When you play CK3 for the first time as a EU4 player
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what? no coalitions in this game, sign me UP!
Not yet that is, they have defender pacts instead XD
Yeah... the coalition is a bit weird
Play ck2, plenty of coalitions there
@@olivenkranz i don't wish to feel any more pain
@@AportuGeese Imperator also doesn't have coalitions.
Painfully close to my first game.
EU4 player, started with the exact same character and unified Ireland (and formed the kingdom).
My next ruler was quite shit so there was a faction war, they won and forced him to abdicate and his brother took the throne while i was at the starting point with a 5 years old character.
The 5 year old was a genius.
That guy went on to reclaim the throne of his grandpa from his uncle and he later conquered both Scotland and England.
I'll never forget him.
That touched me
Ah yes, the CHAD character, every CK3 run you have one like this, not like in eu4, if you have something better than 3/2/3 the fucker dies
@@alois9022 Reminds me a lot of my boy scouts leader.
And this it what makes CK great! "Losing" creates the best stories.
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour where?
Irish petty king: "imma take a small piece of the Irish boonies!"
*1000 miles away in a land lock kingdom*
Chad Bohemia: "B*tch sit down before I make you!!"
What gets me is it took him that long they had time to turn up.
That baffles me also wouldn't want to think of their supply situation
@@jameswg13 the supply doesn’t work that way in ck3
Also sieges were very difficult in the early medieval period
@martinrosenberger241 I've played the game extensively. The bohemians supply would have been really weak by the time they got there. Also sieges do take a while in CK3 but that's why you have siege equipment men at arms.
@@jameswg13 yeah thats why I say early medieval, the AI goes for cheap things and the sieges equipment is pretty expensive, in early game.
Depends from what I know if they travelled by large supply counties and not the Eastern german ones they are going to have supply, apart when you go into sea, your armies don’t experience loss of supply for a couple months.
this is literally how i play ck3
ironically its the only way to play
The other way is... focussing on roleplay over conquest I suppose?
@@blackkray1168or you could use intrigue and diplomacy instead?
@@blackkray1168 If that's how you enjoy playing your game it is the only way. I wouldn't choose the CK series if you love to just play RISK.
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour I've no idea what risk is
I was a CK2 player that jumped over to Eu4. I imagine this is what I look like in reverse.
I actually was the same as you :D
Lol, my very first EU4 game was an Irish minor
@@superdestrier9160 oof I feel for you
Just remember, Agressive Expansion is just a number.
I was the same, I jumped into a war, beat them got 100 warscore, demanded peace and was confused why I hadn't annexed the nation.
Allies will literally sail across the world to drop a 7k stack on you.
Eu4 Allies vs Ck3 allies be like
To be fair the reason this happens is because the AI doesnt really have mich else to do if they're not invading you
@@callmefox630 People in the middle ages needed some entertaiment
Allies in Eu4:Ehhhh idk man I dont think its worth the manpower and besides im so far away anyway. Good Luck though also help me with Turks please. Allies in Ck3:My brother in Christ while I am on the Otherside of Europe I shall cross the danube the russian steppes and into the frozen north just to help you with the barbaric finns. While most of my men will die on the way I shall be there for you!
"Autonomy but reversed" a best sentence to define CK
To define Control, you mean?
@@jonathanallard2128 yes, more control, less autonomy
I play these games like a war obsessed idiot and it works, any strategy will work as long as you have enough meatbags to throw at the enemy
And pop opinion plummets, ripping the realm to shreds if not careful. I was a bit careless in my Jerusalem campaign when everything went up in flames...well.
@@RainBrain26 The "Offensive war" negative is ridiculous, you can watch the AIs stalemate each other for five years and be fine, but don't YOU dare attack someone for over six months or your peasants will commit death by run into your knights
@@RainBrain26 Eh i can manage
I love to go full role play. I remember a certain CK II campaign where my mate was the Byzantine emperor and I was his LOYAL advisor with the rank of king. Needless to say, I spend 124 years trying to exterminate a lesser Italian line because one daughter had rejected my advances and my grandfather, the late king, consequently turned to the emperors beloved mother to drown my sorrows, which got him executed after I supported the wrong rebellion.
