CARDO PACKTALK EDGE REVIEW
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We solved the compatibility problem with a discord server with audio channels
Please - provide some more information
@@dawidczajkowski2442they have discord server talk with audio running in a background, this means you need internet and no need for mesh at all
Once I saw this as an option 👍🤔👀
I have a Sena and bought spare speaker/mic option so that I can swap the unit between helmets.
Works well.
Sena works for me.
Love the video
Happy you weren't sponsored because the video is higher quality now
They all should use PMR or newer DMR standard to communicate, but of course they don't because they make more money by forcing everyone to buy the same brand. DMR+BT helmet- and headphones are only sold in the security business, guards, police(Tetra) etc use them. With those you can use any DMR radio you want, cheap ones are like 20 euros per three radios with plenty of coverage (like 2km) while more capable radios have much longer range and life. DMR can do group calls in full duplex mode (everyone can talk) while older analogue PMR is half-duplex (only one talks at a time)
Thanks very much 👍
20 euros for 3 radios? bunkum
@@markifi PMRs are cheap
@@MikaelLevoniemi oh i thought you're talking DMR sorry. yeah. i see a 50 pack of baofeng bf-888s radios for 582 euros. not bad value. now on to convince 49 friends ...
great vid. very in depth and helpful, thanks
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching!
My problem with Cardo is that in my experiences they don't do tech support. I wrote them two emails and they never got back to me.
Great informative video was on the fence between sena and cardo you made the choice easy
I'm connecting through Sena Mesh (models 50R, ST1) - it works brilliantly. The best Mesh on the market at the best price. Cardo is too expensive.
You’re confused, my friend the Bluetooth and mesh combination allows connection to all Bluetooth units. Not just Cardo.
Thanks for this! I am actually looking for some kind of intercom or bluetooth speaker/mic combo so it is very nice to hear pros and cons for some of them..
I was wondering how well those cheap bluetooth setups works, those that do not have intercom, but is just a headset/mic that you connect to your phone and then you can either call people to talk to them or join a discord voice chat room together to talk in a group. Would love to see how well that would work out. Of course people need to have a smart phone and be connected to the internet to use it, so in remote areas the connection might be pretty bad unless there is some kind of mesh app for phones so they can be connected together without being able to reach a cell tower?
Hope you have the possibility of looking into this also. Would solve the compatibility issue at least.
Does this unit have a feature that lets you hear your surroundings digitally, even if you're wearing a quiet motorcycle helmet? This is something I've been on the hunt for. Digital ear protection for hunting/shooting can do this without being very expensive, so I would think that a lot of these fancy intercom systems would have this built in as well. But I can't seem to find any definitive info online for cardo or sena
Cardo does work with Sena and others....just takes a bit more setting up.
Sena is superior. But i still choose cardo. First - when cardo getting low battery warning i still have more than hour till it goes off. Second - i live in country where raining allot. Cardo has ip67. Voice recognition with my accent is great. Sound quality is slightly better out of the box than Sena.
Pairing in open group, latency, eas of joining the existing groups Sena is far better.
I have the jbl upgrade really nice sound :)
Good review, some interesting issues not brought up in other videos, your experience with the product is helpful. Curious though why you compared the price of the top of the line Cardo system with a mid-range Sena system. The 50 series is still less expensive but closer in price than the Spider series is to the Edge. Seems a little misleading for folks doing comparison shopping.
I was seriously considering a Cardo pair for me and my gf riding on motorcycle and for when I join group rides but these group audio chat issues and the play/pause button situation is a big turn-off for me. Definitely gonna look at other options like Sena for the mesh or othee cheaper alternatives
I have a Cardo radio and love it. Excellent sound, speakers, comfortable to use.
Cardo now has a Sena bridge so they can talk to each other.
What is the full battery charge durability?
That would be cool if we can control the helmet intercom through smart watch, example intercom app or something🤔
i have cardo but lately cardo sucs because they added pay to get features ...worst thing
Does it also work for listening to music at the same time or purely for talking?
It works at the some time for intercom functions. Not at the same time when calling on the phone, that does neither work on any BT headphone
Adam what helmet is that? Love it, really like the intercoms but man that price...
