Spiff FINALLY learns the FULL FNAF STORYLINE
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The lore community at this point is just an insane asylum. Everyone is extremely confident in what they believe, but it’s all crazy.
And the inmates are running the aslyum!
I protect myself by not retaining any of it 😌 I’ve seen multiple hour plus long videos on Fnaf lore and I can’t repeat any of it now. They’re all contradictory anyway. I know there’s at least two purple people, and one of them sucks and never dies
Its not the community its the games they have such unclear lore you can hardly understand anything
Dude, this timeline LITERALLY DRIVE ME MAD. Because of how little Scott answers about what is considered canon and what has been retconned or not, it's literally impossible to place EXACTLY when the FNaF 3 minigames where William dismantles the animatronics take place.
Go ahead- TELL me when it takes place relative to the games or phone calls (in case you think the phone calls were recorded in different times than the games took place). Heck, even use the books if you want. For anything you can say, there is another part of the the games that can contradict it, all because Scott hasn't told us what is still canon anymore.
@@Numbabuwell the mean one is dead now so yay!
The amount of lore that wasn't mentioned in that video was immense
Its so unfortunate that i barely saw any chatters talking about how very misleading they were lol, like he got basically 60% of the story from those
because remnant
@@jc_art_ better than matpat
I’d watch Wendigoon’s video because it’s less of a comprehensive telling and more of just a story
The lore of Fnaf is ridiculous and obnoxious tbh. Breaking it down to its fundamental elements and telling it as a story like how Wendigoon did is the best way to engage with the story imo. It’s less confusing and more fun
Just remember that Mike is physically purple and William is morally purple
isn’t William’s corpse purple?
@anzuaoi9691 Fun fact! Purple is easier for comics and games to shade than it is to shade black. It also makes the figures look more three-dimensional, where as black looked too flat. There's also the fact that purple is known to represent corruption as well as forbidden and unnatural magic.
@@LanguishedRose “ourple guy” is actually black
@@LanguishedRoseand in the man in room 1280
That's my excuse from now on, every time somebody asks me what makes the FNaF lore make sense, I'll just say "Remnant"
Remnant solves everything
Maybe a glass of remnant will solve all of my real-life self . . .
@@aegisScale *becomes ennard
Why stop at FNaF lore? If you are ever confused about anything in life, just say remnant
This is the reason the lore makes sense: because they decided they wanted to be alive again or not die
A complete novice's guide to FNAF lore:
1) Beware the bunny
2) Beware the colour purple
3) Sometimes beware the colour gold as well
4) Did we mention not to trust the rabbit cosplayer?
5) Circus Baby is pure evil as well but she only has five minutes of screen time so you can pretty much forget she exists. Much like Vanny.
You gave Vanny far too much credit, she only appeared for like two minutes and not even for her alleged boss battle XD
6) Remnant
You day that until HW2 where she is in EVERY FUCKING MINI GAME, LIKE HOLY HELL (assuming plush baby is under the control of circus baby ofc, otherwise she's only in... 2 I think?)
The line “beware the bunny” is so fucking menacing for no reason
Remnant feels like the quantum physics of the FNAF universe. Something doesn't makes sense? Remnant!
kinda like how scientists would just put 'dark' in front of things they dont understand like dark matter and dark energy lol
That quantum thing is only really done by hucksters and scam artists. While quantum mechanics are unintuitive as fuck, they are experimentally and mathematically sound
I don't know about dark energy, but dark matter is known to exist, put simply: it's matter that we know is there due to it's gravitational effects, but otherwise can't detect.
Side note, the way dark matter is detected is via gravitational lensing.
Nah we got used to that
Fazgoo is the real deal
Also agony
@@illegalisntlegaldark in those instances is just for the reverse. Intended because we didn’t know much and now we do and we kept the name
I'm assuming you mean "what quantum physics is to the MCU, Remnant is to FNaF".
Funny how Spiff understood almost everything in the story UNTIL we get to the Steel Wool games and its just basically like "W-wait, how?"... i wonder why
To be fair, at the VERY start (2:45 or so) he immediately questions one of the claims (alongside the whole "Evan" thing).
Which is correct, because that was wrong and it makes even LESS sense when you know how Springlocks work :V
Not a very good sign honestly (and then ignore the fact it totally skips over Charlie and goes STRAIGHT to the MCI after CC)
Tbh, didn't he say he watched mandatory theories and fuhnaff? 8n that case he's got most of it understood so not surprising he got confused by the videos lmaoo since they kinda don't make as much sense as matpats theories and johns
Ok now lets not pretend that scott's writing was any better
I like how "Remnant" is just the word used to explain whatever sharks are being jumped now no matter what. It's just a buzzword it doesn't mean anything anymore lol
LETS GOO. Lore time. Time to get your mind be confused the most in your life.
I-... dont even know how you did it, but my brain got more confused failing to read that sentence 17 times than the entirety of fnaf lore combined
@@mr_daplefnaf lore easy mode, that comment hard mode
I've seen nore confusing lore, but yeah this confusing
fnaf lore isnt even that confusing matpat is just cooky and made everyone think its confusing
Just some things of note that the videos missed:
-Michael is alive since the SCUPER is a remnant injector. He’s essentially possessing his own corpse
-Henry sealed the secret back room after Afton died. This is why Springtrap didn’t do anything for 3 decades
--Afton- Glitchtrap exists in Help Wanted as a virus due to Fazbear Entertainment scanning -Springtrap’s- old circuit boards to “help” with development
As for the Toy animatronics, it’s heavily debated (moreso than usual). I’m of the opinion that they became corrupted via integrating parts from the old animatronics, but that’s just me
It is not Afton at all who gets scanned into the VR game, it's the Mimic.
