annoyed than go all blushing. The same when Dia picks up Phos and hugs her from the back; that's not typical male behavior. The same when Euclase feels embarrassed when she's undressed and puts up her clothes in front of her when someone else of her 'brotherhood' arrives: more akin a girl than a guy would do. The same with the behavior of the twin amethysts when they're first introduced.
The series is stuffed with scenes and behavior like this, and while one can always imagine a far-fetched reason why it's still possible a (gay? feminine?) guy could act that way as well, the point is, in overwhelming majority, all that behavior is typically female, *not* male. That's why, apart from their looks, also their behavior is FAR more typical feminine than one can say it's typical male, at least for the majority of all the gems. The only exception is Kondo, but then again, he also doesn't *look* female, but male. So it makes sense to refer to him as if he were a 'male' (and almost all reviewers do so).
Now, all this doesn't mean you're per sé wrong in referring them as boys/men - but only if you think their speechpattern is the most important factor in determining their gender. But lore-wise, they're neither female nor male, and looking&behavioral wise, they predominantly female... so is a speechpattern of more importance? If one really is convinced of that - as some seem to be and declare - and think it's the most natural way as a reviewer or reactor, to address them as such consistently... then I'm left wondering why so many of those claiming this are making mistakes and do NOT apply it consistently. It's like they're making the point for me, that it's not the most logical way to address them as males.
In reverse, all those that refer to them as females, and Kondo as male, hardly ever make a mistake or contradict themselves at all when referring to them. So, I would claim, if you can go both ways (or, technically, triple ways; he, she, it), it still makes more sense for an English reviewer to go the 'she' route. It feels less forced, more natural, and thus creates less errors when referring to them in any way. Which is pretty proven, in a de facto way. As said, even the official translators already messed up - I think in ep 3 or 4, when referring to cinnabar. Suddenly, it was a 'she'. Lapsus? Slip of the tongue? How comes? Well, we both know the answer to that. And it's not because they seem male. ;-) Thus... I dunno, but if one can go both ways depending on how you value speechpatterns versus look&behavior, I would still claim it's better - statistically - to take the one that creates the least errors when making references to the gems. And that clearly is not 'male'.
I think I get what you're trying to say. It depends on what we perceive as male and female behaviors based on where we're living and how we were brought up. I may have a teensy-weensy little bias on that. That's prolly why I consider their behaviors, such as the examples you stated in your eighth paragraph, to be neither male or female. I guess typically they're considered feminine for majority of the population, you're right.
Ah, I guess you're a majority kind of person. Your duck test is like them crystals saying the Lunarians are solely evil or them magical girls saying Kyubey is just a cute evil cat. Not wrong, not wholly correct, but the consensus tends to agree to it. Now, what I see is a platypus since I have that prior info. Is there a reason for me not to say that that platypus is like a duck? Absolutely not, just like you said. Although, it's most definitely be better called something else, just like how Phos will address the Lunarians if he happens to find more info on them. If the reviewers aren't used to saying he, then just say she, although I will say otherwise. Maybe I can be one of your reviewers who can say he to the gems consistently if I'm not such a lazy bum to put out vids.
The thing about that *talk* is that they speak in Japanese. If the authors were to make a new gem language where it isn't strongly tied with any currently available cultures in the world, I might've gone with them being girls. Language is a stronger evidence compared to *looks* imo and that may be another one of my bias. I have learned to never trust looks and to listen instead.
Hope I don't miss anything and you should write books because god damn it takes a while to read this. I think now I have a reason for them being girls since you brought it up, not a great one but it's a decent reason. It's because the majority thinks they are.
