SARIS H3 Smart Trainer: Details // Unboxing // Ride Review
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Saris H3 Direct Drive Smart Trainer. Launched a few days before Eurobike 2019! This is an update to the H2, which was the update to the original Hammer launched in 2016. This video covers all the specs, unboxing, installation of a thru-axle bike, and a comprehensive data analysis of power and cadence from the unit.
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Unit Specifications:
- Direct Drive Interactive Smart Trainer (SIM / ERG Mode)
- Bike compatibility: Road/MTB/etc
- Axle: Quick Release 130/135. Thru-Axle 142/148 (Native)
- Freehub: Shimano/SRAM 8-11spd compatible (No cassette supplied).
- Supported connections ANT+, ANT+ FE-C, Bluetooth Smart FTMS.
- Power, Speed, Cadence*
- Power Accuracy Claims +/-2%. Spindown Calibration.
- Grade simulation: 20%
- Max wattage: 2000W
- Flywheel: 20lbs / 9kgs!
- Noise Level: It's quiet. Claimed 59dB at 20mph
- Power Source: Mains power. Provides progressive resistance with no power.
- Unit weight: 21.4kgs
- Firmware Upgrades via App.
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Bought a H2 last Winter and... 100% happy with it !
I love my H2. I think Cycleops/Saris has always been underrated. Great quality and great piece of kit. I did pay $1200 last autumn tho!! I am glad they dropped the price....i hope the others follow. More people riding and benefiting from indoor training the better for all of us. Thanks Lama for another brilliant review. You are our Guru!!!
I just pre-ordered one from Amazon after your review. Thank you for talking me out of making a mistake buying the R1. The H3 looks like the better deal.
Thanks Shane, great review! So much so this was the reason why I recently purchased the H3 myself (£850 from JE James Cycles) so thank you! I can confirm the cadence issue has been fixed via a firmware update. No lag or inaccurate data is transmitted which I am pleased about. Recent firmware updates since your review are below:
2019-12-18 - 31.062: Minor change to coast detection
2019-10-29 - 31.060: Improved cadence. Rolling resistance adjustment. Power calculation during coasting to match simulated resistance
The H3 is a fantastic piece of kit, absolutely no complaints from me.
On the wish list for Christmas! Thanks, Shane!
I can't wait for the deep dive technical review of the Lama Jr. 1.0.
Thanks Shane for your review which convinced me to purchase this trainer in early March in Europe, a few weeks later the price shot up by Euro 200. The covid-19 lockdown caused a run on smart trainers! I've been generally pretty pleased. At times it does emit some funny squeaking sounds. One small fault is that using an11 speed cassette, a long cage Ultegra derailleur jockey wheel axle will come up against the plastic case in the lowest gear. This transmits drivechain vibration to the trainer. Have used it on virtual Rouvy AR rides, at times very successfully, other times a disaster but that's a problem with Rouvy, still quite buggy. Works well in ERG mode using a Garmin 520 set on indoor trainer mode. Will try BigRing once my ANT dongle arrives.
1. Sprint power overshoots fixed
2. Cadence issues fixed for erg mode at least
Glad you like my Invaders Of Nine remix, works really well with the build :)
As always good review! Regards from Portugal 🇵🇹
I knew I should watch right to the end.
Here's hoping the lower price will spark a price war amongst all the smart trainer manufacturers.
+1 here
+2
I have an H2 and I've been very happy with it! In my experience the cadence on the H2 is the same.
Yep. I’ve tested firmware 59 with the H2 and encountered the same.
First! (total you on TR forum I'd do this lol) But seriously, I'm happy with my gen1 Hammer, I don't really feel I'm missing out, I gladly recommend the hammer series to anyone looking for something solid
Phil P I agree, good unit and great customer service. Don’t see a need to upgrade.
Thnx Shane. Great vid as usual. Your trust in the accuracy of Assiomas for baseline data is encouraging. I’m well & truely over Vector 3 pedals dropping out despite multiple battery cage swap outs
There's a TON of testing behind the scenes and other Lama Lab Tests with other known-good trainers that means they're my go-to pedals. If at any point the data shows otherwise, I'll move to something else, or replace them.
Yeah, reliability is just as important as accuracy in my mind. I’m only waiting until Eurobike next week to see if there are any upgrades of the Assiomas before tossing the Vectors in the bin
Well done Saris. Looks like they've listened. I've said on other threads that I'm a long-term fan, and my criticism has always been constructive. If they get the cadence sorted - hopefully firmware that'll may also help with the power fluctuations, then they're onto a winner, especially at this price point. Anyone want to buy a Kickr18? ;)
Your bike setup in Zwift is amazing. Panniers, Zipp Super 9 disc wheel lol!
