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Orange Rockerverb Vs Super Crush !! | Live Stream Hang!
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- čas přidán 7. 12. 2022
- Let's see if Orange got it right with the Super Crush 100 and made a $499 solid state amp that can hang with their all tube flagship, the Rockerverb!
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Solid state for the win! I don't think I'll ever go back to tubes. Sure they sound great, but with solid state there is zero maintenance and they sound good at any volume.
im in the same boat. In a live setting or a in a mix no1 will care or tell enough to matter
@km 2024joyce I have and they can out compete a drummer any day.
Just got a Super Crush 100 yesterday. As with everyone else I wanted a Rockerverb, but couldn't justify the Money. I Plugged it in, and instantly liked it, Clean, Dirty. Sounds awesome. Will eventually get an EQ pedal. It will be making its live debut tonight.
I actually ended up buying a Super Crush 100 after sitting in a shop and doing this exact test for myself. I've always wanted a Rockerverb, but I couldn't justify paying so much more for a massively heavier amp to take to gigs. I'm definitely not stoked on the DI sound from the SC but that's really my only complaint.
I really wish they'd just have a record out and then you can use your own IR pedal with.
Yeah the built in cab sim on this is not good at all. Definitely have an IR. If you like all Orange sound, Orange and Celestion actually partnered to put out Orange official cab IRs. Full pack for $40 or $12 each. Or take your chances with other IRs out there but I like the idea of it being done by the source.
Super Crush has a slightly faster response. To be expected and maybe even an advantage for metal/speed metal. Great job evening them both out. I agree the OR series amps get the overall "Orange Sound" win. I use the Super Crush with two single 12" Orange closed-back cabs with Vintage 30's.
Man, every video on this amp has convinced me that this is what I need. It does basically every style and sound from what I heard. Moreover, it sounds amazing with Les Paul style guitars.
It pairs VERY nicely with a 10 band EQ and an overdrive.
I've always wanted a Rockerverb but the new Super Crush is such a killer deal It's kind of a no-brainer to get.
Still get the rocker if ya can, I was able to get a killer deal on one and there are differences you can’t pick up on without being in the room, but agreed super crush is an amazing amp especially for the price. In an ideal world I’d have kept the super crush for a back up but I had to sell it to afford the rockerverb.
While I agree with Taco, I think the differences are so subtle that you won't be able to pick them up in the mix, with the low end being the most prominent, easily fixed by an eq in the loop
@@belligerentamateur agreed, a 10 band in the loop can basically make any amp sound like anything with a good ear and patience
I purchased the Crush Pro and I'm excited to see how this journey goes.
There is not $1,650 worth of difference between those two amps.
I would never choose orange anyway for any amp in the 2000+ usd range
@@0megalul309 ok
@@0megalul309 Yeah to many of really great amps to choose from when you get over the 2k mark. And Orange wouldn't even be on my top 10 list.. however, with this Super Crush it would be in my top 3 for under a grand and absolutely #1 under 500.. its a no brainer.
@@ryant3600 finally a guy with brains on his head.
@@ryant3600 I'd go with a TH30 over a Super Crush for under a grand.
The Super Crush sounds great, but the Rockerverb MKii has something to the tone that is just really special IMO. I have the 100W version, and I would highly recommend running an EQ pedal in the loop to boost some high mids, and you'll find that it gets extra aggressive, has more presence and really tights up the gain. I love it unboosted and boosted, but if you want more highs, tightness, aggression and more articulation, an EQ pedal like the Boss GE7 takes it there.
any EQ pedal recommendations ?
@@C0nnie I've only tried 2 EQ pedals with the MKii, the Boss GE7 and the Orange Two Stroke. Both are good in different ways. The GE7 sounds good in the loop, where as the Two Stroke sounds good in front. I found the GE7 to significantly change the tone in the loop, was a bit more aggressive, but had a slightly more harsh sound, where as the Two Stroke was more subtle, but sounded smoother, and seems to sound a bit more "natural". I didn't like the GE7 in front, and I didn't like the Two Stroke in the loop. It depends on what you're going for. If you want to be able to drastically alter the tone of your amp, I would go for the GE7 (there are modded versions which are supposed to be more quiet), but if you like the general tone of your amp, but want to make some subtle changes, the Two Stroke is perfect. The GE7 is easier to use because it's a graphics EQ, where as the Two Stroke has a steeper learning curve, being a parametric EQ (took me a while to learn how to dial in the tone I was looking for).
