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Bach Invention 14 in B-flat - Analysis

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  • čas přidán 16. 04. 2014

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  • @zdravkominchev4780
    @zdravkominchev4780 Před 6 lety +12

    Thank you so much fot the video! I'm a teacher as well, and I've started learning to play the piano by myself some 5 or 6 months ago just for fun. Understanding the structure of a piece is the key to developing ones skills. So beautiful and simple is the way you're explaining the relation between elements inside this work. Visualising music is another way to get fallen in love with it. Wonderful lesson for beginners.

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 6 lety +1

      Thank you for the kind words. Glad this helps you!

  • @arabellam-s3825
    @arabellam-s3825 Před 2 lety +4

    Thank you so much for this, John. I am studying this piece just for my playing and also have decided to study it at school for a Baroque Period study-piece homework, so this is really helpful!

  • @kencory2476
    @kencory2476 Před rokem

    I relearned this piece in another key as an exercise, and I discovered that each of the sixteenth-note motifs can be fingered in similar and contrasting ways: the 'I go up and down' can start with the thumb, and the 'I go down and up' can start with the fourth finger. The same with the other hand. This works in every key, as long as you allow the thumb to play a black note.

  • @oleguernogues
    @oleguernogues Před rokem

    Fantastic, very syimulating and useful video to help us grasp the underlying structure of Bach inventions (and his "design" process, otherwise known as compisition). Thanks a lot!

  • @Murrangurk2
    @Murrangurk2 Před 9 lety +3

    I am learning this tune on a 5 string banjo. Your analysis has been super helpful! I am using your lyrics all the time now when I play it! "I go up and down, AND play my trumpet!!" Awesome!

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 9 lety +1

      This makes my day! When you are ready you should post your banjo version!

    • @Murrangurk2
      @Murrangurk2 Před 9 lety +1

      John Toenjes
      Not just yet! But I do have #13 down and I could post that.

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 9 lety

      Murrangurk2 Make sure to post the link here!

    • @Murrangurk2
      @Murrangurk2 Před 9 lety +3

      I might look at recording Inv#13 today. In the meantime I have a version of Maple Leaf Rag on CZcams that is 95% perfect if you're curious.
      the Bach stuff may seem weird to a pianist because I can only play one part at a time! no Left hand!
      I was wondering if you'd had any experience with Sibelius? I need some help! I find the community blogs and Sibelius Help not very helpful!
      Also, because I have been practicing the #14 at my local cafe, the staff now sing "I go up and down, And play my trumpet!"

  • @Guarrdian1984
    @Guarrdian1984 Před 3 lety +3

    Divine piece of art! Every note has its firm meaning and insubstitutable place.

    • @joecarr2224
      @joecarr2224 Před rokem +1

      Ja! Das ist Bach!

    • @Guarrdian1984
      @Guarrdian1984 Před rokem

      @@joecarr2224 Jaja, wie Beethoven einmal gesagt hat - "nicht Bach, sondern Mehr sollte er heissen" und er war absolut richtig! ;-)

  • @CarmenReyes-em9np
    @CarmenReyes-em9np Před rokem +1

    El análisis lo aprendí con el trancu4ri del tiempo ,,tuve un maestro maravilloso e inolvidable ,que creyó en mi. ♥️

  • @Lu-yk8cz
    @Lu-yk8cz Před 3 lety +1

    We’re learning this piece. Thanks for your insightful lecture. Very informative and helpful! Hope you can post more lectures like this. Merci!