Another great video. Wow? Saying goodbye to cycleops name
Love my H3 so far-20 days in.
Great video, as always. Disappointing to hear the new saris app is not ready for prime time yet. I really dislike using the rouvy a for my magnus
You should do a video about the best trainers for your money at different price points
Really interested if the internal cooling is spot on? I have the H2 and it will over heat on the radio tower climb and Alp d' Zwift. I use a blower fan for cooling on the side vent and the H2 works awesome.
Can I take a clip of the cassette install to show people how easy it is? ;-)
edit :- Finished watching the rest now, that looks to be amongst the best of the recent trainers for out of the box performance. My Neo1 is still running well for me but if I was in the market it would definitely be a contender.
8:49 is the same belt noise I’ve had issues with unfortunately still not resolved 😞
Hey Shane! Firstly, love the channel... Great content!!! Any word on a realease date in Aus for the H3?
Not sure. Ping Saris direct and they should have dates. Apollo were their importer a while back here.... not sure if they still are.
Finally a new Model. I had the H2 and with my MTB on it Non-Stop Problems with Overheating(H1 had some customers from me and they sold the trainer after some miles even with an update it was the overheating)
So i thought the H2 solved all the problems but before i'm starting to sell it in the Store i'll give it a try for myself......good thing i have done that.... I couldn't even climb at some point the Road-to-sky(Zwift) with having 3-4 stops and a dropping resistance. Support was even for a Shop Owner not great. Told me to try there own Program instead of Zwift for proper riding and blamed the overheating issues on the High Resistance from Zwift and my cadence up with the MTB. H2 definitely not made for riding with the MTB on it you need an Roadbike it seems like.
Looking forward to something new from Tacx :)
Overheating a problem for my H1 also. Replacement unit same problem. Sent it back and got a Neo. Prob solved.
Michael Young I had few problems on zwift, actually worse on rouvy. Longer climbs
@@collectivesartori Depends on how good the new H3 is, i will give it another try if not Tacx Neo. I'm pretty sure there is a new Neo coming too at some point. Smart Trainers these days seemed to be like the phone market - every year more tech in it!
stefan bott-michaelis if the h3 fixes the overheating issues then I reckon it will be brilliant. The h1 was an awesome trainer except for that one issue. Only problem was that overheating and losing all resistance halfway through a 1 hour climb is just a total dealbreaker.
Shane, I have the H3, with Garmin Dynamic Cycling feature do I need power meters on my bike (pedals) or the unit will allow me to synchronize it. If if the unit provide it (no power meter needed), how can i do it based that i was not able to see any number
Hello, Shane. I am looking to upgrade to a direct drive trainer for the first time. In the video and in some of the comments, you mention that it is a great trainer for erg mode. It has been a year since you did the video for a review. I do a lot of races and AHDR group rides. The question that I have is, does the trainer still feel bad in sim mode? Thank you for all the great videos and data that you supply us. Happy New Year!
I still prefer the Kickr over the Hammer trainers in SIM mode. Maybe not something that's distinguishable if you haven't ridden both.
if money wasn't an issue would you choose the 2018 wahoo kickr or saris h3 ???
"Haitch" 3?? :-) I want to see the internals!
Shane, I had the same issue with my thru axle on H2. My thru axle allows the handle to rotate freely when pulled out (I suspect yours acts the same to allow positioning the handle correctly when on a the bike). Using that freedom, I can use the handle almost like wrench and get things working. Not super convenient, but you'll get used to it.
No luck with this TA. It’s solid and doesn’t allow removal of the head thingy.
@@gplama ah, sorry to hear that. I agree that at this price point, then need to include a thru axle. They already have a kit for sale on their website but for $50+ sounds like a rip off.
Shane ,please can you tell me where you get a cassettes loader from 👍
What's this FTMS communications? I experience power dropouts with both ANT+ and Bluetooth, is FTMS any better?
How does this compare to the Elite Suito? Have you reviewed it? Suito is on sale for 525€ locally and I'm thinking of picking it up.
I’d hold out until we see more reviews. Mine is...... coming soon.
Hi, has firmware updates solved the overheat issue on h2 or just been a sticky plaster? Also would you go h2 or directo x? Same price at moment.
Best dive over to a CycleOps user group. I haven’t spent enough time on the H2 with the new firmware.
