Did Mary Seacole deserve a statue?
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- In 2016, a statue honouring Mary Seacole was raised at St Thomas's Hospital on the banks of the River Thames. Some people said it was about time too after decades of side lining Mary's nursing heroics, while others said this was 'political correctness' and undermined the work of Florence Nightingale, the famous Crimean War nurse. In this video we ask who Mary Seacole actually was and address these opposing views.
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A statue.....outside a hospital.....TO A BLACK RESTAURANT MANAGER 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂
HERE`S THE TRUTH ABOUT MARY SEACOLE The blacks and left needed a figure head and she was a perfect fit. Add a bit of embellishment and down right lies and hey presto, a black herione to match Nightingale....an evil white middle class woman from a rich family....and they have even banged up a statue of her outside a hospital.....for a restaurant manager 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂. she is nothing more than a virtue signalling figure head created by race grifters. I give you a couple of links to the excellent History debunked
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excellent story
Just goes to show any old black bullshit and they'll put up a monument in London forget about the immigrants who did something for this country only supporting any rag tag crowd that are afro Caribbean of late
The nurse was never was!
The British club she opened in the Crimea was not for average soldiers. It was fofofficers only and sold things like brandy and it cigars it also was a restaurant and aclub it was for officers only. No average soldier ever went anywhere near it
Yes piecing this together from Mary's memoirs and the journalists at the time a lot of it is a bit vague!
And
@@registame2878 and... she was not a nurse, never was, just opened a club an restaurant for officers.
@@cbjgdicad1 she was a great successful business woman. Not sure what her being a nurse has to do with anything. Did she say she was a nurse or did other people tell the story of her being a nurse as I was never told she was a nurse
@@registame2878, absolute nonsense she came back from the Crimea bankrupt
She made no written application and provided no references she just relied on people she knew to get in and that was the reason she was refused every other nurse gave written written application and provided references
Interesting, I hadn't heard the argument about the written application. If so, it's quite possible of course that she hadn't been taught to write, or that references weren't available to her in the way they were to others, but the jury is definitely still out on the exact reasons for her rejection. We can't assume it was racism (or that it wasn't). But what is of note is that she somehow made it to the Crimea anyway, and became this figure of inspiration in her own time - an impressive feat.
@@RadicalHistory I thought she wrote her own autobiography. I'm sure her influential friends could have given her a references if she had asked them. She went to the Crimea to open a shop restaurant and club for British officers she was a capitalist. It was around three occasions she came into contact wounded men offering them bandages. She never went anywhere near any battlefields
@@RadicalHistory actually she did go close to some Battlefields but only to sell her luxury items to The Spectators, hence she occasionally came into contact with wounded men
@@RadicalHistory she was also 50 years old, they wanted young hospital trained nurses of which she had no experience
@@RadicalHistory You don't know she wrote her own autobiography? you think she.. May have been illiterate?... come on, radical history? really?
The reason the story was no so well known is that Florence Nightingale advanced the profession of nursing and hospital management, Mary Seacole ran a luxury goods store for officers only and did some voluntary work at the hospital in Scutari, she wasn't a nurse and made no advances to nursing, her story is interesting but she was no more than a hotel manager. Unfortunate some people are determined to embroider the story for race politics.
Hi Richard, Florence Nightingale made a huge contribution to nursing and the professionalisation of medicine you're absolutely right. Mary's is a different story - as I say in the video, I see her primarily as an adventurer, an entrepreneur - and that's still a pretty inspiring story especially given what might have been expected in her day.
Ironically she also did not see herself as black and referred to them with the N word. Most of the info on the internet about her is repeated myth
@@clivebaxter6354 🤦🏻♂️
@@clivebaxter6354 And people forget that Mary Seacole was more white than she was blck. Her father was white, and her mother was biracial, she was 3/5ths white.
@@jimkillerx just shows how desperate they are for heroes, she probably did more harm than good with her poisonous 'medicines'
You bring up racism against her but didn't mention how she described the roast monkey in South America.
Read her book - rather than those of people trying to turn her into a hero. She wasn’t a nurse and the “treatments” she forced on people invariably hastened their demise. If someone like this has to be bigged up for racial reasons then you’re really desperate.
