The Rise and Downfall of Twenty One Pilots Part 2
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- čas přidán 19. 01. 2024
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Today I will be talking about twenty one pilots downfall from fame, pointing out important facts such as what went wrong for them, and the crucial role that their fanbase plays in keeping them afloat.
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Scaled and Icy is supposed to have a more upbeat tone to it. It was made during COVID when everyone was kinda hopeless. It was supposed to be a little beacon of happiness/hope for everyone. I personally love it, Shy Away and Saturday introduced me to the band. But hey music is subjective it's rare that two people have the same taste in music. But good set of videos to watch I enjoyed.
Hey I really appreciate this comment!! Yeah, you be you and keep rocking scaled and icy, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter what everyone says, if you like the music then it's good for you ❤️
this is the best thing about music fr. you enjoyed it and lots of other people did!! i didn't personally enjoy scaled and icey but objectively it's a good project. music can change and be different, artists are allowed to experiment. just becuase i don't like it doesn't mean that it's bad and i feel like that's what people need to realize...maybe the album just was for u. it doesn't mean the artist or group has never released anything good or that the will never release anything good.
@@hailey-tu7ut 💯
Yeah exactly. I’ve been a fan since 2012-2014. (Found them in 2012, saw them live in 2013, and became a huge fan in 2014). And, honestly, I kind of hate how people are saying that it is bad because of the lore, when in reality that is a cop-out. With this said, it isn’t bad, it’s just upbeat. However, it is less deep, for sure. Less poetic, yes. So I do think it is not as good as their other albums, I do think it is better than blurryface. I think that music is subjective and I think many just hate it because it sounds happier. Which is too bad. I think it is way better than blurryface.
Great point!!!! I LOVE Sia!!! It was a GREAT album. And yes, life was very heavy at that time…
Scaled and icy is supposed to feel off there is lore in twenty one pilots music
I've definitely heard that theory and I'm familiar with the lore, but in my personal opinion it sounds too much like an excuse for having lower quality music. There can still be an off feeling while still having good music: example, I like the lyrical content of mulberry street and how it's happy but kinda weird, but the song itself doesn't do much for me
You can still make the songs sound good yet still have the propaganda lore
@@HKatz-xe9dv ya that was kinda my thinking too
Yh it’s supposed to be propaganda by Dema
@@animalfries1I wouldn't say it's an excuse for lower quality music, it's an excuse to make more light hearted, pop music. Whether or not it's low quality is a matter of opinion. Personally, I like this album. It's definitely not my favorite TØP album, it's right in the middle. But, I do not think it's a bad album at all.
First off, 57yo fan here. Huge fan since Blurryface. Not the typical fan, by any means.
I love SAI. I needed SAI with pandemic. Tyler talked about how he couldn't write something dark at this time, he didn't want to turn a mirror on our world. SAI is a vibe. Thank you Tyler.
I also love Trench. It is a masterpiece, and I can't deny it's their best work. Tyler said Trench was a reaction to Blurryface, a left turn. Same for SAI it was another left turn. I love that he changes up the sound. I believe this mix of music styles is why i can listen, and relisten without getting bored.
Thanks for this video. Some good talking points.
Thanks for the comment!! I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)
Food for thought : as artists and musicians, they've been performing the same songs for consecutive days, months, years. Some of them are heavy, some have screams in them, some are overly dramatic. These are all things that make TOP awesome. But imagine only doing this during live shows, rinse and repeat. From my point of view, creating SAI was not a standalone project, but an addition to a whole repertoire that allows them to bring new emotions, (literally) colours and energies to their live shows, seing as they've always put their live experiences first.
That is actually a very interesting pov, thx for the comment!
I agree. I didn’t love the album, but seeing it live really shows how amazing it is, and the contrast.
I hate Never take it, but Bounce man makes me so happy. Genuinely, it is a guilty pleasure.
As much as I dislike bounce man, it's actually my ringtone 😂
The next album will be a very lore heavy mix of blurryface and trench
Ya prolly
Here after the release of Clancy, they're definitely rising up again with this album and hope this helps new hardcore loyal fans join the clique.
