My Latest Thoughts on Paul--A Delightful Conversation with a Muslim
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"Galatians should not be Scripture" and "Romans proves Paul lied" I humbly submit we've all been told lies in the name of God and Jesus. Muslims are right to reject all of Paul's writings - so did the followers of Jesus for over 300 years.
@barnsweb52 can you explain I'm intreaged
Dr Tabor. This is perhaps one of your very best interviews I’ve heard and honestly I’ve listened to a majority of your CZcams videos. You unpacked this material better than I’ve heard anyone do so and it really resonated with me today. I thank you 🙏
An awesome conversation, Dr. Tabor! One of my favorites now! Thanks for sharing!
Wow! This is awesome.
Thank you Mr Pinna and Dr Tabor for an enjoyable and educational conversation.
Yes as James & Peter are overshadowed, if not ERACED by Paul.
If they even ever existed
@@JasonHenderson James the lesser was his son as Paul is the Just, Cephas 'his Highness' was actually only his Servant ; Lucius sergius or his fellow demote co-worker Demos. Funnily paul in Acts writes Cephas for orders how to persecute 'lost fellows' . that is a reversal of the factual power-relations. Or it is 'lukes' way to say ; The servant had power over the master, and was the real culprit of the atrocity ! They did exist.
@@willempasterkamp862 so we have Acts has evidence for James and Peter's existence?
@@JasonHendersonthere is more evidence for Paul and Peter’s existence than for Napoleon ever existing.
@@JustinTyme33 If your religion is not heavily influenced by Napoleon then this is a stupid thing to say.
This is by far my favourite video of James's, can't stop coming back to it, it's so good.
...because Saul of Tarsus/"Paul" had his "Road to Damascus" epiphany several YEARS after Jesus' crucifiction in 30 C.E., -- AND Paul never claimed to have seen Jesus in the 'living flesh' -- much less spent sufficient time with him to 'know' his personality & speech pattern -- Why do we give credence to Paul's claims that his 'Guide to the High Realm' was the Same Jesus whom that Messianic Preacher's followers & family knew intimately in life..?
Paul does claim to see Jesus in the flesh. Road to Damascus he claims there are witnesses who saw and heard. Also Paul says 1 Corinthians 15:5 (KJV) And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:1 Corinthians 15:6 (KJV) After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.1 Corinthians 15:7 (KJV) After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.1 Corinthians 15:8 (KJV) And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
Clearly contrary to Jesus saying Matthew 24:27 (KJV) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. The east and west was used in plural in Greek so from everywhere no private viewing for Joseph Smith and paul.
Pseudo-Clementine Homilies 17 is Peter's response to Paul after Paul badmouthed him in Antioch, or his dressing down of him after he, Paul, got bagged and had to state his case in Jerusalem. In this homily even Peter expressed scepticism of Paul's vision of 'Jesus'.
...AGAIN, @@forYAHSglory-- since (S)Paul had NEVER Met Jesus during His life-time -- and there would have been no "Realistic Art" depictions of J.C. (like the mass-produced "WANTED--Dead of Alive" posters of the American Old West), HOW could (S)Paul:
1. Be FACTUAL in 'Earnestly' claiming that the 'Individual' who took him on his Psychoactive Heavenly Trip, or;
2. Given such a detail-rich description of Jesus -- be it the distinctive color or texture of his scalp- & facial hair, the sound of his voice, the cadence of his speech -- ANY detail that would permit more than a few of Jesus' Original Core Followers who DID know Jesus in life: 'Yep...that sure sounds JUST Like Him"..?
You, for instance, could contact my wife or my brother-- Claiming that you had met ME someWhen- & someWhere -- to 'forward My Instructions' to make YOU the New Owner of our Company-- and Sole Beneficiary of my Investments- & Life Insurance.
Should they Just "Accept YOUR Word" on that?
If your answer would be "Of COURSE Not..!", Why should the Remaining Faithful of Jesus have Accepted (S)Paul's WORD that HE had received Jesus' LAST' & MOST-DETAILED Audience...between 3- & 6 YEARS post-crucifixion..?
