Floyd was born and raised to box. Now he's considered the best of his era. If mma was the popular sport when he was a kid his work ethic to be a great mma fighter would be the same as it is today with boxing.
Cro-Crop was one of the most successful fighters to transition from boxing to kickboxing to MMA......When he was a great kickboxer, he made the transition very well by having one of the best sprawls. He basically avoided the take down very well and kept the fight standing...Holly Holm seems to be doing even better!
The dispute between boxing and MMA should end here: people don't just punch in real fights. For that reason boxing is limited and kidding itself by thinking that it's superior to MMA.
In MMA you can't punch to the back of the head, can't have your friends jump in, can't use a weapon etc. Neither boxing or MMA even comes close to actual fighting. And that's a GOOD thing. Real fights require zero athleticism. There's no sport in it. Look at the McGregor Mayweather fight. Conor was gassed and couldn't continue when ALL he had to do was use just hands. He stopped throwing back and stopped defending himself. Everyone, the commentators, the fans etc knew that Mayweather was letting Conor tire himself out and Conor didn't even realize it. He had no concept of the science of boxing. What southpaw doesn't concentrate on lead foot placement? Conor didn't. He was using no boxing skill. Mayweather could've just boxed and ended it in four rounds if wanted. THAT'S sports. Just like MMA boxing has a science behind it (thus the name "sweet science"). Boxing and MMA don't resemble real fighting because it takes the sport away.
Floyd Mayweather could make the transition. He has unbelievable athleticism and could fuck up any MMA fighter if given the time and the proper training. Also if it was a boxing match Mayweather could take Liddell and Lesnar on the same night.
Floyd Mayweather would dominate the MMA world he is more athletic and more intelligent then the trash in the UFC. With the right amount of time and training Floyd would be great at the stand up game and the ground game. Don't underestimate the power of Floyd "Money" Mayweather. By the way do you still take it up the ass by Dana and Joe?
Clueless...Lebron James is also athletic but guess what? Different type of athlete! Floyd is a boxing great. Awesome skillet overall. No question he's faster with his hands than any UFC fighter, impeccable timing and superior defense but for BOXING. You don't simply jump into another aspect of fighting and dominate when it takes YEARS of dedication to that craft. Same applies to MMA fighters to professional boxing. They'd be thrashed in a pure boxing match. Floyd is a boxing chess player, his style relies on speed and evasiveness. That would be eliminated from the equation fast in the mma. It's people like you who make others hate Floyd. Look.what happened to James Toney and his mouth vs an old man Couture. Now imagine a YOUNG champ...smh Take your fanboyism out of this and think about it logically.
To bring up James Toney is about the dumbest thing you could have done. He is a fat 45 year old punch drunk wash up. Floyd with time and training could demolish any welterweight MMA fighter.
And Randy Couture was what? In his prime? He was retired several times over and washed up and he made his point quick. Floyd would be annihilated in mma son. You don't just take a crash course and jump in expecting the same results. Floyd entering the mma would be as the goat, Michael Jordan entering baseball...oh wait, he did that didn't he? :)
First of all I'm not your son. Second Randy Couture was in much better shape and was not punch drunk like James Toney. He also made it quick by a takedown and submission, he did not even think about standing up with Toney. Floyd is a different breed of athlete MMA would be no challenge for him. I look at it this way who has a better chance at being dominate in each other sport, St-Pierre in boxing or Mayweather in MMA. Does Dana and Joe still put there meat inside of you? Kind Sir you have been roasted, by the way I don't even care much about Floyd, I just know he is a much better athlete then any MMA fighter. The transition would be a piece of cake, but he's in a much more classy and old school sport making the kind of dough anyone in the UFC organization couldn't even dream of making, wether it be a fighter or Dana White himself. Keep sucking MMA's big fat cock. Your either a hipster, a dickhead, a mainstream bitch, or a hillbilly.
Any mediocre MMA fighter would beat Mayweather on a street fight. Mayweather greatness happens at a time where boxing is a dying sport, and MMA is on the rise
Torn rotator cuff? Lmfaoooooo. Before the fight in the weigh in pacquiao raised he hands. He throws combinations and missed but showed no signs of pain. His corner never massaged his shoulder in the corner once. Where is the MRI scan? Do you even watch boxing or are you just saying what you've heard from others? Lmfaooooo. Now he arm is "healed" from salt Water. Looool. A rotator cuff is a serious injury
Theres so much money in boxing he would never change. If Mayweather was trained as an MMA fighter from childhood he would be at the top. Its alot harder to get to the top in boxing simply because theres alot more guys trying to get there.
I love revisiting this interview because it shows that Ken Shamrock and Pat Miletich were the only guys that understood the business and they were the original OG's of MMA,they knew to embrace rather than to destroy the idea, these were legends that fought some hard fights for very little cash and knew what a Prime Mayweather would have brought to the sport of MMA,I dont even like Floyd but this was pre McGregor era and Brock had only started his MMA journey when MMA was still fighting for relevancy and recognition globally
Stupid, he makes more money than all MMA fighters combined. It's harder to be great in boxing because of its long and competive life of over a hundred years. When a wrestler comes into MMA at an older age and becomes a champion in a few years it's obvious the competition is weak compared to Boxing. Floyd Mayweather has been honing his skills for 30 years against the best competition available. It's going to take decades for MMA to catch up.
