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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- Ignideus, a well known Shadowverse Creator, lets Rarran show him hearthstone cards
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Rarran, RegisKillbin, Zeddy, trump, thijs and other hearthstone youtubers all play different hs gamemodes. Duels, Battlegrounds, Standard, Arena and Wild are in the game that can new cards from new expansions to climb and win HS games.
Hearthstone is a card game based on WOW, it is also a digital card game.
Legends of Runeterra is a 2020 digital collectible card game developed and published by Riot Games. Inspired by the physical collectible card game Magic: The Gathering, the developers sought to create a game within the same genre that significantly lowered the barrier to entry. Shadowverse is another card game - Hry
Thanks for having me on again! Was so much fun
We need more of this!!!!!!!!!!I wanna c him rank both the artstyle and effects(of sv,)
I don't play shadowverse but Ignideus is one of my favourite guests you've had on, really good episode of this
Ah yes Druid, the only class that doesn't want mana refreshing since they want to just ramp. Loved the video
Why summon a 5/5 when u can just kill ur opponent :)
@@vietquang8739 I've seen brann + that card + daddy d couple of times. Guess they just didnt have Kael'thas
@@AlexanderGorelik-yl2uy or Guff. I've honestly thought of removing Kael from my ramp Druid, the amount of times where I have that 3 piece combo and haven't drawn guff by the time Daddy D has lethal, is so small, it's not worth the investment
@@vietquang8739 They loved cards like Arcane Tyrant and Anubisath Defender. I think the problem with Green Thumb is that you have to play it first. Drawing into it with a big draw spell is terrible and the upside of maybe getting more than your mana back is too niche.
When Guff rotates (or is nerfed) it could see more play. I mean why refresh mana when you can't even sprnd it all.
Rattlegore was absolutely goated, I remember him just demolishing all of the Control Warlocks at the time just by existing, good times man. And then Control Priest came along and ruined everyone’s days
I just wanna say I LOVE Ignideus’ laugh. it’s so infectious. great vid!
Your previous Shadowverse video actually made me installed it again, and I just goes nonstop for that game lmao. Earth rune is such a cool deck
I agree. I really hope he keeps dping these Shadowverse vudeos witg Igni. I'm honestly so glad that Dirt Rune is super good again. Such a fun deck and also pretty budget which is nice. I play either Dirt Rune or Empty Blood as both are good and super cheap.
Funnily his vids made me star playing Magic after seeing how interesting the cards are
Unlimited gamers 😎
And d shift rune is cooler
@@quangchau3907 got destroyed so hard in unlimited vs handless.
One thing I would add about hysteria is that pre-nerf it enabled a combo deck in priest (and technically warlock) where you would play wretched tiller, which does burn damage when it attacks, and then give it immune and 0 attack so it would just infinitely attack causing infinite burn damage to your opponent. This deck was tier 0 in wild until the card was nerfed.
"These cards can be evaluated in a vacuum"
*proceeds to give him cards that require an understanding of the metagame around them to evaluate them properly*
Came here from Igni’s channel and I’ve been binging all of these same videos despite not knowing Hearthstone. And yet with how similar the games are, I still sort of get it.
Good stuff! Would love to see more videos with Igni and comparing the two games.
Wasn't hysteria mostly nerfed because of the interaction with wretched tiller in wild?
Yes, initially it was nerfed for the Tiller OTK and could only target enemy minions, then it got nerfed again from 3 mana to 4 mana afterward just because of how ridiculously efficient it was.
@@CrestedPeak9 now it could just go back to 3 though
@@CrestedPeak9 Didn't people just go treachery and keep doing the combo or what happened with that?
@@SaskeR11 In wild? idk about that.
@@SaskeR11 as a wild only player I disagree
As much as I love your content rarran and I truly do, I don’t think you understand what “In a vacuum.” Means.
In a vacuum describes something that stands alone, something cut off from other influences, something without links to the outside world.
Meaning for hearthstone, the card should not be influenced by what currently is or isn’t in the game. Card like dantherus or the countess would be excellent examples. These cards that you used were all conditional cards influenced by what is in the meta.
The dragon was influenced by if dragons were good.
The bartender card is influenced by if secrets would stay in play a long time
Olgra if enrage warrior was good etc.
If you gonna show people “in a vacuum.” Cards, you need general, non-conditional cards.