@@forYAHSglory
Not as having come Yeshua showed himself to Shaūl as living.
Dr Tabor, I would love to hear your understanding of the role of Barnabas in accepting Saul (later known as Paul) into the faith and later into reaching out to Gentiles with the gospel of Christ. I really admire your scholarship. Thanks for working so hard now that you're retired!
You do know the word gentile is not written in any bibical text. Only the Latin translation replaced the word nation with gentile. The Israelites were Gentiles. They were 12 separate Gentiles.
Paul did say that he persecuted the followers of Jesus, but did he ever say that he stopped or he was wrong to do so?
Or, Paul could have made this up to make his conversion story more convincing to gentiles
@@JasonHenderson that doesn't make sense. The disciples were openly afraid of him.
@@mikewilliams235 or, Paul made the disciples up. Just like Josh McDowell made up the group of christians who made fun of him and let him to investigating the claims of Christianity
@@JasonHenderson could be true but I don't believe that.
these fellows were rebels of from the right path, all his duty to 'scatter' this 'elects' . But Paul later on
regretted his formal behavior, it was the thorn in his flesh. And he was rewarded, punished for it as his
twin-co-workers rebelled against him and left him bitterly saddened alone.
Finally, been lookin for you for such a long time.... Go!
I think Paul was the most influential person in human history thanks to the criminal Constantine who reinvented Christianity in 325 CE.
This DESPERATELY needs timestamps
JamesTabor: Thank you! This was very informative!
Nowadays, we have ‘Christian’ prophets & ‘apostles’ who are bringing what they believe is new revelation to countless Christian churches.
There is even a new Bible ‘translation’, written by one of them, a translation that has become VERY popular! It’s called the Passion Translation, written by a man named, Brian Simmons.
Unfortunately, people don’t realize that the author has no training/education in linguistics. He claims that the ‘Angel of Passion’ gives him the translation and, -oh,- he may even be given another additional book to the Gospel of John!
This translation is the go-to translation for hyper-charismatic New Apostolic Reformation churches/centers. And, of course, he is now considered an ‘apostle’.
Great talk. I love that James Tabor is open to Apocrypha and even Gnostic Christian sources. As a Muslim, its obvious that Muhammad was educated on Gnostic Christian and/or Ebionite teachings. There's references to them throughout the Qur'an. Islam is very Gnostic in many ways, specifically Christian Gnostic. Muhammad was educated on religion by an older relative who was either a Gnostic or Ebionite.
People hate Paul and even claim he was a Roman loyalist that helped sabotage the Jewish revolt by opposing the Christians. I think thats possible. Some even claim he was the same figure as Josephus. That I would love to hear Tabor mull over.
Romans 16:11 (KJV) Salute Herodion my kinsman. Greet them that be of the household of Narcissus, which are in the Lord. Paul admits kinship with little Herod. Remember in ACTS the Pharisee said not to kill the early church but to let them go Acts 4:21 (KJV) So when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding nothing how they might punish them, because of the people: for all men glorified God for that which was done. Paul was looking out for his family the Herodion whom killed Jesus for sedition.
Being a Pharisee he was told not to kill the early church. The Pharisee's had no power in Damascus to persecute but Herod did. His cousin was Governor over the area.
Yeah so Gnostic. The demiurge, 30 aeons emanating out of the monad, Jesus as the divine son of Sophia, the centrality of gnosis, the lack of any laws. Islam is so Gnostic OMG FR
Yeah Muhammad was such a gnostic. Taught about the demiurge, the 30 emanations out of the monad, he taught that Jesus was the divine son of God, that gnosis was salvation, and was fiercely antinomian. Muhammad was obviously very gnostic.
It is not obvious that Muhammad was educated by an older relative. He was a tradesman, certainly he traveled and may have encountered different people. There is no report of him being educated by Christian relatives or he had any. Arabs were mainly nomads, and cared more about the camels than the religion.