I hope so too
Hey, extreme diehard twenty one pilots fan here. I love the videos!! SAI is amazing in my opinion, and as the other comments said there are many reasons as to why it sounds a lot different than past albums beyond just "oh it's for the lore" It was, but Covid also thru a wrench in their plans & as we all know the pilots thrive in the live performance enviroment!
I yapped a whole lot but great vids! Love seeing this band dissected and discussed
Ty!! I appreciate the comment! :) Yeah, SAI was definitely a sidetrack album in a way, which I suppose I didn't touch on all that much in this video. Anyways, Clancy is out soon let's go!!!
I was a TOP fangirl, and went to their trench tour. yes i cried a lot. Personally, I love Trench, but maybe a tiny bit less than Blurryface. Chlorine is a BANGER tho. When Scaled and Icy came out I was really excited, but i felt disappointed in the songs. They're just not... good.. to me. A lot I find catchy but not in a "I wanna listen to this again" kind of way. I hope something new comes with a harder hitting heart to the music. ALSO im still upset songs like Ruby, Lovely, etc aren't on spotify
Yep, I can relate to that feeling a lot when SAI came out. Also yeah it's kind of a crime they're not there
@@animalfries1 we all got pink and blue balled
@@Strawbrriezzz lmaoooo true 😂
They're unofficially published as podcasts, you can add them to your playlist
@@cristian00100 I actually never thought of that, thank you!
I’ve been to many a live show from a variety of artists, and twenty one pilots have by far the single best live performances I’ve ever seen, hands down. Although their newer shows are just a tad toned down compared to the Vessel/Blurryface era shows (which are truly once in a lifetime EXPERIENCES), I urge anyone who’s never been to go.
Their albums are great, fantastic even. Their live shows are LEGENDARY, unmatched, unforgettable.
Fr
Scaled and icy is writing for their fans when taking lore into account. I have a feeling within a couple months this next twenty one pilots album will be written sonically and lyrically exclusively for lore TOP fans
Fr
I think this album helped me, and many others throughout the pandemic. Post pandemic, yeah it is not a favourite. But was incredolby helpful to me.
I guess that's not really something I thought about. The fact that this album helped people get through Covid would definitely be a good reason for the album to be so much more up beat
@@animalfries1 Yeah for sure. I feel like I would not have given it slack if it wasn't made during covid, for the purpose of a feel good album to raise people's hopes, and thoughts during covid. Releasing a depressing album, would be more helpful in the long run, but in the short run, it is less helpful.
I started listening to twenty one pilots in September 2016 (when I was in my late teens) and it has been quite a journey. Seen them live twice (Emotional Roadshow in 2017 and Bandito Tour in 2018). Stressed Out, Ride and Heathens got me into the band initially but listening to Blurryface and Vessel got me really interested. Then after the first time I saw them live in 2017 I discovered their two Self-Released albums and enjoyed them both. But the one thing that I have enjoyed the most (and still do today) is Trench, it was definitely worth the wait and being apart of that album cycle from start to finish is something that I will treasure for the rest of my life. And to this day Trench is by far my favourite album. I agree that I liked the concept of Scaled and Icy (and the Livestream Experience) but the music was really disappointing. But I believe that Tyler was going to make an album that continued the story of Trench, but COVID hit so he took a different route, which is understandable but after about 6 months I got really bored of it. Shy Away, Formidable and Redecorate are my top songs on that album. Looking forward to see what they bring out next.
Thanks for sharing! I can relate to a lot of this
This is at the bottom of the SAI poster: “The views and opinions expressed on this program are those of the Sacred Municipality of Dema and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the artist.” They made this album for Warner who is trying to control their work. And they proved that controlled, they are not themselves.
Makes sense
i’ve been a fan since 2012 when a friend shared a few of their songs with me. ever since then twenty one pilots music has been the soundtrack for my life just as it has been for many others. i respect everyone’s opinions when it comes to music, we all have things in our lives that shapes what music we are drawn to. but in my opinion the hate for scaled and icy truly baffles me. yeah it’s different than their past albums, that’s what it’s supposed to be. when you listen to sai, trench and bf along with watching the mv and diving into the lore, it all fits together like a beautiful puzzle. a puzzle which would not be complete without sai or any of the other pieces. after clancy comes out and we’ve had time to take in the entirety of this epic story they are telling us, maybe appreciation for sai will grow.