Said a few racist thing in it too?
You are chopping out some things that could be relevant, like she never applied to be a nurse in the crimean war, she pestered high people, but she never did apply, so it was not about the colour of her skin, that is a myth.
You have bits of it right but for the truth, check out Simon Webb he will tell you the truth
Read Mary Seacolle Autobiography and Her description of Black People.
a mercury poisoning gin seller.
This a bit misleading. Mary Seacole actually went out to the Crimea to set up a restaurant business, not to be a nurse. I think she ended up in nursing by accident than anything else.
Most of the garbage about her is from race grifters
Mary Seacole never applied to be a war nurse. I understand she ran a restaurant for officers during the Crimean war. She led an interesting life but was not as significant as Florence Nightingale, who was a nurse during the Crimean war.
By the time Seacole arrived in the Crimea the war was half way over, all of the major battles had passed
Like Obama, Mary Seacole was not strictly 'black', but mixed race. She was proud of what she called her 'good Scots blood' and referred to her skin colour as 'yellow'.
Her autobiography (we don't know if it was ghost written, almost no other writing by her survives to compare her writing abilities) is an interesting read that tells us many things about life in the 19th Century. Mrs Seacole may well have been a likeable and admirable person.
However, she was no more than an interesting minor figure and nowhere near as important as Florence Nightingale, nor was she ever a professional nurse.
It is sad that some people exaggerate Mary Seacole's importance, and even feel the need to denigrate white people like Florence Nightingale in order to boost Mary Seacole's reputation.
Unfortunately, quite a lot of modern 'Black History' is intellectually dishonest and sloppy about evaluation of evidence, being more about modern politics than truth.
She was brilliant and fearless-- truly a remarkable woman. Both Seacole and Nightingale broke through multiple barriers and should be celebrated in their own right.
Even Florence Nightingale refused to meet Seacole, rightly dismissing her treatments as quackery...
@@johno4521lethal Quackery!
You got it right by calling it the radical history & bs
Great video! I learned a lot! Thanks for sharing this amazing story!
Seems you haven't read her book.
In the usborne book of British History, Mary Seacole apparently opened the hotel to pay for medical supplies. I’d love to know what that’s based on.
Yeah that's bollocks, more massaging of the myth.
No she didn't. Her free autobiography: The Project Gutenberg eBook of Wonderful Adventures of Mrs. Seacole in Many Lands, by Mary Seacole.
The medicines she made - not that great. Drinking lead solutions and putting mercury on your skin.
What about Mr day paid for seacoal and tin huts for the British hotel in Crimea and went bankrupt with her. Completely writen out of her book also she did not work at scutari it would better to have ast
NO !!
Yes
Mary seacole was not a nurse she was a healer. She's a fascinating person and deserves our attention but no lies need be told about her. She was remarkable enough as it was.
She was a hotel owner
Black history month is a scam
Nothing remarkable about her, just a business woman.
Sorry son, this is BS.
There's a reason you never heard of her. It's fake history.
Where did you get most of this information from, it's not in here biography?
It appears she doesn't.
An excellent balanced presentation. Lets honour MS not as the black challenger to FN's heroic white nursing narrative but as an entrepreneuse (who did a bit of nursing too). A woman who after the war was ended was soon forgotten like so many others. It was FN's huge and lasting legacy to nursing that made her remembered not because she was white.
she was more white than black
Mary was turned away by fn that's why she did nursing elsewhere.fn came from a high class home.thats one reason why she was in the highlight just like higher class are today.
@@kateallsop6572 Mary Seacole, the daughter of a high society officer who married a man of high society. Mary brushed arms with high society. A woman who went to London to play the stock exchange and garner backing for her capital enterprise.
FN made a name for herself due to her mathematical skills and statistical analysis in the medical profession. Mary was not a nurse.
Mary learned a lot of herbalism from her mum
@@kateallsop6572 Herbal remedies such as mustard, lead and mercury. Even if any of the remedies had any efficacy, the Crimea required trauma nurses.
Mary did not do nursing elsewhere, she was never a nurse, she was however a businesswoman. Please read Mary Seacole's own autobiography which is freely available online.
Whilst an interesting woman it's sad her name is used to blackwash history.
