Why is the future Anglo-Japanese fighter gonna be bigger than F-22?
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This video talks about the GCAP, a 6th generation fighter program, made by Japan, the UK and Italy. What might it look like ? How many might be built, where might they be stationed and how might they be used?
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Italy vs Spain
France vs Iran
I doubt very much the Japanese-British-Italy jet would out maneuver the F-35 in "net working." They obviously are aiming for a bigger, more powerful, F-22-like 2 engine superiority fighter jet... because all three countries are situated in areas where they have vast distances to cover, so safeguard their exposed territories.
But the US has over 1,000 actual military nodes across the world and the mid-range F-35 is built from the ground up to be a PLATFORM fighter jet (each F-35 is a specialist in its area of operation: Europe, the ME, SE Asia, Northeast Asia, Central Asia, Africa, North America, etc)... to leverage such "networking" INFRASTRUCTURE..... so no other jet could or would out "network" --- if by that term we mean the ability to send, receive, and crunch large volumes of intel safely, in the fastest manner --- the physically average F-35, which is NOT built to physically out accelerate, out speed, or out last (in fuel capacity & distance before it needs refueling) bigger, faster, and more powerful jets (F-22, Su-35/57, Typhooh, Rafale, Eurofighter, etc).... because its forte is in COMPUTATION (in radar and avionics and networking).
The F-35 is an IQ project, not a body building one... (The US has that leisure because it still has the mighty F-15 from last generation and the 1990s F-22, for brute force activities... The F-15 may be a flying billboard/target, & it is crude, and badly fabricated jet.... but it is as fast as the mighty F-22 & 95% as powerful in jet engines...)
The F-22, for example, is way faster, more powerful, and more maneuverable than the F-35; but computationally, it probably has only 1/4 of the F-35 native capability; and with the F-22 NOT an easy and older machine to upgrade, whereas the F-35 is built to be Easily UPGRADED in computational process capability, it probably will have up to an order of magnitude more computational capability than the F-22, by the time the US has 1,000 of them in service...
Anywan, you can't just build "6th gen fighter jets that are superior to American fighter jets" when you have NOT even built 3rd, 4th, or 5th. The las time either Britain or Japan built actual fighter planes was back in the 1930 - 50s. The US and Russia are the only two countries continuously build fighter planes before jet engines became available. Unfortunately, Russia just doesn't have the PRECISION tools, fabrication, and processing capability the US has, despite the former's continuous attempt to keep up.
You could see in the Su-57 the screws, nuts, and bolts from miles away, using eye sight alone. And it is Russia's most high-end project. It could only produce about 2 dozen or so. The F-35, however, looks someone like Alien fabrication, from some angles, with its metal sheet joining, screws, nuts, and bolts being so much more sophisticatedly hidden.... and by the time it is done with production, there will likely be 2,500 to 3,000 F-35 in 30 plus nations militaries...
The US 6th gen WILL BE a true 6th gen, both in labeling and in technological fabrication evolution....
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It's great to see Japan and UK coming together, deepening their defence ties. It makes sense. Both are known for their advanced industrial base, their ingenuity, discipline and courage. They will make it happen. Man, I am really looking forward to seeing that amazing jet.
Both small island nations who enjoy tea, have strong cultural exports, with a symbolic monarch, and have a history of Naval-focused imperialism
@@goldentoilet9562 Easy to tell a chinese wumao... pathetic 🤣
Britain has always had cutting edge technology but not always the finance to exploit it, so this is an ideal partnership. I think Britain will enjoy a less problematic relationship than it had with the Europeans, as all countries working together was a headache with years of negotiation. Japan gets advanced military technology that the US is usually reluctant to share. The UK and Japan have moved a lot closer in recent years since China started rattling the old sabre.
in automobile industry, UK is behind Germany, France and Italy,
in 5G telecommunication,equipment, civil nuclear, electrical car, high-tech train, UK is also behind China and needs Chinese companies for help,
so we can say a desindustrialized UK has still some few cutting edge tech, but "always have" is exaggerating,
both Japan Mitsubishi civil plane project and Shinshin jet fighter project have failed, in aeronautics, Japan is far behind US, EU and even China,
and Japanese liability is a doubt, since even India manages to land on Moon, but alk Japanese Moon missions have failed too,
of course Japan has also some special advanced tech to contribute, but calling ut Anglo-Japanese fighter seems to be ignore the key role of Italy,
Japanese Gundam is only in anime, in reality the top World 10 drones companies, none is Japanese,
i think UK should focus on its European partners first,
to be honest, in this world, the only adversary China takes as serious are the US and entire EU, only the US can be far beyond China,
China doesn't really takes UK and Japan as worth opponent of the same side,
but both of them still have right to try to catch up with China,
since Chinese GDP is larger than the total sum of UK+Japan+India+Russia+SK+Australia all together,
so in term of budget, it wil be hard,
What? What cutting edge tech are you referring to?
Yes, this! The Japanese, though not as experienced as the Brits in jet engines, have the same issue. They can greatly contribute on key hardware fronts such as in the materials sciences for the engine and radar components, after all they helped pioneer AESA radars and (like BAE), work with GE and Boeing on engine development. And the Brits, besides their outsized experience in designing jets from top to bottom, also have excellent software and interface experience.
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@@Emilechen Britain is pioneer in aircraft technology, built first Allied jet engines. Today many Airliners fly on Rolls Royce Turbofans. Military - Eurofighter, Tornado, Harrier etc.
@@MrCastodian Should be Mr Comedian, Like Jet Engine Technology almost every jet flying in 1940-50s had British Jets. Up to todays Eurofighter with the most powerful fuel efficient engines in their class.
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It is good to see the UK and Japan cooperating on programs like this. We both have excellent high tech industries and I think we make for natural allies as Western island powers. Perhaps we could go even further, developing spacecraft together in the future (perhaps via a UK-Japanese corporate merger? Call it Weyland-Yutani). I just hope we don't find any... alien lifeforms out there...
we tried film tie ins with skynet in the 1960's but still no AI overlords
a friendly advice,
Japan has already 3 major space failures/accidents this year, and all Japanese Moon missions have failed,
the Japan in reality is not the Japan in anime,
so UK should pick its partner more carefully, as a European nation, it would be better that UK focus on
other European nations first,
of course, UK has right to cooperate with Japan, but need to examine the liability of made in Japan,
but even in Tempest jet fighter project, Italy and Sweden have important roles not to be ignored,
@@Emilechen but Europe is fall of hostile nations to the UK these days best going back to our old allies
So wholesome hahaha
Anyways as Islands that were formerly named world title holders, you would be natural allies. It makes sense to cut away from the Europeon Ideology since you never were part of the clique anyways being far more maritime than any of them. You and Japan were both right bastards during your imperial eras, but mellowed with age. I find it amusing that with a little judicious work and deal making you may both, with OZ, be able to form a Maritime Commonwealth the Sun never sets upon... oi mate?
The dismissal of Italy in this video is insulting.