I'm not sure how true this is but Teddy Atlas says it takes two to hold each other. In other words two fighters purposely holding after initial contact are making an unstated agreement to rest. If a fighter really wants to keep fighting he can push off and keep throwing punches. I knew Pacquiao was going to lose when he stepped back after getting Mayweather against ropes fearing a counter-punch.
Totally. Not to mention the added advantage of controlling the fight. For instance, keeping away with leg kicks. The damage that leg kicks will cause alone, is more than likely enough to win the fight.
FYI kicks are slow compared to punches and you can't throw kicks in combos like you can with punches, that's why punches > kicks in combat. You can have power but you have to land to make it count.
Ken Shamrock is absolutely right. It would be huge for MMA to transition boxing fans with boxing's poster boy as a vehicle. HIs fans will follow him anywhere he goes. He could probably be very good if he were training with the right people and was dedicated to learning all the aspects of MMA.
i trained boxing for 2 - 3 years and now started muay thai and want to learn a little wrestling too ....boxing is very important in a fight and it helps me also when i spar in muay thai and i will still train boxing along with muay thai but boxing alone will never never never lead to success in mma because mma fighters also train boxing and kicks knees ellbows takedowns etc. ...but if a boxer trains a little wrestling or bjj and lowkicks and such stuff for a while then it would look differently
Ken Shamrock is a smart man. Getting a name like Mayweather into MMA and cultivating his success could make everyone in the game a lot of money right down through to the grass roots if it was handled properly.
Damn man, Ken is right.. stop expecting him to immediately step in with the big leagues.. I know they did that with Lesnar and a few others but still.. everybody pretty much starts at a basic level, so I say give him a chance.. if he learns the ins and outs with a strong boxing background, I think he might be something to pay attention to..
Conditioned is a relative term. The conditioning required for an MMA fighter is a lot different than that of a boxer. When it comes to pure cardio, of course a boxer is. However MMA fighters have other things to condition. The ability to take blows all over your body. I guarantee an MMA fighters legs are a lot more conditioned than a boxer's. Also, joint and bone strength conditioning is hugely important due to grappling. Boxer's dont even have to worry about that stuff.
Thats pretty much what was said about James Tony before he fought Randy Couture. That didn't go so well. It would take a while before a fighter who is only trained in one style to become proficient enough in another to be truly successful as a mixed martial artist. All a grappler has to do is not get knocked out before getting hold of the striker. Which isn't that difficult. But at the same time, If the striker can learn to stop takedowns and keep the distance, they might have a chance.
It's not about being an expert, I'm just saying that anyone willing to participate in a combat sport deserves respect. I'm sure if you watched some MMA at the top level and learnt a little about the fighters and their abilities, you would love it.
Come on people realize that boxing does so well and is so powerful because there are countries not fans, but countries that back up boxers!!! MMA fighters have a fan base but they do not have a whole country backing them up. That is why boxing and boxers are so powerful.
@ScholarlyGentleman81 Not to mention punches. There are ways to distract strikers into putting up their guards and then using that as a way to close the distance. You don't use everything in MMA? How don't you? You strike with your hands, elbows, legs, knees, you fight on the ground, and can use submissions. Very few martial arts train in biting, gouging, groin shots, and hitting behind the head. There are some arts that train groin shots and hitting behind the head, but on pressure points.
MMA goes back a long way check out the very first UFC and Pride fighting it was about the best fighter in their martial art fighting each other using just their own technique. now everyone learns several different fighting style just to survive eveyone would agree that grappling was the best when back in its days when the UFC just started if u dont like my comment watch the old UFC royce gracie fights he fought strikers and dominated u guys only know the fighters now theres alot of old legends
Any pure boxer in MMA vs any guy with a respectable ground game the MMA guy will win 100% of the time in my book. Any good wrestler will be able to get in and take the boxer down without taking too much damage.
I absolutely LOVE listening to Ken Shamrock talk, as he speaks in an intelligent manner about everything. If he was to give a speech about gardening, I truly believe hardened master gardeners would listen to him & say, "hhmmmmm, he speaks truth, & I just learned something from him!" What Ken said about embracing Floyd, training & grooming him so that he can be successful in MMA, because we NEED him to be successful, is about as level-headed an approach the UFC could possibly make in integrating Floyd Mayweather into competing in a UFC competition. ^^TRUTH!!!^^
SHIT!!! Is that a "Trident" on Pat Militich's hat?? I did not know he was a SEAL. Learn something new every day! (now my respect for him is 10-fold, form 100%)
Shamrock is correct. Plus Floyd would train before stepping into the cage. But the cost for Floyd would be around 300 million dollars of setting fights aside. Chris Horodecki @3:00 called it correctly.