Great videos you make. Do you know anything about 12 speed compatibility? I cannot figure out how to use my 12 speed Shimano XT group set on my H3.
One for Saris Support. I'm not sure about their support for Micro Spline.
Hey Shane. Give me your number 1 choice for a direct drive/ smart trainer. Your vids are awesome but now it’s time to pull the trigger for me. What would you buy today?
Hi Shane
First, thanks for the great content you deliver.
1. I`d like to hear your recommendation on the Saris H3 and Kickr core. Which one would you suggest for the `heavy duty` user. That means both intense racing and structured training.
2. And an additional sub-question: Would you go for the kickr climb module or do you prefer sarises moving platform?
Regards and keep up the great work
1 - At this point in time, whatever is in stock. We expect all trainers to be sold out very soon. For me, I'd take the CORE over the H3. But there's not a lot in that race to be honest. The CORE is based on the previous Kickers (well proven) and now has accurate cadence. The H3 is still a great unit if that's what you go with. The cadence on the H3 is erratic in some SIM scenarios. The Hammers also get HOT and need active cooling if you're a watt monster.
2 - Both... or neither. I could go either way. I do like the Kickr BIKE for tilt though.
1. Shouldn`t the cadence problem beeing solved by mounting an ext. additional cadence sensor on the cranks?
@@Nico-jt8ll Sure, but that's a workaround for what should work as purchased. It'll also screw with using an AppleTV as you'll then have to use a bridge of some sort to get all the required devices/sensors working with that. (Power, Cadence, Control, HR).
So are the PowerTap P2 pedals no longer supported? Like the app wont let me create an account - which is what required to have dual sided power added to strava :/ Any help would be so awesome!
Try the SRAM AXS app. They now own PowerTap.
Thanks@@gplama, I don't believe you can create an activity in that app. - I did previously download the app and all I could do is detect them and do the 0 of set.. Are there any 3rd party apps you are aware of that can utilize both pedals for power for a ride? (besides zwift!)
Great name, SARS H1N1 it will do great in Asia :)
hmmmm.... how many cassettes does the Llama lab hold? Seems like a new one on each new trainer...
Any chance of an overview of the Saris MP1? Looks interesting but haven’t seen a detailed overview yet.
Overview: I've ridden the original prototype, and the new one a little. It's interesting. The side to side motion is similar to a rocker plate. The forward/back motion isn't the answer..... and the price is just insane. I doubt we'll see many of them out there in pain caves.
Sorry for daft question! To get over the cadence issue I can just use my ant+ cadence sensor fine with Zwift? Thanks Shane!
Valid question. Yes you can. Using another cadence sensor will be fine and give more accurate cadence (especially in SIM mode with those gradient changes).
Great, thanks for the info as always.
Perfect timing! I’ve been increasingly drawn towards the H2 trainer over the Wahoo units due to the number of reported issues (despite being a Wahoo fan boy). With the H3 being released I’m hoping for an even larger discount on the H2 come Black Friday :). Would you say this is a minimal up upgrade as per H1 to H2 and now H3? Also the H2 you called not 2018 standards in terms of noise yet only a 5db discrepancy to the reported figures of the H3. Was the noise really that much different?
It’s a LOT quieter. I don’t trust published noise specs.
Shane Miller - GPLama thanks for the quick response. I guess the sway will depend on discounts. I see the H3 is reported to shift at £849 and currently the H2 can be got for £600 - 650. That’s aggressive pricing for the H3 and like you said, it will be interesting to see the pricing from the other big players, great news for the consumer!
I still have my original Hammer. Anything here on the H3 to make it worth the switch? Love the channel Shane!
The H3 is A LOT quieter. That's the #1 thing for existing Hammer/H2 owners.
Hi Shane,
thanks for the detailed video, im exploring your other videos as well but on the H3 issues faced :
1.Power accuracy improvements in SIM hill climbs and sprints
2.Cadence fluctuations and accuracy
3.Saris mobile app updated?
just wondering if these were fixed since i just purchased one based on other reviews which seemed reasonable until i found your video.
much appreciated
Aziz
I haven't looped back to the H3 in any detailed way. I have been seeing their app getting a number of updates to fix bugs with connectivity to do updates/spindowns/etc.
I purchased my H3 last week and everything's great, cadence seems to be fixed but I do feel like there is still wattage robbery. I haven't compared data like Shane has, but just comparing Garmin V3 (one side) on 520 Vs zwift from H3. Is there a way to up the H3 power artificially, reduce weight so w/k is more accurate? Or just use V3 as power meter on zwift?