All went well afterwards until the third king made a pact with the devil and it turned out that being evil made my own son hate me so much that that he had me captured, blinded and that would himself go on to be known as ”the Italian” due to some mod and taking over Italian lands.
Never gave into depression faster when the option finally appeared AFTER 67 YEARS! He was aged 91 in the end! 14th oldest man in the world, I checked!
And THAT is why I love this franchise.
And i like when people conquer almost all of europe and still have less troops and less income than tall players.
HOI4: Victoria II, I can explain
Vic II: You have decent naval combat? Mine is garbage!
EU4: Your naval combat is garbage? Mine is useless!
CK3: You guys have naval combat?
Eu4 ai allies: attaches 7 different 3k armies onto yours so you take 5.0% attrition in any other province than farmlands
Ck3 ai allies: will jeopardize the stability of their realm to defend you and their allies
There's a season for peace (bad economy & internal troubles) and a season for duchy/kingdom hunting (allies aren't currently occupied in a war)
Oh no, in certain wars I’ve had, like crusaders I will have 2 4K armies and the 25k stack of my allies will just follow one of them eating all the supply in a 5k supply limit
@@thesebastanian567 crusade AI is just extra idiot to compensate the times they can be competent helping you
Don't you love how the landlocked Czechs can just walk to Ireland? I love how that means the Zhangzhung could walk there with no problems too.
No because they will die of attrition
@@warthoggoulags1679 the AI doesn't take attrition... so yeah
@@12345Granada Where did you hear that? They do take attrition, however it doesn't seem to care so they get attritioned to death in any big war
@@icantcomeupwithagoodusername uh ok, maybe i didn't pay enough attention.
Also, there are not naval battles or blockades in CK. So the sea is not a relevant factor
Ah the famous Czech navy...
It's really worth czeching out
@@sosukelele Underrated joke!
Czech navy has 100% winrate (we sunk a russian steamboat once)
Ahoj 🫡
First time i played EU4 i was like "Oh you can have ONE claim and take the whole country in the peace deal that's amazing" lol
Coalitions: let me introduce
Overextension 300% @@thedharex
Me, playing for the first time playing games like ck3 and eu4 coming from hoi4 splitting my army 20000 times to cover the whole border
@İslam Aydoğmuş that's why I said border
Lmao I did exactly this, couldn't understand why my troops were being insta-killed and why I couldn't move past forts
The whole concept of friendly and enemy units being on the same tile took really long to get into my brain
I started with CK2 to EU4...
"No character traits? No roleplaying?... ok" (it was 2015 btw)
"Playing tall is hard... what the..."
"I don't have to return my army? Chill."
"Only three units?! Nice!"
"Technology by mana? Chill. Really useful."
Is it even possible to play tall in eu4?
@@anyoneatall3488may. and it's very nice and chill
@@terssi6228 so, you aren't sure?
@@anyoneatall3488 Ofc i'm sure
the Netherlands is ideal for this
@@terssi6228 oh, i had heard eu4 was just a map painter
(This comment is for ck3 newbies out there)
One thing they forgot about Crusader kings game is that "YOU" play as the "Character", not play as yourself irl / a country.. In other words RP (Role playing)
That is the definition of this game
I've been doing that with my latest playthrough creating a dynasty of many crowns. I could have created an empire long ago but I thought nope I would rather create a domination of my dynasty while also still having a lot of risk
I mean yeah otherwise what would be the point. You get to feel like a king but likewise feel the pain of being a king
Finally a historically correct Bohemias
I was massively put off by the partition stuff, so when i did finally decide to play CK3, it wasn't before reading a big guide on how to deal with that.