The UK is contributing with €10billion, Italy with €6billion, and Japan didn't pledge anything yet.
Today, Italy's Leonardo is the main developer of the electronic systems for the GCAP. And Avio will help with engine production. Key systems.
The Italian industrial base is larger than the British one, and it's especially strong in precision manufacturing.
So, the role of Italy isn't exactly marginal...
Japan has a flying demonstrator and working proof of concept engine.
yeah, Italy is the 3 main actors of Tempest project,
Italy uses to be a industrial powerhouse, in some fields, Italy even surpasses UK and Germany,
Italy alsos has defense industry giant like Leonardo,
Japan is an oustsider and it previous Shinshin jet fighter projet is alreday a failure,
Japan is not a such advanced country in aerospace and aeronautic industry comparing to US, EU and China,
people has too more illusion because of the animes, as if Japan could bring Gundam,
UK should foucus on its European partners, Europe needs to have its own 6 th generation fighter to match up with US and China,
Japan can joins the program, but can't really have a role more important than Italy,
They also have a robust aerospace Industry
@@blegi1245 This is not a matter of Italy VS Japan. It's a matter of just not downplaying the role of Italy.
But, since you mentioned, Italy has experience with stealth too. It's among the F-35 development partners, F-35 operators, and it has the only F-35 assembly and maintenance line outside of the USA (if i remember correctly).
Without mentioning Italy's experience with all the other recent aerospace projects.
And that Japanese prototype is just a little testing platform. Nothing like the final GCAS.
What are you going on about? This project was the goal of Shinshin, it's already achieved what it set out to do.@@Emilechen
British doesn't lack the knowledge to design stealthy fighters, it's economy is the limiting factor. British aerospace industries have contributed greatly to the F-35.
Not even its economy, just the government’s unwillingness to fund the British military.
@@bluemarlin8138
Why fund the military when there's boat loads of beggers to put up in 5 star hotels and issue free phones and medical care to despite them never paying a penny into the country in taxes.
Let’s go Britain and Japan 🇯🇵🇬🇧🇯🇵🇬🇧
In a way i think that in the public's eyes Japan and Britain give each other credibility. To the British public, Japan is at the cutting edge of technology, reliable and efficient. Britain on the other hand has a long history of being a major arms exporter. I don't know whether in practical terms these equate to being complementory partners but in terms of publicity it seems like a win
Britain is a failed state and build literally nothing to the table lol. Japan is evaporating but will use robots to build it 😊
@@david7384 What are you on about ?
That's an interesting point.
Germany and France are working on a 6th gen plane but the last I heard internal bickering has significantly slowed down development. So if the US refuses to export its 6th gen and GCAP keeps to schedule (a big 'if') then GCAP might be the first western exportable 6th gen fighter.
True.
Why are Germany and France bickering lol
@mharley3791 Lets not forget when France dropped out of Eurofighter. Sometimes theres just difference in what they want the design to be its normal
@@mharley3791 Company’s bickering on who will be the lead for the development of the project.
@@mharley3791always about Lorraine, Alsace, the maginot line, blitzkrieg and most likely who will win the champions league: psg or bayern munchen😂
The US is already flying Gen 6 Jet. They just don’t advertise it. Let’s also not forget Boeing X37B space Jet. It flies autonomous missions in low earth orbit for several months.
The US has been pretty open abut it's 6th gen jet, they've had a tech demonstrator but aren't ready to go into production yet.
@@davidhouseman4328 The US has Not been open on the subject. Speculative aviation sites/news have rendered opinions. I suggest simply, the US would NOT retire F-22 without replacement. F-35 joint strike fighter was never created to be air superiority fighter. In addition, US covertly operated F-117 from 1982, only acknowledging it in 1991-92. The F-22 operated from 1997 & was discovered in/around 2000/2001. Also, If one lives near a supposedly Dark US military base, as I…….the unusual reports of UFO’s & Strange exhaust dots that appear to be from a scram jet are visible.
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Lol “China may be a reason” why this plane is being developed. Why are you even questioning that? China is the number one reason this plane is happening. Japan wouldn’t have ever raised its military budget or started developing out there military capabilities if not for Chinese aggression in the region.
New 6th gen fighter requirements just revealed, fighter must:
- transform into Gundam
- gesture angrily in Italian
- be piloted by Daniel Craig
US and China better watch out.
We're one step closer to Macross/Robotech.
Dumb
Sounds like a plot for a scifi parody anime. I would watch that with snacks n a drink😂
so what you're saying is that, elon musk can basically fund 6 new fighter projects (est 40 billion each) and still have enough to retire comfortably.
I'm just glad that's the UK and not Germany this time.
Anglo-Italian-Japanese, please.
Pizza with miso sauce and baked beans on top
you forget to add Swedish,
6:46 Lacking in thrust? Thats what why girlfriend in college told me.
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im not really sure i want 6th gen fighters being exported to the middle east..... i cant be alone in that thought
I agree. Sadly the Saudis have an infinite money glitch. It is what it is.
If we don't, you can bet the Chinese and Russians will. Better to have influence over them by making them reliant on our products.
This thing will be much more expensive to bomb civilians with than something like a Su 25
@@TheThundertakerlet them. Their “6th gen” fighters will be made of plastic and toothpaste.
@Ag3nt0fCha0s That is not the concern. The middle east (Saudi Arabia in particular) is moving closer to Russia so the west should stop selling arms to them
It looks like the F-22 and F-35 had a baby.
Good to see that UK is not partnering with Germany, Spain or France for a plane. They’ve proven to be a pain in the past.
Name a good recent plane from the Brits...
F35 only Tier 1 partner. Next?
@@Smashyization F35 is close to shit tier; fortunately for the US they have other horses to count on.
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I will include collaberative programs as we are talking about a collaberative project here.
Eurofighter (developed from british demonstrator and british engine), Jaguar, Tornado, Lightning, Harrier, Spitfire, Concorde
Wonderful video for catching up with the programme
Of course, let's ignore Italy, who was in the Tempest project from the very beginning and is bringing to the table three times the expertise of Japan in aircraft technology......
Did you watch the video Italy did bring nothing ...
@@Shambles7698 The video Is crap. Leonardo Is One of the largest and fastest growing military conglomerates in Europe. Italy Is a top tier F35 partner, we assemble all European F35s in Cameri, and led the modernization of the Typhoon alongside the British (After being the most stalwart partner in that project, as we were in the Tornado). We are European Leaders in sensor technology, and the only European country alongside France to possess space launching capabilities. You guys can Shit on Italy as much as you like, It doesn't change the fact that our industrial capabilities are top tier, and that Japan hasn't done SHIT in the Aerospace industry since 1945 outside of buying American.
@@giulianoilfilosofo7927 No one is actively sh*tting on Italy, most of us are just ignorant... and to bring attention to Italy, you don't need to crap on the recent Japanese advancements.
@@Shambles7698 Italy will help a lot with its specialization in sensor technology and software iirc. Like Japan, they're also an F-35 production assembly and maintenance partner, so they can also help cut down costs and supply chain risks there.