Saying all that, I solely use the Two Stroke now, and have it on all the time. I came to the conclusion that you buy an Orange for that low mids sound, and if you're trying to drastically change the sound, you're probably better off with another amp. I decided to embrace that low mids, and just use the Two Stroke to tweak it a little to make it cut more, without altering the character of the amp.
Hope this helps.
I went with a rockerverb mkiii. No regrets.
OR15, Jim Root #4 and Super Crush are all great cheap versions of a Rockerverb MKII-like amp. The OR15 and JR#4 have almost the same circuit. You can mod them with a switch so you can change flavors.
OR15 is probably the best amp I’ve played below the 1000 dollar mark.
Kyle your videos are better each time I check them out!! The Super Crush is my next amp purchase for the $$ killer tone.
THANX. I really enjoy all your demo's even though I am many checking out pedals.
i got my Super Crush 100 and I love it. I ran an eq in the effects loop. helps out a good bit.
Prelim conclusion: 2:05
Timestamps with Seymour Duncan Distortion pickups:
- RV50 MkII vs SC100: 11:32
- Conclusion: 13:01
Timestamps with Dunable R2 DE (stock pickups unknown):
- SC100: 28:16
- RV50 MkII: 28:44
- Conclusion: 29:18
Timestamps with Fishman Modern pickups:
- SC100 (w/out PdeQ) vs RV50 MkII: 50:33
- SC100 w/depth from PdeQ: 56:02
- SC100 w/more presence from PdeQ: 57:57
- RV50 MkII vs SC100 w/PdeQ: 59:14
- Conclusion: 1:00:01
Thank you for this stream, this made me save some cash and buy a new Super Crush 100 and the 4x12 to match and came out over a grand less than just the Rockerverb. I took your advice and put a 7band in the FX loop and holy hell this thing is amazing. I just used to to boost the bottom end and even the mids out some and its sounds awesome. Always enjoy the streams and vids. Keep up the awesome vids man.
What 7 band pedal did you use?
@@corbinbarton5156 i use a cheap 7 band by biyang. It is a full metal box pedal and honestly for the money you can not beat it. I want to say it cost me 40 bucks. I also run a cheaper delay in the loop the help the reverb sound more full. It is a Giannini delay. It is white cased metal not 100 on the exact name. But the combo of the 2 make that amp head a monster. Do eq into delay to return.
Thank you
@@corbinbarton5156 no problem, always glad to answer what i can. And try and save nice people money.
The Katana head and the Super Crush are the best value amps on the market right now. Both sound amazing.
I’ve got the H&K BS 200 and it’s amazing! The katana and this is absolute best for this price point.
@@Dudesbrewsguitarreviews They also make a great power amp if you decide to go with a modeler. Plug your FM9 or QC straight into it, and off you go.
@@TheCyberMantis I’ll have to check that out!!!
That is a very true statement...I have the katana MKII head and I certainly will get this orange when sweetwater gets the orange color back in stock....no way am I buying a black orange,not happening
@@darklight4815 I prefer the black Orange! 😄
Another amp that’s solid state and doesn’t have digital power amp is the peavey XXL. Totally awesome for the used prices around $200.
It slings nothing like my super crush, however it really does high gain well. When I read reviews of it sounding like trash it’s always that the reviewer is on the ultra channel. The orange cheap is where it’s at.
An Eminence DV-77 helps with taming some of the orange fuzzy sound, and it still sounds great.
a dream combo right there for me wow
This is the 3rd comparison video I've seen between these two amps, all saying the same thing: the two are incredibly similar. CSGuitars had a great video on the SC100, explaining they used JFETs rather than MOSFETs to help emulate the tube sound better.
I often wonder if I made the right decision getting a Marshall TSL100 instead of an Orange SC100... it would have definitely helped my wallet.... I still love my TSL, though
the Tsl is a fantastic amp! I'd feel no regrets if I were you, and there's room for the super crush in your collection because they sound quite different
Rockerverb was sweet, Super Crush wasn't to shabby though.
How about a Crush vs Randall comparison.
I’m impressed I’m on the fence between this or the two notes revolt.
I came to the same conclusion, Rockerverb is the King , heavy as fugg and stays home a lot, Super Crush 100 is so close and light but leaves the house frequently
You should try a Crush Mini (not a Micro Crush) with external cabinet. It will blow your head off!