I'm currently on my second a game, where I've turned Bohemia into a lightbulb on the Development map mode.
I didn't like it as much before, because I was used to number cranking from EU4. But ever since i started more roleplaying, I am having way more fun with CK3.
Sometimes I kind of abandon my old realm and leave it in the hands of my family and conquer new territory for me and my sons.
Can you link the guide you watched to me? I never know how to deal with it, and couldn't find any useful guides.
@@ShiftySheriff2 Right click your shitty heirs => Disinherit. There's your guide lol.
I would just disinherit all non player heirs
@@ShiftySheriff2 only hold on to 1 duchey title as a king and 1 kingdom (until you get Emperor) the game likes to give thos evenly and you get the capital too of the duchey
Ohhh yes this is me. And I still think that having to raise your armies after a declaration of war doesn't make sense. Also, peace deals suck in CK3
Because at the time there were no standing armies. Rulers had to raise them, and historically that could take a very long time. However, it would be cool to raise them before a war to be prepared to attack right away. And yes, peace deals suck, they have in ck2 as well. It would be nice to have more advanced mechanics
I think it’s more about balancing rather than historical accuracy, having your armies raised right before declaring war wouldn’t be fair for your enemy since they aren’t prepared.
@@senseishu937 would be cool if they were expensive as hell and your are just able to fight for some months as an extra warfare balancing mechanism
@@checkcommentsfirst3335 oh maybe like the vic2 mobilization mechanic, it takes a while to mobilize fully
@Skanderbeg yeah they should be turks
Bon retour parmi nous
There is certainly an aspect of CK which is similar to that of EU4, but they focus on different things, to think CK is inferior because it doesn't have features of EU4 can go the other way, EU4 doesn't have many of the dynastic features of CK and it feels watered down with anything related to characters, they aren't actual people but just things the empire can use.
Well, EU4 marriages feel like gambling games, rather than actual people making familiar unions.
Who said CK was inferior?
When I've discovered EU4 I've lost interest in Civilization because it was too toyish. Like chess vs Total War, in one you just move pieces on a board, in the other it's simulating real life.
Then I've discovered CK2 (and now CK3) and lost interest in EU4 because now EU4 was too toyish. Everywhere where EU has one abstract number like stability, CK has countless characters all having their own opinion on you and each other.
One can say peace deals are a downside of CK. Why can't you declare a war for one county and then just grab the whole kingdom? Well, because it actually puts more emphasis on casus belli and makes you care more about other mechanics outside of moving troops around which can bring you the right casus belli.
CK is far better at simulating dynasties and personal things, but EU4 has a far more complex economy, military, and such. It really comes down to your style and where your interests are
@@evanator3521 From what I understand, you play CK if you want to play as the dynasty, and you play EU if you want to play as the country.
@@HanakoSeishin I can't go back to total war (yes I know actually controlling the armies is a big draw) or civ with their waiting for AI turns to end. Just give me a long load time on game start and then no mas please
Le retour du roi.
Unrealistic. He knew immediately how to order troops.
That is so accurate. I love the end hehe
Czech navy is almost as unexpected as spanish inqusition.
as someone who never played ck and only eu4, I absolutely dont understand anything but it didnt look too bad until the end
Well, let me explain:
EU4 focuses on colonisation and government.
Crusader Kings focuses on characters and dynasties. I'd even say that CK is more RPG/Sims-like game rather than a strategy.
@@davidsekhleyan693doesn't ck3 focus on government as well?
When I first got CK3 I opened it, 'played' it for 5 mins in a really confused state and then closed it, feeling like I would get a migraine if I tried to understand it. The next time I opened it was about a year later and then properly got into it.
Before that I was a huge EU4 player, now CK3 is my primary game.
Ck3 is easy so long as you don't do something too stupid, like try and invade Rome
I was the same about CK2, and now I’m not sure about getting CK3.