Guess we're going to need to calculate and enter our drivetrain losses throughout the shift range if we want the trainer power numbers to better match crank power meters. Do trainers already estimate this?
They typically don’t... they don’t now what gear you’re in and the chain angle. The ultimate solution is to use an on-bike power meter - closer to the power source and away from the complexities/heat/noise of the trainer.
What’s your take on the sound comparison between the H3 and the 2018 Kickr? DC Rainmaker says the H3 is not on the same level as the Kickr or even the Kickr Core. Do you agree? Or are they both so quiet that any comparison pointless? (I’m largely concerned with avoiding floor vibration and keeping my downstairs neighbor happy!)
H3 was as silent as I'd expect a 2019 trainer to be. I couldn't pick any difference between the Kickr18/CORE/H3. I'd need to line them up and ride them in succession to know.
does it have a climbing feature or windsimulator like wahoo?
For Zwift I'm currently using rear axle and crank arm Wahoo sensors with a non-smart trainer. There's a lot to like about the H3. If the cadence issue isn't corrected through firmware updates, could I continue to use my Wahoo crank sensor for cadence and let the H3 handle everything else? Would this be a good idea anyway for better accuracy?
Another cadence sensor would work better, yes.
Maybe it reads low because you need to get it good and warm before doing a spin down? My H1 gets pretty warm after a good hour of hard work on it.
Nope. I warmed it up for a good 10 minutes prior to the spindown, including sprints. If a unit needs an hour - that's a total fail.
Could the wattage robbery be due to the location of where it is measured? I am thinking the drive train would steal a few watts as it transfers your power to the H3. Not sure if anyone has looked at wattage lost due to different chains or even if that would make a difference.
Doesn't seem to be a problem for it in ERG steady-state. I've never seen any more than a few watts even when cross chaining. It could be related to the way the H3 measures power vs other meters. Variances in cadence during the pedal stroke (much like oval rings) could be influencing the readings under this specific scenario. It's a rabbit hole I'll need more sensors and tests to confirm. At the end of the day I'm not doing anything special or different to a standard user - so there should be clarification around accuracy/measurement if this is the case.
Great vid Shane, don't suppose you've tried it with a more recent firmware... Feels like they may have fixed the sprint over shoot, but made the wattage robbery worse
I’ll retest in the coming weeks.
@@gplama thanks Shane would be great if you could (loved the mont ventop tdz btw...awesome!)
That you found one gear where things evened out, suggests to me that the difference between the pedals and the wattage measured at the SARIS might be the watts lost by your chain and gears. You'd lose more when the chain was out of line wouldn't you?
Wait, so I also need to order the thru-axle conversion kit for my new Trek Domane SL5?
Did you figure this out? I need to see what I need to order to make this work with my thru axle bike. I'm not 100% sure after watching the video. Thx
Simon Ramirez Hi there did you resolve this. I have a through axel bike and I’m waiting for the H3 coming through in a couple of weeks
Yet another "quiet" trainer with a loud freehub... Baby steps apparently. :P Will be nice to have a truly quiet trainer once that becomes the expected/delivered standard.
- I know some people say you don't "coast inside", but many people do for many reasons (Zwift riding, recovery after sprinting, calibration, etc.).
- As such, I think it is logical to expect more quiet freehubs to accompany the quiet drive system.
I still need to do a video of packing them with grease to quieten them down.
@@gplama That'd decent bodge/hack. I've done it by mistake on regular bike wheel builds and it can lead to skipping and missed grabs of the pawls. Super scary in some situations in the real world. Might be livable for an inside setup and worth a test at least. Looking forward to your video on that test too :D
Fully agree Chad. When I first got the Neo2 I was pleasantly surprised with how much quieter the freewheel was compared to the Kickr 18. Both are still loud though.
Totally agree, Chad. I have mentioned this before. I have a neighbour who complains a lot, and so I cannot buy a smart trainer until the freehub noise is sorted out. I have to use a spinning bike instead.
Just add some thin grease or oil, this will reduce the noise of the freewheel.
Have you noticed any improvement with new software update? I have a M2 and don't see any cadence issues?
I'm thinking about upgrading to a H3
I have tested a few firmwares after this.... not the latest. I'll loop back to this soon.
@@gplama
Thank you....
@@gplama any update on cadence and erg climb data?
Question, neo 2t or H3 and pocket the £400 difference?