Hmm... well, yes and no. I wouldn't want to place the carriage before the horses. It's not as much that I think one should follow whatever the majority says. I didn't make a popularity poll, nor am I of the opinion that because something is popular or has a majority, I (have to) agree to it. If that were true, I would find Bleach, OP, Naruto the best anime out there, because a majority gives high scores to that - but in fact I rather think those shows hover between 'bad' and 'ok but nothing special'. I have to find/hear a reason underlying the popular/majority vote, and only when I agree with it in an objective context, do I think they're right. So it's not the majority on itself, but the *cause* of why the majority thinks as it does that is compelling (or not) to me.
But the point here is, that the majority of people looking at them as females is actually right, imho. I'm not sure about your personal situation why you would have such a different view on it, but the examples I gave are definitely not typical male. Do you know of ANY instance where, for instance, two brothers would be all over each other and touchy like that, as the amethysts were? I sure don't. And I would claim almost no-one would, except when living in a very specific sub-culture, maybe.
Speaking from a subjective stance, if you think they behave like males, there is nothing I can say about that, since you're then in a purely subjective context. And I'm an adept of free speech, so call them what you want - though I would like to see a live reaction of the second season from you where you make no mistake, then. ;-p But as far as what should be considered the most plausible and objectively (or at least, the most likely) is concerned, I think it makes more sense to actually regard typical male as typical male, and typical female as typical female. Hence the 'typical'; meaning what something is commonly referred to. I'm quite sure, since you seem a reasonable person, you can see how, even if you personally don't see it that way, that the behavior will be *typically* regarded as female, not male. It's not very logical to elevate the exception to general rule. So while for you personally it may make more sense to refer them as males - but I'd like to see that in practice, to be frank ;-) so I hope you'll overcome your laziness when the second season arrives :-p - it still would make more sense for the vast majority of reviewers and reactors to refer to them as females. And would certainly lead to far less self-contradictions and errors when they talk about the gems. :-) The way they do it now feels forced and is inconsistent.
I'll agree with your platypus analogy (though I doubt even that animal quacks like a duck ;-)), and I've said so myself to others as well: if you actually get confirmation in the lore itself someone is male or female, go with that when one translates or reviews in English. But in cases where it's neither, and you can go with both, I would take what is the most natural and thus leads to the fewest instances of mistakes. Generally speaking, for the gems, this would be regarding them as females rather than males. At least, when you regard it normally (aka, from a general norm). It's possible certain people, like you, use a more subjective norm - and in this case, since one can go both ways, I can't even say it's 'wrong' on itself - but that still doesn't elevate it to general norm. So, generally speaking, one could make the valid claim, I think, that most do better in referring to them as females, exceptions like yourself - where you *actually* feel and naturally regard them as boys - not withstanding.
As things stand, however, virtually all reviewers/reactors who make the same claim they are boys/men because of the speechpatterns (aka: cerebral, prior knowledge) constantly make mistakes, because in reality they *do* regard them as females. With the only obvious exception being Kondo, where they never make that mistake, for the obvious reason that he looks and behaves like a he. And everyone understands and regards him as a he.
I think it's my fault for not specifically saying it's the *cause* but, yeah, I can agree to the majority (reviewers and such) addressing them as females now if they're more comfortable/fluent with it (I think there are "cart before the horse" though). It's like we're going in a circle. I think I already get what you're saying and I'm just not expressing it good enough.
And,
1. I don't want to do a live reaction because I'm usually silent when watching something (unless they jumped the shark) and my channel isn't a live anime reaction channel (don't want to be one to be exact)
2. I can't prove to you that I've seen males all touchy-touchy now can I?
3. I'm not a reviewer, I was thinking of making a vid about how uncanny valley is subjective and I don't get why the majority feels bad watching Sidonia, Ajin, Blame, Kemono Friends, etc., then addressing Houseki pronouns there
4. Yes, a platypus sounds like an owl having a massive diarrhea
They don't have genders. What do you mean by 'questioning your own gender'?
Yak, the focus is actually the viewers' gender, not the gems. And the ACTUAL focus of the vid is that ppl were too focused on gender politics i/o the story and char development going south. So there's that
@@centsant Oh
Gems are genderless. So not males not females.