You played way better than me when I started. I didn't know how to declare wars and I also had my armies raised at all times (certified hoi4 player). I also had absolutely no clue what the council did.
I started as Ireland. First character unified the whole of the island. Second character defended the Island from civil wars and French invasion. Third character married the daughter of the king of England, then killed the king and his heir so that my wife was Queen. Fourth character is now the king of English and Ireland. He also has a major civil war since he is eight
I just hope when they get EU V out that it mirrors CK3 and Vicky 3's UI and systems makes it easier to learn and keep knowledge passed around all their games instead of learing 50 different games for 1 mega campaign
Similar ui's kills the souls of those games also makes them less tall I hate similar ui's :/ dont get it why anyone likes it you'll be like playing same game but in different skin as a ck2 player I already hated ck3
Thats not only because ui btw ck3 feels like early access and yes ı have all dlc's
@@lethean1757 Somebody that agrees with me.
С днём конфедеративного разлеления!
Love the ck2 music
In ck3 you may win a war by luck or you can study and use the terrain and supply limits to your advantage meaning you can win wars where you are clearly outnumbered.
You can scheme your way to victory and deal with angry vassals who want you dead.
You can become a vassal of a mighty king or emperor, just to eat up his land from the inside.
You can make or break your legacy by marrying your oldest daughter to everyone from a powerful ally to your brother. This and much more in Crusader sims 3
That succession got me laughing hard :D
That's exacly what happened in mine first game, exept i accualy formed Ireland at the end before collapse xD
This was me when I first picked up CK2 as an EU4 map painter 😂 though the UI was much less friendly than the CK3 one is
And Fabricate claims was MTTH 😭
Bohemian ships at the irish shores - bahaha! This is not a sentance you utter every day.
reminds me of when i played eu4 for the first time as a hoi4 player, got me rolling
😂the separation
Yeah i also think that being not able to declare war when having army up is weird :x I mean i also know that medieval armies wasnt always standing, but mostly about conscript peasants. There were units that were standing - mostly those elite ones and garrisons.
Disinherit is a really powerful and crucial tool
i switch from HOI to CK III and iv got absolutly no idea how to declare war. This vid was something like tutorial, so now i know that i need fabricate claim on state. THX
It was the opposite situation for me. I remember I deleted my entire army because I thought I had to raise it later during war 😭
CZcams’s targeted recommendation algorithm getting a bit too good for me
You actually have fun playing the game in CK3
I thought you would do a PU only run.
The fact ck3 dont have a PU system and you can just make your heir inherit anything as if you conquered it is very satisfying
Technically when you are holding two kingdom titles it *is* a sort of personal union since two separate kingdoms are united through one ruler
@@lukasbelan2109 That.. is actually a really good way to look at it.
@@candyman_315 and with the new culture system once the cultures accept one another you can create hybrid cultures / joint cultures
Love Crusader Kings 3
When he began attacking again it got really painfull
also happened to me when I got my hands on ck3 for the first time. it was the day I bought new pc to play crusader kings, I actually was broke after attaining new computer and had asked my friend to send it as gift to me 😂
I was playing as matilda of Tuscany and she passed away right before I got 500 ducats to create Italy title
after my realm broke into 4 independent duchies I got overthrown in a faction war and it was a game over for me
those days I was dipping into the game were really satisfying, what could be better than spending evening with hot drinks and managing ur virtual puppet monarchs
I like ck3. It does a lot of things right (it has a working tutorial for example ...). However, it does feel like a bit of a bare-bones foundation rather than a game I can invest thousands of hours in (like eu4 and ck2). Some mechanics are also a bit under-cooked or severely unbalanced. I am sure the game will improve over time with DLC, but man ... I sure hope DLCs not only add mechanics, but rework some that already exist, because oh boy MaA are not balanced as is at all.
I mean, look at EUIV & CK2s release.
Insanely bare bones.