Could you please do a 15-20 min version of this?
Super crush sounds better at lower volume thats a advantage of solid-state
Orange cabs just match with everything
Peavey 5150/6505 and orange V30 cab used to be all the rage not long ago
Hey Kyle, I think in a past video you mentioned demoing an Orange TH100. Is that still a planned video? Thanks!
Hey man, it was planned but I ended up selling it to a friend, so I need to track another one down. lol
Man. Hard to even fathom buying an Orange Tube head with these SC100s around. I've been using Crush Pro/Super Crush for 9 years exclusively.
I was listening to this while working. I could not hear any difference in the first section of the playthrough. But my full attention was not given. I still think that says something positive on the Crush.
When I was a kid we would play Sorry, but really everyone else was playing Sorry while I was playing Go Eff Yourself.
Solid state amps have really come a long way!!! The Super Crush for me DEFINITELY. 500$ for a 100 watt head?!?!?! F#$k yes.
Did you boost the master volume and used the channel volume to taste to add resonance? Yo, Kyle if you said the Super Crush 100 was the best solid state amp you have tried, then I think you still have to try the Quilter Overdrive 200 or 202 amps. Those are voiced after old Mesa Mark IIC+ and Dumble Overdrives amps
Seconded
I’m owning Quilter March 3. I knew what I was going to buy, I bought it because of the PA to use as a pedal platform (I have decent tube preamp pedals). The PA is some black magic in the solid state world, it’s high impedance (like a tube amp) unlike conventional solid state PA which is low impedance. Typical solid state PA just ignores the speaker but a tube amp interacts with it, reacting to the impedance change, resulting in some spiked high harmonics, the curve is getting weird. You can’t just boost some frequencies as achieve the same result as you would get from a tube amp, and this stuff happens in PA, not in the preamp section. Quilter made their class-D solid state PA to operate like a tube PA, and that’s the most interesting part for me. The builtin-in preamps are just not doing it, they’re dark, but as you try to boost the treble it immediately gets flobby and squishy. So I completely remove the gain from the Quilter preamp, leaving a lot of headroom, darken the treble and use my pedals in front of it setting them bright and loud. And that really works for me. I think using Quilter stuff as-is you wouldn’t even get close to the high-gain application alone. But with a good preamp pedal it might give you results other solid state amp just can’t achieve, because of the PA. “Conventional” solid-state PA just puts out the speaker out of the equation. Whatever speaker of dummy load you use the curve stays the same. It’s the opposite with tube PAs (and Quilter PAs), every speaker has its own dynamic impact on the curve. And the amazing part is that it weighs nothing. Mach 3 is like a 1.9kg, the Tone Block is around 1.5kg, I can lift it with a couple of fingers with one hand. I can just throw it into my gig bag. And it’s a fricking 200W tube-equivalent power (as loud as a tube amp), more than you would ever need.
In short: Quilter amps are the most light-weight while being the most powerful, providing the tube-equivalent power (in fact they even reserve 400W for the tube-ish spikes internally, providing you nominal 200W). I might be wrong but I think they are the only solid-state PAs that operate like a tube PA (being reactive to the speaker impedance changes). But built-in preamps are definitely not the best in the market and I think they would probably give a wrong impression of what these amps can really do.
I really wanted a Quilter amp because I wanted an amp being portable (while the PA be a tube-like). Preamps are kind of easy to carry around. I have tube preamps on the board, they weigh like a regular pedal (maybe a bit more, because of the steel case), being real front-end replica of an amp, using upping to high-voltage converters inside. But a separate tube PA (Mooer Tube Engine for instance) of like 20W already weighs around 7-8kg. Engl’s stereo 50Wx2 tube PA weighs 12kg. Quilter Tone Block weighs 1.4kg and it’s 200W, and it’s significanlty smaller.
Orange SC100 is interesting, I really want to try one but mind even being solid-state it still weighs like 14kg. Pretty heavy, not really that much lighter than a tube amp. I wish Orange would make a separate Super Crush preamp pedal that would be much lighter that can be used with the Pedal Baby 100 (which AFAIK is the PA of the Super Crush 100) which is only 3.2kg. That would be much more portable.
I would really like to see how other people try to use Quilter amps for more high gain applications and see some A/B comparisons.