@@C22RLD Also debating between these 2. Both seem to read low power,the Saris only during simulated climbs tho. Did choose one?
Hey Shane.. I'm a bit late to the h3 discussion, but I just upgraded to 105 di2 and just fit my 12 speed 105 cassette to my h3...it fit on my h3 fine? Perhaps because its not an HG+ cassette? Anyway I love the videos and just wanted to pass this info on. Cheers!
In the recent Zwift update it mentioned they fixed some issue with the spin down for the H3. I have always used rouvy to do the spin down, but today decided to do it within zwift. My ride definitely "felt" different. Granted, I have been doing a lot of riding so my legs my just be shot at this point, but it "felt" I had to pedal harder to reach the same watts after that spin down. I would prefer accurate numbers, but will settle for consistent efforts, so should I only do the spin down with Rouvy, or Zwift, and if so, which one is more accurate?
The spindown procedure should give the same results regardless of the software used. This is a question for Saris support for an official answer.
@@gplama Thank you!
Update, at 4:11, have you tried removing the "handle" from the axle, because on my Trek it's just a 6mm tool that comes off.
Yep. Someone pointed that out. Works... not a good solution each time I want to put the bike on and take it off.
@@gplama Not sure what you mean. You have to pull out your axle anyway to remove your wheel before mounting the H3, then insert it in to mount the H3. I wasted $55 buying another thru-axle, not knowing the lever is removable. There was no info about it anywhere. Trek's owner's manual says nothing about it, and the Trek Store was no help either. I do like your videos and am now subscribed.
@@st8kout961 Each bike/wheel is different. The ratchet/arm does come off the one on the Giant but needs a hex key, then it has to then be used to turn, remove, turn, remove, turn, remove. It's a pain in the arse. The Kickr axle I'm using works 100% better for install/removal.
I have a track with a 141 mm quick release, is their a trainer that works for this bike?
Good question. I'm not sure sorry mate. Ping Saris Support on this one.
Please excuse a stupid question but I've never rode on a trainer like this,can you just jump on it and fire up netflix and just ride or do you have to have some kind of a program or app?
They need to be controlled by something for the best experience. You can use a mobile device to control them and watch TV or movies on the big screen.
You noticed the "wattage robbery" was just on variable uphill sim. Could it be drivetrain loss? I mean your comparing pedal (before drivetrain) to unit (after drivetrain) and that lower measurement is consistent with the amount of a crosschain situation. Just an idea.
I've never seen any more than a few watts even when cross chaining. It could be related to the way the H3 measures power vs other meters. Variances in cadence during the pedal stroke (much like oval rings) could be influencing the readings under this specific scenario. It's a rabbit hole I'll need more sensors and tests to confirm. At the end of the day I'm not doing anything special or different to a standard user - so there should be clarification around accuracy/measurement if this is the case.
Shane,
I just got my and I am having issues with my ERG mode. I celebrated the trainer a few times and is updated with the latest firmware.
ERG mode is not working properly any recommendations?
What platform? ANT or BLE? Any issues with signal?
Shane Miller - GPLama.
BLE no signal issues. In ERG mode the power is way below the target power in TR.
I tried Sufferfest and Zwift too. Same issues. Is not adjusting the resistance.
Hmmm. One for Saris support. That's not how it should be.
Hey Jo,
How you finding your H3? I haven’t seen other other riders of it except the top reviewers.
Could not put the through Axle in the opposite way? I don't have a through axle so I don't know it is one way only
Nope. The thread is on the drive side.
Hello. Did they fix the cadence issue?
Just updated my H2 and ERG mode still does nothing say it should be 120w with no trouble you can go to 300w this is using Zwift. Am I missing some thing. H2 seems to work find using free rides on Zwift with resistance changing as it should . Passed spin down on Zwift and Rovoy.
Sounds like ERG isn't enabled (check box) in workout mode?
In Zwift if I try to do Emily’s short mix where you should be held at say 120 w you can put in any power you want and ERG is on and if you let the cadence power go very low Zwift shows EGR has cut out till you get the cadence power back and then comes in . When I had my Qubo on Zwift EGR mode worked ok. Thanks for the reply.
Where can I buy the skewer that you put on the smart trainer
You are accounting for drive train loss in the power comparisons?
I don’t expect to see much loss with an optimised setup I run.
Hi Shane, Can I ask you which one you preferred between the H3 or the Elite Drivo? Thank you
H3. The Drivo has been replaced by the Drivo II and Direto (three generations).