@@lechefski I am not shitting on Japan. I am Just arguing that, At the Moment, they lag behind in aircraft technology because they have not produced a single domestic design that wasn't based on US imported airframes since 1945.
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At this point I would not sell anything advanced like stealth to any Middle Eastern country. F-15EX, yes but anything purely stealthy, no.
i totally agree. Saudi Arabia will soon be out of oil and not an usa major ally. as soon as we dont need their gas we are going to drop them like a bad habit. they are an evil regime that we have allowed to prosper against our better judgement bc of our need for oil.
I agree. Sadly the Saudis have an infinite money glitch. It is what it is.
@@MattyJ55046 We already don't need their oil, between the Canadian Tar Sands and the Fracking bringing us natural gas and Plenty of sweet oil, we are independant. We can decouple from the rest of the oil market if we wanted to. It is the American dollar again, not a petro dollar.
@@MattyJ55046the Saudi’s are attempting to diversify their economy… but we’ll see how it pans out so far if they keep blasting money on stupid projects like the Line then they’ll be broke very soon.
"Soon SA will be out of oil and therefore not a major US friend" hahahahaha
US and/or Australian made "Wingmen", as AUS is working much closer with US/DARPA on a number of different projects since the AUKIS signing and will build some or all/most "Wingmen"...
The Wingman made for the RAAF is damn impressive!
Not until the US congress allows Australia unrestricted access to US military tech. MQ-28 Ghost Bat is Australian designed and built. The US is now looking at purchasing.
I don't know of any project in Australia that is DARPA involved in this is due in apart to US technology restrictions.
Wedge tail E-7, Ghost Shark, Ghost Bat, Autonomous Trucks, Autonomous M113A4, Ghost Robot and Drone Control Drone Swarm all projects that have been done without US support.
The US is in some cases still trying to replicate what Australia has achieved.
Interesting that the two neighbors, Korea and Japan, are not cooperating with each other. Like Greece and Turkey, in NATO.
Greece and Turkey collaborating? Don't they hate eachother? Lol
@@atrumluminarium Japan & Korea are getting over their history in the face of China.
Its slowly changing. The Korean president even visited Japan the first time after a decade. They are forming closer ties. There is a new defence and intelligence cooperation between them, they signed it a short while ago. I think the Koreans will come around and let the past be the past. I mean here in the West, we know that Japan changed and that they are a different country and society compared to a century ago. But the animosity runs deep. They have a hard time letting it go, to be rational and open-minded when it comes to Japan. But like I said, its slowly changing and they are coming together. It's long overdue if you ask me. Both are culturally, politically, militarily and economically close, they are natural partners and allies. If they were to really get together and forge a close alliance, man they would be unbeatable and a true force for good. China would be in trouble. But as long as China remains true to their misguided revisionist and imperial ways, Korea and Japan will come together, sooner or later.
In the face of a common problem, people tend to put aside differences, even for a little while. N right now that problem for SK n JAP is north korea, china, and even russia.
N tbf, that problem has been around for decades, its just that with recent developements, things have gotten extra spicy.
@@arsyadidris6349 Man if that´s the stepping stone needed for Korea and Japan to come together, build a lasting partnership and maybe even a friendship, heck then there comes something inherently good out of the evil deeds of Xinnie the Poo pBear and his dictator party friends cecepee and co.
Great video as always… but putting the Italians that much a minor partner is quite a bit unfair and, at least for me, incorrect: although moneywise Italy will probability spend less compared to the UK and Japan, a huge chunk of know how and technology are still coming from Leonardo, both the Italian division and the UK one (which is still owned by the Italians) plus other Italians firms. I think it is expected that as for operational requirements UK and Japan will have a higher say than Italy (probably not that big deal for Italy since it has similar necessities with the UK). As for the technical contributions, Japan and Italy will be more or less on the same level behind the UK.
Some good points, but it doesn't seem fair to say Leonardo could contribute as much on the critical stealth, sensor or engine front- but if I'm wrong, please correct my ignorance.
@@lechefski i don’t know for sure, just speculating , but consider that the latest AEsA radar for UK’s typhoon, the ECRS Mk.2 is developed by Leonardo, as it it from Leonardo the radar on the Swedish Next Gen. Gripens . Leonardo is also responsible for the electronic warfare suit ( thanks to the experience with the DASS system and Britecloud decoy/countermeasures) … all aspect that I think crucial in determining the effectiveness of a stealth platform. In the end even though UK is definitely ahead in stealth tecnology… Japan and Italy are the only countries with an F35 final assembly line, so a guess that some know how was gained in that’s sense.
@@20Mb01 I see, that fits in well with what another commentator corrected me on- Italy seems to be very good at both designing and producing sensors for both military and research purposes. I assume the language barrier is the reason that most of us are still clueless about their part in all of this!
@@lechefski yeah guess so… I’ve noticed that Italy is usually not good at advertising its products apart from food and fashion ;) but yeah Leonardo has a pretty solid electronic and sensor division thanks to the acquisition of other minor Italian companies and part of what was the British Marconi Company, thus a big transfer of know-how (similar to what happened with Westland helicopters).In the end To be fair when talking about these big international corporations, relating them to a single country is a bit reductive since their Divisions, workforce etc. are usually scattered throughout different countries…
@@20Mb01 Good point- I only make an exception for military products since tech transfers between countries supersedes the usual industrial politics between corporations. It's a good thing that the three countries involved here seem to have no major disputes.
8th gen Fighter: Veritechs,Valkyries, & TSFs (Tactical Surface Fighter)
there's a mecha in there somewhere...
can't wait for Gipsy Danger... and KG-6 _Sleipnir_
I don't know the 8th gen, but the 6th will be able of space flight.
I propose the name Mitsubishi Arashi(嵐/Tempest) for the new fighter’s Japanese version.
I think those Japanese working on a device that can make anime heros to life.
A military Gundam would also be pretty cool too... not gonna lie
@@alexratzloff894 Tekkaman/Technoman blade.
And for powering their machines up. Pikachus can overcome the energycrisis and global warming.
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Interesting commentary and analysis as usual, Master Binkov.
I imagine the long range anti ship missiles *might* get a little shorter over the next 5 -10 yrs due to better technologies... that may allow them to be carried internally by the new Tempest/FX fighter?
Rolls Royce teaming up with such a splendid Japanese firm as IHI bodes well for the new adaptive cycle engines. They are both very good companies.
the ENGINE will be the key to making this fighter a truly advanced plane in teh gen. 6 category.
This type of cooperation will only become more important over time as development costs increase each generation. By 7th or 8th gen the US will inevitably have to run one big program with its allies.
Unlikely to happen if they keep withholding crucial data to allow the partner countries to modify their aircraft. Then limiting which additions and armaments are allowed to be used/purchased from them. US tends to screw anyone they are partnered with because they can and it benefits them. Something that most of the world is aware of is that if you become of little value to US they will drop you reeeal quick so if they can help it countries tend to not want to rely on US. Having a worse plane but being able to produce and upgrade when needed can be better than a good plane with limited abilities and potentially being cut off.