To be clear, I do really enjoy the overall story, and I understand the concept of scaled and icy being propaganda. I just don't enjoy the music. Of course, that's just my opinion, there's lots of people that do enjoy it, but either way there's no denying the overall story is great and very unique to just twenty one pilots
I'm back at it again! Scaled and Icy definitely isn't their best album, and I wholeheartedly agree that Trench is their best. But Scaled and Icy, while maybe a mid album for TOP standards, had good songs. Mulberry Street is a vibe in my opinion. And in TOP lore, it's a propaganda album. I know you don't just make an album for just the lore, but it plays a part. (plus, Blurryface isn't that much of just a sellout. listen to songs like doubt, heavydirtysoul (all time favorite TOP song of mine), and lane boy.)
I can get behind this 💯
i got into them through my friend in junior high, shortly after blurryface was released, and fell in love just off of listening to BF, then vessel, then into the deep cuts and older stuff.. i think it’s always been about the fans for them. ive obv changed music preferences over the years, and it’s mostly maturity, what i relate to, and overall perspective, but ive never not loved the band. the change in music has always been for the fans, and doing what no one expects in an unexpected way (if that makes sense) I also think SAI was their worst album, but again it was definitely intentional. they know what their fans like and are familiar with, and know that any positivity from the masses is an added bonus. I could go on and on about the band, their music, and what it all means to me, but i know top is one of the best bands on the planet and are still the most popular “underground” band i know of. good series. would like to see some points revised tho.
Thank you for sharing!! Yeah, that's probably top's best attribute, they keep the fans first. It's pretty crazy
Good video!
Thanks man!!
SaI was also when the bishops were forcing Tyler to “perform”. I loved SaI, so does my 21 yr old son. Ok not every song is my favorite but 2/3 of the album makes me happy. You’ll have to do a part 2. The rise, the fall, the rise again. 😊
If it makes u happy, who am I to shoot that down, I'm glad you enjoy the album :) yep, I currently have some ideas lined up😶🌫️
Good video ❤
Thank you!! I appreciate you watching! :)
3 years later after SAI - Twenty One Pilots releases clancy and is 2nd in the Billboard Best Artist chart (under Taylor Swift) and Clancy is 3rd best album in Billboard 200.
Great video btw!
Very true, I didn't thing it would happen but I'm glad it did! Thx :)
@@animalfries1 Same, I thought Clancy's popularity would just be like Vessel's popularity. Now, seems like Twenty One Pilots' Full Length Album "Clancy" will be smashing "Blurryface" and smashing the music industry.
@lachlangene I would agree I just don't think Clancy has a song that will pop off like Stressed Put and Ride did. I can see Routines in the Night getting heavy radio play, but that's about it
@@animalfries1 I also agree, Clancy Songs won't be the same perticular level as Stressed Out and Ride. They both hit too different.
Agree a bit with this. Ricky Reed was in blurryface. That alone is enough to prove they wanted blurryface to be the flagship money maker. (My theory, they had an agreement with FBR to get sales and blurryface was so successful they did not need to agree to label's opinions in future projects. Evidence of this, everything after blurryface was released in their own yt channel, hinting change in record label agreement.
Yeah that actually makes lots of sense to me. Obviously nothing can be proved so it's all speculation but I think these are good guesses
as a MASSIVE twenty one pilots fan I just want to say I pretty much fully agree with you. Some of the fans in these comments are making me cringe, defending the band with everything they have. People are aloud to have different opinions guys!
I appreciate this comment! I know I'm in the minority and I made these two videos knowing that, so I honestly deserve it 😂 thank you for sticking around!
And today is the day when they will make a comeback
Yessir 💯
I think SAI was created the way it was totally on purpose. Because if you follow the LORE... you know that this album is supposed to be propaganda. Its supposed to have a fake poppy corporate feel. And you won't understand their final album unless you learn about this.
James, hear me out. I know the lore. I heard the excuse that it's supposed to sound fake poppy because they were forced. Why does the music have to suck?
Personally when it comes to SAI i do think its much worse ghan trench and probably their worst album but also i often listen to it just for good vibes. Mallberry streets, bounce man, shy away and a few more are just si damn fun. Also redecorate is awesome.