You may have reversed the thru axle pieces. Their video has the shorter piece going on the drive side and it looked like you put it on the other? Could this have caused the issue
If that was the case the gear indexing would have been out due to the rear derailleur being a lot further away from the cassette.
Hi Shane I have a dilemma I need to choose between the H3 at a price point of 799 us or the Neo 2T at a price point of 1200 us please help thank you
This is entirely your call. I hope the videos and content I've done on both help with the decision, but I'm really not in a position to make that for you.
Bought mine 1/23 for 600, 650$ with tax, new. Seems better than the ZHub at that price.
Ooh little Lama is cute as Hell !
@Eric Jackson Yes why not ...
Hi shane, when do you think we will see them in Aus?
Not sure mate. Ping Saris Support. They should have a quick answer on this one.
@@gplama Thanks Shane!
the flywheel is heavy. My wife is not strong. Would h3 be a bad choice for her? Or is it managable thanks to the speed management through derailleur? Thanks!
Does it work with XDR? Thanks
Optional purchase I believe. Called the Direct Drive XD/XDR Driver
Hi Shane,
I have a question for you or anyone else. I bought a Saris H3 and after riding it I noticed the Scraping sound on pedaling hard from a stop or slow speeds. The scrape that goes a away once you get your cadence up. I also noticed that it also vibrated on the downstroke which I wasn’t very happy with. It was however surprisingly quiet. The manufacture date was oct 9 2019
Saris sent me a replacement H3. This one does not have the scraping sound like the first one did. It does however vibrate much worse than the first one. The vibration get pretty bad once your speed is over 20mph. It is also much louder than the first one was. I have checked to make sure my cassette is installed correctly, and that is not the problem. The manufacture date on the second one is nov.19. 2019.
Have you or has anyone else had any problems with their trainer?
Yeah, it's a known issue. Jump over to the TrainerRoad forums and search up H3. I'm pretty sure there was a long thread there with people having the same issue and a fix/hack to get it sorted.
@@gplama I
I saw the posts about the scraping sound when you start pedaling, but I didn't see any posts about vibrations and the trainer being loud of 20mph.
I wonder if I try a 3rd Saris H3 if the vibrations will be any less?
that thru axle issue is pretty unforgivable. how do these people do their r&d?!?! just with one bike?
Gurk E exactly my thought, the moment i see the thru axle this becomes true garbage, how can they not even think of that before pushing a 1k product to the market, not to mention Shane can’t make it work with the app lol
Hi Shane, I bought a Saris H3. Have you done a long term test on the H3? or Do you know of anyone that done a long term test?
After 6 six months of riding my H3 is making a loud knocking noise. I have found several CZcams videos of people with a similar problem. No one has a solution. Some think it is the fan others think is the flywheel. Due to Covid Saris is no responsive.
Jump over to the TrainerRoad forum. There's a long thread there on the H3 with owners discussing issues. Note: You'll never find much posted when people don't encounter any problems, so the Internet skews issues far beyond reality.
Hi , I just ordered an H3, but I read in several forums about an internal noise after a couple of weeks of use, and this noise is attributed to a defect in an internal pulley, to a kind of friction of 2 pieces inside , I wanted to ask you if you have had any problem like this or similar? since this h3 is famous for presenting this inconvenience and many people say that the saris service is lousy. This has me something worried, even to the point of canceling the order or returning the product, because in many internet forums they talk about this problem.
No issue with the unit I had. This is an issue of consumer confidence that Saris need to address.
@@gplama Tks Shane !!!
"All axles types supported" dont see 120mm track axle support there, sadly missing from another smart trainer.
The market for an interactive trainer to be compatible with fixed/track would be so small they'd likely 'thank you for the suggestion' in a support ticket and think nothing more of it. If you want/need track compatibility then I'd be looking at a more robust trainer / solution. There's a guy out of NZ making track conversions for Kickrs. I can't recall the site/name though.
@@gplama its true, although I've always thought a singlespeed would be ideal, even belt drive, for quiet low maintenance. Erg mode why not really, or have adjustable resistance built into the trainer for changing gears
I have issues with power connector on H1 unit. It's so flimsy.
Sometimes when i ride and rock my trainer it just falls off.
Resistance will be dropped to zero at this moment. Looks like same connection used here.
Solution? (my) use velcro or duct tape to fix cable on trainer.
Same here. I fell over it a few times because the placement is that stupid. Some local shop repaired it for me.
