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10 Things I Hate About Singapore - Living in Singapore as a Foreigner
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
- After living in Singapore for a little over a year, I decided to share what I do not like about this country. If you are wondering how it's like living in Singapore as a foreigner, watch this video. I am sorry if I offend anyone, but this is my true feelings. Especially that bird. Why cry from 5am? Can you please be more considerate?
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Riding the mrt does that to someone. Bring the crowbar along with you next time.
You can take videos inside? I want to go one of these days
This is not violent at all. It is violent if you are in jail by now. haha
I don't think you are a violent person AT ALL !!! 😂😂😂 in this vid, your face expressions and speech are all wrong to be classified as a violence video!!! Hahahahaha....
大丈夫です。。。
As a singaporean, I don't feel offended at all by all the things that you hate. Especially the part where people rushes into the train really pisses me off too. The ones I find most guilty are the older people especially. And when I'm queuing up beside the door ready to get in, some fellow from behind just rushes past me without queuing and goes in. wow that really annoys the hell out of me. Also, I too, occasionally get mad at how terrible some of the cashiers and service staff are - totally acting as if I owe them something
The InvisibleGaijin that’s what cultural difference is I guess
From SG too and I totally agree with you. Things like that can just ruin your day sometimes. Is 'excuse me' or 'I'm sorry' that hard to say?!?!
What pisses me off is people having their faces stuck to their mobiles while taking their sweet time walking from point A and point B and also when getting off the trains.
these are the same 2 things (from Ghib's list) that annoy me the most! For customer service, what I dislike the most is when a customer says thank you n the staff just remains silent. Another reaction that I dislike to a less extent is when they reply "welcome". Yes, the usual appropriate response to a "thank you" is "welcome" but in customer service *you* should be the one thanking the customer!
I had the same thought about that and not just MRT bus too 😞
LOL... that bird is the Asian Koel, it's a cuckoo bird that parasitises the many crows in Singapore. That's why it's ubiquitous here. I think most Singaporeans share your sentiment that it's mating call is one of the most annoying things to hear in the morning.
Yah as early as 3am. =_=
Hearing it call when you are jogging at 5am can be a bit intimidating...
On the other side of the coin, its call is so iconic that overseas Singaporeans (like myself) are nostalgic for it haha
Today I learnt the name of that annoying bird 😂
It’s the Koel? Quite nice sounds actualky
I laughed so hard when you call that bird “that Singapore bird” as if it’s own national bird representing our country 😂😂😂😂
Are you telling me that's not pretty much the national bird
@@griffinbird3000 LOL don't forget the mynahs too 😂😂
I dono but I love that sound of that bird, uniquely singapore ..
I like how you censored the bird's identity
I also reckon that many Singaporeans do not know the bird's real name,because,neither do I.
i hate it with all my being.
That bird enter my house without my permission 😬
@@reapanomin899 it called asian koel
@@keefyboi5307 wow breaking in entry
Japanese man smashes bottles while ranting about local annoyances.
This is the kind of Singapore-related content we need more of lmao
Hi Ghib, as a local i don't feel offended by ur negative views of this country as i do agree with 80% of it. Btw u r too gentle on those items ,u really need to bash it up to pieces and scream on top of ur lungs. Cheers!
It's not just you, us Singaporeans relate to your points
This video is not even offensive it’s just hilarious HAHAHAHA 😂
HAHAHAHA HE IS SO SOCIALLY AWKWARD BUT IN A CUTE WAY 😂
I’m Singaporean and I love this! Though I should add that I love the 5am bird. In fact when I was younger, the bird would be my natural alarm clock. School starts at 7.30 so I would need to get up around 5.30am to prepare for school. The bird’s call was timely in that sense. Nowadays, the birds don’t call as loudly. The small “forest” that used to be around my home were cut down to make way for more blocks of flats. I no longer hear these birds as often, so when I do, it makes me happy, and reminds me of my childhood.
You hit the nails on this one, as a Singaporean , those are the things that I hate too. I love my country, but sometimes I wish that people here could be more respectful, more friendly, more please and thank you. I would alway wait for ppl to alight from train n bus (even if they alight from front entrance) , press lift door open door people to get in, but most of the time I do not get any thank you, nor even a nob. And it irritates me when ppl start rushing into the train before I could get out n pushes me bk into the train. And the part about customer service too.. Haha..