By the way, the only two solid-state amps (or rather brands that make them) that I’ve heard so far and I definitely liked and even considered as an alternative to a tube amp are the Quilter stuff and Orange Crush series. Ones that do sound like a tube amp.
@@johnnyphoney5669 Hey John, thanks for the response. That's crazy because I took the plunge and bought a Mach 3 Aviator head too. I figured I would rather have a pedal platform so I can switch different tones on the fly vs getting stuck with one amp one tone like how Orange sounds like Orange and Boogie sounds like Boogie etc.
I was inspired by Neige of Alcest who uses a JMP as a pedal platform and uses the Bogner Red pedal and the Fulltone OCD for high gain stuff.
I use the Walrus Eras in front of the Plexi channel for high gain stuff and keep the amp setting in a clean and scooped sound and it works. My EQ on the amp looks like 11, 9 and 1 o'clock and the gain on 9 o'clock.
I tried using the Mach 3's own distortion with a boost and it ended up sounded like Judas Priest "Victim of Changes". Very Old School sounding. But for more modern you need a separate distortion.
I also use the GupTech PEDEQ to add presence and wow it opens up the amp to modern times. I haven't tried using the Eras as a preamp in the FX return cuz right now I am happy with this set up at the moment.
I boost the Eras in the front as well it sounds great IMO.
I think Kyle would dig the Overdrive 202 since he likes amps that have their own high gain on tap, but good to know great minds think alike on the Mach 3.
If they would triple the wattage of the SC, but hearing you use both i know my opinion of the supercrush was a little too harsh in the first demo a good amount of why it sounded so bad to me has to do with your tweaking
i just ordered a Super Crush 100. I'm super curious. All my amps are Marshalls (mostly JCM800) and I've been looking for a different type amp to run stereo with. If I end up liking the SC then maybe I'll invest in the RockerVerb.
What did you think? How did it stack up against your 800?
Can the Crush do a 2204/2203 type gain and tone that rolls down clean with humbuckers?
Try the vertical 2-12 Harley Benton cabs I’m looking at getting one
The SC is an Excellent amp, especially for punk rock
I actually liked the super crush better… sounds awesome
Super crush 100 is incredibly quiet it comparison. If you wanna play loud the rockerverb is worth it
Rockerverb for the win!
Yes, but once you're dropping that much coin, you might as well buy the crush as backup.
Rockerverb just has that balls out tube crunch, extremely dynamic. Believe that’s what Pepper Keenan users, COC
He has been using it for some time. He used Mesa Mark II back in the 90s. Kirk Windstein used Super Crush or CR120 for some time before he switched back to his old, trusty Randall RG100ES.
I had the cr120 and it only sounded good with old B52 British speakers ! Weird right !? Old celestion speakers and new eminence speakers, peavey 5150 cabinet, Mesa over sized cabinet and nothing sounded as good as the old B-52 speakers in an old carpeted 412 cabinet! In the back of my mind I'm wondering if the fact queensryche owned and played through these speakers has any thing to do with it !? I doubt it but you never know, maybe their powerful amps and jams opens up the speakers to better tone !?
yup, as you said, the crush 120 has a different mid frequency, so it is not directly comparable to my ears. Which means i might have to sell it and get a super crush now xD
Have you gotten to try any of the Hiwatt crunch heads? Curious how they stack up to the supercrush.
Do a video on the GUP Tech Que Bec on a Triple X.
Hi Kyle! What’s going on with Bushido Code, it’s such a good band, I want to hear more from them!
Is the 805 overdrive enough to boost or i still need the pdeq pedal on the loop?
Do you think an EQ pedal could help boost the lacking lows ?
For sure
Hey Kyle, I don't know if you'll read this but here goes nothing... One observation I made is that you're a big fan of the Duncan Distortion pickups. I've played these before and I always found the low end generally lacking. In fact I've noticed that generally in most Seymour Duncan pickups outside of the Invader. Even the 59 seems to be meatier, while being obviously much lower output than the Distortion or the JB. They seem to be very upper mid and treble focused. Maybe a Duncan Custom? Is there any way you could show a demo with some other pickups, like for instance a Dimarzio Super Distortion? Those put out way more lows and low mids but don't have the same high frequency profile as a lot of Duncans. Also, and I know this is probably blasphemy to a lot of people, but Vintage 30's really don't have a lot of low end compared to something like a Celestion G12T75, or even a lot of Eminence speakers. Or the Jensens in something like a Twin Reverb for that matter. I find British amps really like the G12T75 because the amps are more mid focused, and the low end on that speaker, especially the older ones, is definitely bigger than a Vintage 30. Thoughts? Opinions? From one Kyle to another (don't let the handle fool you) you make great content. Keep up the good work! Liked and subscribed.