Boxers will always be out of their elimate when dealing with Martial Artist, that's what most people don't look at is the fact that you are dealing with trained Martial Artist who learn how to destroy and kill the agressor. When they fight MMA, the rules are ofcourse geared so people won't die, (no breaking necks, no soccer kicks, no 12 to 6 elbows, no kicking downed men, and ofcourse, let go when he taps out.) a boxer, is out of his eliment because unless he strikes first he'll always be ->
The heavyweight division is the great equalizer between the two. As long as Junior Dos Santos(the best boxer in mma) keeps KOing guys, then a boxer would have a chance in the heavyweight division.
Definitely MMA is more violent compared to boxing, and has more of difficulty of survival because it uses hands, feet , legs punching and locking. But even having said that a boxer fighting in MMA bout would be his disadvantage. at the same time a MMA fighter fighting in a boxing ring would also be his, because it's not their natural way of fighting . they do both required a different understanding when it comes to fighting
@saponumberone All of these styles in their singular forms are great, and they're great for their own reasons, but whenever you pit them against each other, it really testifies to the strength, training, and determination of its fighters. Singular fighting styles may reveal cracks in other styles, but whenever you mix them all into one, you get to see its various uses under ever-changing circumstances. The problem comes when people are so used to being in the spotlight and suddenly get replaced.
But fighting consists of offense and defense. JDS has got awesome takedown defense (wrestling, judo) and kick-boxing/muay-thai skills for defending against kicks. He uses boxing techniques offensively (although modified for MMA), but w/o those defensive techniques coming from various martial arts he'd have no chance against anybody.
@ScholarlyGentleman81 Yes, it may be a slightly different story if you could do those things to me, but you won't be able to. Whenever someone has a dominant position on you, your body belongs to them. If someone applies a RNC, armbar, kimura, kneebar, heel hook, omoplata, etc., and you bite, gouge, grab the groin, pull hair, etc., then you're gonna lose a limb or pass out. You should really understand how powerful jiu jitsu/grappling is.
@boxingfan6 So it makes sense for a boxing guy to fight in the ufc rather than a ufc guy to fight under boxing rules b/c a boxing guy can do everything he can and a mma fighter can do everything he can.
There's one point that needs to be brought up about Mayweather and his MMA debut. If and when it happens, many of boxing's supporters will be looking for their opportunity to pounce if he happens to win. From a career mindset, it will be smarter for him to be matched against a striker rather than a grappler. A grappler will keep him on the mat until he gets submitted or pounded out. Put him against Penn or Anderson Silva and he won't make it out of the first round.
@dying2l Nut shots, it seems everyone gets one free warning then they deduct a point per round or DQ if fighter is unable to continue (K-1 fighters kick very hard.) Other than that you can't kick anyone with a knee or a hand down in the face or the same thing with the nut shot could happen. If you are both standing anything else is legal in MMA as far as kicking goes. You can still kick downed opponents, just not in the head after a few shots if it becomes a stalemate the ref restarts the bout.
Actually a ko sucks worse. A choke, the choker has control and makes you tape as you start to pass out. With a KO theres not only a concussion chance, theres a chance of more injury from the fall itself.
floyds defense is godly... with those little pad gloves his straight right hand leads and leaping left hook would do damage. his shoulder roll could still work with kicks and he is thee best counter puncher bar none. i just dont see him kicking and rolling around on the ground and thats a part of mma so yeaa, i think that 0 wouldnt last too long.
I would say exactly the opposite. Fighting against someone in a ground fight is far less risky if you know what you're doing AND if it is only 1 on 1. What I mean is, nearly everyone can throw a half way decent punch, but you rearly see total beginners coming up with a kimura or a triangle choke. Just doesn't happen.
Ray Mercer said MMA makes boxing look easy. MMA is infinite, other combat sports are finite. That's why he said they are worlds apart. Many people that you call "okay at a lot of things" are also masters/world champions & Olympians in their previous crafts. It all comes back to what Bruce Lee said "The best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt to any style, to be formless, to adopt an individual's own style and not following the system of styles."
Top boxers are such good punchers they would undoubtedly win some fights. Tony lost to randy but u cant judge on one fight. Valasquez got owned in 30 seconds by dos santos- it happens. But boxing is like a sparring match compared to MMA a lot of the time
He's a boxer with the rare skill of being able to prevent takedowns from NCAA wrestlers and BJJ practitioners. 99.9% of boxers just don't need to develop that skill and therefore don't have that skill and would subsequently get choked, armbarred or spend an evening getting their back grated against the octagon fence by some aggressive wrestler.
@tylerblogger that's true, but there is a thing call defense that not very easy to learn. if you seen maywether fight, tell me how many time has he been knockout? cut? bleed?bruised?or a black eye? you think its easy to learn boxing defense?? im sure any mma fighter could just focus more on striking and become a great boxers
Many MMA fighters have boxing backgrounds & many statistically do better in boxing than MMA because it's harder to remain undefeated in full body combat.