But again, I really do love your content, literally watch these the moment they come out and hope you continue to improve.
"You can evaluate all these cards in a vacuum" - Proceeds to show off a card that is very solid in a vacuum but not good enough specifically when compared to other cheaty druid stuff
So he got the card right
Ignideus was a great guest in both videos. Really fun guy
Love all these collab videos keep ‘em up
Ignideus is a great guy for this series, i know NOTHING about shadowverse but he's still made both of these entertaining
Hey Rarran, first off, this segment is currently by far my favorite hearthstone content out there.
I absolutely love it.
Now comes the one criticism...
Your knowledge of the cards itself...
Both druid cards you started with don't see play because there's a stronger control archetype than using those.
The secret synergy card doesn't see play because secrets suck so there's no real archetype (trust me, I tried...).
Also, it's very relevant, what time cards come out in terms of power creep.
If you asked me about rottenous drake being in the power of this meta I would say not strong enough, but it coming out like 6 years back I'd say frecking OP.
Again, love the content keep it up!
Rarran finally found someone as charismatic as himself. Should do more content with him. Your channel is great. Keep up the good work. Cheers from Brazil.
Not gonna lie, I had an involunatary shudder when Hysteria showed up on the screen
Ignideus was an amazing guest. Great episode. Also he was AMAZINGLY good at having the intuition about this.
It's pretty impressive he can remember very well what the game of Hearthstone plays like even though he's been so involved in Shadowverse so heavily for so long now.
I feel like you tend to dismiss some cards a bit that are not in the top tier meta decks, but not to their own fault.
Take Rokara for example. Yes, Enrage Warrior is not the best deck at the moment, but Rokara is a staple in that deck. So "I haven't seen her played since FitB" gives a strange impression of the card, especially when you tell the guests they can evaluate the cards in a vacuum. If I read the stats correctly, Rokara is in 1.5% of all decks at the moment, which should be around half of all Warrior decks (including control decks where she obviously doesn't fit in). That's pretty good, the class just sucks overall.
Rokara is amazing in the current Duels meta.
thats what i thought aswell its the decks fault that the card doesnt see play not the cards one. While in other cards he says they are good because the deck the card is played in was meta. Both warrior cards arent necessarily bad they just are in a bad class. I am pretty sure that a similar card to these 2 in Warlock or shaman would be a tier s card.
Also, she was the driving force behind barrrens rush warrior, which was a legit deck
Exactly. Same with Chatty Bartender. I played a ton of Secret Mage early in expansion and this card single-handedly saved me games against Imp Warlock and other wide board decks. The trick is not in having Ice block, but playing a secret you know they won't open, e.g. Oasis Ally if you have no minions on turn 3, Ice Barrier if they don't, etc. Obviously Sec Mage is not meta in standard right now, but that does not mean the card is bad. In Wild SM has about 60% winrate, guess which card is hard carrying against aggro.
Problem would be somewhat solved looking at kept/drawn winrate compared to average and playrate, even if the class is bad.
Your last Shadowverse video actually got me back into the game, love to see that even in Rotation, people still usually die by turn 8 (or earlier) :')
it's going to be a while until cygames get to make another over turn 10+ meta like with sanctuary haven meta, bcos pretty much everyone hated that meta
this guy is so wholesome i love him
Love these tries to guess videos (Mostly the other people guess HS cards, but the others are fun too)
grats on 100k subs. definitely deserved
It's really fascinating seeing how much all these different card games borrow from each other and what each one values over the others.
"You can judge these in a vacuum"
First two cards are "there are better options" and "the true power of this card is with the location"
Also for Mad Duke, I feel like the fact that you learn three of your opponents cards is also a huge part of its value
Then why wasnt Madam lazul cracked? She gave you the same info
@@AIpuchino I said "a part of its value". Theotar is better because you can TAKE one of their cards, yes, but being able to see what they have is still a very strong effect that lets you play around possible counters
@@ShadowmancerLord My point is that the information really isn't much of the value
@@AIpuchino If you think it isn't, then I suggest you spend a few more months playing the game at a level above Silver.
@@ShadowmancerLord I'd suggest not resorting to insults unless you want to sound like a 13 year old
Fantastic guest, would love to see him on more often.
Loved Ignideus’ enthusiasm on this one :)
Ignideus is so charismatic and fun, great guest!