Excellent, engaging speaker. I knew the name Mary Seacole and a little about what she did in the Crimea, but I didn’t know about other adventures and projects in her life. We were asked to suggest people for future videos. I would put forward Kitty Marion, activist, arsonist and suffragette (see “Death in Ten Minutes: the forgotten life of radical suffragette, Kitty Marion”) and Dr. Louisa Garrett Anderson and Dr. Flora Murray, who were pioneering women in medicine during the First World War, setting up and running hospitals in Paris, Wimereux and Endell Street, London (see “Medical Women at War 1914-1918” by Leah Leneman).
Thank you Jayne! Yes, it felt to me like some other aspects of Mary's life had been missed out, with all the focus being on her nursing. Thanks for the suggestion re Kitty Marion and the doctors. These are exactly the type of individuals we want to profile, really helpful.
Should have said that the Kitty Marion book was written by Fern Riddell.
So Mary was only half black?
Less than half. Her father was white, and her mother was biracial, making Mary more white than black.
We forget THEY called her MOTHER seacole
The statue must fall! Seacole was a huge racist, as can be read from her own autobiography. She constantly uses the n-word to describe black people, along with other remarks such as "good-for-nothing black cooks", "grinning black", and "n-word cooks". She along with some officers in her restaurant in Crimea even performed blackface. In other instances, she has described the Turkish people as degenerate and that Greeks are villiainous looking and have cunning eyes. This is totally unacceptable.
why do we now give them statute when some people back then even fought hard to ask to give her a state
Im 1998 and she wasnt taught in the curriculum when i was a child either it was just florence nightingale. HORRIBLE histories introduced seacole. Mary did good work though.
No!
This is literally fake history. She did not apply formally to the war office. She went to Crimea to set up a restaurant.
No, she does not.
Mary with Gin and tonic
No
It is ironic that Seacole is being held up as a black heroine when she did not see herself as such, rather mixed race. Indeed in her book she refers to black workers in the most derogatory of terms.
Far *lesser* people than her have been given a statue, but she was nothing even close to a nurse by even her own admission. She ran a fancy convalescent home for officers at a tidy profit as a sutler. Give her a statue as a humanitarian who was apparently kindly and well-regarded by those she looked after, if you like.
Scrabbling around to try and find evidence that Black people have always played a prominent part in British life has just led to creating a myth around her based on no evidence whatsoever. It always strikes me as peculiar the Asian community in the UK feels no such similar need.
Not even a convalescent home, more of a hotel which would be described today as a bar.
I knew this video would be 💩
I remember talking about Mary Seacole with my kids so I must of heard about her then. So some Gen X knew about her 😉✌🏻
That's interesting - I didn't know of her before 2016! Can you remember when you first heard of her?
@@RadicalHistory I certainly knew of her before this century ( sounds like eons ago!) and my granddaughters were talking of her at least 12 years ago, so they had obviously been discussing her in class.
@@sallylambchops4650 yes seems to have been in the early 2000s that primary schools began teaching the story.
Why not have another talk and try telling them the truth?
It was cool to see her in the Doctor Who: Flux episode: War of the Sontarans.
You better know she do, moreover Florence nightingale, to be honest with you she didn't notification because she one of my kind.
She was a grifter
Yes Mary seacole done just as great
I never heard of her until today, watching a video purporting to debunk who she is taught to be in UK schools today. This whole thing is such a great example of how we need to be suspicious of anyone with an agenda, from EITHER side.
Clearly she was not the saint the blackcentric and self-hating white revisionists want her to have been. She was NOT on par with Florence Nightingale, on any level.
I just watched a video aimed at children, comments disabled of course, that actually mocks Nightingale as it builds up Seacole. The gist of it is that Seacole isn't as famous as Nightingale due to a sort of cover-up, personified in this video- again, aimed at British CHILDREN - as a slimy character repeatedly referred to as "Mr. WHITE LIE."
I mean, it's propaganda, pure and simple. The fact that no one is allowed to leave comments calling them out on their disinformation (a word they actually use in the skit; irony within irony; really remarkable) is telling.