Bell Super Air R :)
@@mr_wrongway thank you! Looks like a great helmet. My motor cycle helmet is too much, I end up not wearing it and grabbing my Watts 2.0 instead
Z tym że... Sena jest droższa od Cardo, jeżeli porównywac modele o podobnej funkcjonalności. Cardo BOLD jest najtańszym modelem z mesh i można go kupić za ~800 zł w dwupaku. Jest to tylko stówka więcej niż model Seny o którym wspominasz, z tym że ten model Seny jest bardzo ograniczony funkcjonalnie, bo nie ma możliwości parowania się z innymi interkomami po Bluetooth. Mając więc ten model Seny możesz rozmawiać TYLKO z innymi Sena, a w Cardo Bold możesz się sparować z praktycznie każdym interkomem Bluetooth na rynku (a wiele osób jeszcze używa tanich chińczyków ze względu na cenę).
Po prostu porównujesz cenę najtańszego budżetowego modelu Sena z bardziej funkcjonalnymi Cardo. Jeżeli by porównać modele o podobnych możliwościach (jak chociażby to parowanie po Bluetooth), to by się okazało że jednak Cardo jest tańsze od Seny, a sama Sena jest too expensive ;)
Pozdro!
Dzięki za dodatkowe info ;) faktycznie Seną RT1/ST1 nie ma możliwości parowania przez BT, ominąłem to pewnie dlatego ze nigdy nie używałem tej funkcji. My bad. 50R jest podobny wtedy do Edge ale nadal widzę taniej niż Edge i Bold patrzac na szybko w necie.
Cenowo faktycznie Bold jest tańszy od Edge, to tez dlatego ze to jak by starszy model.
Głównym moim punktem to wygoda parowania i open mesh czego nadal nie ma w Bold. Porównując Edge do 50R mamy podobny rezultat z różnica ze Cardo nie ma open mesh, więcej lagu i limit riderów w grupie do 15 (24 dla Seny bądź bez limitu w open mesh)
Pozdrówki!
@@mr_wrongway o właśnie - jeszcze chciałem coś dodać odnośnie tych otwartych kanałów. Jak pierwszy raz o tym wspomniałeś na Facebooku, to wydawało mi się to super sprawą, ale po namyśle... Na tych samych otwartych kanałach mogą się zacząć odzywać motocykliści jeżdżący akurat w okolicy ;) Przypomniały mi się od razu czasy użytkowania CB-radia, gdzie trzeba było szukać wolnego kanału żeby z kimś pogadać, a i tak czasami odzywał się jakiś inny mobilek przejeżdżający w okolicy, który akurat gada z innym mobilkiem na tym samym kanale. Ma to więc swoje plusy i minusy.
Cardo jest droższe. Topowa Sena serii 50 jest tańsza od Cardo Edge.
@@MajsterkowoPL zobaczymy jak będzie w praktyce. W Vancouver ani razu mi się coś takiego nie zdarzyło ;)
I bought the edge and find it hard to use, annoying to arrange a group chat. The play and pause aren’t intuitive. I miss incoming calls too. A bit disappointing as I purposely paid more for what I had thought was the premium unit. Should have bought Sena
It does everything with voice control. Just say "Answer" to answer a call...plenty of better videos on /CZcams.
Is there a reason not to use an app on your group's phones to create a mesh network, and everyone can use any BT headset they want?
You have to use data then and drain your phones battery and have more lag. I think a stand alone solution is a bit better to use
@@mr_wrongway
What? No, the phones either connect to each other using BT or one of them acts as a wifi hotspot for the rest. No data usage, no lag. There are dedicated apps for this, at least on Android.
I believe Cardo and Sena can pair with each other using universal pairing mode (Bluetooth mode) and if you want to do mesh just have the brand with the most amount of devices in the group create the mesh and than use the Bluetooth mode to piggyback riders into the group. So if the mesh was cardo group I believe each Cardo headset can piggyback one Sena (or other Bluetooth intercom person) into the larger mesh group through the universal pairing.
Yes you can, but it is incredibly fiddly and such a pain to get working mid group ride. I use an older Cardo and the user interface and usability of the device feels like I'm using tech from early 2000.