I loved Ignideus, his energy was so positive
I don't really play Hearthstone anymore but whenever I see talk about Theotar, the Mad Duke I can't help but think - "You can see 3 cards in your opponent's hand". That effect alone seems quite good - maybe not good enough on a 4 mana 3/3 but not bad either. Of course you can see the enemy's class and what they've played for the first 3 turns so you know what cards to expect in their deck but having the info on what they already have in hand seems quite good on its own. The fact that you can also take one by sacrificing one of your own cards that will probably not synergize with the enemy's deck at all and you get to pick both the card you're taking as well as the one you're giving just seems like too much to me.
Theotar is straight up game ending sometimes, if he takes a valuable combo piece from you it’s game over, definitely toxic but he is needed unfortunately
In a card game vacuum, that makes a lot of sense… but Hearthstone has the problem that Rarran keeps highlighting (the main reason Theotar is so good)… a serious lack of interaction, combined with a fair few decks that rely on key cards to kill you from hand.
Seeing cards in hand may be nice, but it’s honestly pretty rare that you’ll be able to see a problem card, and then have the capacity to play around it. Not to mention that you’re seeing them through Theotar, so you’ll likely want to just swap it out rather than hatch a plan to play around it.
The best nerf for this card to be a little worse. Is to change that first you choose card from your hand THAN opponent. It will make you pick cards to your opponent a lot harder.
Theotar really isn’t that good. Yes he ends the game if he hits your Denatharius or something but he is entirely dead in a bunch of match ups. He’s just a high variance card that doesn’t feel good to play against, like a whole bunch of other cards in the past. I’m thinking stuff like Tickatus, that had an extremely low played win rate
@@mkr4646 it gives you to know 3 cards of your opponent hand and you can even steal one for one from you hand, it's more OP than you think. You have allot of info and semi free card.
I like this guy, he's so happy and enjoys when he wins :) very nice video
Would love to see you do another video with Igni soon. Both Games are currently on a new expansion with mostly settled metas so now is the perfect time to do it.
Love this cross-game series!!
I just want to say Ignideus' dramatic reading of Hysteria was my favorite part, until it...dies! Great video guys!
That last Hearthstone card might just be one of the best cards in a card game in general to be fair.
YuGiOh - Choose 3 random cards from both players hands, and then reveal them and choose a card from each to swap
Absolutely broken. You get to see the Archetype your opponent is running, see 2 pieces of utility or cards they have, disrupt combos and take a piece of a win condition, while also potentially giving them a brick. Insane.
Runeterra - Would be pretty similar to Hearthstone but with the added benefit of being able to take a CHAMPION away from someone, or literally straight up steal a win condition. You could even pair it with something from Ivonia to bounce a problem card back to hand and then play this and steal the problem card (if you get a little lucky). You could also use this with cards that would benefit you to have your opponent play.
Shadowverse - Same thing, except you could also steal something that is an essential Evolution piece for their deck, and give them a dud.
I know it sounds like exaggeration but that card is actually legit broken. I think the only card game it can actually work in IS Hearthstone because even if it is “broken” it’s not game-breaking.
By the way, I am a lurker, but I do love the vids. Thank you for the content, I do enjoy it, even if it’s silently.
This is not a crossover I expected, but it's good to see Igni here.
Dude I used to play Shadowverse and now I wanna play it again. The nostalgia 😭
Rarran, those winks to the camera are killing me, you look too fantastic
These X players tries to guess how good HS cards are, are so fun to watch.
I'm so happy that igni is back.
Omg the crossover I didn't know I needed lmaooo
Big daddy Rarran brings da content!
Highlander Dragon Hunter was the deck I finally got legend with a couple years ago!!
I’d love to see more Shadowverse content crossovers since the games are kinda similar
Plus I just feel there's not enough good Shadowverse content on CZcams really. Especially not compared to other ccgs.
@@Noobie2k7 I think the anime kind of style does the game a disservice. People take one glance at it and think "what is this loli shit?"
@@zaer-ezart i won't lie , that's the reason why i don't give it a shoot already XD
@@zaer-ezart if the aesthetic is just loli card game what is the appeal
@@sheildingepicness the actual mechanics and gameplay of the game. . . In my opinion it's probably one of the best ccg's out there from a gameplay design standpoint. Plus it usually maintains one of the most balanced meta's since they usually do very regular balance patches. Though seems they've been slipping on that a bit lately and showing perhaps a little too much favouritism towards certain decks.