@@xXBisquitsXx Nah we won't see it happen again in the 7th gen. Look at the semiconductor industry. Each generation of chips becomes more expensive and eventually no country or company could afford it. Fabs merged and merged until there were no mergers left. Finally the whole supply chain had to start to pooling resources internationally.
US will not be able to afford the 7th or 8th gen alone. We're talking about a $5-10 trillion program. It's inevitable that there will be international collaboration. Even with the F-35 we worked very hard to spread the cost through the export market.
I imagine the Loyal Wingman stuff will probably be the Ghostbat (or Valkyrie). Given that of the AUKUS pact, Ghost Bat is pretty extensively worked on by Australia, I suspect the plan (or at least the plan as would be preferred by the Australians) would be to mass produce the Ghost Bat for all wingman drone platforms, GCAP, NGAD etc.
I'd be interested to see if Australia signs on to the GCAP, if the design decision is for longer range etc, it seems on paper to more closely fit Australian requirements given its large landmass etc.
Exactly and looking at the F-22 no sales even to allies, I can't imagine the NGAD being sold to anyone either having the most up to date and cutting edge technologies involved in its production.
I suspect that the Ghost Bat will be one of the drones utilized. There is a need for various drones at different capability and price points. There won't be a one fits all solution. We can observe that Develpoment already with the "normal" drones. They need cheap drones like a Tomahawk equivalent, cheap to mass produce which is good for attrition. And a more capable stealth drone, which is much more expensive but good for high-risk operations. Maybe even 3, one cheap, one middle, and one expensive solution. And then they have many different variants for those drones, like ew, isr, strike, air dominance, missile truck, etcetera. Thats what I envision.
@@herpderp9774 I don't think the world is the same as when the F-22 went into production. I think the American government is far more partial to sell the NGAD now due to the costs of its development (and eventually becomes cheaper with the more production it has) and of course, the AUKUS agreement has already allowed pretty serious technology transfer between the US and the UK and Australia what with nuclear subs and the like.
I do find it somewhat amazing that the GCAP is continuing its development despite the NGAD due to the AUKUS agreement; but I suspect there is a whole range of legal issues and technology sharing involved with that license that it might just be too expensive at the moment for the British government to pull out.
Whatever American allies like Japan and England design and build, as long as it adopts the open architecture of the F-35 (and likely NGAD), the design's success probably would be assured because then its internal components would likely be interchangeable with anything built by any NATO member. Buyers and operators of the aircraft might literally be able to pick and choose which components that best fits the country's budget and needs. And of course weaponry can be built by any country that supports the same mounts and provides the necessary management within the aircraft's open architecture.
Great video. I always love the content from you.
Next fcas program video...plz..
Looks like the yf23 great design amazing plane
Spitfire and Zero are having a child
Japan and America are the most creative and richest counties so it makes sense their warfare reflects it
Are you planing on making a video on the FCAS program?
This would be a good fit for Canadian arctic defense aircraft. Canadian procurement
I mean I’d hope it’s better than the f22 and f35. The f22 is ancient and f35 development started in the 90s.
Point to a 4th or 5th gen fighter that didn't takea minimum of 20 years to develop and become operational. It's the way it is with complex projects.
@@lukedogwalker you’re missing the point…
Idk its kind of a misnomer, it looks the same on the exterior but the coatings, radar, operating systems, flight controls, optics, computers, etc have changed dramatically. its like saying the engine in a modern Lamborghini is the same as the Miura's engine from the 1966.
What's the point of even talking about the F-22 it's not the topic. Yes, Japan wanted it once, but it cannot be exported by US law, and because of this, it's not in Japanese service. Only the F-35 matters well, mostly to the Japanese.
@@brianvanveghel7815 I didn’t bring it up. The comparisons were made in the video
I find Sweden's rejection to join any new stealth fighter program to be short sighted
No.
@@drive-channel1834 great response, care to elaborate?
I’m not the other guy but as a Swede, I can say that such a large aircraft with a huge range has never been a priority for Sweden. Sweden has always been in need of easy maintainance and STOL capabilities, which suits the Swedish army’s defensive mission and usage of small runways. I do think that Sweden should see to upgrade it’s ageing Gripen fleet somewhat soon. But I don’t think such an expensive program that primarily suits naval powers would fit for us.
@17.15 reminds me of the plane from firefox! Thought controlled weapons too 😅 that film was seeing 50 yrs into the future
Whatever the design is, I hope Japan will build 2 AI prototype jets that'll transform into humanoid shape upon landing. Name the first, Starscream and the second, Thunder Cracker. If any country can, it would be high tech Japan. 👍
Shinshin jet fighter, Mitsubishi civil plane, all Japanese moon missions have failed,
so i have a doubt about Japanese capacity,
Guadam only exists in anime, jn reality Japan can't even build a World top-10 drone,
Why not Macross or Mospeada 😂 yes do google image those badboys
“Thunder cracker” SHIIIIEEETTTT
Is Anglo-Italo-Japanese, why dont you put "Italian" in the title too?
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Because like in most partnerships, Italy signs in, but their contributions are very minimal
@@matthewhunter6421Mention any Matthew and explain to me Why US Navy buys our Frem frigates or we made the wings of F35 and whole EU MEA maintenance, just cause " Is minimal" contribution , so said the " chief engineer" of the day .
@@matthewhunter6421 ........undoubtedly there is a lot of hatred towards Italy.
@@matthewhunter6421 that's false. I'm America, but the project is a merge of an Anglo-Italian project (Italy-led project to be precise) and a Japanese one.
Do a video on FCAS as well buddy
Not only will bonding save 10% in weight, but losing 1000's of rivets and other hardware will make it lower observable (more strealthy) than if it had rivets
The bonging was internal. I don't think fighters have had outer rivets for a while because of the extra drag
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Considering Japan and South Korea just buried the hatchet at Camp David, maybe they should invite South Korea to this group, considering their considerable military industrial capacity, and competitive PPP potentially helping to mitigate some cost.
South Korea is focused on their KF-21 Boramae program in partnership with Indonesia. This is much lower capability level in terms of stealth and will use external weapons on initial variants. But it is also much lower cost in acquisition and especially in operations. It also enabled much faster development with production scheduled to start on n 2026. Internally it uses technologies directly derived from F-35 under license from the USA. It is as stealthy as feasible while avoiding high cost maintenance of exotic materials. This allows a focus on firepower that makes it functionally equivalent to F-35 in beast mode with external weapons at lower operating costs.
Tempest could be useful as a step up in stealth but they currently use F-35 for that role which might be sufficient for a long time.