As much as I sometimes disagree with Mayweather, I think if he LEARNED MMA he would be great. He would have to contend with, having a smaller purse, and being able to handle a loss. His style would most likely mirror Cung Le. Cung Le CAN grapple but he doesnt like to, and his style revolves around avoiding takedowns, staying on his feet and throwing kicks. Mayweather would be similar. Learn grappling but dont prefer it, check kicks, style revolved around avoiding those things and using hands.
I enjoy these dabates because I get bored sometimes, but lets be honest, both sports have great athletes and fighters who deserve respect from the fans and eachother. I prefer boxing but I wouldn't discredit an MMA fighter. Likewise I liked MMA before being a big boxing fan but I never in my life took boxers for being unskilled. The sports are different in so many ways, why cant they coexist?
@hustleboy62 Who said Lesnar had an iron chin, to my knowledge it hasn't really been tested short of the two poundings he took in his last two fights. MMA is the sport of fighting, it is a full body combat sport knockdowns score more than takedowns. Cain punch's as hard as most heavyweight boxers, most MMA fighters (especially the old pride fighters) didn't start fighting in MMA for money or fame. They did it for pride & spirit of competition, something most boxers forgot about like Mayweather.
i think pacquia would be better in MMA than mayweather... it would be impossible for mayweather to win by decision, eventually he would be taken down. manny is quick and explosive enough to maybe finish early with ko's... if you dont have a ground game then you better be a smart brawler with hands of stone.
I suppose.. but if you watch Badr Hari (who just went to boxing) or Allistair Overeem, guys that kno how to strike with all 8 striking points, as opposed to just two.. The boxer will always have a punchers chance.. but the striker will have an advantage by being able to set up strikes by kickin their legs/ribs/etc.. but also like u say, boxers could be beaten by grappling.. which is the central base for all MMA, so naturally MMA fighters will take down boxers fairly easily..
@saponumberone And that doesn't degrade boxing. In boxing, you're only punching and moving around (to put it bluntly, I realize it's more than just 'moving around'). You don't have to be flexible for kicks or grappling (you really have to be flexible for rubber guard and gogoplatas), you don't have to squeeze and struggle on the ground, and you don't have to know the things that mixed martial artists know. It's irrelevant really for a boxer to know jiu jitsu, since it can't be used in boxing.
Why Box for 200 million dollars? When you can fight in the UFC for 200 thousand?? Yeah that makes so much sense lmfao!
fuck floyd
Andre Lewis fuck you
Lol more like 10000 Floyd is a perfect boxer. Second he got shot on game over.
Floyd was born and raised to box. Now he's considered the best of his era. If mma was the popular sport when he was a kid his work ethic to be a great mma fighter would be the same as it is today with boxing.
Cro-Crop was one of the most successful fighters to transition from boxing to kickboxing to MMA......When he was a great kickboxer, he made the transition very well by having one of the best sprawls. He basically avoided the take down very well and kept the fight standing...Holly Holm seems to be doing even better!
I always used to think ken shamrock was a meathead. I've grown to respect him a lot in recent years, talks a lot of sense
Gayweather
MMA is so real than Boxing. do not think about coming to MMA and challenge those real fighters if don't wanna change your face anatomy.
most stupid shit i readed in years! Congratulations for not knowing shit about boxing.
Readed? You poor, stupid fuck.
Writersblock39 im not american or british, how much do you know of my languge? gtfo!
Jose Aldo would school Floyd in an MMA match.
Aldo got knocked out by Connor seconds into round 1 with only one punch!
"if he[mayweather] was willing to fight me in a mma match, i would box him"
ryan schultz, you have a new fan.
The dispute between boxing and MMA should end here: people don't just punch in real fights. For that reason boxing is limited and kidding itself by thinking that it's superior to MMA.
P.S.- Mayweather ruined boxing.
+The Shaolin finnally someone who gets it, and thinks like me
In MMA you can't punch to the back of the head, can't have your friends jump in, can't use a weapon etc. Neither boxing or MMA even comes close to actual fighting. And that's a GOOD thing. Real fights require zero athleticism. There's no sport in it. Look at the McGregor Mayweather fight. Conor was gassed and couldn't continue when ALL he had to do was use just hands. He stopped throwing back and stopped defending himself. Everyone, the commentators, the fans etc knew that Mayweather was letting Conor tire himself out and Conor didn't even realize it. He had no concept of the science of boxing. What southpaw doesn't concentrate on lead foot placement? Conor didn't. He was using no boxing skill. Mayweather could've just boxed and ended it in four rounds if wanted. THAT'S sports. Just like MMA boxing has a science behind it (thus the name "sweet science"). Boxing and MMA don't resemble real fighting because it takes the sport away.
Floyd Mayweather could make the transition. He has unbelievable athleticism and could fuck up any MMA fighter if given the time and the proper training. Also if it was a boxing match Mayweather could take Liddell and Lesnar on the same night.