Hi, can anyone recommend a smart trainer for beginner ? I'm looking quieter one and not highest price. Thanks
This is one of the top level trainers in performance and price. Maybe look at a mid range Elite Suito or Kickr Core for a more budget friendly direct drive smart trainer. Having said that, this is still a good option you won’t be replacing with an upgrade any time soon.
@@gplama thanks so much for reply 😊
Hello
I am thinking of buying a new smart training.
I am thinking of a Saris H3, Flux 2.1 or Kickr Core. Although the price of the H3 is another 200 euros more expensive in the store where I am thinking of buying it is at the same price as Flux and Core.
What is the best option?
Thanks
Of those three, the H3 if you'll use ERG mode a lot. The CORE is a close second.
@@gplama Thanks for the fast response.
My big dilema is that in the website the value are the same of the three trainers.
My big concern is the problems of the noice of the Saris S3 but I think the Wahoo also have issues.
Regarding the ERG mode I use 50/50% or even less because I do alot of sprints because I race Enduro Mtb and 2 of 3 trainings that I do on a turbo trainner I don´t use ERg mode.
I am about to pull the trigger on a Direct Drive trainer after more than 450 TR rides with a Vortex Smart. (So I am prepared for a reality check regarding my real FTP value ...😏) Tempted by Saris H3 based on the good reviews and aptitude for TR due to excellent ERG performance. Is this after one year still the case?
H3 still holds a special place in my heart for being an exceptional trainer in ERG. Given this unit is now pushing two years old, it might be worth reaching out to Saris to see if they can give any hints/insights of any pending release.
@@gplama thanks Shane, really appreciate the effort you take to answer most questions. You and DCRainmaker are of the same 'breed' 😉. Saris H3 are really on promo actually in the Netherlands (around 850 Euro) which puts him now in the price bracket of a Kickr Core instead of the Kickr 2021. Only problem is shipping to where I live (Mali) which also implies no access to client support. Although I had a very nice experience with Tacx when they shipped free of charge the electronic unit of the Vortex. I was unlucky with a second hand Bushido of which the Erg mode was not working at all.
Have you heard any updates on the cadence issue?
No
just recieved my h3 today, and cadense is spot onand no lag. so yes its working now
Question? would you buy the hammer over this for $599?
No. H3 is much quieter.
Shane Miller - GPLama much appreciated , started watching your videos and follow today !
Awesome job!
Given the variance in thru axles bike-to-bike, it wouldn't be practical to supply with the trainer, but a voucher for a trainer axle from Robert Axle Project, or Traxle, which support hex keys should be in the box.
One thing Saris do well is machinery and metal. Three different pitched axles (same as the SNAP kit) would be welcome. Not being able to use a trainer out of the box isn’t a good experience. I have found out the TA I have do come apart and do work... with a bit of faffing around. User experience needs to be better.
@@gplama I agree that the experience should be better. A little more effort in the design phase would have gone a long way here.
That said, of the four thru axle road bikes I have owned (three which are still around), only one (the Giant) would have been a issue. Two of the four have "aero" thru axles, the other had a DT Swiss lift-and-ratchet design which would have worked around this problem. Even there, my Giant, as I imagine your's does as well, has a bolt at the end of the thru axle which makes it possible to use the lever on the axle to turn it like a wrench. Inconvenient, sure, massive faff, maybe not so much.
FWIW, I don't run the stock thru axle in my Giant because the design of their axle makes it so it doesn't work when fenders (aka mud guards) are mounted on the bike using its native fender mounts (cough, design fail). If Giant had fitted a more flexible thru axle (i.e. the DT Swiss kind) it would sort both this issue, and mine.
Also worth noting that the three axles of massive length approach wouldn't have worked with one of my bikes because its has a cover over the axle on the drive side. It is possible to remove the cover, but the same bolt which holds that in place also holds the derailleur hanger, so it would be complicated to put the bike on/off the trainer.
The variation in thru axle implementation bike-to-bike and OEM-to-OEM complicates things, which is the point I was trying to make earlier. While it sucks that it didn't work the way you expected, adding unnecessary cost which might not be required, or actually fix the problem in a suitable way probably isn't the best approach for a mass market device.
How difficult can it be to design a direct drive trainer with the option of using a Campy compatible freehub or a freehub that takes both Campy, Shimano, and SRAM cassettes (Edco makes such a freehub)?
What cassette gearing do you use, mine came with 11/25
Whatever you like (and is compatible with your bike). I usually run a 11-28 indoors.