@@zambiekiller360I always wondered, even before the mimic, why people think it was springtraps circuits that were scanned. Sure it’s what we thought would make sense at the time for glitchtrap to be afton but all the game ever says was “a bunch of old circuit boards to help exopodite the coding/pathfinding process”. We never learn where they came from, just that they were old and would help. Glitchtrap being changed to the mimic made a lot more sense retroactively to what tape girl says. We know the mimic is good at, well, mimicking and learning. So it being used for help makes more sense now that the scanning of afton did then.
Yup, the mimic program within help wanted just started learning from the depictions of William Afton which then brainwashed Vanessa im guessing. Then there is the other mimic in the real world just trapped and chilling underneath the pizza plex we see in ruin. So in any case, they either scanned that mimic that was trapped or there was more than one made, or something else. I'm not too informed on fnaf lore.
@@halinaqi2194 faz ent made multiple versions of the mimic after it was recovered
From what I've heard, and I could be wrong here, is that the toy animatronics have ai detection in them, and access to criminal data bases. And because Mike looks similar to William, they attack him
"This has something to do with dead kids??"
An apt description of the entire FNAF timeline, tbh
Her name is Roxanne Wolf ... how on earth does anyone think she is a fox ???
animal blind
LMAO I thought something was off when they said roxanne fox
Probably just because she’s clearly the Foxy replacement, to be fair.
@@anubis.monstermonty is a bonnie replacement but nobody calls him Montgomery Rabbit
@@tilerandomBecause Monty could never hold a candle to Bonnie’s legacy.
I’d highly recommend watching Wendigoon’s video on the FNaF lore. I think his timeline is more accurate than these two you watched, putting the Bite of ‘83 first instead of the Puppet being made. He also only focuses on the story up to UCN and throws out remnant in order to simplify things. Lastly he explains in detail a lot of the reasons the timeline is how it is and all in all it’s the timeline I like the most.
wasn't the puppet the first character to die in the entire series? it goes first puppet minimum bc elizabeth afton can't die without the discoveration of remnant, which is impossible without charlie
for me what makes wendigoon's lore explanation the best is that it gives reasons to afton's lunacy whereas in most theories we just go "yeah william afton is a blood crazed maniac who wanted to use remnant to become god"
@@trika2702 Yeah that too. Like immediately the first theory video Spiff watched when they went “Afton was a crazed lunatic” I rolled my eyes thinking of the Wendigoon video. I’m a much bigger fan of nuanced villainy rather than plain mindless evil.
@@saleemsupreme7702Charlie (puppet) was the first MURDER, but more than likely not the first death. William wouldn't have had a reason to kill Charlie unless he already knew about Remnant, likely finding out about it through the accidental death of the Crying Child and subsequent possession of Fredbear.
@@Armund_Wolffe interesting theory, however Elizabeth most likely dies before Crying Child due to her room being empty, meaning if Crying Child dies, it has to be after Remnant is discovered and thus would cause Charlie to be the first death.
“…and she gets folded like a lawn chair” has got to be the best nonchalant description of death I’ve ever heard
13:45 “That seems reasonable.” In FNAF, the story is so insane that any explanation can make sense. What a time to be alive.
everything up to pizza sim/UCN is its own self-contained story that's largely figured out. but everything post-steel wool is brand new and the theories are in as much chaos as the original games were when they were new. every theory abt the new games is like, very subject to change.
well, this *was* true, until what the books just apparently revealed about fnaf 4..
>that's largely figured out.
Kind of? Except even now people still dont know what the fuck is up with earlier entries :V
Like FNAF 3's minigame placement, if Happiest Day even happens, if the DCI even happened, etc
If Spiff ever wants an indepth story explanation then I would suggest Wendigoons FNaF storyline video. By far one of the most coherent versions of the story, but I believe that some of the most recent games aren't included there
Yeah that video is really good at making you get it.
agree, wendigoon explains it the best, its the only reason i actually understand whats going on
because the new games kind of RUIN everything :P
He should also watch ooftroops undeniably canon
He wanted to watch non canon videos
Tbh, I'm not a fan of this timeline construction Spiff watched, but I think he'd run into the problems I have with it no matter WHO he watched create it. The reason for this is that some events simply cannot be placed in the timeline without more information.
For example: when do the FNaF 3 minigames where William dismantled the animatronics take place? One might assume it takes place around where the video suggested, which seems plausible by the fact that the location looks destroyed by age and weather, but... if this is the FNaF 1 location years after closure, the... why is William here? Why is he taking the animatronics apart? What does he even WANT with them? If you go by the books, one would be led to assume that William was taking their endoskeletons to melt into the Funtimes, which is FURTHER reinforced by FNaF 6's tombstone ending implying that the original 5 kids and Charlie were finally set free by the end, which would only be the case by this point if they were in the Funtimes (and therefore Molten Freddy). But, if this IS the case, then there's absolutely NO WAY the Funtimes were made BEFORE the FNaF 3 cutscenes. This means one thing by following basic logic of how quickly he could have possibly made the Funtimes:
There was a LOT of time between the 4th minigame in FNaF 3 and the 5th. This is because he had to have time to take all the endos back, make the Funtimes, start using them a bit, then storing them underground for the equipment and rentals business, all BEFORE he got springtrapped. This also brings up the question of... WHY THE FUCK DID WILLIAM GO BACK AFTER HE ALREADY HAD ALL THE ENDOS? I guess he could have just been picking up the Spring Bonnie suit and leaving, but he could have just done that when he brought all the rest out. He obviously had a vehicle for transportation, he didn't just DRAG the giant metal endoskeletons back.