Floyd Mayweather would dominate the MMA world he is more athletic and more intelligent then the trash in the UFC. With the right amount of time and training Floyd would be great at the stand up game and the ground game. Don't underestimate the power of Floyd "Money" Mayweather. By the way do you still take it up the ass by Dana and Joe?
Clueless...Lebron James is also athletic but guess what? Different type of athlete! Floyd is a boxing great. Awesome skillet overall. No question he's faster with his hands than any UFC fighter, impeccable timing and superior defense but for BOXING. You don't simply jump into another aspect of fighting and dominate when it takes YEARS of dedication to that craft. Same applies to MMA fighters to professional boxing. They'd be thrashed in a pure boxing match. Floyd is a boxing chess player, his style relies on speed and evasiveness. That would be eliminated from the equation fast in the mma. It's people like you who make others hate Floyd. Look.what happened to James Toney and his mouth vs an old man Couture. Now imagine a YOUNG champ...smh Take your fanboyism out of this and think about it logically.
To bring up James Toney is about the dumbest thing you could have done. He is a fat 45 year old punch drunk wash up. Floyd with time and training could demolish any welterweight MMA fighter.
And Randy Couture was what? In his prime? He was retired several times over and washed up and he made his point quick. Floyd would be annihilated in mma son. You don't just take a crash course and jump in expecting the same results. Floyd entering the mma would be as the goat, Michael Jordan entering baseball...oh wait, he did that didn't he? :)
First of all I'm not your son. Second Randy Couture was in much better shape and was not punch drunk like James Toney. He also made it quick by a takedown and submission, he did not even think about standing up with Toney. Floyd is a different breed of athlete MMA would be no challenge for him. I look at it this way who has a better chance at being dominate in each other sport, St-Pierre in boxing or Mayweather in MMA. Does Dana and Joe still put there meat inside of you? Kind Sir you have been roasted, by the way I don't even care much about Floyd, I just know he is a much better athlete then any MMA fighter. The transition would be a piece of cake, but he's in a much more classy and old school sport making the kind of dough anyone in the UFC organization couldn't even dream of making, wether it be a fighter or Dana White himself. Keep sucking MMA's big fat cock. Your either a hipster, a dickhead, a mainstream bitch, or a hillbilly.
Any mediocre MMA fighter would beat Mayweather on a street fight. Mayweather greatness happens at a time where boxing is a dying sport, and MMA is on the rise
james toney. superb boxer. one of my all time favs. owned in mma. owned.
If Mayweather ever did try his hand at MMA, he'd fight a bum just so he could get the win and talk about how he beat MMA
Does anyone REALLY think Mayweather would go into MMA when he keeps avoiding Pacquiao?
Think it's time to delete your comment
+Klash716 He beat a guy with a torn rotator cuff. Wow you really shut this guy up^^.
Torn rotator cuff? Lmfaoooooo. Before the fight in the weigh in pacquiao raised he hands. He throws combinations and missed but showed no signs of pain. His corner never massaged his shoulder in the corner once. Where is the MRI scan? Do you even watch boxing or are you just saying what you've heard from others? Lmfaooooo. Now he arm is "healed" from salt
Water. Looool. A rotator cuff is a serious injury
Klash716 Yeah no shit which is why there was going to be a class action suit filed against him for playing injured.
***** Don't tell me, tell the moron known as Klash that he wasn't fit to fight.
Theres so much money in boxing he would never change. If Mayweather was trained as an MMA fighter from childhood he would be at the top. Its alot harder to get to the top in boxing simply because theres alot more guys trying to get there.
I love revisiting this interview because it shows that Ken Shamrock and Pat Miletich were the only guys that understood the business and they were the original OG's of MMA,they knew to embrace rather than to destroy the idea, these were legends that fought some hard fights for very little cash and knew what a Prime Mayweather would have brought to the sport of MMA,I dont even like Floyd but this was pre McGregor era and Brock had only started his MMA journey when MMA was still fighting for relevancy and recognition globally
Stupid, he makes more money than all MMA fighters combined. It's harder to be great in boxing because of its long and competive life of over a hundred years. When a wrestler comes into MMA at an older age and becomes a champion in a few years it's obvious the competition is weak compared to Boxing. Floyd Mayweather has been honing his skills for 30 years against the best competition available. It's going to take decades for MMA to catch up.
Honing his hugging skills for 30 years, because bitches love hugs.
I'm not sure how true this is but Teddy Atlas says it takes two to hold each other. In other words two fighters purposely holding after initial contact are making an unstated agreement to rest. If a fighter really wants to keep fighting he can push off and keep throwing punches. I knew Pacquiao was going to lose when he stepped back after getting Mayweather against ropes fearing a counter-punch.
He hand-picks opponents. Wonder why he didn't pick to fight Cotto again?
nobody gives a flying fuck about how much money floyd has hed get choked tf out
Andre Lewis Exactly money can't buy you a victory especially when you're in a sleeper hold.
Totally. Not to mention the added advantage of controlling the fight. For instance, keeping away with leg kicks. The damage that leg kicks will cause alone, is more than likely enough to win the fight.