@@gplama thank you for your response, I have 50/34 with 11/36 for my normal road riding in the hills. I feel my cadence is to hi 93 avg on flat zwift ride is uncomfortable when my normal avg is more around 83, 85. I will try my 11/32 and see how that works. I love all your videos and have learned alot. Thanks again.
how do you calibrate h3? how do you switch between erg and non erg mode?
Use the Saris mobile app for calibration. Switching between ERG and SIM is done automatically by the software you use.
@@gplama thx for the reply. i have the mobile app (saris), it doesn't sync with the h3 (tried many times, and from the reviews of the app it seems like many have had the same experience). It seems the calibration can only be done in rouvy, but that didn't work when i tried. (maybe make a video showing how to do that?! :). THANK YOU for the note on the switching ERG sim. I could not find that info ANYWHERE. I'm using the sufferest app and i want to run the full frontal test so i was worried i would need to switch it or something. full frontal is done NOT in the erg mode, correct? new rider, phd nerd, LOVE the detail of your channel and clarity of thought. you're the best out there!
Ping Saris Support if their app is still not working. Maybe try from another device (iPad/iPhone/Android). As long as nothing else is connected via Bluetooth to the H3, it should connect. Rouvy were partnered with Saris/Cyclops, I believe they are becoming more independent so the firmware/spindown/etc in that app for Saris products may disappear. Full Frontal testing should be done in level mode (think of it as a set % sim, I guess) so the rider isn't limited by ERG holding them back setting new wattage highs.
@@gplama got it! quick summary
1. you're correct, could to it in rouvy, but it didn't work quiet right. not even sure what is being calibrated. didn't seem to affect metrics though in other apps (had assioma power meters on too).
2. within the sufferfest app, it could tell i was in ERG and corrected me to level 3 (ERG off).
3. full frontal is tough. :)
thx u!
Any updates on the CAD issues in Zwift ?
I've done a few quick tests with later firmware, same issue on variable SIM gradients. I'll need to re-test again soon with the latest firmware.
@@gplama Thanks much
Does the H3 still have cadence and power reading issues?
I haven't been back on the H3 for around 12 months, so I'm not sure of any updates/improvements they've made.
@@gplama Thank you for your reply. Saris last firmware update for the H3 was 29/10/19 which claimed to correct the cadence and power issues.
@@stephenprice4739 2019.... damn. Saris were pretty quiet in 2020... during the biggest growth period indoor cycling has ever seen. Maybe supply or manufacturing issues for them?
Hi Shane thanks for your help. Just don’t know whether to trust the H3. I recently bought the Wahoo kickr 2020 from my local bike shop but had marks appear on the drive belt caused by a pulley wheel. Replacement started to do the same thing plus it vibrated badly in high gears. The right leg was not sitting correctly. They have suggest the H3 as a replacement!! I bought the wahoo to use the kickr climb but feel a bit disillusioned by smart trainers so back on the dumb trainer with sensors at the moment. Will probably give wahoo one more chance!! Your reviews are always great and so informative. Thanks.
Just got the H3. Due to the stupid design on the unit, I can't attack the bike using my thru axle because the design prohibits me from spinning the lever on the axle to tighten it!
I had to purchase a "trainer" thru axle for $108 Can! Have not use it yet but now it is snowing and I was just about to set it up. In the out of the box vid by Saris, it show the guy sort of "ratcheting" his thru axle in order to tighten it. Not sure how the hell he does that because with my Giant axles, I can just join them to tighten or loosen. No way to ratchet backhand forth to tighten. Why the hell did Saris design the H# like that?!
Does it worth for a beginner guy? or what do you recommend?
Depends on your budget. It'll work fine for the beginner through to pro rider.
@@gplama Thanks for the quick answer. I'll save to buy it. It looks great!
Hi Shane!! Great video!
Is it a bad idea to keep my bike attached to the smart trainer since I’m riding every day indoors? Should I unattach my bike every ride? Thanks 👍🏻
No issues leaving it in place on the trainer.
The H3 or the suito?
I’ll know when I’ve seen/tested a production Suito.
Still no Campagnolo compatibility :(
KuriReevel if you are using campy 11spd it will work with Shimano 11spd cassette
Michael Tan - It will work very very badly.
My Super Record EPS have been running smoothly on an Ultegra cassette for 2-3 years without any issues.... perhaps you ought to find a better bike mechanic... 🤷🏻♂️
Michael Tan I’ve 10 speed campy...
Those giant thru axle has an hex key on it that you can remove the lever section so it could work but not ideal. Glad Summer is coming I think you need more of a tan ;)