I perfectly agree with you, and yes, redecorate slaps
I never realised Scaled and Icy was out. I just realised now that they're going to release the new one that that existed.
Yeah you prolly didn't know because it didn't have many hits on it
really high quality videos. excellent work, thank you for these :)
❤️
Exactly, I love redecorate (best song on the album) like the lyrics and every smh But the outside is pretty good too. Yeah the lyrics and alr but if your just listen to the sounds/beats it feels more immersive, you feel like your there. Idk maybe it’s just me lol
No it's not just you haha I was addicted to the outside for like 6 months
When you get older you'll probably like scale and Icy quite a bit. That album was dope.
And understanding why he made the album after everybody wanted the off themselves due to the government's ability to find a way to lock us all away and create a upper echelon of control
Maybe, I guess we'll find out
Yeah i agree, i have been a fan since 2017 and i loved Blurryface - Vessel, and when Trench come out i feel like It wasn't the same obviously, but still feeled like a lineal progresssion from blurryface (especially in the lore ofc) but when Scaled and Icy came out, i doesn't feel like it was the same band. Yeah i expected it to be more happy/pop because of the pandemic (like Level of Concern) but at the same time i was expecting more songs like Redecorate. And instead half of the songs on the album feeled like fillers, like bounce man, never take it or no chances (plus i dont really like how the old songs sounded in the icy tour).
In the end i liked the album but at the same time it was disapointing. Really hoping the new album to be like you said.
Yep, now it's just hoping the next album slaps. Thx for watching!
SAI was a good album, but it was intended to be weird for the band and almost an experience. Of course its nothing like any of their superior albums, but when you find out the lore of the band it makes sense.
Almost every song from Scaled and Icy is almost a “cry for help” in the lore. When you take a deep dive it all makes sense. Also, sense this album was made in covid times, it was ment to be happier.??…?
Fr
I do not agree 100% with everything you say, but overall good work and nice to watch, ty for these two videos.
I appreciate the comment, and also thx for watching both videos! A lot can change in a few months, I like Clancy a lot
i really liked scaled and icy. this album made me feel optimistic about everything were happening in the world during COVID and im my own mind. i agree it isn't the duo's best album, but i think it is a such good album to get an optimistic point of vision when your head is blowing up :)) (this is not a criticism, it's just a note)
I like the optimistic view point, I'm all for it. Thx for watching and commenting!
yo idk if you've heard of sleep token but if you haven't i think you'd really like them
Never, I'll have to check em out
Scaled and icy
Was so bad
I chucked it in the bin
The first day i bought it
It was so bad i didn't give it a second chance .
Yessir
@@animalfries1Ha Ha .
@@lindapestridge3073 haha Clinton dix
I feel there’s a pattern going on here , drop one album for the fans & drop another for the record labels to be appeased but if you listened to most of what going on through the release of scaled & icy & read into the lyrics & imagery you would understand that they were clearly saying the album was purely made for the record label , the people in power to be happy but not what they intentionally would want to make & yes redecorate is meant to show promise & hope on going back to more familiar roots hence the current announcement of their new album “Clancy” but cool video I guess it killed some time for me 🤷♂️
I agree with every word you said, except for the killed time part 😭
SAI was made during covid, Tyler just had a kid, and covid was present during that time so I think it was suppose to be more upbeat if you think about it Logically, and yes I totally agree that it's probably their worse album (NOT COHERENTLY MEANING IT WAS BAD). Also after they made SAI they made Clancy... which IMO it's a running contender for Vessel.
Good points. Ya it's not terrible by any means but it's their worst work fs
I've been a fan for 11 years now. I used to love everything they put out. But now that I can form my own opinions, Blurryface does have songs I skip. Trench I skip Smithereens, and Scaled and Icy has no skips in my opinion. I know the whole "they made pop music because of the lore and its an excuse" thing and I understand how some people dont like it. But I love it. I think theyre allowed to experiment with their sound. They change their sound every album!! I'll probably be a fan til I die tbh. I dont think theyre going downhill. With this next album, they'll definitely be returning to a darker theme and it might be their best album yet.
I stand by that I like all of their music. Even tho I can agree that some of it is less good than others. But I don't think they have any terrible songs.