@@stupidburp yes but that still puts them behind Japan. If South Korea joins, they could have the best air force in East Asia. GCAP, F35, and KF21 is an extraordinarily capable roster, with the KF21 being the backbone. It’s still worth it for Japan because now they have a partner in their region like the UK has in Italy. There are a lot of pluses here
I've thought about this but I think SK would rather stay out of a US-China conflict since they have enough on their hands already with NK, so 6th gen isn't such a priority for them, hence KF-21.
Boramae is sufficient to counter PLA AF Flankers and J-10 which are the bulk of their forces. It is also adequate for defending against J-20 and J-35 when operating inside of Korean integrated air defenses and with F-35s and drones to perform as scouts.
Tempest would surely be a welcome addition for Korea but replacing their large numbers of F-5 and F-16 will be a higher priority.
Boramae in large numbers will also of course be sufficient to absolutely wreck the large but ancient North Korean junk air force.
@@lechefskiI wouldn't expect a US/China conflict to not expand to the Korean peninsula
I remember when Binkov stopped saying "hypothetical" at the end of the videos
UK, Japan and others (Ger/Spain + project) have probably got the message that the new US 6-gen planes will not be exported (like F-22). US will still be well ahead.
Perhaps. There are rumors of the US possibly exporting to Australia,
I highly doubt the US versions will be radically superior to the Europeans. Might as well start exporting to the Australians
@@Mr.mysterious76 it probably will actually.
So much speculation and conjecture about this project at this initial stage. Interesting information, but veeery much subject to change, especially given recent history. What IS interesting is that Japan, UK and Italy want to be independent from LM and the US MIC and for good reason. I wasn't aware that SAAB had pulled out though.
All the same, I give it a maximum of 50% chance that this project will hit the finish line. BAE kind of has a track record of all talk and no show.
BAE is the largest arms manufacturer outside of the US and they are huge and worked massively on the F35 and on top of that, Rolls-Royce engines are some of the most capable in the world... The UK has the capability to make a stealth fighter and Japan are looking fast to upgrade their military due to rising threats and they have the industry to do it. It's an ideal partnership... Italy are sort of a third wheel that'll cover some of the expenses but still important for finacial reasons so I can see this going through but I can see Italy being replaced later on though.
@@crackajacka87 Well, when did they actually build a jet fighter last? Little SAAB in Sweden just got the Gripen E on the market, which the best jet fighter out there on a cost/maintenance/philosophy perspective. Yes, it is hampered a bit by having to rely on a 2nd rate American jet engine, but I would still pick it any day of the week over the Eurofighter, produced by a consortium of nations, and being replaced by F-35s as we speak/text.
It's been 20+ years when they couldn't get the Typhoon right and all the while buzztalk on Tempest and now GCAP. Believable? The French was right to pull out. I will believe this when I see something substantial, or we will have another two decades of talk, while the government decides to buy clumsy and overengineered US planes.
Prove to us that you could actually build a 6th gen jet fighter. Until then it's just talk, with no backing from corrupt politicians. To be frank, BAE would probably be better of as a subcontractor to Dassault or SAAB, who can actually deliver on time and on budget and deliver something good. I don't care if BAE is a huge arms manufacturer. Their track record on jet fighters speaks for itself, and now they're jumping one gen and expect us to believe their promises?
@@henrikg1388 You do realise that BAE helped on the F35 right? They also test stealth capabilities of new materials as stated in the video and they are the largest weapons manufacturer outside of the US and they make all types of weapons platforms like submarines with the Astute class and IFV's like the Bradley, they have their hands in a lot of pies and lets be real with the Gripen E, it's very outdated in todays stealth market and is probably why it has sold barely any and is considered a failure from a comercial prespect as the few countries that did buy it only bought like a dozen of them... Only Sweden bought a lot of them with 74 but even then they leased out 28 to the Czech and Hungary airforces. BAE is far more capable of making a solid fighter that can compete with other 6th gen than SAAB could.
By the time the Tempest comes out, the F/A-XX and the NGAD will be also out.
They're hoping to start Tempest prod run about mid 2030s [at soonest] while F/A-XX and NGAD programs planning (or rather, "hoping") to start fielding by 2030 at decade's end if not sooner, prob optimistically aiming for soonest 2027-ish. Lol, we'll see if their math is correct shortly then and have next-gen air supremacy fighter in case of any provocation in the Pacific and that theater goes hot with rhetoric turning kinetic. At very least, I don't know how they [DoD/brass] hope to get production adherence to their schedule especially when domestically, the political class is trying to get coof lockdown and mandates to forefront again...which will definitely impede all domestic manufacturing of any sort with supplychain bs, personnel shortage, dumb ass draconian medical edicts, etc but I digress..
Yeah, and?
Ww3 would have already been over 😂😂😂
15:51 wouldn't the MBDA meteor do as a first radar guided missile? It has only been in Production for a few years and new sub versions B/C/D etc must be in the works.
Good look!
Japan. The Empie is now a close ally.
It's no longer an empire
No? They don’t have an emperor?@@ieuanjones7615
Emperor Hirohito would disagree@@ieuanjones7615
Anglo japanese alliance lasted 30 years actually since russo japanese war, of course after japan had the racial equality act after ww1 they ended it
I’m honestly surprised it’s taken Japan this long to field a new frontline fighter jet - their F15Js have been around since the 1980s with similarly old avionics, and the F-2As are great multirole aircraft, but not the best for air-to-air. For an island nation with China nearby, a powerful air superiority fighter is paramount, and its good to see Tokyo is finally starting the process together with the F-35 purchase.
in fact it is not so surprising,
Japan in anime is different from Japan in reality,
today Japan can't even have any World's top-10 drone company, but people already supposes that Japan could make Gundam,
today only US, China and EU/several European nations together have enough manpower, resource and techs to make a 5/6th generation fighter project,
since it become more and more expensive and complicated,
so middle-sized and decling countries like, UK, Russia or Japan can't achieve it by their own, they need make join project,
for Japan, catch up with China and reduce its gap is alreday very hard, China has a GDP bigger than Japan+UK+SK+India+Russia all together,
Shinshin jet fighter, Mitsubishi civil planes and all Japanese Moon projects have failed when China has finished all equivalent projects with success,
it is 2023 yet, there is almost chance for Japan to have "superiority", not to be left behind by China too far is already a succes,
Japan has been an overwhelmingly pacifist nation since WWII, so it hardly put money into defense R&D, choosing to rely on the US instead. Unfortunately, the US starting giving Japan the shaft since at least the 80s for fear of Japan getting too competitive, so they forced them to use the F-16 as a platform and witheld tech transfers... then banned them from F-22 exports and here we are.