I am amazed at how Dr. Tabor talks without moving his lips! Miraculous 😂
He hardly blinked.
he has a beard and I do asume he also wears a dress at home
;-)
Paul is the Deuteronomy 13 false prophet dreamer of dreams leading you away from Torah. He is the opposite of Jesus and he rejected the 12 apostles hand picked by Jesus. Jesus gave prophecy of pauls coming and nobody listened to him but Paul came in his own name and its him the world hears.
SSssshh, the little horn ; Conan the tiberian aka Cornelius !
@willempasterkamp862 No I think I will share this to pauls revelation comes true 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; When the world realizes Paul deceived them and he is the man of perdition is when I will stop.
The Jewish view that Jesus is the figure prophecied in Deuteronomy 12:32-13:5 is convincing.
If you believe that Jesus taught that he was himself divine, then it's case closed.
@@forYAHSglory Paul = the Just ; Drusus Germanicus. His son Gaius JC aka Caligula is the Son of perdition. The other 2 sons are the Twin ; Nero JC & Drusus JC . ( 3 little piglets )
@@willempasterkamp862 No Paul means the least. It's the derivative of pauluxas or less.
Kicked Paul to the dung heap awhile back...and definitely not too soon.
I have become a bit of a Tabor fan boy. I find his vast knowledge on the subject of Paul and the Jesus movement fascinating.
@9:39, Paul is also literally echoing Jesus on this topic of pregnancy during persecution or destabilized times.
And it couldn't be the other way around because..?
@@AnyProofOfTheseClaims make Paul a fantastic liar?
@@SatSingh-mm4gg Or the gospels got this from Paul? How is that out of the question? We know Paul preceded the gospels.
Would love hear your opinion Dr Tabor on the missing chapter of acts, acts chapter 29.
The whole bible is full of corruption and edits by scribes as Jeremiah 8.8 tells us. That's why we told to establish the word of truth by 2 or 3 witnesses line upon line precept upon precept and rightly divide/handle the word of truth (from lies). People who actually study the bible knows it's corrupted and those practice literary honesty don't care about the pushback and attacks.
Does a podcast with Jake Brancatella could take place Dr?
Better Khalil Andani
Marcion! It's asserted that he brought Paul into the Church. It's outta Tabour's range, but maybe he'll find noteworthy.
@1;15, "sexy subject"
Bizarre formulation
It is a very narrow view of things that are interesting. It reminds me of the word intercourse losing its meaning of general interaction and being narrowed to sexual activity. I think it says something about our way of thinking that isn't commendable and somewhat suspect.
Team Paul
❤️🔥 ☦️ ❤️🔥
Fascinating. Probably just coincidences of pronunciation and meaning, but there are three Jacob/Esau pairs, aren't there...an Edenic one, a proto-Judaic one, and a Judeo-Christian one...
Dr Tabor is a modern day Paul. Think about it.
Paul made it all up. The gospels are trying to fill in the cracks.
You say at 37:10, that, Everybody knows that Simon Magus is Paul. Please cite your authority for claiming that.
Curious that you got it in your head that Paul made it all up. Dr. Tabor who is no Christian, meticulously examines book by book, chapter by chapter what Paul got right. But you are so much smarter than Dr. Tabor, declaring Paul made it all up, why do you bother to listen to him?
@@robertgrant3844 I made a falsifiable claim.
Show me some evidence to convince me otherwise please. I really wish someone could.
@@robertgrant3844 you make an argument from authority. You did not disprove my claim that Paul made it up, or even offer evidence.
Paul was writing about Jesus decades before our next available written source that mentions Jesus. Mark's gospel. Mark heard about it from Paul's writings, then wanted to fill in some of the gaps.
Definitely very plausible. Paul wrote to the Galatians that he met James, THE brother of the Lord (Gal. 1:19). Then immediately in the next verse he says that what he's writing, he swears to God that he's not lying!