Okay, but now there's another problem; Speingtrap was in a boarded up room. The only way that makes sense is if him getting springtrapped chronologically coincides with the sealing of the safe rooms as mentioned in the FNaF 3 tapes. But, if this is the case, then 1) the location couldn't have been closed for years by the time William got there, and was in fact VERY active still, and 2) if it's true that a lot of time had to be between William dismantling the others and getting springtrapped, then... WHY DID NOBODY QUESTION THE FACT THAT ALL OF THE ANIMATRONICS WERE DESTROYED?!?! Like, William would have had to destroy them, wait several months with the restaurant STILL RUNNING on the springlock suits alone, and then show back up days before the safe rooms were getting sealed to be springtrapped. This is all not even bringing up the issues with the fact that these tapes seem to happen LONG before the FNaF 1 location due to the springlock suits being discontinued around here.
Okay, some of you may be saying "Okay, well maybe William was actually sealed in a different safe room at a different time?". Really? You're telling me that YEARS after the safe rooms were sealed and months to years after Freddy Fazbear's was closed, somebody went back to the restaurant with NO PURPOSE except to seal the safe room and leave? Nobody had any questions about the fact that they went to go to an abandoned building with dismantled animatronic shells all over and board up a single room and leave? And all for what? So the building could sit there Nother 30 years until FNaF 3? WHY?!?!? Why did they even seal the room? Was it already sealed to begin with and William tore it open to get in?
Point is, none of this timeline makes sense because if we are to take what Scott said true; that is that there is only 1 retcon by FNaF 4, then SL introduced like FIVE MORE.
It's heavily theorized that Henry found William dying in the back room, and intentionally sealed the room with him in it, knowing that he was the man behind the slaughter. However the timeline still makes no sense.
Yeah, SL is almost impossible to place in any timeline. Especially the creation of the funtimes, but honestly the gameplay too.
And people don't even agree on all the player characters (how many are Michael?)
@@JamieElli Actually, since writing that comment- I watched a video on a COMPLETELY UNRELATED SUBJECT by a super unheard-of FNaF creator and they pointed something out which I think may be the key to solving the placement of SL AND the creation of the Funtimes;
The Scooper blueprints in FNaF 6.
They include notes for a remnant injector being a part of the mechanism, which not JUST explains details like how Michael survived afterwards, but ALSO could explain how he has access to memories which MAY NOT EVEN BE HIS. This could explain details such as how he has memories of the Nightmare animatronics as seen in the log book, but WITHOUT requiring him to have been the person in the FNaF 4 nights, because Remnant is noted to have memory contained in it. But this isn't even the MOST important thing it clears up!
It also means that each of the Funtimes and Baby- who were ALSO scooped to create Ennard- ALSO contain Remnant which was injected into them. This is an extremely important detail because it means that they MAY NOT have actually had Remnant in them PRIOR to this point like people assumed. Since people assumed they had this Remnant in them since creation because of the books, it complicated the placement of FNaF 3's minigames, but with THIS considered, it actually means the Funtimes could have been made YEARS before FNaF 3's minigames took place, and the endoskeletons were simply melted down each night. This ALSO still allows the FNaF 6 ending to make sense, freeing the original 5 kids' spirits (at least, not considering whatever the blob means in SB)
As soon as I heard this I instantly jumped back a bit in my chair because it finally explains the issues with the timeline and even makes SENSE, because FNaF 6's whole PURPOSE was to answer misconceptions in the previous games, and this misconception caused some of the biggest issues in the entire series.
>But, if this IS the case, then there's absolutely NO WAY the Funtimes were made BEFORE the FNaF 3 cutscenes.
Actually simple explanation:
They were built approx 1986~, following the Closure of FFP, and shelved when Elizabeth died, potentially being reused for the Rental Service later on.
They *can* exist for any amount of time without being specifically possessed. He has several of his own lying around, why not use them?
>The only way that makes sense is if him getting springtrapped chronologically coincides with the sealing of the safe rooms as mentioned in the FNaF 3 tapes.
Yeah... THIS is one of the parts i'd retcon if i had the ability. It doesnt make sense however you look at it.
William was sealed up after he died/disassembled the FNAF 1s.
The Saferooms were sealed soon after the MCI, possibly in response to the MCI even.
Assuming this were 1993-1994, then that's a solid 8-9 year gap in time, which doesnt work.
>This is all not even bringing up the issues with the fact that these tapes seem to happen LONG before the FNaF 1 location due to the springlock suits being discontinued around here.
Considering the MCI's been fairly decently placed around 1985, and the tapes mention the Spring Bonnie costume being used, following a sudden sealing of the Saferooms, yeah it's pretty likely they're 1985 tapes.
>Was it already sealed to begin with and William tore it open to get in?
Presumably, yeah.
>because if we are to take what Scott said true; that is that there is only 1 retcon by FNaF 4, then SL introduced like FIVE MORE.
Actually, if i remember right that's not what he said.
It was more "One retcon nobody had noticed/had integrated seamlessly".
Of course, it's still annoying he DIDNT say what it was...
Now ONE thing i have massive beef with:
The idea that the Bite of 83 was a Springlock Failure (it wasnt, there's no possible way it could have possibly been such)
And i SWEAR Matpat is the cause of it, or at the least popularized it.
@@higueraft571 Would definitely recommend reading the reply I left to somebody under this same comment as it clears up a lot of the concerns I noted above.