@@lechefskii think calling Japan pacifist seems to be weird,
in Japan, 0 official memorial for WWII victim of others nation, 0 official ceremony for Japanese, Chinese and Western anti-facist heroes,
but so many shrines which venerate war criminal, the only ceremony Japan take as serious is Hiroshima and Nagazaki, they don't fking care about the allied civilians and soldiers,
Japan has never been pacific, they don't regret for the war, but only regret for the defeat,
at the beginning of Japanese invasion of China, US keep selling oil and steel to imperial Japan,
after the WWII, US have protected and tolerated so many war criminals for geopolitical reason,
today US medias exaggerate the might of Japan to ensure American people:
"if even my Asian side-kick can singlehandly defeat China with ease, why should I be worried about China?
and a "superpower" like Japan, instead of creating its own Asian sphere, becoming a leader of Asia to match up with US and EU, Japan prefers remain a loyal humble vassal under the shadow of US,
the West only knows Japan for centuries, meanwhile China knows Japan for 2000 years, the first historical of Japan is written by the Chinese historians,
so according to Chinese historical experience, if one day US really decline, no one can guarantee that Japan will not backstab the US to make a deal with China,
@@Emilechen I'm really not invested in your narratives. Japan wasn't putting money into the military since WWII until now, period.
One thing we can all agree on Mr. 50 cent, is that China is not pacifist in any sense of the word and has at minimum, dormant border conflicts with every last one of its 14 neighbors... I'm not even including its neighbors across the ocean- and to the point of forcing them to align with the US out of exasperation. Any country that can single-handedly push Duterte and the Philippines to ally themselves with their former colonizers of the US and Japan, gets to claim no moral high ground here.
@lechefski
"Forced them to align with us"
I think it is a multiple military bases surrounding China and in various pacific island nations at this moment doing all that.
Getting tired of nafo tier geopolitical insights here on yt.
Italy is NOT in the middle with a smaller part. Italy is the founder of the Tempest program with UK. And is bringing the expertise of the Typhoon project (predecessor of the Tempest). Who is the most irrelevant part and has been added at a latter time in a political effort to expand the NATO to the Pacific is Japan. That for years tryed to make a decent aircraft but never could be able to acheeve success. And has been picked up more as a replacemente to Sweeden.
Japan has more money and resources than the other two. And whilst they lack expertise in many areas of defence manufacturing due to over-reliance on the US and a post WWII ban only recently lifted on collaboration with others they have top tier tech when it comes to electronics.
@@TheThundertakerJapan will do the heavy lifting but the UK especially has a lot of tech that JP doesn’t have and they can fill the gaps. And yea Italy is definitely not going to play a prominent role in development…
Distributed fighter based awacs will be a huge counter to the Chinese J20 expected tactic of taking out awacs support planes. Having every fighter be able to fill that role will make that a more survivable and replaceable option.
Thats literally what F-35 already does bro.
@@iamscoutstfu exactly. I didn’t say this new fighter only… just that ability… which yes the F35 has… but it sounds like they want this new design to be superior in that regard with independent arrays to reduce blind spots and to allow finer tracking especially of swarm weapons or drones. I hope they also put infrared search and track on it too.
i'm not a military expert like you pretend to be....but arent the awacs those special big planes with the huge radar thingy that doesnt really fit into any fighter plane?
otherwise why would anyone even waste time building those big planes instead of just using fighter planes for that if the equipment fits them?
@@sabin97 most of those big awacs planes with the radar dome are decades old. The radars are big and can see very far. But the technology has gotten better to the point that a radar the size of a fighter nose cone can serve as an awacs. I don’t know the specifics enough to say whether the big radars are still better or if they are similar or if the little radars are just good enough to do the job. It’s kind of like how computers used to take up whole buildings… then rooms then a desk top, then a pocket… then a wrist watch…. The bigger computers are sometimes able to do more but an older big computer might be very similar to a newer smaller one. So there will be a range and sensitivity (plus many small sensors might be able to pick up more than one big one) at which fighter radars are good enough. There will be an upper limit to how much radar is useful. If you made a huge radar using the small tech it could get more powerful still, but the range will only ever be able to reach around the distance towards the horizon. As the earth curves away even a high altitude will be blocked by the earth or start returning orbital objects.
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ITs pretty clear you aren't a military expert, otherwise you'd understand why.
I suspect Australia will go with NGAD too if the US will sell.
A few years ago, I’d have said there’d be no chance based on what happened with the F-22, but post-AUKUS and remembering the US made special provisions for selling the F-111 to Australia, it’s more than possible this may occur in future.
Very likely. Australia has no recent tradition of buying fast jets from the UK, not since the Vampire and the Meteor in the 1950s. Nothing since then has had the long range always needed in the Pacific.
Don't forget Australia is the only Allie using the Growler. A US NGAD is most likely if it is Ghost Bat compatible otherwise it will increase JCAP potential.
The Australians couldnt afford to base their air fleet around an aircraft that US Generals are saying will be in the order of $300m each.
@@watcherzero5256 You may well be right, but if it is too expensive for a wealthy country like Australia, then the USA couldn't afford it either. They will have to find ways to make the system more affordable. Otherwise it will go the way of so many other over-budget abandoned projects like the A-12 and the TSR-2.
@@juneabbey9538 The US will probably have a layered air fleet, with the NGADs backed up by 5th gen fighters.
The NGAD provides air superiority and takes out the biggest radar systems - it is replacing the F-22 after all. The F-35 is the multi-role fighter bomber that takes out air defenses. 4th Gen mops up anything on the ground.
So not a huge volume of NGADs
BAE has also built the "flapless" demonstrator, which is very stealthy indeed.
A flapless GCAP would be amazing.
Combined with Reaction Engines' hypersonic jet engine concept?! 🤤
yep love that to happen
Sounds almost biomechanical... can't wait to see the generation after this!
First there was the BAE Demon demonstrator UAV.
Most recently there was MAGMA by the University of Manchester.
Reaction Engines' pre-cooler from their SABRE rocket engine has been used to create the Hypersonic Air Vehicle Experimental (HVX) Programme.
You take a jet engine, who's speed is limited but inlet temperature melting everything, and add the pre-cooler from SABRE.
The idea is now you have a jet engine that works from rest up into the Mach 5 range.
Currently known as HVX Concept V.
Plus Saudi will purchase at least 50 and looks like Germany may drop out of French option. Exports could be big.
sweden would probably wanna develop its own aircraft and saab probably pressured them a bit too
The current development cost don’t allow a small country like Sweden to develop a next generation fighter jet.
@@dayros2023 it does if they dont go stealth which is where most development cost lays
Re F-35, Japan, of course, is acquiring 105 x F35-A as well as the 42 x F35-B. While the UK's now committed to a minimum of 74 x F35-B..
so why have this program? seems hard to put resources in importing + R&D of new program for a smaller country like UK
@@effexon I suppose it depends what you see as being sufficiently "smaller" as to make the effects you cite disproportionately onerous. In which case it'd only apply to Japan or the UK relative to China or the USA. One of several reasons both nations, along with Italy too, are in any case pooling the cost and risks.
Just like the (in fact, economically yet smaller) combo of Germany, France and Spain, who individually would be still harder pressed to find the required resources. Yet who, like Japan/UK/Italy. seek to address the issue collectively.