Play EU4 without mods and it is without a joke *unplayable* compared to the full Monty version
Try pkaying crusade kings 2 without dlc. Just base game. Everything is locked except for catholic kingdoms. Not allowed to play anything elese
@@M1K3LL3AHY EUIV's basegame without mods really is bad.
@@Arcaryon eu4 base game isnt that bad compared to ck2. However it is still kind of silly. e.g. mission which you cannot complete etc
I perefer my rulers as three numbers between 1 and 6
I prefer them between 3 and 6
I perefer my ruler married with is mom
Lmao you forgot to form kingdom of Ireland, which causes all of your land to get split into multiple independent realm
Since I literally know nothing about CK3 or CK in general, am I assuming you're playing correctly or are you doing some wacky things that you're usually not supposed to do?
He didn't create the Kingdom of Ireland title with the land he conquered. This means that he was stuck as a Duke and when the default partition law kicked in after his death, everyone who inherited the land also became dukes. You can't have Vassals who are the same rank as you so they became independent and he had to start off at square 1 again. Also (this is more a personal preference it's not 100% necessary) you should try to just straight up conquer land instead of vassilising people so you can give the land to someone of your Dynasty as it makes them less likely to hate your guts
and you get a free hook on them.
What i did in the video is mostly ok, was more to focus on the reactions about some mechanics from CK3 in the eyes of a EU4 player.
The only bad play is that i should've formed the kingdom of ireland instead of spending all my money on feast, hunt and pilgrimage. So when my character died I would still have all ireland.
But even without that, the game is still playable since all ireland is controlled by my dynasty.
I dunno whats going on, but wheres the AE?
@@stoyanb.1668 CK3 has no infamy system and you can conquer all you like. Land is also more valuable than in EU4. The catch is holding land is infinitely harder than it is in EU4.
@@genericwhitemale9566 but they have a claim for your titles and you get negative opinion from vassals if you declare war a lot in a short period of time
True shit starts when you try to keep your empire from collapsing under its own weight
Yeah it’s annoying how sometimes you can only take a single county in a peace deal although it is to slow down growth of the countries, there are definitely ways to get around it though. Would absolutely like a more advanced peace deal system
''Who's stressed, I'm not.'' HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LITERALLY BRO :D
TRUCE BREAK WITHOUT STAB HIT???? POGGERS
Literally identical to my first time playing this game as an EU4 player with 2k hours xD
Famous Czechs in Ireland
I know exactly what you mean, it is soooooooooo confusing initially
As a EU4 player who has never toutched CK games, this feels very genuine
I played England on my first game and got slapped around
Tanistry elective FTW
Authentic Murchad experience
I first played ck3 then got Hoi4 and I'm waiting for eu4 because I'm not getting 300 dlcs for a game
Anyone else notice that he could've had a claim on the entire duchy at the start?
Do you know the soundtrack at 0:49 ? It's not in CK3 official track, and I'm not sure if it's in CK2
When i played for the first time and my allies actually came to help me 😭 and they were even semi competent compared to those eu4 “allies”
As an EU4 player I just can't help myself to not rush economy/research every game of CK3
Clergy dies spy network xDDD
That was literally me in my first game
I am reverse: I am crusader king player. With both CK2 and ck3 combined I have around 1400 hours. So I decided to play EU4. I start as Castile, I dethroned my hair, because I think maybe I can share monarch with Aragon so I can make it rule by Castile. Turns out that is other way around I become junior partner of Aragon. I had to fight war of independence with Aragon. Most importantly I learned allies sucks. You can’t called them in arms and you have to answer their call in arm. I can’t have act like crusader king series pretending in war but actually do nothing, enemy will hunt me down and took my land too.
In defensive war, allies might help you if they are in good shape (neither in debt nor war exhausted), but for offensive war you need to earn at least 10 favour from them first or promise them with the lands taken from enemies once war is concluded (if the enemies have territories your allies need). On the good side, an alliance in EU4 last very longer than CK3 where it usually ends up at the ruler's lifetime.