Also- why can't the bite of '83 have been a springlock failure? My best guess would be because it was obviously already IN animatronic mode on stage, meaning it could have LEFT animatronic mode by means of a springlock failure, but even if this turns out to be the case, I feel like it raises more questions that it solves. But this is all on the assumption that this is the reason you think it wasn't a springlock failure for that reason.l
From what i remember William wasnt crazy at the start and only after the crying child dying he became crazy and killed Charlie
And the original animatronic's dont have spaces to hide children,only the Funtimes are designed that way.And spoiler:
In help wanted William doesnt upload is concoiusness to the game but an old animatronic called the Mimic (who was built by some random guy since Edwin is not canon)was uploaded to the game bc its programmed to do what his name says:Mimic things he sees and ofc that can help speed up development of their game but he has seen what Afton did and cuz of its programming it wanted to go on a killing spree and ofc it needed to get out so HW happens -->He gets out -->He takes over the Pizzaplex and either the Burntrap ending happens or the PQ ending or both we dont know and Ruin also happens.And the Mimic was built most likely bc it can replace malfuctioning animatronic's bc it can mimic them and it can also fit itself into almost any suit.Also the Remenant thing is not really true bc it got agony(Essentially the edgy/negative version of remenant)when the guy who built him beat the ever living sh.. out of it when their son died in an accident.
Also the blob would attack the mimic bc its a mindless monster,the blob would probably attack everything that moves
At some point lore just doesnt become fun anymore when you're specifically vague, have no consistency and cram new random nonsense into everything regardless of wether it makes sense because your franchise is in a symbiotic relationship with matpat/theorists. I think SB/Ruin have potential for creating a feeling of like.... Aperture Science but Pizza, i wish those weren't connected to fnaf.
Fnaf lore is like 90% retcons and 10% scrambling to piece together a story. So no wonder why nothing makes actual sense when you claim you only retconned one thing but retcon so so much more. But yeah the story is super fucking vague which has made it incomprehensible
And that is why i love black ops zombies for ending it and even providing a timeline
@@theinnocentxenoI’m pretty sure he originally wanted to end it at 4, but thought “It was all a child’s trauma-induced dreams” wouldn’t go over well
@@matthewbrooks5470 I thought 4 was more of "This child is dying after having a severe cranial injury and you're playing through his nightmares as he succumbs in the hospital".
@@GeassX Yeah, it was implied that those nightmares were the entire series up through 4, not just the events of 4
Having puzzled together my own timeline for the past few months, tinkering away at it every now and then, I'm so glad to see Spiff have a glimpse of the insanity that goes on on the lore side of things :')
LOOOOOOOOORRRRREEEEEEE
I'm curious, how did you solve the sister location problem ? You know, the paradox where William started designing killer robots before any child ever died. Because in FNaF 4 Elizabeth's room is already abandoned implying that she died already. If that's the case then that means child killing robots were designed before any child died so that William could go crazy/become obsessed with immortality. If we want to assume that he saw Charlie's soul possessing the puppet or missing children souls possessing the core 5, then what was his motive behind killing them ?
@@MM-un5uf Excellent question, that's definitely rattled my brain many many times and honestly I don't think we'll ever be able to truly answer it if we cling onto motive too much (unless it's ever explicitely stated in the story). In my timeline I went with the assumption that Afton simply starts out with the awful intentions of abusing the kid-friendly franchise and robots to kill children, perhaps out of pure revenge from his past, perhaps out of psychopathic tendencies or something else. Maybe there is more to his life before the Freddy era that we just don't know about. The robots become an out-of-the-question thing when his own daughter falls prey to one and then he moves on to his other methods, discovering remnant in the meantime. Elizabeth is currently the first to die in my timeline, but that's been shifted around A LOT aswell. Sister Location related lore is the biggest point of timeline confusion along with the puppet for me, it only works if you're lenient with some story parts and sometimes completely ignore others unfortunately.
I'm definitely not an expert at this stuff, but it's hella fun to talk about!
I've been memorising this lore since 2014 and know it by heart LMAO imagine he gets into the book lore
The only lore we had in 2014 was that at some point in time a purple guy used a springbonnie suit to kill somewhere around 5 or 6 kids, plus another that wasnt suited, then at some point there was 'the bite of 87', then at some other point in time the purple man dies via springlock, like relatively there wasnt much, but it was way less in our face so it took a bit to put it back together. Now we have so much information thrown at us it takes most of our time deciding what information is important and what isnt, even though in older fnaf EVERYTHING was important, its maddening, truly
@@jc_art_ Actually, we didn't know that much then. FNAF 3 came out in 2015, so all we really knew was that a used to be employee dressed up as one of the characters (presumably Golden Freddy) and killed 5 kids. Before that, he killed another one in a drive by who became the puppet, and may have killed others.
Book lore goes hard
@@jc_art_ Correction:
The Animatronics think you're an "Endo" and will try to stuff you in costumes, which will kill you. They're likely the Animatronics mentioned in the Clippings, that'd had Dead Child Ooze leaking all over the place, and they've never been washed for 20 years.
A man used a Company Mascot costume to lure 2 children into a room in the back, with 3 more confirmed missing later.
There's GFreddy who's extremely rare and seems "Different" from the rest.
That's pretty much all we had.
@@higueraft571 both corrections are valid, i had falsely thought fnaf 3 was in 2014 also, my bad
"this is dayshift era humor"
literally- even the sprites in the vid 💀
I have to admit, that video was so dumb yet funny to me. If I need new lore explained to me, it better be like that.
THE DAVE TTS VOICE. HENRY MILLER. THEY FUCKING CALL WILLIAM "MR.MILLER", **THE FUCKING DAYMAN**
spigg accidentally found a well crafted shitpost thats more dsaf than fnaf and tried to use it for lore
I legit thought Spiff was gonna watch Phisnom's 10 hour livestream where he and Pastra explains ALL of the lore to a friend of theirs.
More people should. Really opens the eyes to the stupidity of so many plot points
"How does the puppet walk?"
In a universe where dead kids possess hunks of metal, I think the puppet walking is the least of your problems.
I found fnaf lore most interesting when it just was dead kids in animatronics.
Agreed. Scott’s story should be taken separately from the books and Steel Wool’s stories.