  • @markom1976
    @markom1976 Před rokem

    0:16 THEME IN TWO PARTS
    This whole piece is built upon this one theme which is in two parts. There's this first part, sort of like "we go up and down" and then this next part is sort of a trumpet call "and I play the trumpet". The entire piece is built upon that using different techniques of contrapuntal writing such as inversion and canon and imitation.
    0:56 INVERSION
    At the beginning Bach takes that theme and inverts it so instead of "I go up and down" and "and play my trumpet" he turns it and goes "I go down and up" and "and play my trombone". What was up and down is now down and up.
    1:21 THEME REPEATS IN DIFFERENT PITCH LEVEL
    Then he's changed to a different pitch level and he repeats that "I go up and down" and "and play my trumpet" "I go down and up" "and play my trombone"
    1:31 ORIGINAL THEME REPEATS TWICE IN THE ORIGINAL ORIENTATION
    Now he plays the original theme twice in the original orientation "I go up and down" and "play my trumpet" and that's the end of the opening
    2:39 CALL AND RESPONSE
    Now we have a call and response section where the left hand leads the right hand follows the left hand plays "up and down" the right hand plays "down and up" and they play together they're down and up
    3:08 FLIPOVER
    Now, at measure six, he flips all that over and the left hand now plays that entire melody with "up and down" and "and play my trumpet" then "I go down" and "play my trombone" where the right hand now plays that dolly sort of brassy accompaniment to this
    3:50 COMPRESSION
    At measure 9 what happens is that this idea of flipping back and forth gets compressed so in each measure the roles are reversed. In measure 9, the left hand is now playing the eighth note bouncy accompaniment and then the next measure, the right hand takes the bouncy accompaniment and the left hand plays that melody, and then they switch again for the next measure
    4:30 STRAIGHT CANON
    Now a straight cannon. So the left hand starting in measure 12 plays just a sequence we call a sequence of that motif played over and over. The right-hand plays exactly the same thing only two octaves higher
    5:04 PARALLEL THIRDS
    Now, at measure 14 they come together and play together in what we call parallel thirds and so there's very much a togetherness happening now. They've had their back and forth but now they've come together
    5:35 CANON AGAIN
    So then, Bach says, well let's do that cannon again, that was kind of fun, we'll do it again, so the left and the right-hand do exactly the same thing, only an octave higher
    6:01 FREE COUNTERPOINT
    At the very end, Bach does what we call a free counterpoint

  • @rosenachan
    @rosenachan Před rokem +2

    Thank you so much for the video! I am preparing this song for my RCM exam. Always have trouble understanding this piece. Your analysis is very easy to understand. Now, this piece sounds a lot more playful and poetic to me! Wish I could come across this video earlier! May I suggest adding " BWV 785" to the video title? It may help other students to find this video as well!
    And it took me a few time to spot the black blur was your cat around 1:57!

  • @miaprkt
    @miaprkt Před 8 lety +2

    This is very helpful because I am playing this for a piano concert so i can remember this from you!!!!!!!! :)

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 8 lety

      +Mia Park Torchinsky I'm glad. I hope you have a successful and enjoyable performance.

  • @Hulloder
    @Hulloder Před rokem +1

    Great video! It made me appreciate the piece so much more!

  • @Mariposa_46
    @Mariposa_46 Před rokem +1

    Thank you for this interpretation.

  • @CarmenReyes-em9np
    @CarmenReyes-em9np Před rokem +2

    Te felicito por el análisis 😃

  • @ShirleyKirsten
    @ShirleyKirsten Před 6 lety +2

    I appreciated your analysis though I don't sense a trumpet motif in this particular Invention. Some of the secondary dominants create an emotional shift especially that which applies to the modulation to G minor. i.e. Measure 9 to 10. Bach's harmonic rhythm is a springboard to creating these emotional responses. (Harmonic analysis is always helpful) In addition, falling sequences where both hands plays sets of 32nds in common rhythm suggest a diminuendo. (not of course trying to emulate a harpsichord but availing of the rich dynamic palette of the pianoforte) Bach emphasized the legato cantabile in his prologue to the two-part inventions. I think of this one as more in the universe of singing legato, though I respect those who have a different sense of phrasing, groupings, articulation.

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 4 lety

      The energetic leaps are what inspired my brassy reaction. I don't think they are a cantbile figure; have you tried singing this piece? Legato is certainly possible though not necessarily natural in this pitch sequence. I cut my musical teeth as a harpsichordist. This instrument requires a lot of imagination to render expressive performances. Your idea of the implied diminuendo is correct I think, and requires a subtle increase in connection between the notes to achieve this effect. I appreciate your challenge to my ideas, as well as thank you for emphasizing the emotional effect of harmony and for bringing up Bach's admonition about cantbile. But I don't believe this blocks any variety in articulation or interpretation. Thanks again for your knowledgeable words.

  • @hannahschul5321
    @hannahschul5321 Před 9 lety +3

    I'm late to the discussion, but just want to thank you for this analysis. It will really help my students to understand what they are doing!

  • @kushaldasgupta
    @kushaldasgupta Před 4 lety +2

    Very inspiring. Thank you!