hey dude, I use the pickups and speakers I do in these demos because they're "industry standards" and most people know what they sound like, so when they hear my demos, the differences they're hearing is in the amp and not in me having some sort of unique signal chain. That said, I've never had issues getting the low end out of these pickups and speakers using my go to amps like the 5150, Splawn Quick Rod, mesa rectifiers, etc, and I don't want more low end from my pickups and speakers because they are generally darker and harder to eq in the brighter frequencies when they're not there to begin with.
@@belligerentamateur Makes sense, thanks for taking the time to reply! I've been binge watching your videos lately. Your video on the Peavey Triple X is great, I used to have one of those back in the day and I've been kicking myself for years for getting rid of it. Same with the Marshall TSL 100, I used to love that amp. I also agree with your take in one of the Dual Rec videos, I've always loved when other people played them but I could never get a usable sound out of them myself. Anyways, long story short I'm enjoying your stuff a lot.
I love the orange Cabs
Was there an EQ pedal in the loop of the Super Crush?
"moving into production." you certainly have enough gear for it.
Just bought Rockerverb 50 MKIII new for 999 euro. Killer amp.
Hey Kyle! Big fan of your channel, what would you chose between the supercrush and the dsl20?
Not Kyle, but I have both. The super crush would be my choice of the two. I love my DSL for cleans but the super crush just does modern Metal way better, for me.
@@kmw5100 thanks!
@@kmw5100I have a dsl 20 and looking at super crush lol. Does the super crush have the same low end as the Marshall?I love my Marshall's low end in my living room setting.
I hope you get to use it with your band, it would be interesting to see how it would compare to say the 5150 Iconic. I realize the 5150 cost twice as much but I am curious how the super crush would stack up to the iconic with both being played through 4 x 12s. My fear is that it won't cut through against a 100 watt tube half stack in a live setting. Every time I buy something that may be marginal, I regret it later.
This and the iconic are the two amps I keep going back and forth on and can’t make my mind up. These two in a shoot out would be great 🤟
I have both. I wish I could tell you which one to buy honestly but they’re so different. The iconic has way more low end if you want it and while it sounds great it just won’t get that really boxy midrange the Orange will. Which in my opinion isn’t a bad thing they’re just different. The Super Crush just doesn’t have the low end though on the dirty channel. PLENTY of low end on the clean channel but barely any on the dirty channel even when it’s dimed, which kind of drives me insane honestly. I know Kyle says it can be fixed with an EQ in the loop but I’ve done that and it still just doesn’t quite get there for me at least not yet. If I had to pick one I’d say it’s easier to EQ some mid into the loop of the Iconic than it is to EQ low end into the loop of the SC. But really you can’t go wrong with either one. They’re both loud as shit and sound great just in different ways. The super crush is a hell of a lot easier to lug around so that may steer you as well. Cheaper, way lighter, noticeably smaller. I like the reverb overall on the SC more than the Iconic but the SC reverb decays for way too long if you have it past 9 o’clock and really thwack the strings. The iconic green channel overdrive is damn near the exact tone as the blue channel stealth which sounds killer, and the red channel on the iconic with the burn is just massive in a way the SC never can be. Again they’re super different. Get both! They’re cheap enough!
@@K707OR30 thank you for your insight on these, getting both may be in the cards lol!
@@K707OR30 I would like to thank you for the reply, and you really answered my question. My grandson is in a band now and plays a Dual Rectifier half stack and I gave him a Carvin 50-watt tube combo I had to use as a back-up. He likes the portability of the Carvin, but the combo doesn't have the roar of the mesa. He has friend's, in another band who play Orange Cr120 half stacks, but when listening to this band live the guitars just don't have the umph to step forward when the songs require it. They do sound fantastic on tracks cut in a studio, however. I fear the cr100 will be like the Carvin......Almost alright.