@@squirepraggerstope3591I meant that they have custom R&D for typhoon, video topic + still import lot of F35.... for R&D getting pooling is necessary so that economy isnt totalitarian just geared for military. Maybe it is just to keep skillset alive, as these purchases arent simple, like other comment pointed out(make some competition at least on paper to have choices -> better negotiation position)...
@@effexon F-35 will be 15-20 years old when this plane becomes operational. It will still be capable but having your entire Air Force full of F-35s and only F-35s might not be great.
That being said, you are right in saying this project is about maintaining the skillset and the industrial capacity to build our own jets and just advanced military technologies in general.
The US can and will fuck you over if you ever become too reliant on them.
The Japanese F-X artists rendition with the Whale Shark sensor skin pattern looked way cooler than the BAE goofy looking mockup. The SCAF looks very sharp but the model sits on French cinder blocks not very compelling even for an art project. 26:00 great discussion on development money and as Justin Bronk at RUSI has analyzed GCAP will cost much more than has currently been discussed. Best of luck I think there is a huge need for this plane.
I have a feeling this will compare to the F-22/35 as Eurofighter does to the teen series...
In exercises, F-35s often identify aircraft before AWACS does. They are a great quarterbacking airplane with it's sensors and SA.
"You have so much more information, and then through fusion, you're sharing and collaborating with all the other airplanes out there. It is impossible, if you were a 4th gen perspective, to understand without seeing it from the inside, how much more awareness that you have. I think it’s part of the reason why Lt. Col. Tucker [former F-35 pilot] said about ‘not needing an AWACS telling him what to do as he had more information than them…’
This isn't to say that an AWACs isn't a valuable tool, and it helps us do things that you certainly couldn’t always do or wouldn't want to do in an F-35. But in my cockpit, I saw this in Raptor and I saw this in F-35 when I went on operational missions in Nellis Test range or anywhere else, we routinely and almost never utilized an off-board system like an AWACS and when we did, we never relied on the information they pass because we had so much high fidelity information.
Four-ship Raptor/F-35 does not need an AWACS to conduct missions.” "
- Lt. Col. David "Chip" Berke. Over 2,800 hours in F/A-18, F-22 and F-35. Served 3 Years as Top Gun Instructor pilot and former CO of First operational F-35B Squadron.
How much of that f35 detecting things before the awaks does is because the f35 is deployed far forward of the awaks because it's the stealth...?
@@michaelwicker9538 I think most of it. It can take a closer look for sure, and with data sharing with other F-35s, it can paint an excellent picture of a wide swath of airspace. ..... But the sensors are excellent as well, and that's part of it too.
Worked with Japanese companies for 20 years. Japanese wife works for Italians. To quote Jake Skywalker, “This is not going to go the way you think"🤣
Will this plane fly off from the upcoming Super Space Yamato?
And the upcoming Super Space Rodney and Nelson.
🇬🇧🇮🇹🇯🇵 what a combo
I wish Poland got into it ;( even more, I wish USA released YF-23 and new GE engines - variable cycle, high temperature ceramics....
GCAP might end up looking a lot like YF-23.
Same, but one step at a time! If Poland cooperates with Korea on aspects on KF-21 and then it can properly contribute to future projects like GCAP, and then Silesia could get extra busy! Also, it sounds like RR is asking IHI to consider adaptive engines for GCAP, so there might be alternatives after all...
@@lechefski I'm fairly confident I've heard that Poland has already signed a letter of intent to contribute funds to the KF-21 project.
@@HypnoticChronic1 That's news to me, I hope it's true!
@@HypnoticChronic1 well... SK do need that second partner... Indonesia is not that forthcoming with the funding... Indonesia is supposed to be the junior partner, but payment issue is kneecapping the program... (tho SK already have a first flight, but IND is suppose to get a test plane)
Poland have benefit from every single military development program in Europe and from America.
For example, we Italians have already sold attack helicopters and training fighters to Poland.
A large chunk of Polish armed forces works on foreign international NATO-based platforms.
That's the reality of NATO. Everyone have something made by everyone else.
man this comment section is something else
Why y’all leaving Italy out of things? It’s an Italo-Anglo-Japanese program not Anglo-Japanese
My bet: its going to be a high speed, high range, stealthy missile truck, not a fighter in the least.
If it ever gets into a furrball then its F-ed up, but thats what the AI wingmen are for.
Might even be big enough to carry a few wingmen to drop like land mines and run, if things get hairy.
This is probably the correct bet. A bigger air frame will allow it travel farther (more fuel) and the Allies are currently missing a long range stealthy middle truck (F-35 Carries at max 6 missiles, FX-15 is not stealthy and old).
This in theory would avoid duplication of systems, especially considering the F-35, which Japan, UK, and Italy continue to have, will be supported until the 2070s. The F-35 will continue to be the quarter back while the GCAP will be the overwhelming firepower
Compelling to watch from start to finish - would like to know what the USA is getting (UAV/missile orders..?) and giving (some tech maybe?).
The US NGAD will more like a 7th generation: using airflow ports to turn instead of flaps, lasers, color changing skin, long wave radar stealth, hypersonic speed, new diamond/ceramic coatings, and they already have a flying prototype….
That sounds like sci-fi bullshit .. lol.. except it's all true
They’ll never export that though surely.
It will also conduct interplanetary spaceflight, establish first contact with extraterrestrials, time travel and reverse the climate change
It will be better than anything China or Russia has, and that's all that matters. It will fly alongside F-22, not against them.
F-22 will be retired before this thing enters service.
It will? Nothing they have or can build today can match Chinas tech, so will it be better?
@@blegi1245 I guarantee you it will remain in service long after it is due to be retired.
@@B.D.E. That's only because congress won't approve retirements as soon as air force wants. But it won't be 6 years or more (planned complete F-22 retirement is 2030, this thing is supposed to enter service 2036 if there are zero delays).
Near-peer competition for US overly strict policied techs will be a boon for the US sphere.
Hopefully it will work out.
Youd hope so given it's 35 years older
Weyland-Yutani merger soon
Tempest seems to be the most ambitious 6th gen fighter yet, with a lot of mature technologies looking cutting edge. Rolls Royce, BAE systems, Leonardo and MBDA...I mean, this is the A-team of aircraft design so when it finally comes out it's going to be peerless. Problem is, the UK, which is likely the biggest customer will likely only buy few because the Government can't be trusted.
13:07 it needs to be large because next generation weapons like Meteor and beyond may be bigger than current internal bays. Currently its taking years to modify Meteor to fit current F-35-B's and the step of Meteor over AMRAAM and all current missiles honestly is huge.
Also, F-35 has like a measly 4 missiles currently in its bay, its essentially a mildly armed recon plane in LO at the moment.
15:30 Typhoon also uses next gen digital stealth, something I haven't seen currently updated for even the F-35. Including powerful active measures.