Remnant is basically a McGuffin that can do and be anything the writer needs. Need people to persist after death? Remnant. Need someone's soul to attach itself to a digital landscape? Remnant. Need a reason for the world to continue funding Freddy Fazbear-branded things? Probably Remnant. At this point, Remnant has succeeded in making everybody immortal in a sense.
Its basically rhe go to answer when there isn't a better one. Now some people say that William never was on the circuit board for help wanted. It was just the mimic program written by someone else that was used or scanned in. That mimic program was not intentional but started running regardless, and started learning and mimicking the events depicted by William afton. At this point William is stuck in purgatory indefinitely until the vengeful spirit leaves him to his demons.
That is to say the burntrap in security breach is just a mimic recreation of afton. The robots post help wanted may not even be possessed. They may just be super advanced ai integrated with mimic or self learning programs that get their tendencies from mimicking behaviours they see, I am not even sure if the glam rocks are possessed or just corrupted from the mimic program, that is in turn just copying violence and evil it witnessed elsewhere. Just a weird game storyline. At some point, fnaf 1 to 6 have became questionable in where they fit in the lore, since they may just be indie games even in fnafs universe exaggerating real world events. So maybe there never was the supernatural but just highly advanced robotics and an indie devs interpretation of events in that world.
@@halinaqi2194 Every time I see "Mimic" I just roll my eyes. Yeesh. I like the Remant McGuffin more than the Mimic McGuffin. At least the Remnant McGuffin is older and actually established.
Im not even half as invested in fnaf lore as i am in stigg playing through the dayshift trilogy
dayshift has the superior lore fr
@@ladymoragsbootlaces8059 truuuue, I'll take "the factory" over remnant any day of the week
the fact this video was released the same day our view of fnaf 4, 5 and midnight motorist's plot got changed forever is funny
giga monty is absolute immersion his every activity tells a story
I know im in too deep when I watch a video like this and bash my head at how undetailed the videos are and how much important establishing points they skip.
I just look it as simple lore, basics and the game themself not the other lore.
and how much they got wrong
Spiff having played all the games is now learning for the first time why his chat has been screaming at him for the past couple of years LOL.
I also recommend the "Undeniably canon" series, although they now ended right after pizzeria simulator and the next part before security breach will be on books. They go into a bit more detail
HELL YES
somehow it is MUCH MORE COHESIVE!!!!!
honestly i advise watching Phisnom and Pastra's 10 hour lore stream, really long, i know, but they've got a great sense of humor about it, point out a few fan theories that had been popular for a while and hash out a couple arguments between them, most importantly though:
They're the only ones i've seen explain the lore going through the series game by game
it makes it really clear when shit just gets retconned and how the story started super simple and mostly reasonable but just got more and more insane. i also appreciate that they try to keep the books out of it as much as possible, esp since Scott mentioned that the core trilogy isn't canon to the game series
While I agree Phil's lore stream was great for introducing FNAF lore. I'm afraid he took it down a while ago
did he? damn
ngl the 10:10:10 timestamp was probably the funniest part, especially since all that time was genuinely used, and it's the one thing that can't be found elsewhere
ah well, my point about finding something that introduces lore layer by layer in order of games being the smoother introduction still stands though i'll admit i don't spend enough time around the fandom to have any idea where to find that
Yes he did, after all the drama on Twitter he uploaded a video where he mentioned his retirement from FNAF as a whole. That included taking down the FNAF related VODs of his channel which kinda sucks cuz they were really fun.
the first video not going over fazgoo is at the same time calming and going over a huge part of the lore
If anyone has 10 hours to spare, the most in-depth, clear, & entertaining lore video I’ve ever seen (that only tacitly mentions the books) is Phisnom’s explanation vod. There’s even debates on which fan theories make the most sense.
It’s great to listen to while you’re driving, cleaning, or doing a puzzle.
Okay, so to give a bit more clarification on the whole Glitchtrap = William Afton or Glitchtrap = Mimic thing (warning: long):
So all of FNAFs 1 through Pizza Sim happen essentially as the first video told. Then Steel Wool brought out Help Wanted, which featured Glitchtrap (who should've been called Malhare and I'll die on that hill), who was a seemingly reincarnated William Afton as a computer virus. This was generally accepted as being the case.
In the meantime however, the books were coming out, telling us the story of Edwin. Edwin was an engineer of Fazbear Entertainment and he created a intelligent animatronic AI, the Mimic, to help entertain and take care of his child, David. The Mimic's whole thing is, unsurprisingly, to mimic human actions and it does so to great degrees. David dies in a car accident and Edwin doesn't take it that well. After the Mimic starts using gestures from the dead son, Edwin starts taking his frustration out on the Mimic, beating it. Afterwards, Edwin flees and Fazbear Entertainment comes in later to search Edwin's house, since it was property of theirs. They recover the Mimic and start using its AI, Mimic1, to create a new animatronic called the Storyteller to be placed in the Pizzaplex around 40 years later. However, before that happens and while the Pizzaplex is still in construction, the Mimic kills a few teens that snuck into the Pizzaplex. The Mimic causes the Glamrock animatronics to glitch and behave oddly (not murderous tho) from the giant tree it is placed in to help the Pizzaplex run. Edwin gets locked inside of the tree afterwards, due to a false accusation of being the cause of the glitches, and dies. The person who accused him later also gets locked in the tree, though this time seemingly by the Mimic itself. Then that tree gets removed and the Mimic goes... somewhere, never told (though we do generally know now with Ruin).