And I know right, the food. The food, we have a love and hate relationship too... hahaha...
people won't be friendly, people will always bully each other get used to it, it's just singapore
U re too kind to be living in there, I barely heard ppl said thank-you or some basic manners thing, u should consider a immigration soon.
@@nothingwrong1050 I bet u will senpai 😍
TBH for me.......i just dont like the extreme Yps and Xmm here in SG but... They might be useful in the birth rate of SG 😎
Omg everything you said. I do that too 👌🏻 I try to be polite but idk how i seem to others. Another thing I absolutely hate is when people push/cut in front of me without excuse me. That is just so rude. I've even heard one middle aged man gesture for me to go in front. Also, many other sighs and tsk when you almost collide into someone because it's so fucking densely populated in Singapore🙄
所々、思いっきり壊していいのに優しいタッチでおわってるのあって笑
I laugh my arse off when you mentioned the bird... because they woke me up in the morning too!!! and they will keep doing it for days sometime weeks on the same freaking tree outside my window!!!
This is an interesting twist to a normal ghib ojisan video
It is amusing to see you smash things to vent your frustrations because those are the same frustrations shared by many Singaporeans! XD
just realized you censored the bird's eyes like it is some sort of criminal
PDPA
@@Jjjjjjccccc good one
*1 hour doing that voice lol!*
After he did that Koel call, the other Koel wanted to mate him. Threfore he quickly blocked the birds view.
ah ha! he finally got irritated by the bird!!
No one:
Ghib Ojisan: *imitates bird sounds*
Every Singaporean: BRO I KNOW RIGHT
Yes that morning bird is known as the Koel bird, really irritating especially when you've had difficulties falling to sleep :/
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
I was trying to figure out the bird you really helped made my day :D
I had this bird cooing near my neighbourhood at 4am in the morning jsjshdhdhdhs
People in Tekong would relate, alot.
I must be alone in liking that Koel Bird, haha.
Everything you hate I hate it too as a Singaporean not offended at all. Hawker centers toilet is only a place you visit if you are desperate if not avoid them lol! Great take as a foreigner on Singaporean's bad habits. Keep it up!
That true dun ever use unless really necessary...I’m puzzled it hasn’t improved over years
As a Singaporean I'm not offended, but I am disappointed by the lack of destruction in a place meant for destruction! Your pulling your punches Ghib! You're too nice! Com'on! That printer deserved it! It probably had over priced ink cartridges! Next time I wanna see you go raging fire hulk all over that place!
BTW thanks for making me laugh so much in this video. You're a class act ma man. Up for the subtitles too, it was funny though the spell check police would have gone nuts.
i died when u made the bird sound. It's so accurate
The customer service part is true as hell.
Still better than hong kong though.
鳥の目消してあるの草🐦
一応 肖像権守っておきました!
Hi Ghib! Singaporean here and I do agree with most of the points you've shared, just that in regards to points of 'not waiting for others to alight before boarding the trains' as well as 'dirty hawker toilets', I believe there's actually a pretty interesting rationale behind why it's so.
I hope I don't come off as discriminatory neither am I justifying their actions, but most of the people guilty of not waiting for their turns to board the trains, and those who leave toilets dirty seem to be aunties and uncle's way over 60 years of age. As far as these actions shouldn't be applauded, I strongly believe there's also a socio-economical factor as to why it's so.
Just a quick search on CZcams about 'Singapore in the 70's' and 'Japan in the 70's', you'd see that the difference in these 2 counties are pretty stark. 70's Japan is already pretty modernised but the 70's of Singapore looks pretty under-developed, even for regional standards.
So with that in mind it's important to note that many of these seemingly unruly aunties and uncles grew up and spent most of their adult lives in a Singapore that's vastly different from the one today. In other words unlike Japan, the elderly population of Singapore spent most of their lives in an under-developed country.
Their habits mannerism actually depict that of Singapore in a very different time, and that stark contrast with the more socially-conscious younger Singaporeans today actually reflect how fast-moving Singapore's development had been in the past half-century.