@@warapongkongpat9980 that’s good. I based on my new experience I think EU4 is game of building at the beginning. And I found it amusing that either Castile and Aragon are ruled by Casa de Trastámara and they’re rulers all married yet the Iberian wedding event still happen
@@JOE-ft3gq If you play as Castile, you almost always get to fight with Aragorn because of the border friction and of course they want your territories. You may ally with them but soon it will be broken. I usually ally with France instead since I need them as the barricade against the European mainland superpower like Austria. Then I focus on Italian peninsula and America.
@@warapongkongpat9980 so I don’t need to form Spain in game right?
@@JOE-ft3gq I'm not sure if forming Spain is part of Castile's quest line or not. Usually, finishing quest provide you benefit but is not necessary since sometime forming into new country would change your current ideas. I once played as Oda clan in feudal Japan, but never forming Japan though it's part of quest line since I like Oda ideas more and roleplay-wise (I like Shogunate).
As a hoi4 player can relate
Literally tried the same thing with CK3 with all Irish run to get a feel for things. The Vikings made things inconvenient.
Don't play as Ireland in 867. Ireland in 1066 is baby mode; Ireland in 867 is hell mode.
@@andrewmiller407 That was my painful discovery, yes.
Very close to my first game lol!
Getting allies in CK3 be like: *Confirms tinder date for son then receives 4k allied army from the sea, wins war*
When I First started playing, I was surprised to see that every religion has holy sites, rather than just Coptic and Zoroastrian.
Where’s the Colonization?
I literally play like this at CKIII
Same with my experience with ck2 lol its all fun and games until your enemy calls Charlemagne into the war i was crushed when I saw a 10k stack come in against my measly 600 troops.
charlemagne on his way to send his entire army because an irish fiefdom called him in
True story
How do EU4 players struggle with CK3? It's an infinitely easier gane
As an EU4 player i think that a lot of mechanics in CK3 are unintuitive (Vassal system, peace deals, the whole county > duchy > kingdom system, etc)
Yes, the game is mastered pretty quickly. Just did the video for the lols.
But the fun part is really on the character stories it creates even if it's still a little limited with royal court.
It's like playing chess and then playing checkers expecting it to be chess, it's very different.
@@firekingextreme7207 more like playing chess then playing dnd. One's about strategy the others about character stories
I have the opposite perception of these two games. All the lifestyle specific mechanics took me a lot of time to wrap my head around, while EU4 was pretty straightforward. Maybe because I was a EU3 player.
when a HoI4 player plays CK3:
*declare war declare war declare war declare war declare war declare war*
Does anyone know what the background music is?
was looking for it too it's Crusader Kings II Soundtrack - In taberna
but the game really begin after your 1st death. and your heir takeover and their 5 siblings are fighting for the throne you just inherited :)
Im so confused rn.
I went from ck2 to eu4 lezgo
« Grandiose balls »
This soundtrack from CK2 doesn't appear on CK3?
It does but its another version which is copyrighted
Ничего, к такому повороту событий меня подготовила игра за Майя
А то там у них?
@@markrav1 система коллапсов, точно не помню, но захватываешь где-то 20 провинций, берёшь реформу и от тебя отваливается где-то 60% страны, и так 5 раз. После 5го можно провести особую реформу, как и у всех американцев, получив все институты и где-то 70% технологий соседней страны(европейцев, если они приплыли, обычно).
I don't understand what's happening and I don't know if ck3 is harder then eu4
And non complicated peace deals and non complicated diplomacy is what hurt most in CK3.
What is the song name?
>Could take a claim on the whole duchy
>Doesn't
Ngl that made me mald somewhat
An Eu4 player would say: What?
My allies are useful?!
600 h in eu4, once i played ck3 never get back into eu4...
What's the name of song
Song name?
Where problem
It’s works in ireland, try this shit it middle east as christian or zoro country, then you will know the pain