What do you mean? When I was a kid, we learned "Every fight eventually goes to the ground" as a mantra
Ken Shamrock put it perfectly. If the MMA community were to welcome him and get him trained, i think he would see the light about mixed martial arts.
boxing is art is a sport , mma is just like street fight anyone can do it, boxing you have to be very smart and talented.
mma>>>boxing
wow for how many times ive seen shamrock get his face pounded he is still very articulate, well spoken and smart.
FYI kicks are slow compared to punches and you can't throw kicks in combos like you can with punches, that's why punches > kicks in combat. You can have power but you have to land to make it count.
Thank you for thinking outside the box. Most ppl seem not to be able to do that.
Ken Shamrock is absolutely right. It would be huge for MMA to transition boxing fans with boxing's poster boy as a vehicle. HIs fans will follow him anywhere he goes. He could probably be very good if he were training with the right people and was dedicated to learning all the aspects of MMA.
Floyd’s smart because he went where the money was at, it’s 2019 and big named MMA fighters still get paid low compared to other athletes
i trained boxing for 2 - 3 years and now started muay thai and want to learn a little wrestling too ....boxing is very important in a fight and it helps me also when i spar in muay thai and i will still train boxing along with muay thai but boxing alone will never never never lead to success in mma because mma fighters also train boxing and kicks knees ellbows takedowns etc. ...but if a boxer trains a little wrestling or bjj and lowkicks and such stuff for a while then it would look differently
Ken Shamrock and Pat Militech stepped up a spot in my view after watching this video.
Two legends in the cage and obviously very wise men.
Out of all the comments, Ken Shamrock, Roy Nelson and Chris Horodecki's comments were the best.
Ken Shamrock is a smart man. Getting a name like Mayweather into MMA and cultivating his success could make everyone in the game a lot of money right down through to the grass roots if it was handled properly.
breaking arms and cutting circulation to the brain sounds pretty bad ass
Damn man, Ken is right.. stop expecting him to immediately step in with the big leagues.. I know they did that with Lesnar and a few others but still.. everybody pretty much starts at a basic level, so I say give him a chance.. if he learns the ins and outs with a strong boxing background, I think he might be something to pay attention to..
funny how they only talk about boxers coming to ufc but never talk about top mma fighters coming to boxing
Conditioned is a relative term. The conditioning required for an MMA fighter is a lot different than that of a boxer. When it comes to pure cardio, of course a boxer is. However MMA fighters have other things to condition. The ability to take blows all over your body. I guarantee an MMA fighters legs are a lot more conditioned than a boxer's. Also, joint and bone strength conditioning is hugely important due to grappling. Boxer's dont even have to worry about that stuff.
Thats pretty much what was said about James Tony before he fought Randy Couture. That didn't go so well. It would take a while before a fighter who is only trained in one style to become proficient enough in another to be truly successful as a mixed martial artist. All a grappler has to do is not get knocked out before getting hold of the striker. Which isn't that difficult. But at the same time, If the striker can learn to stop takedowns and keep the distance, they might have a chance.
It's not about being an expert, I'm just saying that anyone willing to participate in a combat sport deserves respect. I'm sure if you watched some MMA at the top level and learnt a little about the fighters and their abilities, you would love it.
Come on people realize that boxing does so well and is so powerful because there are countries not fans, but countries that back up boxers!!! MMA fighters have a fan base but they do not have a whole country backing them up. That is why boxing and boxers are so powerful.
Boxing isn't a sport, more like an aspect. MMA is a sport no questions asked, hands down.
"are those punches gonna stop the takedown?"
Yes. Real life isn't a video game; going for the takedown doesn't make you temporarily invulnerable.
@ScholarlyGentleman81 Not to mention punches. There are ways to distract strikers into putting up their guards and then using that as a way to close the distance. You don't use everything in MMA? How don't you? You strike with your hands, elbows, legs, knees, you fight on the ground, and can use submissions. Very few martial arts train in biting, gouging, groin shots, and hitting behind the head. There are some arts that train groin shots and hitting behind the head, but on pressure points.
Ken Shamrock is so funny...he is like "we're missing the boat on this" lol you can see the $ in his eyes.
Shamrock talking like a wrestling promotor personal differences aside and go where the money is. WWE taught him well.
WWF he was there before that shit became E
MMA goes back a long way check out the very first UFC and Pride fighting it was about the best fighter in their martial art fighting each other using just their own technique. now everyone learns several different fighting style just to survive eveyone would agree that grappling was the best when back in its days when the UFC just started if u dont like my comment watch the old UFC royce gracie fights he fought strikers and dominated u guys only know the fighters now theres alot of old legends
Roy Nelson looked so young...and Shamrock hasn't really changed at all.
And takedown defense. Dos Santos has a BJJ background too
Any pure boxer in MMA vs any guy with a respectable ground game the MMA guy will win 100% of the time in my book. Any good wrestler will be able to get in and take the boxer down without taking too much damage.