Now this is where things get fucky and my problems come with the whole introduction of the Mimic in the games: nowhere is there any connection made from the Mimic to be Glitchtrap. It is possible that a variant of the Mimic1 AI (for simplicity, gonna call it Mimic2) exists, but that still raises the question of how the fuck it had ever observed everything that happened with/through William Afton and how the fuck it can apparently mind control actual humans? The theory is that Mimic1 is infected by Agony (very simplified: think Remnant, but infused with negative emotions of tragedies), which is fine, but that still doesn't explain how Mimic1 or Mimic2 would seemingly be able to mimic William since they weren't around for anything William did, since it wasn't functional after getting beaten by Edwin. It is also just generally cheap to say "the Mimic did it," since... yeah, that is possible, but it is almost as bad as the whole dream theory that MatPat made after FNAF 4 came out, since it is the laziest way of answering things and, in this case specifically, doesn't even fit with what we know of the timeline of FNAF.
Ruin didn't help in this case, adding the Mimic and seemingly making a different ending than was originally planned (my speculation, which I'll get to later) canon with the Princess Quest ending taking center stage, completely abandoning the plot thread with Burntrap. Especially with the theories surrounding the Mimic still being able to speak like Gregory, despite the earlier faltering and what the game files say, during the chase and in the elevator in the betrayal ending.
My speculation:
Burntrap doesn't exist anymore. I think Steel Wool saw how divided the community kind of was on William being back for the 3rd time, while also immediately killing him off like 5-10 minutes later? Keep in mind that someone in Steel Wool has admitted to MatPat that they partially changed things around ahead of SB's release, because his theories were right and they wanted to keep things surprising. Anyway, Steel Wool instead brought in the Mimic for Ruin and shifted the canon ending from SB to not be the Burntrap ending (the only animated one) and instead have it be the Princess Quest ending, so that canonically Burntrap would've never gotten activated and such. I genuinely think this is the case, since the Mimic's model isn't even all that close to the Burntrap model (that endo is significantly different). "But what about Eclipse, Roxy, Monty, etc in Ruin?" Eclipse mostly just got the Faz wrench port added to his model in Ruin, Roxy's endo did get changed but probably more for detail than anything else (but who knows), Monty is similar just his shell is completely off at this point and then we have Freddy. Assuming we have to take SB at face value still somewhat, Prototype Freddy and regular Glamrock Freddy have to be one and the same. Why? Vanessa explicitly tells Freddy, while Gregory is hiding nearby, that they would temporarily shut off Freddy if the glitches continue and put Monty as the main star for shows to put his shell on a different endo, meaning his shell isn't readily available. Also, if they are the same Freddy, then there are two Freddies that got damaged in nearly the exact same way with a severed head...
I do have to give credit that this wasn't entirely my own speculation and that NotRealName NotAtAll's video on Ruin's animatronics convinced me, mainly on that point that Steel Wool has seemingly changed something in the final draft of SB because of MatPat and/or other theories. I'm just tired, this fucking franchise takes a lot from me to understand lol
U were not kidding that was long lol thankyou for your service
I thought the mimic mimicked William in Help Wanted cause it's like...a port of all the og games no? Maybe the mimic figured out the FNaF lore 💀
@@user-jp8me2hf4o Ngl, when I wrote all that, I forgot what Help Wanted was about and now that I've reminded myself... eh. I suppose it is technically possible that the Mimic learned all of William's tricks from the recreation of William's legend made by Fazbear Entertainment, but that still leads me to be skeptical how effective that teaching would be... but I don't freaking now at this point, it is freaking FNAF, anything can happen LOL
@@DjGameKing Tbh I think if we were to actually try and put sense into it I think the most...understandable theory would be a mix of the old and new HW ones.
Where even if he wasn't straight up uploaded into the game's code William's remnant did end up infused into it which maybe gave the Mimic his memories or knowledge on his mannerisms?
Even if the Mimic somehow uncovered the lore it doesn't say much about how William actually acts and I don't think Mimikyu is inferring his behavior, since I don't even know if it's physically capable of that.
There's also the very funny alternative where the Mimic was capable and willing to infer William's mannerisms from his lore which he also managed to figure out somehow but he was entirely wrong and actual William didn't act anything like Glitchtrap in HW.
Wow, the fact that they change the story so last minute because one guy figured it out explains so much about the story.
Glad no one mentioned Agony. That would've just confused him even more
The biggest problem with the fnaf lore is Scott never fully planed a story so he’s just constantly making things up and has admitted to purposely changing ideas based on if someone guessed how it would go or if the community said they didn’t like it which is the worst way to make a story. You can have a complex story you can even have one that isn’t planed all the way through but changing ideas so often and not letting people know what’s right or wrong or what’s not part of the story anymore is how you have people get confused and tired of dealing with your stupid story.
Yeah... fnaf 3 was the og end, then fnaf 4 but the dream theory was very disliked so then they went until UCN, so 1 to UCN tell an actual full story but not everything is well fleshed out. Post UCN, ex help wanted basically said that some of the games from 1 to UCN where indie games within universe really muddling the waters, cuz now I don't really know what's real.
The lore of fnaf is actually just someone trying to guess what another person is about to say, but going completely wrong repeatedly until the other person says yes
13:23 fanf lore in a nutshell
I wish remnant in the games was more consistent, because I genuinely do think it was explained well in the books. It was extremely specific about how it worked, with the details of “agony” being a special version of remnant bringing things to life even if they aren’t directly *possessed* by anyone directly and how fire made it unattach itself from items. Man, security breach…
The mimic was another thing from the books, it was a robot created to replicate a kid’s mother, but went rogue after a few decades.
Honestly, it IS interesting, you've even got a structure:
Dark Remnant and Light Remnant make up a Soul.
Each type of Remnant is made up of Components, while most are unknown, we know one of each type, and some of what they do...
Love can heal wounds and create Illusions.