Haha I feel very similar to you. Everyone has their own music taste, it's not like we need to love every single song they put out. But I am excited for their next album, should be fire
I think there's a lot of water to the theory that SAI was made for COVID - they felt that people needed something more upbeat and poppy at the time. I think it wasn't originally their plan; before COVID they were planning on the finale to the Blurryface+Trench story, but the record label put on a lot of pressure on them to release something much sooner, as also happened with many other bands at the time (presumably to make the most of the spike in demand for new music). So they pivoted and quickly put out Level of Concern, later following suit with SAI. Based on various interviews, it seems pretty plausible that for their next album, they're going to resume their work originally planned to succeed Trench.
I think it's also plausible that LoC + SAI and their timings was a compromise between the band and their label. Imagine: it's winter/spring of 2020 and much of the world is isolated from one another. The label asks TOP for an album as soon as possible. TOP doesn't want to rush their work however and risk putting out something half-baked, so they reach a compromise. They put out one song very quickly (LoC), and agree to put out a brand-new album (SAI) in a year's time.
Another factor is that because they worked on this during quarantine. Tyler has said before that the live shows hugely inform the music he creates, and since they suddenly weren't touring anymore, he was finding it difficult to tap into the right headspace.
I never thought about the timeline going like that, but that would actually make tons of sense because it really felt like SAI came out of the blue. I like your theory, thx for commenting!
the compromise makes a lot of sense, especially when you tie that into the SAI marketing with Tyler/Clancy being forced to write & the fine print saying the album is sponsored by Dema.
Also, i have long suspected Dema was the label or some component of the record industry. When Josh said Tyler was busy severing ties with Dema, i think it was talks to regain control of their music. And then we got Trench. Meanwhile, the Fandom created the concept of the tower of silence, and Tyler redefined Dema, and turned it into the city.
Also, I love SAI.
@@girlwithnoname956 I never thought about the cutting ties as referring to the media. Makes a lot of sense
@@animalfries1 sorry. I wasn't clear. I was saying severing ties with the label's management over their music, not the media.
@@girlwithnoname956 haha no your fine, I actually knew what you meant but I just wrote media for some reason 😂 what you said makes sense
I highly suggest you watch this interview: 'Twenty one pilots in 21 minutes, Fuse TV" Tyler explained how they were working on new music (Blurryface) on the bus while on tour for vessel. This was not a "cash out" label-driven album of commercial music. Please do more research before you comment on TØP.
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I have watched countless interviews on twenty one pilots, including this one. I stand by my opinion
The, I am Clancy video they just released proves our point...it's a lore and you are too obsessed with analytics to realise this.
I do know it's a lore. I'm going to be making a twenty one pilots full lore iceberg after the album drops, hope you'll watch!
@@animalfries1 ofcourse I'll...you can count on it
@@rajaryan52 I knew I could
Scaled and Icy is my favorite TØP album
We all got different tastes
I agree that Outside is super repetitive. It's interesting, but it was the first song on SAI that I lost interest in. I don't wanna bash it, but it's great knowing that someone else isn't a fan of it either. The Outside seems to be one of the most acclaimed songs from SAI, and I never personally understood it.
Funny thing is that it's my favorite song on the album 😬 and I still don't care for it lol
Honestly, I kind of agree with your blurryface point. I feel like blurryface is by far their worst album. I feel like it is at points trying to be too edgy, but then at the next point is too open. It feels like a debut, in a way. Anyways. Good video!
Hey I appreciate you watching!! 🙏
Unpopular opinion, even as a longtime Twenty One Pilots fan, I actually kinda liked Scaled and Icy. Sure, Never take it, Bounce man, and to an extent Shy Away and Mulberry Street were either bad or meh, but it had bangers like Good Day, Choker, Outside, and the allmighty beast that is REDECORATE. IMO Shy Away live version is better, and Mulberry Street is just a bit too long for being repetitive. Those are really my only complaints with the album, and that I wish it had one more song after No Chances to boost redecorate to fit a bit nicer and cohesively. I'd probably put it as... my 3rd favorite album? The Vibe and aesthetics are just so well done for me to really dislike it. Musically is far from the best, but everything else was very well done.