Paul never quotes Jesus in salvational doctrine. He does quote Jesus when he needs an exorcism
Why don't you actually read Paul letters before sharing false facts. Paul quotes Jesus words at the last Supper and quotes Jesus views on marriage. Paul never links Jesus's words to exorcisms so I don't know where that came from
@@X23Ninjano, Jesus quotes Paul. Paul wrote before the gospels were written. The gospel writers are quoting Paul
2 Corinthians 12:7 (KJV) And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.2 Corinthians 12:8 (KJV) For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.2 Corinthians 12:9 (KJV) And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.@X23Ninja
@X23Ninja There is Paul quoting Jesus. I can't post a third of the New Testament so you show Paul quoting Jesus.
@@X23NinjaThat is a clear cut example of admitted demon possession
Well, regarding whom they do and don't comnemorate, the Catholic Church must like folk music. They like Peter, Paul and Mary...
Very droll.
It’s also suspect that Paul said to baptize in the name of Jesus yet Matthew says to baptize in the father son and spirit
Why do you put a word like "to hell wilh him" into Paul's mouth?
Did Paul not know what your "hell" really meant with Jeremiah and its fire with Isaiah and Yeshua?
The word about howling and gnashing of teeth originally applied against the hateful actions of haters. It is their end announced to them.
If James is the beloved disciple, Jn 6, the bread of life discourse, seems to have a eucharistic context beyond Jewish blessings at meals.
Time stamp 16:00
There were no Christians until Paul became one. He persecuted the Essenes who were Jewish.
Yep
Wasn't saul Jewish
@@OneEpicEric I tend to believe in Saul/ Paul for personal reasons, there is very little evidence for the historical person.
@@OneEpicEricI think Paul was a ptolemaic greek; the son of Cleopatra and ?, Julius Caesar, Mark Antony or Herod
@@JasonHendersonthey covered up his ancestry; which was royal, not priestly. Cleopatra and ?
I am not a scholar but just a little fish in this pold of history of religion, but personally I do not think Ebionites had someting to do with Islam. Islam is massively influenced by Paul. Paul was the guy who started to believe average people can go to heaven (Paul didn´t believe in hell, but Muhammad did, but it´s because he was familiar with the later theology of Christianity, where hell already is). He was the one who made Jesus movement an universal religion available for non-Jews and Muhammad did the same, when he accepted non-Arabs. Ebionites rejected virgin birth of Jesus, but Muslim believe in it (because Muhammad was familiar with the later theology of Christianity, not because Paul believed in virgin birth). I am not sure but I think Ebionites even believed in crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, but Muhammad didn´t. People think Muhammad had to be in contact with theology of Ebionites because they both didn´t believe in divity of Jesus and they were still following Jewish customs (kosher and circumcision), but Paul believed Jesus was fully human so the only similiarty is following of Jewish customs and we know Muhammad was in contact with Jews and the hadith and the Qur'an were compiled in a dubious manner during the power struggles of the Umayyad Caliphate so there are other ways how could following of Jewish customs get into Islam. Prophet Muhammad didn´t mention Paul or James, bother of Jesus, he didn´t join their dispute.
The more I learn about the apostle Paul, the more I discover how much he influenced Islam. I can't list everything here because I can't remember everything right now, but I would like to thank Dr. James Tabor for covering this topic because I never would have figured it out without him. I know that I myself mentioned Muhammad was in contact with later version of Christianity and that´s why he believed in the hell and virgin birth so he would believe also in divinity of Jesus, because it is part of later version of Christianity, right? Well, when you look into the Quran, you can find many offshoots of early Christianity, especially their apocryphal gospels. You can see that Muhammad was in contact with different Christianities and Islam is a bit of a mix of them all. If he was only in contact with the theology of the Pauline letters, some apocryphal gospels (for example, the Infancy Gospel of Thomas) and some other sources containing hell and the virgin birth, then he would probably not even know that anyone considered Jesus to be God. When he learned of Collyridianism, with its special holy trinity, he automatically condemned it as a heresy violating monotheism, and marveled that anyone could believe in it. The Holy Trinity is still incomprehensible to many people.