Agony can bring things to life/acts as a sort of Glue/Conduit for the transfer of others, helping what would normally die pass into something else.
Take, for example """"Charlie"""" from the books. Henry poured his Agony *and* Love into that Ella doll, until it created a "Whole Soul" what was similar to that of a Human, especially once given "Memories" to work off of.
Both are the strongest of their types, although Agony wins out in sheer power of course.
The amount of lore spiff still doesn't know is killing me
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It would have been so funny if spiff watched ooftroops undeniable fnaf storyline and took it 100 percent seriously.
Why would you not it’s 100% accurate
yeah it's undeniably canon that's why
2:23 nobody has a confirmed name on crying child so we all call em evan, basically the FNAF nickname
at most, one of the original fnaf security books (that confirmed Cassidy as golden freddy first) listed the name Evan. but not confirmed elsewhere so most are unsure.
if you want a simple explanation of the lore that's still funny enough to remember then you can watch the ooftrop's undeniably canon fnaf lore
it has a cool artstyle as well
Also, after the Henry fire, the lore gets a little messy since ruin. Pretty much any instance of "glitch trap" is just the mimic acting as William since help wanted was his greatest hits
honestly if you want a better explanation of the whole thing i'd recommend watching wendigoon's fnaf lore video. though i do think it's a bit longer and you probably wouldn't want to sit through all that if you just want to know the basics. it really explains a lot though. another one i'd recommend is "an undeniably canon fnaf timeline", which isn't all that canon but it's a pretty funny take.
He knows now……EGGPLANT PU-
I kinda of want you to react to, an undeniably canon fnaf timeline now
honestly one of my favorite takes and videos on the lore is probably Digi's 8+ hour video, it just makes little details that never seemed to line up make sense and gives the fnaf story a genuinely compelling narrative
I mean the lore video by the Ooftroop makes perfect sense, and would actually connect all the games and books together rather nicely.
People wonder why MatPat is insane, this is what he has to deal with regularly
he also just makes up shit on the regular in a way that people think it’s canon and then if BECOMES canon because the devs didn’t actually have an actual thought out explanation and just went with his
I'd Recommend checking out Wendigoon's take on the lore, Ive watched matpats videos. and even watched the earlier ones when they come out. But, I think Wendigoon has the best take on the lore. Also, he just has a good channel
I like how the community just today learned the correct fnaf 4 lore and I’m curious how much it changes the theories people have made
I don't know why but my brain read "Spiff finally learns the full Spiff storyline" and I thought it was gonna be a video of Spiff being filled in on his own lore that fans have come up with.
WAIT, MPREG CANON?!?!?!?
it took all of the remnant in the world for Spiff to survive those animated videos
An undeniably canon FNAF Timeline you should watch that one next.
I'm so glad to see original video linked
So Freddy isn't actually that relevant in his own game series.
As a lorekeeper, that second video is 100% accurate
That was a very good lore video, that is a very good explanation of the story
Let’s go less then 100 to 100k congrat bro 🎉
the FNaF lore discourse is like the supreme court here in America. There are widely accepted interpretations that the main lore youtubers decide on and most people have their own opinions on it but everyone goes with it anyway
Whenever I hear someone say a new theory I just believe it. I don’t try and make it match with what I have heard before. It’s just automatically true.
I never new the lore untill now thank you so much AstralSpiff
I am fairly sure that those two videos left out at least 40% of extra lore that you needed to understand it fully. Using all the books and Media out there, its best to use MatPat's most recent all timeline 4-part series. This will allow you to fully understand FNAF, spigg
>its best to use MatPat's most recent all timeline 4-part series.
Please god no, especially after part 2...
@@higueraft571his explanation is goddamn asinine, even by matpat standards. Also the foundations of the entire series isn’t well written and really shouldn’t be accepted as if everything means something.
I watched a 2-3 hour break through which was very in depth and great after this video I'm confused but remnant I guess
Connection terminated. I'm sorry to interrupt you, Spiff, if you still even remember that name, But I'm afraid you've been misinformed. You are not here to receive a gift, nor have you been called here by the individual you assume, although, you have indeed been called. You have all been called here, into a labyrinth of sounds and smells, misdirection and misfortune. A labyrinth with no exit, a maze with no prize. You don't even realize that you are trapped. Your lust for blood has driven you in endless circles, chasing the cries of children in some unseen chamber, always seeming so near, yet somehow out of reach, but you will never find them. None of you will. This is where your story ends. And to you, my brave volunteer, who somehow found this job listing not intended for you, although there was a way out planned for you, I have a feeling that's not what you want. I have a feeling that you are right where you want to be. I am remaining as well. I am nearby. This place will not be remembered, and the memory of everything that started this can finally begin to fade away. As the agony of every tragedy should. And to you monsters trapped in the corridors, be still and give up your spirits. They don't belong to you. For most of you, I believe there is peace and perhaps more waiting for you after the smoke clears. Although, for one of you, the darkest pit of Hell has opened to swallow you whole, so don't keep the devil waiting, old friend.
Just like how everyone gets a unique version of Security Breach, everyone has a unique idea of what the fnaf lore is.
I was just watching the 8 hour WR one, really great watch
I know that most people are gonna recommend Wendigoon, but I personally really enjoyed Haley Whipjack's video. The intro is long, the video is long, it doesn't cover the bo.oks, and it doesn't cover the newer games like Security Breach and Ruin, but it's still very in-depth and super accurate while also just being funny. It not only describes the timeline, but also actively acknowledges where fans get confused and add their own ideas for the most part, so yeah .w. Don't know if you'd be willing to watch that ever, but it's out there.
I've been in the fnaf community since fnaf 1 and I still know nothing about lore, this'll be a fun video to watch
How does that even happen lol
One question
How
@@super_cloudy_lemonade. I kept avoiding it lol it's too complicated for my lazy brain
Congrats on 100k over here
I loved how William's voice in the second video was the same voice as Day Shift William.