Yeah I feel very similar to you. I do enjoy some things about SAI but it isn't the best album by any means. Thx so much for watching and commenting, means a lot :)
I think that in order to fully appreciate Scaled and Icy, you have to understand the lore and the storyline. Scaled and Icy was ‘written under Dema’s control,’ where they were trying to cover up Clancy and his failed attempts at escaping. It is purposefully pop-y and flashy, to prove a point.
In theory, I would agree with you, but I have followed the lore extensively prior to scaled and icy releasing and afterwards, and it doesn't feel like a good excuse to make kinda meh music by just saying that they were controlled by Dema or whatever. If you're going to make pop music, make some bangers, not this. Of course, scaled and icy being a bad project is my opinion, other people might love it so that point is null
I wonder how much of SAI was retconned into the lore vs really being there from the very beginning.
You know what? What if S&I was made also to show truly what it’s like when they let their record label have control
And now this next album is really gonna show them at 110%
I'm so excited for the next album bro
@@animalfries1 same
I genuinely think this album is gonna cement them as a top tier band cause even when trench released their label warned them the album was a career suicide and they proved the label wrong
@@KnightReacts yeah that's the hope at least haha
“None of the songs on scaled and Icy are good” “redecorate is the only good song on scaled and Icy”
Man I can't say anything without getting the benefit of the doubt 😭
scaled and icy was written by clancy under the bishops’ supervision, after trench, which exposed how dark and sombre dema really is, they desperately tried to cover up the bad things about dema and made “fun” propaganda
my theory is that they just kinda wanted to experiment with other types of music and used the propaganda thing as a cover if it didnt stick, i personally enjoy sai tho, so it did stick for me
also i believe sai is similar to the livestream experience in the sense that at the end it starts to peel off the disguise and we get no chances and redecorate which sound more like trench, the true sound of the band
💯
This made me think that trench is probably about tyler trying to escape the main stream (dema) and be with his fans (banditos)
I never thought about that before... But now that you mention it lol that does kinda make a lot of sense
Actually I don't know if you understand the purpose of SAI, but I'm not judging you.
They made this album as they were forced to do it, to be pop and call people know vialism values (SAI is propaganda). Furthermore, the happier vibes not only serve as a bait, but to try to make people happier during the pandemic. And this movement begun since LOC era.
I might not see the same mistakes as you see because I'm huge fan, and sometimes it can blind us, but whatever, this is my thought on it.
I have heard that, and I actually think it's a really good piece of lore for the album. In my opinion the music just doesn't live up to the lore, but again that's just my opinion. If you love this album please don't let my opinion change your stance on it, keep on listening 💯
I actually really like scaled and Icy lmao i dont get the hate. And even If its not their strongest work, i dont think It means theyre falling out. I feel like for that to be a case with an artist it has to be more than one weak record, and i would call SAI weak at best giving other peoples opinions on It, even tho i really like it
Good point
i don't think you should criticize something that you don't fully understand, scaled and icy was (in the lore) made technically by the niners. So it's normal that it feels different compared to their others album and redecorade seams different because it's written by Clancy (the protagonist of the story). I agree with you, scaled and icy is clearly not their best album but the goal of this album is really non-conformist and I respect the risk that they took just so that the lore can be even more deep and realistic.
The thing is, I have followed the lore and I fully understand it. That being said, if they're going to make pop music that they're "forced" to make, then make good pop music. That's all I was really trying to say
ok i see your point, don't worry. i am fully agree with you on that, it probably just bothers me less then it does for you.@@animalfries1
@@user-tm5se6ok8b yeah your definitely right, I mean some people might like the music others might not, I'm excited for the next album either way
In retrospect I think you weren't too far off on your take for Clancy haha. From what I've seen fans of TØP absolutely live Clancy and other people not so much.