It's also currently a great time to get into it I'd you haven't already as there are more budget meta decks around right now than ever before and because of the very long and rewarding single player campaign and other content you get enough free packs to really play F2P.
Chatty Bartender is a good card, just all the secrets are bad if Mage had good secrets this card would be run.
Yeah, it's one of the best cards in Wild Secret Mage (which admittedly isn't a great deck atm, but playable)
Glad to see Igni here again
That lost recording seems like pure gold
The gardener would be a lot better if it had a single keyword. Most notably rush. If it could hit the board, refresh crystals equal to the highest spell in your hand and then immediately ram itself into something, it would probably see play.
Yes! Shadowverse!
Oh it was so fun to play flick against that clown that summoned full board of itselve
This guy’s laugh is infectious
@Rarran The card you might have been thinking of which made flik a very important card was scion of ruin the card that if you invoked twice in warrior it summoned 2 copies the other important one was faceless corrupter
This is my favorite series
Its wild that Theotar got nerfed *twice* after this video and was so good it still saw play.
13:30 rokara is killing everybody in duels right now
More shadowverse content please!
I'm just amazed you could find a shadowverse player
You should do a DYKH with special interaction voicelines from minions/heros
Just imagine how much we lost because of Rarran's cat!
I think it would be cool to see you guys play each other in your respective games since they're the most similar out of all the guests you have on, but for this series I think you should try to hit up DifferentFight to do a Cardfight Vanguard episode
Chatty Bartender is pretty nice in wild secret mage. Is great against totem shaman and pirate rouge
Something that may be fun:when someone makes a huge mistake pull a sign saying yikes!!!
I'll fight for Chatty Bartender here - Secret Mage might not have enough data on it, but I can say that when I've run the decks, Bartender's been pretty darn good. I'll also go to bat for Enrage Warrior, they have Acolyte of Pain for real consistent draw - Kibler's been absolutely rolling people with it too.
Let's gooooooooooooooooo more igni
I got jumpscared from thumbnail thinking mori snuck into my sub box to say japanesus
Chatty Bartender is better then you might think, especially with the prejury secret. The key is fishing for secrets from other classes.
I don't know anything about ignideus but he gives incredibly wholesome vibes
Chatty Bartender is very good, that's evident from its performance in Wild Secret Mage. There is just not enough synergy in Standard, but as stated in the beginning these cards should be evaluated in a vacuum.
They do address its synergy with Ice Block; its not just a question of synergy, but that Ice Block in particular offers you a secret that you know can't be activated for several turns. Absent a return of Ice Block, its unlikely that you'll see another secret that your opponent can never activate in the early game even if they want to. Those kind of conditions are pretty rare.
IB removes the fail case of having your secret triggered on turn 3 before you can play this; it also allows them to activate your secret after this is played and turn this into a 4 mana deal 2 to all enemies once, which is a fine card but not a particularly broken one. IB is what turns this into "Deal 2 to all enemies after each turn" and makes it into a board domination monster.
Flik Skishiv could also remove parrots from your own deck... I loved that card... ONE STAB! MANY KILL!
Almost none of these can be evaluated in a vacuum lol
how does Flick Skyshiv work with Weasel Tunneler? does it kill it, then the weasels get shuffled, or does it shuffle them and then destroy them?
My assumption would be the former. Because the destruction effect happens, then the deathrattle triggers after the fact.
What’re your thoughts, for experienced card game players. You let them shuffle through the usable cards. Especially for the newer cards, let them shuffle through what cards are available.
Rarran, the greenthumb saw a ton of play when dropped in voyage because with guff you just straight up gained crystals off miracle growth and scales and such. Just doesn't see play *anymore* because druid swapped from big spells TO pay that off, to low nature spells for topes. Just a meta shift, I'm convinced if druid swapped back to big spells she'd come back. Just need like 1 cenarion ward type
Rarran: Yeah this card is not good, doesn’t see play
Me: I literally win games on that card lol
Tbf @ 7:56 Chatty Bartender does get a lot of play in wild secret mage as far as I know, unless it’s been cut recently
Easy Lothar buff to make him playable, “attack two random minions at the end of your turn, if they die gain +2/+2” or keep +3/+3 even
Wild Secret Mage won't cut the Bartender for a long time, it's one of the best (if not the actual best) cards in the deck
RARRAN'S CAT LIKES TO UNPLUG HIS COMPUTER
Hello Rarran, you will ever try Gwent? Or make a conection with someone from that card game(to "guess how good" series)
Was Flik Skyshiv ever used to kill your own Brann to stop that otk or did that not match up rotation or meta wise?