Sena 50c is great
Btw, can it be recharged while being in use???
Yes sir!
Yes!
Is it possible to make a group in WhatsApp (for example) and then to join in a group call and communicate that way? 🤷🏼
Yep but it takes data, charge on your phone and still has lag
Im happy with my Sena 50R, which in my opinion was expensive... This one is just too much. 😬
You purchased the top model Sena, which comes with all features, and it is still cheaper than the Cardo Edge or a similarly priced Cardo that comes with a subscription. I also use the Sena 50R. If you're just interested in Mesh, the Sena Spider would be sufficient.
Z tym odpinaniem, że sena tego nie ma, to "półprawda" Sena Spider nie ma tej funkcjonalności. Ale przykładowo Sena 30K ma. Kupujesz zestaw do kasku, przepinasz tylko sam moduł intercomu i jednocześnie można go zabrać ze sobą do ładowania. Dodatkowo 30K ma ambient mode - jak masz mocno wyciszony kask, pomaga słyszeć dźwięki otoczenia (na życzenie - wyłącza wtedy inne funkcje). Więc - porównanie Cardo powinno być z mniej więcej odpowiednim modelem Seny. Mnie też irytuje brak współpracy mesh.
Dzieki! Nie wiedziałem o tym :) mogłem doprecyzowac ✌️
@@mr_wrongway Nie ma problemu. Trzeba się doktoryzować z intercomów żeby wiedzieć wszystko ;) Każdy model ma inne funkcjonalności. Nawet między senami jest rozstrzał. W jednym masz mesh w innym nie. Wyższe modele obsługują zarówno stary typ intercomu BT, Spider dla odmiany ma tylko mesh. Za to mam wrażenie działa szybciej (szybciej łączy się z telefonem), gra nieźle (używałem przez chwilę Spider ST z pokrętłem). Moja Sena 30K łączy sie trochę dłużej, ale ma obsługę zarówno tradycyjnego intercomu BT jak i Mesh. Za to ma usunięte radio. Wiele modeli Seny utraciło finkcję radia przez pandemię i problemy z dostawami. Jest lista jak chcesz się zapoznać. Co do wodoodporności - Cardo podaje że "ma". Sena nie wspomina. Za to z moich obserwacji Sena Spider RT czy Sena 50 R (czyli intercomy przyciskowe, bez pokrętła) są uszczelnione. Ale również moja 30K nie robi problemów w deszczu więc brak tej informacji jest pewnie tylko zabezpieczeniem przed pretensjami klientów jak coś pójdzie nie tak. Jak masz możliwość przetestowania, to Sena ma też kaski rowerowe. Mam w domu Sena M1 Evo oraz Sena R1 Evo (evo oznacza że obsługuje mesh) - który działa również z 30K. Polecam potestować jak będziesz miał możliwość, świetnie działa podczas jazdy i nie odcina od otoczenia bo głośniki są nad uszami.
Sena Spider jest w wersji ST1 i RT1. ST1 jest wersją odpinaną, RT1 nie. Tak samo jest w najwyższym modelu Seny - 50S odpina się, a 50R nie.
@@sr71_adrenaline Tak, ale to raczej taki zatrzask. Trzeba też popracować nad blokadą wtyczki od słuchawek i mikrofonu. W rękawiczkach moim zdaniem to niewykonalne. A Adamowi chodziło o takie szybkie wpinanie na piny, jedną ręką.
Not up to date my friend, the new firmware allows sena mesh!
All this tech should be in an iPhone app
yes it should be and perhaps even without the internet on some local portable wifi access point
⚡👀⚡
I'm 1 of the only people on my group rides that doesn't have 1..
Great but expensive and I'm too poor to afford 1
isn't this terrible? they all have spent 250-410 euros per person for their gizmo and continue to peer-pressure their friends into buying this overpriced proprietary crap, instead of the community rising up and developing a 100 euro open source solution. maybe a DMR radio in a form that suits motorcycle helmets or something even more clever. people are just pissing away money. i know radios are fun and even useful for safety, but these are ludicrous prices for what you get. a group of 10 people could spend 3000 euros on better things
@@markifi and it excludes those that can't afford them
cool
No. Easy answer.