That also explains why spaces in Singapore that are frequent by elderly, places such as Chinatown, old neighbourhood parks, coffeeshops and etc are dirtier than most other parts of the city.
Anyways I hope I don't sound like I'm making excuses for their bad behaviour or that I'm marginalising them. Though admittedly, these behaviour does annoy me sometimes, understanding the historic context behind their socio-economic circumstances actuallys helps me to stay a little more empathetic to their seemingly anti-social behaviour. ☺️☺️
ほとんど共感できるけど、サービスだけはこっちのスタイルのほうが気を使わないから好きです。逆に日本のサービスが過剰かなって帰国するたびに感じます。
Try not to visit toilet in hawker centre and coffee shop... its disgusting..
Toilets at the MRT stations too!! 😥😖😨😱
just go home use the toilet lah...
Clarke Quay Central mall too. I saw the most disgusting things I've ever seen in my life in those toilets. #SODISGUSTING!~!!
I remember visiting this one screwed up toilet in a hawker centre which you had to pay 30 cents to enter but had its toilet paper and holders removed.
They seriously expect you to wipe your ass with $1 tissue paper meant for wiping your face
Wait a minute, I thought Singapore is a very clean city. Considering the hype of how clean it it
I like this! it's new, and it's really relatable :) I think trying new and unique things to do in Singapore is not a bad idea. After all, you wanted to share places that tourists don't usually go to? And yes, THAT BIRD UGH
The escalator issue, if at mrt, it is because they are doing refurbishment, which in term will be better in the near future.
What I personally hate is that people who stand near to the lift/elevator button but don't help to press the open button to help and allow people such as elderly to enter the lift at their own pace. Just today, I had to help press since the person decided not to help, why stand at the button area when you don't want to help? 🤷♂️
I think for recent ones they may become more cautious because of the virus also
@@shinkuevangeline hmm probably. But i understand if people were scared. 1 simple thing the person can do, simply move to the back and let someone else help press the buttons instead. 👍
One of the escalators at Yishun MRT station opposite NTUC has been under repair for more than half a year. Still not working. People are walking down the stairs w/several bags from supermarket, on high heels, or old folks hobbling down the long flight of stairs. Many shopping malls and office commercial buildings too - escalators are frequently under repair at lunch hrs or at the time when people knock off work had to walk down flights of stairs to get to train station. No wonder chiropractors are setting up shops all over Singapore.
I am the opposite of you. I can't stand people who don't press the close button lol. So in a busy mall, at each level, everyone stands like an idiot waiting for the door to close, unnecessarily prolonging a simple lift ride. Which is why it takes so long to use the lifts. Those standing at the buttons just needs to play a small part to make life better for everyone, but no, the phone is more interesting.
I love that you were so polite through the video
Even when complaining. 🤣🤣🤣
Singaporeans have to follow that lead Bro
壊したり乱暴したりし慣れてない感や鳥にまで目線いれての気遣い好感度アゲww そして関西弁ゲキうまになってる👍
This is your best video yet. It’s hilarious!
The morning bird and escalator one is so relatable 🤣. Also since I went to Japan last year there’s a few things that I noticed that Japan does better. One of them is the Drivers in Japan are much more respectful towards other motorists and people, like they will use their turn signals every time and stop at the pedestrian crossing all the time where in SG, there are times where cars don’t stop at the ped crossings and don’t use their turn signals all the time.
僕も日本のご飯が美味しすぎるところが嫌いですww
the escalator stuff... especially in mrt stations, they are doing more maintenance than regular malls. the problem is because the mrt stations have very heavy human traffic and most people prefer to stand on the left side of the escalator, it causes the steps to sink down to the left side due to the weight of the people, hence maintenance is needed more regularly in order to prevent escalator malfunction and we all know how dangerous an escalator malfunction can be. so be glad, when you see escalators are regularly being maintained at the stations you frequent.
You're supposed to stand on the left side of the escalator
Not that we prefer to stand on the left but it’s advised to stand on the left so that people can walk up/down on the right.
But Tokyo has a similar culture of standing on the left side, and climbing on the right. Somehow they dont have such "regular maintenance"...
@@Lee-mk4kx The quality of the escalators in singapore is probably worse. Lmao.