I absolutely LOVE listening to Ken Shamrock talk, as he speaks in an intelligent manner about everything. If he was to give a speech about gardening, I truly believe hardened master gardeners would listen to him & say, "hhmmmmm, he speaks truth, & I just learned something from him!"
What Ken said about embracing Floyd, training & grooming him so that he can be successful in MMA, because we NEED him to be successful, is about as level-headed an approach the UFC could possibly make in integrating Floyd Mayweather into competing in a UFC competition. ^^TRUTH!!!^^
SHIT!!! Is that a "Trident" on Pat Militich's hat?? I did not know he was a SEAL.
Learn something new every day! (now my respect for him is 10-fold, form 100%)
Shamrock is correct. Plus Floyd would train before stepping into the cage. But the cost for Floyd would be around 300 million dollars of setting fights aside. Chris Horodecki @3:00 called it correctly.
Boxers will always be out of their elimate when dealing with Martial Artist, that's what most people don't look at is the fact that you are dealing with trained Martial Artist who learn how to destroy and kill the agressor. When they fight MMA, the rules are ofcourse geared so people won't die, (no breaking necks, no soccer kicks, no 12 to 6 elbows, no kicking downed men, and ofcourse, let go when he taps out.) a boxer, is out of his eliment because unless he strikes first he'll always be ->
The heavyweight division is the great equalizer between the two. As long as Junior Dos Santos(the best boxer in mma) keeps KOing guys, then a boxer would have a chance in the heavyweight division.
@saponumberone Would you rather fight a battle with 10 percent of your arsenal or all of it?
i'm feeling what Frank and Pat said
Wow, you literally just described yourself, good job :)
Definitely MMA is more violent compared to boxing, and has more of difficulty of survival because it uses hands, feet , legs punching and locking.
But even having said that a boxer fighting in MMA bout would be his disadvantage.
at the same time a MMA fighter fighting in a boxing ring would also be his, because it's not their natural way of fighting .
they do both required a different understanding when it comes to fighting
MONEY DOESNT SAVE YOU FROM A FIGHT... SO PEOPLE NEED TO SHUT IT ABOUT WHO MAKES THE MOST MONEY
Frank is smarter than you may give him credit for.
@saponumberone All of these styles in their singular forms are great, and they're great for their own reasons, but whenever you pit them against each other, it really testifies to the strength, training, and determination of its fighters. Singular fighting styles may reveal cracks in other styles, but whenever you mix them all into one, you get to see its various uses under ever-changing circumstances. The problem comes when people are so used to being in the spotlight and suddenly get replaced.
But fighting consists of offense and defense. JDS has got awesome takedown defense (wrestling, judo) and kick-boxing/muay-thai skills for defending against kicks. He uses boxing techniques offensively (although modified for MMA), but w/o those defensive techniques coming from various martial arts he'd have no chance against anybody.
@ScholarlyGentleman81 Yes, it may be a slightly different story if you could do those things to me, but you won't be able to. Whenever someone has a dominant position on you, your body belongs to them. If someone applies a RNC, armbar, kimura, kneebar, heel hook, omoplata, etc., and you bite, gouge, grab the groin, pull hair, etc., then you're gonna lose a limb or pass out. You should really understand how powerful jiu jitsu/grappling is.
I'd love to see Mayweatehr in MMA. See how cool he is in the real world
@boxingfan6
So it makes sense for a boxing guy to fight in the ufc rather than a ufc guy to fight under boxing rules b/c a boxing guy can do everything he can and a mma fighter can do everything he can.
boxing is a section of mma
There's one point that needs to be brought up about Mayweather and his MMA debut. If and when it happens, many of boxing's supporters will be looking for their opportunity to pounce if he happens to win. From a career mindset, it will be smarter for him to be matched against a striker rather than a grappler. A grappler will keep him on the mat until he gets submitted or pounded out. Put him against Penn or Anderson Silva and he won't make it out of the first round.
well said bro lol i feel same way
Big Country
Roy Nelson😂😂
lol this is funny as hell
@dying2l Nut shots, it seems everyone gets one free warning then they deduct a point per round or DQ if fighter is unable to continue (K-1 fighters kick very hard.) Other than that you can't kick anyone with a knee or a hand down in the face or the same thing with the nut shot could happen. If you are both standing anything else is legal in MMA as far as kicking goes. You can still kick downed opponents, just not in the head after a few shots if it becomes a stalemate the ref restarts the bout.
Actually a ko sucks worse. A choke, the choker has control and makes you tape as you start to pass out. With a KO theres not only a concussion chance, theres a chance of more injury from the fall itself.
i agree with everybody's opinion Floyd could do good in MMA he just gotta take his time and learn the ins and outs of the sport
wat roy nelson said is definitely a tru factor
Ken "Missing the Boat" Shamrock
floyds defense is godly... with those little pad gloves his straight right hand leads and leaping left hook would do damage. his shoulder roll could still work with kicks and he is thee best counter puncher bar none. i just dont see him kicking and rolling around on the ground and thats a part of mma so yeaa, i think that 0 wouldnt last too long.