@@robertcarey3383 no problem. The iconic also has a volume/level boost which can really jump up in volume for leads. Not that you couldn’t put a volume boost into the loop of the SC, but the Iconic boost also adds more body to the overall tone in addition to volume. Another thing is with the lack of low-end on the dirty channel of the SC, that may be an issue with leads as well in a band context. You do want leads to cut with mids and yes it’s the bassists job to carry the low end and all, but you also want low end in your guitar tone to kind of “push” even the high notes and just move more air. You feel it more than you hear it but when you don’t have that you can really tell, and that feel not being there enough is really what disappointed me with the SC. The iconic does that better in my opinion but they’re both still killer amps.
Its because orange cabinets are some of the best in the game
I would totally use either of those in a thrash band.
rockerverbe has more low end thud, other than that they sound basically identical to me
You should do the crush cab and PPC next
Some algorithm fodder:
This stream was excellent
My guy!
I would save a buck and buy the SC. Both sound good!
I also do not like Orange cabs. I think it's the grill cloth.
I love both, I bought the super crush.
After 10 years playing a Line 6 spider IV, I'm finally planning to get a 2nd amp that isn't digital. I was deciding between a Peavey 6505mh or an Orange Dark Terror as my first experience with a tube amp. But then I saw the orange super crush 100 and how it sounds really close to a rockerverb. Gain difference isn't a problem since I like to use a boost. Am I going to miss alot by going for a solid state amp (Super Crush 100) rather than a tube amp (6505mh/Dark Terror)?
I can confidently warn against a 6505mh. Especially compared with what your alternatives are.
I chose dark terror over super crush
hi kyle just subscribed to the channel. I have a question. does anyone know if it's normal when you max out the volume and gain on the dirty channel. it's has oscillation if you pull down the gain at 3 o'clock it stop. I would really like to know if it's normal or do I have a faulty. I just bought it today brand new.
I encountered this as well and have confirmed with other SC owners that they have experienced the same.
After encountering this, I changed how I set up the amp. I now run the main master volume wide open and slowly bring up the individual channel volumes to set the desired loudness for each channel. This allows you to max the gain on the dirty channel if you like without causing the oscillation issue.
Not sure why but I think the amp sounds better overall when configured this way.
If you are on a budget, the Donner Soph Gate.
they’re so similar because they were designed by the same engineer
Mk 2 vs mk3 rockerverb would be good. I have only had the 1 and the 3
I'll def try to make that happen soon
@@belligerentamateur mark 2 is the only on with mid control for clean. I find find trebble and bass only hard to utilise u gotta do some pretty whack things to sound right there
JFETs dude
It's the magic behind Tech21 stuff
Most Wampler AIAB pedals
Many many others
dude wtf! I actually prefer the eq in the loop super crush then the rockerverb. 😆🤣😂
I have a rockerverb mki50w.. wanted to buy another one to run in stereo but after seeing this.. IM BUYING A SUPER CRUSH
Dark Terror vs Super Crush 100
Pure awesomeness
I miss my orange head
Anyone who says they can hear a difference with these amps is hearing with their eyes.
It chugs, really. But it has that Orange sound I will never like. Many people like this sound so, ok. I am Marshall JVM and Engl Savage guy.
Super crush will take doom pedals
Mkii 100 % SC100 99.99 % … I think u make me save $ on this video …
Bought a Gibson SG Gothic for a reasonable price from Guitar Center but the real selling point was in the description it said WHITE COFFIN CASE INCLUDED. Yeah I really wish I had a screen shot of that because I received the guitar with NO case. Not to mention the guitar is more beat up irl than I would have paid for.
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I had a Supercrush and couldn’t get rid of it fast enough. Super dark gain channel with not enough treble and presence. Had to use a BBE in the loop to get even a remotely usable sound. The tube Orange’s destroy it. A TH30 wipes the floor with it.
@1:03:35 N word. You have like 40 guitars. Just grab three.
First world problems 🤣
You ain't wrong!
The crush is nowhere near as good as the rockerverb
Wrong!
@@belligerentamateur I guess the 0.1% difference has to be justified by their 1700 dollar difference.
@@JohnWiku I commonly see people making their choices based on price alone. "more expensive is more better"
@@belligerentamateur Ultimately, Orange are the ones to blame, they could have sold the Super Crush at a way higher price point and this would be moot point.
But the ultimate questions are, is it that the super crush is just too good for any price? Or that the rockerverb is too expensive?
Orange Amps are killer!
39:41 39:51 big difference if you ask me ! but if it can be doctored then ok !
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