@@wy9317 yes, it doesnt matter which side people are advised to stand, it's the culture of needing to leave 1 side of the escalator to be empty so people who want to move faster can do so. but because we have significantly more people who prefer to stand that causes the imbalance on the steps. you cannot force people to all be standing on the escalator or all to be climbing the steps, so the next best thing is to make sure the escalators are well maintained to prevent malfunctions.
Ghib: I find lizard cute..
Me: awwww
Ghib: but I hate it...
Me: LOL.
Cockroach:. .......
Flying cockroach:
Shit
u just smashed corona with your bat!!
Smashed... corona... with a BAT. Ahh delicious irony
You are absolutely right. Singaporean have a lot more to learn, in term of manners, tolerance, cleanliness, etc...
Japan has public toilets located in stations whereas here we have to exit
So the latter is better as it doesnt limit usage to just who are in the station itself. Those arnd the area can use the toilet. Plus tapping in and spending time in the toilet incur charges.
The only reason I can think of that design,is so that the LTA can usurp a little more money from your EZLink card.
Yr videos are getting more creative and the contents more interesting. Loving your works. Keep it coming.
ジブおじ「うおおおおおお!!!!」
ぼく(おっ、勢いあるな)
ジブおじ ポコポコ
草
Love your videos! ❤ No not offended as a Singaporean at all. We all ❤ you! ☺️
LOL what an intro, "THAT STUPID BIRD" and i like how you censor the eye of the bird to hide it's identity HAHAHA
Rushing into train is the typical auntie and uncle in Singapore that are kiasu and wants the seat
0:17 うるさい鳥
0:58 うざいシンガポール人(仕事編)
1:45 うざいシンガポール人(公共交通機関編)
2:33 隣国からくる大気汚染
3:17 高い家賃 5:04 あとアルコール飲料も高い
5:28 汚い公衆トイレ
6:54 どっからか出てくる蟻
8:05 店員のゴミ接客
9:27 フル稼動しないエスカレーター
9:47 飯ウマで太る
0:17 noisy bird
0:58 annoying Singaporeans (working with them)
1:45 annoying Singaporeans (public transport)
2:33 air pollution from neighbors
3:17 expensive rent 5:04 expensive alcohol
5:28 dirty public toilet
6:54 ants coming from nowhere
8:05 shit customer service
9:27 escalators not fully functioning
9:47 gaining weight cuz food is too good
nowadays covid no have pushing and rushing to get seat in mrt will definitely miss this
Everything you mentioned is legit. Being a Singaporean, I hate all these too. I don't think there was a week I will be able to take the mrt train without swearing under my breath. Yes, why do people have to rush in especially before passengers alight? Many times I thought I was invisible as people were almost trying to walk through me.
I loved this, thank you for speaking up for us Singaporeans !
So cute... the Singapore bird. It started making noise in Jurong area near 7am for a period of time.
I like that Koel bird sound. It used to be in lonely places but because of a lot more urbanisation, the birds began to live in trees around HDB flats.
I don't like lizards and cockroaches in my house though. I always have to cover my food and any food rubbish to prevent any lizards from getting near. Another tip, close the windows at dusk time to prevent lizards from getting into the house.
The bird that you mention sounds friendly and pleasant :) UWUWUWUWUW 🐦
For my area, the bird will do its daily routine and scream around 5-6am AHHHHHHHH~AHHHHHHH 😟
You are localized when you can sleep through that morning bird. Some places it is an evening bird. Usually it is 5 am or 5 pm. The extreme is when your window is next to the tree their whole family of birds live.
There are definitely cheaper rental rates depending on location! There isn’t a super huge jump in price from a studio flat to a bigger unit actually. With 5-7k monthly rental, a family of 4 can stay in a posh, fully furnished condo unit near town.
This bird disturbs us too hahahahahas. You're truly part of us now! hahahahahahs
20 seconds in and im already laughing my ass off.. wooOooo WooOoo... i feel you bruh!
That rushing into the train before people can leave I too experience it in Japan. There was once I was on a plant attachment for 6 months at Kadoma and I was taking the train to National station to work. Everytime at my stop I would look out to see if there is any old folks. They would just rush in before we could exit and after a week or so I notice other passengers would stand aside when they reach that station.