I would say exactly the opposite. Fighting against someone in a ground fight is far less risky if you know what you're doing AND if it is only 1 on 1. What I mean is, nearly everyone can throw a half way decent punch, but you rearly see total beginners coming up with a kimura or a triangle choke. Just doesn't happen.
@kladrix08 Yeah. It's the same in the car scene, some muscle car ppl hate imports, and viseversa, but not all.
floyd must join track and field games. he need a huge space so that he can run around and let his opponent chase him.
Ray Mercer said MMA makes boxing look easy. MMA is infinite, other combat sports are finite. That's why he said they are worlds apart. Many people that you call "okay at a lot of things" are also masters/world champions & Olympians in their previous crafts. It all comes back to what Bruce Lee said
"The best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt to any style, to be formless, to adopt an individual's own style and not following the system of styles."
Top boxers are such good punchers they would undoubtedly win some fights. Tony lost to randy but u cant judge on one fight. Valasquez got owned in 30 seconds by dos santos- it happens. But boxing is like a sparring match compared to MMA a lot of the time
He's a boxer with the rare skill of being able to prevent takedowns from NCAA wrestlers and BJJ practitioners. 99.9% of boxers just don't need to develop that skill and therefore don't have that skill and would subsequently get choked, armbarred or spend an evening getting their back grated against the octagon fence by some aggressive wrestler.
Hopefully one day there will be more money in mma then boxing
says alot about the state of boxing when fighters like mayweather b hop and james toney talking more about mma than there own sport
shamrock has it right. Train and teach him the skills and make him successful. It will blow mma wide open.
@Shadow2271 yea but he only does it when his opponent is rocked so he can just show off for the fans
@tylerblogger that's true, but there is a thing call defense that not very easy to learn. if you seen maywether fight, tell me how many time has he been knockout? cut? bleed?bruised?or a black eye? you think its easy to learn boxing defense?? im sure any mma fighter could just focus more on striking and become a great boxers
Many MMA fighters have boxing backgrounds & many statistically do better in boxing than MMA because it's harder to remain undefeated in full body combat.
MMA adds more elements than mayweather can begin to comprehend.
As much as I sometimes disagree with Mayweather, I think if he LEARNED MMA he would be great. He would have to contend with, having a smaller purse, and being able to handle a loss. His style would most likely mirror Cung Le. Cung Le CAN grapple but he doesnt like to, and his style revolves around avoiding takedowns, staying on his feet and throwing kicks. Mayweather would be similar. Learn grappling but dont prefer it, check kicks, style revolved around avoiding those things and using hands.
ken is really smart about this
FYI, nothing in the human body generates more force than a kick. That's why we KICK doors down, more force than a punch.
ok "WILLY BOY" Hahahahaha
Vitali Klitscho started out as a kick-boxer. I think he would have a good chance still.
Manny Pacquiao + ground game + leg kicks = mma champion
I enjoy these dabates because I get bored sometimes, but lets be honest, both sports have great athletes and fighters who deserve respect from the fans and eachother. I prefer boxing but I wouldn't discredit an MMA fighter. Likewise I liked MMA before being a big boxing fan but I never in my life took boxers for being unskilled. The sports are different in so many ways, why cant they coexist?
@hustleboy62 Who said Lesnar had an iron chin, to my knowledge it hasn't really been tested short of the two poundings he took in his last two fights. MMA is the sport of fighting, it is a full body combat sport knockdowns score more than takedowns. Cain punch's as hard as most heavyweight boxers, most MMA fighters (especially the old pride fighters) didn't start fighting in MMA for money or fame. They did it for pride & spirit of competition, something most boxers forgot about like Mayweather.
@coolasacoldsummer Nice front kick to Mayweather's chin from Silva would see him to A&E
i think pacquia would be better in MMA than mayweather... it would be impossible for mayweather to win by decision, eventually he would be taken down. manny is quick and explosive enough to maybe finish early with ko's... if you dont have a ground game then you better be a smart brawler with hands of stone.
A lot of smart men in this video. All but the one being discussed, that is.
I suppose.. but if you watch Badr Hari (who just went to boxing) or Allistair Overeem, guys that kno how to strike with all 8 striking points, as opposed to just two.. The boxer will always have a punchers chance.. but the striker will have an advantage by being able to set up strikes by kickin their legs/ribs/etc.. but also like u say, boxers could be beaten by grappling.. which is the central base for all MMA, so naturally MMA fighters will take down boxers fairly easily..
@saponumberone And that doesn't degrade boxing. In boxing, you're only punching and moving around (to put it bluntly, I realize it's more than just 'moving around'). You don't have to be flexible for kicks or grappling (you really have to be flexible for rubber guard and gogoplatas), you don't have to squeeze and struggle on the ground, and you don't have to know the things that mixed martial artists know. It's irrelevant really for a boxer to know jiu jitsu, since it can't be used in boxing.
yeah for running