I think that main difference in theology of Paul and Muhammad is that Muhammad firstly believed in Paul´s theology of salvation threw suffering, but he stopped in Medina. After years of seeing people follow him to death and seeing the suffering of his community, he had enough and decided to fight back. Jesus and Muhammad were in different positions. Jesus was judged alone, his followers were not judged with him, Muhammad´s community was. When Jesus would be caught, he alone would be killed, he only had responsibility for himself, this doesn´t work in Muhammad´s case. And Jesus and his community believed it doesn't matter anyway because the God´s intervention comes soon, because apocalyptism was a big thing in their time. But in the times of Muhammad, the judgement day didn´t come in nearly 700 year since death of Jesus. I know that many historians believe that Muhammad's community was also apocalyptic, and I also believe that it was, from the beginning when he fully believed in Paul's theology, but he changed his mind in Medina. When Muhammad saw the end of times is not gonna come soon and the Meccans did not give them rest even when they were in Medina and he has resposibility for all these people who follow him, he had quandary. He could run like the last time from Mecca, but Meccans would follow them. He coul still believe in the near end of times and non-violent way of life of Jesus and let him and other people suffer to get salvation, but he stopped to believe in those things. He didn´t want to see his community dying anymore, why should anyone suffer to go to heaven? And stopped believing in being absolutely non-violent, and that in the case of self-defense is violence acceptable.
I remember when I was driving with a Muslim friend from Kazakhstan and he asked me who Pul was. I answered him that an apostle, he asked me "Was he really an apostle?" I was like "Dude, you Muslims can call him prophet Paul, you have absolutely no idea how influential he was (in Islam)" and I also think Christians can call Prophet Muhammad, Muhammad the apostle, because with his theology that violence is accepteble in case of self-defense and people don´t have to suffer to go to heaven would agree the most of Christians.
I just read Thessalonians although I've read it before. But i read it with your argument in mind. I see him saying the same Jesus story as everyone else in essence. He's just more narcissistic and focused on his mission. He says he had his own revelation which is a great excuse for a narcissist. But it's the same story men, the same one
Human nature tells that Peter and James were complicit in Paul’s arrest leading to his martyrdom. That sect never accepted him and would not have even if Paul adhered to the Law.. Paul had enemies after Stephen’s stoning. On the other hand, James was stoned for what was considered as Paul’s betrayal. That’s my take.
Kingdom is here- Christ is King and Priest. YHWH is giving us time to turn to Him, Armageddon approaches.
James accepted Paul and Gentiles just enough because Paul arrived with all that money. Not to say he lined his pockets. But James (and those who likely pressured him) knew how money could be useful to the cause. When Paul got arrested and eventually executed. There had to be an uproar and resentment.
there s a lot of content, you think you could do a short summary on the most important points on why Paul is a false prophet ?
I'm amazed that Noone has caught this.... Paul's account of his encounter with Christ is a fairly standard account of spiritual awakening... except that Steven was much smarter than Paul. Look Paul's account and compare his symptoms to those of spiritual awakening.... Can u spot the Lie that Steven planted to alert enlightened men to Paul's deception?
Paul is why true Gnostics don't reveal the secret teachings.
Cleopas is Cleopatra
If Jesus existed, James was most probably his brother
Mark is Marc Antony
Paul built or created "Christianity", (something I don't even believe Jesus would recognize today),...off the backs of Jesus, his family, and Jesus's early followers and movement.
How does ANY HUMAN grasp equality from God? The only being who tried it and FAILED was Lucifer and he was nowhere near being human! Totally Ridiculous interpretation of Philippians Chapter 2!
What about Hebrews?