  • @lbbit7625
    @lbbit7625 Před 3 lety +2

    Great explanation, thank you!

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you, LB! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

  • @michaelnancyamsden7410

    Thank you. I am a grand mother working on this. You analysis is helpful.

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 3 lety

      I'm glad this is of some help to you.

  • @williamadolphe7921
    @williamadolphe7921 Před 3 lety

    Watching this in 2021. Thank you for posting!

  • @moolanlue3803
    @moolanlue3803 Před 9 lety +1

    Nice video! Loved it!

  • @phuonganh2068
    @phuonganh2068 Před 2 lety

    Thank you so much I needed this!

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 2 lety

      You are welcome! Glad it could be of some help to you.

  • @jvmvidela
    @jvmvidela Před 10 lety +2

    Thanks for this analysis :)

  • @Hajjmusic_
    @Hajjmusic_ Před 3 lety

    Thanks for this!

  • @Hallucinato444
    @Hallucinato444 Před 6 lety +2

    You dont explain the theory behind the chords. Which is a true analysis. You just pointed out the easy to spot compositional forms

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 6 lety

      Halluci, I agree that a harmonic analysis would complete the picture. However, this video was made for a dance class where I don't cover harmony in any depth at all. My focus, obviously, is on the thematic material.

  • @radmek
    @radmek Před 9 lety

    Gracias!! Me ayudó mucho con mi tarea!!

  • @mutzicat
    @mutzicat Před 10 lety +1

    Thank you !!

  • @haixiachen4177
    @haixiachen4177 Před 7 lety

    I like it thank you☺️👌🏼🎹

  • @therogue3463
    @therogue3463 Před rokem

    Lovely

  • @rwane9144
    @rwane9144 Před 8 lety +1

    thankyou ! means a lot to me :) subscribed !

  • @joecarr2224
    @joecarr2224 Před rokem

    Enjoyed it. How about discussion of scale degrees? Tnx.

  • @mcanta
    @mcanta Před 10 lety +1

    REALLY THANKYOU

  • @Chantillyrosablog
    @Chantillyrosablog Před rokem

    👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @randyclar747
    @randyclar747 Před 8 lety +2

    Good job, man.

  • @JohnToenjes
    @JohnToenjes  Před 9 lety +2

    Why can't you play staccato in Bach??

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 9 lety +5

      ***** So then you advocate a dry, detached sort of touch? BTW, I play harpsichord a lot, and you can definitely execute staccato, though you are correct about legato (which you can't truly get on a piano, either).

  • @aikifab
    @aikifab Před 2 lety

    Laughing about the trombone: I'm currently practicing the left hand on my trombone

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 2 lety

      I'd love to hear that!

    • @aikifab
      @aikifab Před 2 lety

      @@JohnToenjes No you wouldn't 😉 Trombone design doesn't allow the same agility as the fingers... The tempo is then much s.l.o.w.e.r. One of the reason my teacher picked up this score is to improve my speed. And also to have some fun playing the right hand part while I play the left...

  • @raycasbierd
    @raycasbierd Před 6 lety

    Brilliance ecnaillirB please do another one eno rehtona od esaelp peace B Cool looC B ecaep.

  • @jeffreycliff922
    @jeffreycliff922 Před 2 lety

    > This should be creative commons, not youtube standard license.
    [it is now]
    *edit* thank you. downvote reversed

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 2 lety +1

      I didn't think of this...I changed it at your suggestion.

  • @jabbapop
    @jabbapop Před 8 lety +1

    I met your video incidentally after MINE OWN. You do an EXCELLENT job at making "classical" music seem incredibly STUPID. Those pasty wigged ^*$(#&$ERS need some knocking down. But dang, some beautiful music...Anyway, I've got to remember this. +2

  • @noscrubbubblez6515
    @noscrubbubblez6515 Před 2 lety

    I go up and down and play my trumpet. Or; mask goes on and off and protects nothing.

  • @butterflywings5644
    @butterflywings5644 Před 6 lety

    Sorry but those words do not fit the rhythm! I'm guessing English isn't your first language which explains that.

    • @JohnToenjes
      @JohnToenjes  Před 6 lety +6

      I am sorry to completely disagree with you. There is one syllable per note. I will let others weigh in on whether my words fit the rhythm.
      And English is indeed my first language. Please be kind to others.