Cause thats all I could think about.
Of all the guests and card games he did this with, these are the closest mechanically.
All I want to say is... I play Green-thumb gardener in hearthstone 2023. And it got me to legend.
Funny thing about Rattlegore is that I'm pretty sure EVERYONE thought he was gonna be too slow and terrible. (albeit still seeming really cool and unique)
To everyone's surprise, Rattlegore knew to be extremely nutty.
Yeah, 9 mana 9/9 isn't usually something to write home about, but when majority of classes can't deal with it? That changes things. Plus, while 9 mana 9/9 could still feel bad vs heavy aggro, there are still some turns in the late game when you genuinely have a spot to play him. Maybe the enemy took a turn to draw, or set up for something next turn, or just play one big minion. Thus throwing Rattlegore into the mix just makes everyone, except Priest, go like "OH FFS", while Priest would usually just go like "Oh no...anyway."
Also, while Demon Hunter did have that 1 mana Silence spell, and also that one Silence Rush minion that no one really played, it usually didn't do much, since Demon Hunter had HUGE difficulties dealing with just any big minion. So even a silenced Rattlegore was still a 9/9 they had no ways of dealing with. (now they have it easier vs it, but it's still a pain in the ass)
Should have made the thumbnail to be Rowen smiling meme face (Since ignideus is dragoncraft main)
Hysteria seems insane
hysteria was nerfed not just because it was very good but because there was an unstoppable infinite damage combo that could be done very early
god hysteria was such a traumatic card back when the hysteria wretched tiller otk strat was being used
Could you please explain how good these cards are in duels. A lot of cards that are trash in main are AMAZING in duels (one great eg is cards that require no dupes in deck, as you can only have 1 in deck unless you obtain dupes from buckets :) )
I will say this, "I will say this", I will say this.
You should definitely ask DifferentFight for what Cardfight Vanguard players think of HS cards!
Flik was in when mages played 7 8/8 golems, bye bye golems :D
"These cards can be evaluated in a vacuum"
first card refers to the cost of your other cards
Getting theotar to steal my sire is happening way too often
haha this guy is the best
This dude has the charisma of 4 people.
Flik was insane tempo since sometimes you just hit multiple minions on board and even at its WORST it is slightly worse Vilespine Slayer.
The real POGGERS play though in Galakrond Rogue was hitting this or DQA off Galakrond's battlecry and Flik-ing your own DQA to potentially auto win the game by destroying your opponent's copy in their deck/hand.
Shadowverse player AYAYA
What if for a video or a couple you had say yourself, a Yu-Gi-Oh player and a Magic player all in the same call where one video is guessing Yu-Gi-Oh cards and you and the Magic player can discuss and choose whether they are good or bad and the other video is you do that with the Yu-Gi-Oh player and magic player and lastly the Magic player does that to you and the Yu-Gi-Oh player. I feel you could get a good amount of content out of it and have the ability to hear discussions with two players that may not play the game very much or at all and get an idea of the thought process each are having in the moment. Either way I really enjoy this series and if my idea doesn't work for one reason or another I at least wanted to give that idea. Have a great day.
Old combo Druid actually was meta to not run early game minions [you could get away with running all 5+ cost minions I think] of course now it’s not anywhere near as good in modern matches but it WAS a thing
Juicy Psychmelon enters the chat
The Naga works well in druid token decks. Bran into it let's you play Sire. It's a poor man kael.
Man i just miss seeing these videos with Snuuy. I don't play Runeterra and had never heard of him before seeing that first vid with him but now it's like all these other videos where you guess other games' cards with a content creator just aren't as good. lol. that sounds so lame but i don't know how else to say it. there's something about Snuuy and the way you two interacted...idk...it feels like that was the height of your "guess how good this other game is" videos. i'm prolly talkin out my ass tho. Still love these types of videos dont get me wrong, in fact these are really the only videos i watch anymore in all of HS, just kinda burnt with the game rn.