What is a lifetime? A breath or two, and then it's gone. The Church harmed itself when it allowed the Emperor Justinian to condemn Origen, Origen's writings, in the most hateful terms. What got cut out? Transmigration of souls (reincarnation). Apokatastasis = restitution of all things unto God in the end of the ages (the ultimate return of even satan to God as eternity plays itself out). In other words, no "eternal" hell. Otherwise, Origen surmised, you believe it two gods, not One (my paraphrasing). No reincarnation in the Bible? Matthew 17: 12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. Are you wiser than the disciples? Point is, THE END IS NEAR preaching does work if you're considering not many more lives before all these things come to pass. Definitely time to consider "works" and living the straight and narrow. Do "we" have yet another cycle? Doug Vogt puts "the end of the world as we know it" at 2046, October. I completely discounted Remote Viewers reporting a "kill shot" of some sort, and not seeing anyone alive by 2045. But then Vogt came along with his Gleisberg Cycles talk, and I began to seriously wonder. What did Plato say? Ten thousand years before his time there was an advanced culture destroyed. 11,000 years ago we had 4,000 feet of ice over New York State, Washington State. Dial forward about five thousand years, glaciers melting. Time for a Garden of Eden replanting. A 7,000 year scenario unfolds; and here we are very close to what Atlantis went through 12,000 years before. Point is? THE END IS NEAR. It always has been NEAR. And then a New Heaven and New Earth, afterward. Very little time to repent. What is it in the Greek? I can't spell Greek. But it sound like "metanoia". It means real change. Me? I'd rather be playing tennis; working on my chess game. END IS NEAR is a bad hair day to be standing before the Creator, as is. Fresh out of chewing gum. You grok?
I don’t think John the baptized was a literal incarceration of Elijah In Matthew 17. There is incarceration in the Hebrew culture.
The early Christian communities thought the return of Jesus or son of man was eminent. In Matthew 10 Jesus was supposed to have said:
“When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”
There is no ‘many more lives’ there. The claim was specific and to the point as to the approaching of the end.
Paulianity
I think Paul and most of the 1st century New Testament authors understood that you can’t get around Isaiah 11
Yeshayahu 11:1-3
And a shoot shall spring forth from the stem of Jesse, and a twig shall sprout from his roots.
And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, a spirit of wisdom and understanding, a spirit of counsel and heroism, a spirit of knowledge and fear of the Lord.
And he shall be animated by the fear of the Lord, and neither with the sight of his eyes shall he judge, nor with the hearing of his ears shall he chastise.
You can be god and fear god that the same time lol that I know you can in part attribute it to Hezekiah but Hezekiah only fulfilled part of the chapter not all.
This is to be filled by the second messenger mentioned in Malachi 3:1. The first messenger is confirmed in Luke 7:24-28. Jesus was God as man. And he came and entered His temple. Now we wait for the 2nd messenger when he comes malachi chapter 3&4 will take place. He is who Israelites have been waiting for. He is the one described in Isaiah 9;6 also
John Lennon was better than Paul😊
as to the 2nd Temple as a "Den of Thieves" under the chief priest Anas + his sons, try the novel-treatment,
"Jesus: Man, Not Myth" by Peter Snow
My favorite thing to listen to is a Jew give his thoughts on Paul, betrayer of Judaism.
Paul did create a new religion. Paul to Jews is the great deceiver. Roses are red violets are blue if it weren’t for Paul the whole world would’ve been Jews.
@@Eliezer1018 the Pied Pander has all colors
@lle7722 the whole world is Jews. Paul did nothing if the sort.
That’s a pretty close minded view of Paul
@romanpaganchurch
Peter calls Paul beloved and accuses people of twisting Paul’s message (2 Peter 3:15-17).
How did Paul betray Judaism?
Again there's isn't any thing to do with the title
Paul worship.
I hate long winded intros
Islam is what Jesus taught! That’s awesome
I didn’t get that idea from this discussion. I’d say more so that the core ethics of don’t lie , steal, cheat etc. are mirrored in all the Abrahamic faiths
Your a liberal is rigt
I know longer bring James Tabor into a status of mentorship. I believe this man just needs to sell books and profit from the stories of old.
His love for Paul and how he says yeah the other diciples stories. That tone and comment shows how Paul gives Tabor more contradicting insight to write books about and sell since w.e he say...could careless at this point.