On the other hand, the other side, the "debunkers," listening to a couple of them you'd think Seacole was little better than a war profiteer, and that there's no legitimate reason to pull her story from the dustbin of history.
Both sides are distorting things based on their own political slant. But one side is apparently winning, convincing a generation of young people that they'd been lied to because of racism and "white lies." I don't get why they can't just start talking about Seacole now, why they can't just ADD her to the story, without all the incendiary stuff. And certainly they could talk about her WITHOUT trashing Nightingale. What in God's name is that about?? It really gives credence to the theory that far from wishing to "educate" anyone, these modern leftists just want to tear it all down.
You want to make Seacole a hero? Okay. But what about the woman who really WAS a hero, to generations of girls? She's just trash now? If little white girls want a hero, they can hop on the Seacole bandwagon? The whole thing is absurd.
Seacole clearly was a brave and enterprising woman. And, as this video shows, she WAS talked about and written about and respected in her day. The "debunkers" make it sound like the leftists just pulled this random hotel owner out of obscurity because she happened to have been black.
In their defense, though, that is the sort of thing that has been done many times by these new leftist "historians." Particularly when it comes to black inventors. I'm convinced these people just find out about some black guy who had a couple patents issued to him in the early 1990s, and they make him out to have been this successful, revered inventor on par with Thomas Edison. It would be funny, if millions of schoolchildren weren't actually being taught it as fact.
Seacole WAS a fascinating woman. What she ACTUALLY did should be interesting enough. Alas...
What about her father? He was a scotsman and an officer who had probably loads of medical experience 🙄
The operative word being "probably"
@@haroldpearson6025 he was an officer in the finest regiment of the British army 👏 so probably is more reliable than her mother knowing modern warfare medicine and been on the fore front of scientific research as the British army and empire was at the time 🤔🤔🏴👍🇬🇧
Mary Seacole’s mother was a Herbalist who obviously taught Mary. Hebalist’s in poor countries take the place of a Doctor as many people could not afford or find one who lived in their area. Bigots had better research properly before posting stuff on CZcams.
Total myth
Yes you learned a lot but the majority were lies, and your channel should be closed down for this reason, your channel is one big lie.
Propaganda being used to prop up the fanyssy month, its beyond a joke now.
I’ve been a fan of Mary Seacole’s for a while now! I love how she’s finally getting the attention she deserves!
Fascinating woman! Feels like there's been less attention on the travelling, adventure and entrepreneurial side of her life.
She does not deserve a statue. She was NOT a nurse, she was a hotelier. There are other black nurses who deserve credit more than this fake woman.
fan of her myth then
@@haroldpearson6025 🤦🏻♂️
@@clivebaxter6354 fan of the truth
Anyone saying her contribution did not matter.
Unimportnat pepole dont get a charity gala that was attended by 80000 pepole
One born every minute....obviously and by the way......you spell like a 2 year old
We know the truth , kids have been told lies .
Florence Nightingale killed more men than she saved. More men survived in the field hospitals than in her care as frankly she was a medical incompetent. A fact she discovered for herself later on when she did become an expert statistician. The realisation of which sent her into a shock she never recovered from.
The reason more people survived in the field hospitals was due to the fact that only minor injuries were treated there whereas the most serious cases were treated in the Nightingale hospital in the Ottoman’s officer building in Constantinople which had a blocked sewer that caused a lot of the infections and deaths. It was only after the British engineers repaired the sewage system and the hospital staff had an opportunity to deep clean the building that mortality rates began to drop. Her pioneering work was the start of modern nursing and all the benefits that it has brought to the world. A genuine heroine of not only her day but also today and tomorrow.
@@guyplessier7935 She admitted herself she'd been incompetent. The actuality doesn't match the mythical status. Her true talent was as a statistician.
@@ThomasLaird1967 one of many of her “true” talents
Mary did good work in the war .however she never got the credit for what she did.but she was brave and provided a lot of important things needed in a war.
It seems she did get a lot of credit at the time (she was in the local newspapers and there were fundraisers for her) but then she was essentially forgotten for a hundred years. I'm sure there are many similar examples - that's what's fascinating about history!
she did almost nothing of benefit to ordinary soldiers
Where you there with her??
@@RadicalHistory Hahahahahahahahahaahahaahah