@@Velociraith1 ig maybe, I think my expectations were a little too high for this album, it was still really good but also felt like a letdown kind of
I feel like the video is a about someone struggling to grasp the change in music style and blaming it on the fact that it Tyler was somewhat happy during this time especially if you don’t know that albums history. This video just kinda feels like your saying Tyler’s music was better when he was depressed. Respectfully
Honestly I didn't think about Tyler's happiness/depression. I definitely wouldn't have made a video based on that, that would be messed up. I just don't like SAI and I like everything before it. Not sure what else to say
I created walls for houses y’all can thank me. Unless you live in a cardboard box in which case you can also thank me because I created those too
Ok
Totally ignoring the pandemic and the lore of being controlled and dealing with depression and putting on a front when yoire really struggling... its not all about the sound, its the message in the overall package
That's kind of the problem though, the album requires the backstory for you to enjoy it fully. It should just be good music
@animalfriesmusic it doesn't require it at all. It's there for those who want to figure it out. Even before I started looking into it, there were so many longs that hit in the feels for so many reasons (losing friends to suicide or losing a grandparent or just not having a great time at work and feeling controlled and a loss of creativity).
It's the dimension that so many other songs lack in their lyrics that stes twenty-one pilots apart
@@LisasLabs I get that, definitely, and I agree. I guess it's just because everytime I say that I don't like SAI, people say it's because I don't understand the lore. It's the go to excuse
SAI is just not good overall. I like the concept and how it fits within the DEMA plot, but it's the weakest thing they've ever put out and I think part of the reason is Tyler's occasional artistic pretentiousness.
He's always had this disdain for pop music (which is funny for obvious reasons) and it really shows on this album because it lacks EVERYTHING that makes good mainstream pop. Almost like, since he looked down on the genre for so long, he never bothered dissecting its inner bits and pieces.
And the result is a lame attempt at a dumb catchy tune.
You can make great music and have it be pop. "1989", "Future Nostalgia", "Aferhours" are all superb pop records, and though the beats are upbeat and the lyrics are trivial, they sound like there's thought and purpose behind every melodic, rhythmic, and harmonic choice. SAI sadly just sounds like someone was dared to make a pop record and scoffed as an answer.
EDIT: Woah that sounds like I fucking hate it haha, I don't. I do think it's their worst album, but I still enjoy The Outside, Mulberry, and Bounce Man, and No Chances and Redecorate are actually amazing in my book.
@@Ty-mu7gl this makes soooooo much sense. Totally agree with this
Wtf!! Never Take it is a great song! come on!
Sorry man, not my cup of tea
SAI is apart of...the lore...😐
@@Crigsy yeah
I think another factor in their downfall is the long hiatuses they take. 4 years between each album, with very few non-album singles. (besides Heathens, LOC, and Christmas)
There was a time when bands released albums on a yearly basis, 2-3 years maybe. Many bands have released 10+ albums in the time it took TOP to release 5-6.
No hate to them though, TOP is truly my favorite band of all time. But fans will inevitably lose interest (and "toss it to the side" when they're done with it, as was stated in this video's intro) during those gaps in albums. I think this is partially because Tyler Joseph prioritizes tours, and at the end of the day, I think it's what he enjoys most -- being a performer over being a musician. (In my opinion.)
I actually really agree with this 💯
Who told you they've fallen😒
My mom
Nice comeback 😅😂
@@SH3RGXZ yessir
I don’t think they necessary fell off they more so hit the moon with stressed out then fell down a little bit but are still in high earth orbit
Are you an astronaut or something
You realize they just had the Take Over tour and the Icy Tour and sold out stadium everywhere. Your thoughts here are so far from facts and they are bigger than ever lol What a joke.
No, I had no clue!!! You're joking, right??? Oh, scaled and icy did better than trench and blurryface??? No way!!!!!!
First of all u should stop thinking about how Tyler thinks
...? Not sure what you mean...
For every album u r explaining u r trying to think what Tyler was thinking before making this move or this album. How r u sure that Tyler was thinking this certain way or not ?
@@iancrasta3479 yeah, I was attempting to. I don't know for sure. This is speculation, just my personal theories
Standard angry comment
Haha, well I appreciate you watching the video anyways
@animalfriesmusic Lmao no problem. It did feel weird going into this album getting whiplash stylistically but honestly ignoring all the lore and such I personally like to view it as them being in better headspaces. It's like all other albums have been a heavy theme of depression with a hint of happiness hidden within whereas Sai is a heavy theme of happiness with a hint of depression hidden within.
You don't wanna say abot the.... twitter incident, do you. The possibility of him focusing on self help while never attempting to understand others was big eww for me. Redecorate doesn't hit me anymore.
Twitter incident? I'm not familiar