I think you'd enjoy @theooftroop 's take on the lore as well, to be honest. Very funny and similar to the "in a nutshell" video you watched in a way. Also, it seems you've already played dayshift, or know about it, but I'd think you'd like it, but maybe you're not interested in the genre in which case fair enough.
I do recommend watching MatPats fnaf timeline. Regardless of whether you agree with it. He presents it very well and makes it very fun to listen to.
As long as you dont take it as an actual Timeline :V
the fight scene in the 2nd video got me laughing so hard
foxy got the rubber devil fruit confirmed
saw a comment that said Scott intentionally changes lore to troll Matpat and like... yeah actually. he did a video telling creators to not change a story just bc the theorist community has guessed the truth. bc if they guessed it, it means u were putting all of the clues out there in a coherent enough way that people could solve the puzzle. u didn't fail bc u kept ur Super Secret Special Lore coherent and understandable, ppl are just smart (sometimes) and that doesn't somehow devalue the story ur trying to tell.
6:28 he has some "soul juice" or "remnant" inside of him, its one of the things the SCOOPER does
the SCOOPER GIVES REMNANT
Nice, just never read the books. ever.
Congrats with 100k
Your description of how the lore has progressed at 14:28 is painfully spot on, dear lord.
i've been watching lore videos about this series for *years* and *this* is the video that makes me realize that pretty much everything is explained as "remnant" and that remnant has no real explanation for why it works
People seriously need to stop saying that Remnant is "book stuff" - IT'S MENTIONED BY NAME IN PIZZERIA SIMULATOR!! CAN PEOPLE PLEASE STOP IGNORING STORY DETAILS JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THEM
3:29 that dono came up like chad was the fifth child
The scooper has a remnant injector built in it (seen in the blueprints in the canon Pizza Sim ending). It is why Michael survived
15:28 yeah, most of fnaf lore is bargaining and crying out in confusion at the new content released
The big thing is that everything b4 the vr game is a game made by a dude who was paid to make the games to make fun or make absurd so that the company can re-vamp without the negative press. The first 4 games (and posibly all the games b4 vr) have been put into there own self contained story, based of real life events
The timing of this upload is so funny cause we just got FNAF 4 lore that states Afton was experimenting with hallucination gas
From what I know, the most widely accepted reason that Michael is alive after being scooped is that, he wasn't harvested for Remnant, Ennard just used him to get out of the sister location, and be free, so Michael's soul/remnant, which has unfinished business with William, possessed his own corpse in a way, if that makes sense.
Wait, the only lore videos you watch are Fuhnaff?
That's like... the least agreed on theorist lol
He doesn't think the mimic is how the books literally exactly, perfectly describe it
At this point. The kingdom hearts lore and timeline is more straightforward than the fnaf one.
Yep… the main difference is that KH explains everything just in a stupid or out of order way, while FNaF barely explains a thing and everything is cryptic as hell
the second video was way more truthful, everyone knows that foxy has elephant gun
Reminder that “psychotic” and “psychopath” are psychological terms that are being misused in OPs video, they shouldn’t be used to mean evil or bad because it stereotypes people with ASPD and Psychotic spectrum disorders like schizophrenia and contributes to stigmatisation, incarceration and abuse of people with those disorders.
YEAH JOHN GETS ANOTHER MENTION! Also congrats on 100k
To explain possession a bit better. There's two ways. Remnant and Agony.
Remnant is souls mixed with metal. Since William had been infused with metal when he die, he lives. Michael survives because his soul was combined with the metal of Ennard.
Agony is the emotion. In the fazbear frights books it says any object around a extremely bad time like death mainly can carry agony from it. But to make it simpler, the kids wanting revenge gave them agony. So they posses the animatronics to have revenge but also because their bodies were put into the suits so Remnant was also made.
Extra: if you made it this far, congrats. Here's a bit more info for you. Aftons memories were kept on a chip from scraptrap. VR team finds chip and uses the movements for path finding. Mimic sees it and becomes evil. That's how Glitchtrap made. So canonically, afton in ucn and he only came back twice.
Bonus: if you somehow made it this far, you're crazy. But here's mimic explained for you. And quick note, this is what i know about it. And i only know main details. In the tales from pizzaplex books, it talks about mimic after all three stories. A father makes mimic ai to play with kid so father can do work alone. Kid dies and father shows negative emotions in front of the ai. Ai is used to help better the company of Fazbear Entertainment after they bought it from the father. Eventually at VR, ai finds Aftons memories and mimics the memories and makes glitchtrap. Maybe it makes glitchtrap look like a simple suit like at Disneyland and with a smile to make him look more friendly like as a kid sees the suit or because it doesn't fully know what the real suit looked like or a bit of both. Then Vanessa becomes Vanny and security breach happens with princess quest and ruin happens and that's end of mimic story. And to explain the ending with mimic in suit, in the stories from the books it says the mimic likes to wear suits and costumes.
Congrats: good job. If you made it this far, you're either someone crazy enough to do it, someone who just wants to complain to me about "incorrect plot points" even though this is meant to be a simple explanation, or you're Spiff who's reading this somehow for whatever reason. Either way, congrats at making it all the way down. Your reward is you imagining Monty saying, "Fruit punch for everyone" and Fruit Punch Clown saying, "Hey! Little Guy!" in their own voices. Goodbye now!
so basically, ourple man killed children, discovered immortality, killed more children, got killed, came back, got burnt, came back again, then he got burnt a second time for good measure, finally being killed for good, before coming back in help wanted, then being burnt again in security breach's animated ending, and then there is a mimic there for whatever reason
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