Im convinced this man does not know the way. Only has a percieved insight in his own perspective.
Reproof is great. Coming together is great. Needing to make a living is understandable.
No faith or seeking guidance from James Tabor. He tired and old just like Paul. They only have their own understanding...
Im coming back to understanding beyond flesh. Listen to this...and quickly move on
QUICKLY MOVE ON.
Know even longer
Paul's letters come first and influence the Gospels. Yea sure James ....yawn
But they do tho. This is accepted by basically all scholars.
@@JasonHenderson bandwagon fallacy
@@andrewclemons8619 so scholars and historians dating stuff is a bandwagon? And church tradition is something else
@@JasonHenderson yes if youre only using the attestation of scholars to prove a point that's a bandwagon fallacy. What we wont see scholars doing in saying hey I believe this thing because most other scholars believe it. That's because they know it's not a reliable argument in my estimation.
@@andrewclemons8619 I didn't say they all accept it because they believe it. That would be stupid. They accept it because of the evidence.
Something being true because some authority figure tells you it's church history and it's true because it's church history would be a silly reason to believe something is true. This is not what I said.
I said scholars accept Paul was writing first and the gospel authors had access to his letters. They don't have to like it, but this is what the evidence shows
Paul is Imran, Saleh/saul and dhul Qarnain ( Cornelius, EL kanah, AL qavah ), the Unicorn.
Conan in the movie rips of the Horn of the Behemoth ; EL
cause his Zeal/soul was in that horn !
Again, Haruns 5 'sons' actually are maiden ; planets dressed in white/ivory clothes, Elkanites/ horny boys
Harun ( the rich man in 'hell' ) still has 'five' 'brothers' on earth, huh ! ? Lost boys, hé ?
Huqoq elephant mosaic gives 5 + twin + polar star = 8 dwellers (of from the right 'track' )
think Tabor, think more and see the Poors Light !
as Harun is the Axis Mundi at the head of the iron-maiden ( witted iron compared with elk ), the do-ers
Paul is his opposer and at the head of the doom-riders ( nicolaitans = evil-do-ers )
28:11 What they are means nothing to me. If I got message from Yeshua myself.
Pauls quote there. Speaks his own flesh. Speaks his own mind. Paul means nothing they way he thought of himself.
Only care about more. Paul is a funny guy just like any faulty philosopher or psychologist.
James Tabor continues to promote his books. Cool
Yeah nah...Paul is not the way. Not the truth. Nor the life. Just a man trying to compete in authority with James and many who've been with the messiah
This video proves. How only old covenant and a few new covenant is valid.
Everything else is people saying im this and that. I know this or that.
Our Messiah wants us to speak our insights. Like today
Always find and ask understanding from the creator of all.
Not CZcams videos. Not phony false noble flesh and man.
The contradictions in all and here is beyond going back to home. Just mote indifference and more trying to prove one another wrong
No way this James Tabor or many can say what is true to you.
Hasem, Yeshua, Ruach. All im good with. Paul he ain't the way never was. Never will be. Just a bitter man trying to find authority in his time
53:42 And this last comment from Tabor proves he is only speaking to his own understanding.
Never give authority to these CZcamsrs. Book writers to make profit.
Or churches who make you feel guilty on faith to tith to their phony storhouses.
Men are corrupt constantly. Great podcast. Never will any of you know they way.
40:20 That's Exactly what Paul is. An arrogant mind. Trying to say he knows more than those who met him.
Yeah no. NO James Tabor. You are just trying to sell your books to finding searching minds.
I like to listen to you. I'll never apply ur Mentorship. Only approved from most high. Which no one even you has that power. Will never have that power.
You are a mind of great info and knowledge. Never Wisdom for proper guidance only those who need you are elementary
Keep selling your books. I'll support. But I will expose all of you for the basic flesh of man that you are. You James Tabor and all your spoon fed followers.
Love 💕
Oh you lovely arogant