Only more than a year here and you have done a lot and know a lot in this space of time. A likable young man. Go man go
There was once in my office, my colleague adjusted the air con temperature to 22 degrees. I like to wear casual in the office so I was freezing. I adjusted it back to a reasonable 25. she was pissed and announced to the office that somebody touched the aircon and she is hot and she is taking off her jacket (which is like a thick one). you dont need a winter jacket in Singapore!
Forgive her if she's hot
In service sector a lot of foreigners workers.There are 300/000 malaysians and other foreigners too.
hahaha spot on dude. I came back to Singapore about 2 years ago. My wife started to notice some lateral changes too.
Japan probably has the best customer service in the world. Japan is also one of the cleanest countries in the world. Singapore is very good for Asian standard (excluding Japan) and Japan is world-class. I hope I can visit Japan, South Korea and Taiwan someday. I've been to Singapore.
Houses here in Singapore are expensive as hell.with 850k,u could get a two story bungalow in US but in Singapore,u could only get a 3,4 rooms hdb flat(public housing flats)
A 2-bedroom condo apt near Somerset was $1500.. in 2006. You can't get prices like that in town anymore.
Try being in the Scandinavian countries during the summer.. The birds start chirping at 4 and customer service is virtually non-existent.
glad you have that bird once a week. i have it every single day around 6 to 6:30 am. it's like an alarm clock that I can't switch off!
I'm a Singaporean and I agree with most of your points.
We love you too! Good to have people like you in our country. Take care!
6:55
Speaking of ants, have you seen the Giant Forest Ants (Dinomyrmex gigas) in Bukit Timah Nature Reserve or Central Catchment Nature Reserve?
One of the largest species of ant in the world ! :D
(They're also found elsewhere in South East Asia, but in Singapore they're relatively convenient to find since our primary forest, i.e. natural habitat of Giant Forest Ants, is right in the centre of the city state)
Hey I share the same sentiments. You are absolutely right!!! I like your enactment. Do more pls.
I actually love the sound it is relaxing the birds sound mostly early in the morning 😂
LOL THE WAY HE CENSORED THE BIRD S EYES
all of these are really relatable! don’t worry about it, the bird made me laugh 🤣 wakes me up too
2 years late but very very cool, funny, enjoyable and most importantly, informative but sure, tip of the iceberg since it is such a complex topic whether Singapore, Japan, USA, Europe or China. Tks !
Haha for the aircon war thing, I once read somewhere that Japanese people are more eco-friendly and hence they are accustomed to setting their aircons in homes and offices at a higher temperature (even in summer). Therefore, it could be possible that you are more used to a temperature that is less cool (compared to us Singaporeans who tend to complain about the heat and lower the temperature to 24°C or even lower 😅).
Hahahaha i had a blast (literally) watching you smash stuff! XD Very strong Agguretsuko vibes here XD Dare i say this is my favourite video yet? That exploding glass caught on cam is so therapeutic XD Other than the koel bird, the cicadas can get really noisy too. Hehe. That room looks awesome!
Yeah man, let it all out. Agree with you but this is home. To be fair, there are loads of foreigners living here so culprits of some of the bad behaviours may be anyone.
Rental of Singapore HDB flats will not exceed SGD $3000 dollars.
Please take note.
The highest I have seen for renting a 5 room flat was about $2800 a month.
Enjoying the editing style in your recent videos, keep it up! :D
Watching Ghib acting violent is so cute. Like a little kid pretending to be an adult 😊
This is place is the for people to release their stress or anger. Basically is to calm yourself down.
I totally agree with you. I am 100% Singaporean Chinese bored and grown up in SG for 40yrs old and yes I do love SG. It not perfect but my home, my country. I am just glad u love SG too.
I’m a singaporean and trust me. The ants and lizards are annoying. Ants are in my room, my table and even the dining table. The people not waiting for those to exit the train are also annoying. Every time they say, “For quicker boarding and alighting, please wait for people to exit the train first, thank you.” They even put the picture saying to “Please give way” with a picture of passengers waiting for people to exit the train first. They still do this, annoying they can also push you down or something else. The bird also. Every time i walk to work in 6am i keep hearing that black bird named the “Koel Bird”, it keeps going like tweet or some random cry or something. You may sometimes hear us say like for example:”Simi si?” That thing means “What is?” Its called Singlish. Its very hard. If you want lessons, just find it here on CZcams.