16:29 Unlikely when its inferior to Meteor according to all public details of the missile. It doesn't have a ram-jet and is small enough to fit in F-35 and F-22 internal bays. The US is far behind UK/Europe in terms of air to air missile technology. Hell, its taken decades for its navy to start stocking active seeker missiles for its destroyers...
don't forghet that tornado and eurofighter was developed by a consortium of uk germany and italy
@@lucianorosarelli-xr5lr Aircraft projects are large, so yes, almost all of them came out of a consortium or were developed by many different defense companies from around the world. Look at the F-35, its parts were built/designed around the world.
This a goofy naive European post.
In terms of technology it appears to be less ambitious than the SCAF/FCAS/FA-XX. Perun has a good video on 6th gen fighters you can check it out. However it is very ambitious in that it targets an in service target date of 2035 which might be 10 or more years earlier than the French/German project.
The United Kingdom has not shared how it plans on developing and delivering new technologies tied to the sixth generation future fighter and associated system of systems known as the Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP) with Italian manufacturer and partner Leonardo, according to company CEO Roberto Cingolani.
Led by Italy, Japan and the UK, GCAP is set to launch its “core platform” or next generation fighter plane development phase next year, but a frustrated Cingolani told reporters that he has still not seen “anything specifically as a capability from the UK” and suggested the roles of industry partners were not made “very clear” from a competence assessment, designed to define manufacturing responsibilities.
He said work with partners must be “transparent” and “collaborative,” adding “it’s impossible to have a 20-year-long consortium with the idea that we don’t share the information.”
For a start, the joint team “should make a serious competence assessment, and then I think there will be surprises,” he said during a press briefing last week to launch Leonardo’s 2024-2028 industrial plan.
Thats mainly talk directed at getting the kind of work that they want, system of systems work specifically. It's largely commercially driven.
ASPJ was a US program for eons
Japan + UK = Redbull F1
It's an OP combo. Just ask Lewis Hamilton and Leclerc
Never underestimate Japanese. They can achieve what they want.
@@GF-mf7ml Japanese can't even achieve its own X-2🤣
@@dravenvea2605 X-2 is just a technology demonstrator. They weren't intending to go all out with it.
@@NationChosenByGod No. It's due to lack of superiority and advanced tech. So they turned to better F35.
@@dravenvea2605 I disagree. Japan had advanced tech with radar, heat-seeking missiles, and jet engines which is why Britain allowed Japan to join. X-2 only focuses on 3-D thrust vectoring and maneuverability purposes. F-35 is just a temporary solutions for both the UK and Japan.
I would be surprised if the XF-9 is used in any form. Yes obviously it will heavily influence the design but it’s not a future engine, it’s a current engine. I imagine the core and all that jazz will be completely fresh, with RR more extensive engine experience being crucial.
As for Radar I fully expect Japan to be on top, of that, and the UK and Italy will aid in what they know, as their current Gallium Nitride prototype is only partial nitride, and partial arsenide.
XF-9 advantage is a relatively narrow width while maintaining adequate performance. This allows a thin side profile to the aircraft which is more stealthy.
@@stupidburp of course, that’s not what I’m referring to. EJ200 and F119-PW-100, the engines that power the F-22 and Eurofighter, both first ran in 1990, a third of a century ago. The British and Americans have always been leaps and bounds ahead of the competition when it comes to jet engine design, including the Soviets.
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 It's not that clear cut. RR beat P&W with their tested specs for the F136, and they themselves are impressed by the XF-9. Also, the RR already offered IHI consultancy on the XF-9- and that makes a lot of sense since (publicly) they've only had the time to test modifications to existing platforms and neither country can afford to extend the timeline.
I'm hopeful for XF-9, since it was designed from the ground up for these stealth and power generation requirements, and it has a form factor that could really benefit future stealth drones and hence, really improve sales prospects and maintenance costs going forward.
@@lechefski I would agree with the stealth drones. Not to disparage the Japanese at all, as I imagine the information technology of Japan will greatly benefit the program. However it must be understood that the engines such as the F136 are old designs now, with the F136 being a 2004 design, while the XF-9 wasn’t delivered until 2018. Again Japan is very in on technology, but engine design has historically and currently an Anglo dominated field.
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 I'd actually argue that the Brits are well ahead in information technology, heuristics, etc. Anyhow, I'm not saying that the Japanese are on par, but let's not pretend that 30 years in jet engine development is the same as it is for consumer electronics. Also, if RR is on board, I really don't see a conflict of interest for either party, especially now that the Brits are pressuring IHI to look into adaptive cycle. This could be a massive win-win scenario.
Testing the crucial weapons bay???
AUKUS = aw-kus, not you-kus.
@@calebjohnson6423 no, AU is pronounced aw, as in Australia (or Austria).
@@calebjohnson6423 that pronunciation is inconsistent with other words beginning Au, Australia, Austria, audio, aurora etc. So the 'aw' pronunciation is more consistent and logical and the 'Oh' pronunciation ought to be disregarded
@@calebjohnson6423 That depends on your accent. My accents are English, Australian, and Canadian, and it's aw-kus in English and Canadian, a cross between to uh and aw in Strine. It certainly isn't you-kus or oh-kus.
Japan is the last nation joining the project and gets credit for the authorship of the project?
Japan 6th gen can transform into Gundam
Shinshin jet fighter, Mitsubishi civil plane, all Japanese moon missions have failed,
so i have a doubt about Japanese capacity,
Guadam only exists in anime, jn reality Japan can't even build a World top-10 drone,
@@Emilechen Yo chinese wumao dont you think its pathetic to copy paste your pathetic comment everywhere in the comment section?! Man you must live a really unhappy life to be so in hate and obsessed with Japan! Really pathetic...
@@innocentwifeofallnerds-rl2qq China is the first nation of Humanity who stand against the fascists in WWII,
at the begining of Japanese invasion, US keep selling massively oil and steel to a Japan lack of natural resources,
finally Japan uses them to produce weapons to kill the Chineses, Koreans and later the Americans,
if China surrenders directly like France, gives all its manpower, resources and land to Japan, so that Japan can relocate its capital in mainland China,
in this case, imperial Japan can use them to kill millions of Americans, even 2 bombs are not enough to force Japan to surrender,
if today USA don't want to commemorate with Communist China, they can still it with Taiwan/Republic of China, but they don't care, they prefer go to Hiroshima,
Hopefully, a similar episode on Germany France Spain FCAS project
I'm surprised their new plane cannot transform into gundams (this is a joke....or is it?)
I don't think anything that comes from the UK and Japan is known for being inexpensive.
AV-8B
Who do you think invented the Sten SMG?
Japan, Germany, and Italy should work together on new gen tanks, planes, and guns
getting the old gang back together I see
@@tianyuanfan6039 lmaoooo
Germany is too busy getting into arguments with France over literally everything to do that. UK and Germany swapped friends and I think I know who got the better deal🤣
Lol the old team
Japan has very specific needs when it comes to tanks, and they already have that in the form of the Type 10 and Type 16.
But they can fire the same rounds and can network with western tanks, so its all good.
12:10 Ahh, the Chmmr.
Shouldn’t it be compared to other 6th gen concepts rather than 4+ and 5th gen fighters?