Quite understandable Ghib, these are gripes which most Singaporeans like me hate too... esp the public toilets and that Asian Koel ( apparently they only just arrived in Singapore in the late 1980s ).
Hi I'm a Singaporean and here are some stuff you might find it helpful :
1. The train, people doesn't rush into train only till when the beep sound comes they start running into the train as if it's avengers or world end.
2. Toilet is never clean, it's only clean in airport or or some city area shopping malls, that's why it's a scam or lie. They just want to give tourist a good image of Singapore.
3. Rent or buying house is expensive as country is small. For Singaporean buying house is almost impossible and you have to even pay by loan or use CPF(another type of money that you work deposit into the account when you work and can only be use to pay for house, medical) sometime also need to pay using loan cause not enough as it's too expensive.
4. Some places doesn't have the customer service that you expect from Japan and even if it does it's no where close Japanese type of customer service. They have the thinking it's not Japan and they don't owe anyone a living and also not a slave.
5. I think I got used to it without thinking about that bird HAHA but it's funny when you talk about it
This is also why i love Japan so much, everyone is so polite there.
A quick tip for the ants, get the snake powder from Thailand, the cooling one. It contains an ingredient that ants detest and run away from. I used in in my OBS (it’s like a camp) and it kept the ants away from our tents and food !
about that bird, its called a Koel. whats interesting about it is that it finds the nest of a crow, and lays an egg. the hatchling will kick the crow's egg off the nest and let the crows feed it as if it were their young. thus indirectly controlling the population of crows here
Very funny video. What you said is true and spot on for most of your observations.
I am surprised you didn't mention about smoking in the neighbourhood coffee shops. The smoking and non-smoking areas are just next to each other and for the non-smokers, they have to breath in the smoke while having their meals. So i assume that doesn't irritates you.
As a born Singaporean now living in Canada, I agree with almost all the points you mentioned! I visited Japan and love the social etiquette and ultra-politeness and consideration for others. There is no perfect country (Canada included). I miss and visit Singapore almost every year and plan to visit Japan again.
The koel (the 'Singapore bird') is an Australian immigrant that settled here about 30 years ago.
もう最高すぎますww
たまにはこういう動画も良いですね〜😂
The part where people rushes into the train, I don't experience much. the only time that happened is because i took my own sweet time getting out the train. so i guess it works both ways, if u want to be inconsiderate taking your time than don't expect people to wait on you especially during rush hour.when the door open be the first one to rush out, guarantee u have a better experience.
these are all perfectly valid points and it was expressed beautifully!
Haha, it is not offensive if it's totally relatable. It's refreshing to see a foreigner suffering from these as well, thanks for the video!
REgarding MRTs.... Here is a tip. Pple are extremely impatient. So, I always get to the door before the train arrives at the station. Pple will queue at the sides but don't tend to wait for everyone to get out. But this has a benefit. It reduces time the train has to wait at the station. If you wait for everyone to alight before boarding, it will take longer waiting time for every station..... Btw, over 40% of the population are foreigners....So....
best video so far. also i see you have a camera guy here. hello production values! keep keeping it real. love it.
For the alcohol together with tobacco, you know why it's expensive because of additional tax while bringing down the income tax, I'm sure Japan tax are even higher than in Singapore
Ghib san .. Happy that your English/Japanese subtitles stayed longer on the screen .. Thanks for noting my feedback .. Hope to improve my nihongo learning.
Love your skits! Why did you have to censor the bird's face though?
PDPA
Good vid as usual! I like how u rationalised the difference in service standards with the salary... usually ppl would just compare at the surface value that japanese service is always better and just point it to culture and upbringing
"One side of escalator always not working!"
*oh boi wait till you hear about my story*
A mall with dozens of escalators (probably like 12) always have like 3 of them working. And the working ones were the foodcourt to the mall. Thats it. But now they had a fire in the mall and everything basically changed. All escalators,elevators and wiring changed.
As a Singaporean I agree with most of the points that you said! That annoying bird was in my neighbourhood for a period of time. Customer service is generally bad except at higher-end establishments. And i was thinking you could go even more violent on those objects!