@@stevenwan9561 iridium was implying specifically to the Chinese and Chinese only, comparison to other nations is very unnecessary. Neither was it racist, I do not find it racist at all.
Polar Bear I haven't read anything on it so it's not like I know much about it but did the mercenaries really run across open ground like that? I mean, it seems kinda dumb to run into a wall of bullets.
Hepatitis Yeah, I mean they knew the Irish werent well equipped. If they charged in at all sides they could make it and overrun the Irish but they were too well dug in for it to work so yeah. Human wave tactics would work since they dont really have the firepower to deal with it
To understand why the Chiang Kai Shek lost to Mao Zedong could be due to that. When Mao send 5 Armies, they all go as ordered, meanwhile when Chiang send 5 armies, 2 of them will lie that they send their armies to the battlefield, 2 will wait and see whose side is going to win before moving, and only 1 will really go to their battlefield.
Not only that. All the supplies and weaponaries sent by the Nationalist government to their armies mostly didn't make to their troops. Either it was being kept by their corrupt commanders or smuggled out by their own very troops to be sold in black market in order to buy food for their family. And all these goods that were being sold in black market ironically landed in Communists' hands. Incompetence and corruption. That's how the KMT lost the war.
@@theavgeek7473 It's not true, the PLA also fought, but they led a guerilla campaign because they were too weak to tackle the IJA head on. The war weakened the Nationalist Army severely, but they were still more numerous and better equipped than the PLA when the civil war began.
@@joetrump2983 Looking from the battle between ROC n PRC historical account in China heartland, most KMT soldiers are either runaway or desserter to Mao camp. Mao does not have a standing army to fight against IJA
I love how the Nationalists have American equipment like the M1 Thompson and the Communists have Soviet equipment. A grim foreshadowing of the decades to come.
It was not necessarily a foreshadowing. The PLA were already receiving equipment from the Soviets and scavenged Japanese equipment left in Manchuria to aid their effort in the civil war. The Nationalists also had access to American equipment as Americans lend leased ROC during WWII, and many of those stockpiles were left for the Nationalists to use against the Communists. Both Soviet Union and USA had interests on creating spheres of influence over China before WWII ended.
Chiang Kai-shek used to visit the USSR and Russians helped nationalist as much as they could from the beginning since they thought that Chinese communists are weak, since China didn't have strong worker class, only millions of peasants, the only thing which was asked from nationalists are tolerance towards the communists. Before Chiang Kai-shek has ordered communist massacre on Shanghai the communists and nationalist even had offices in the same buildings. And after the massacre communists were utterly destroyed. Only thanks to the atrocities of the nationalists towards to common folk of China, communists gained foothold, and overpowered them.
@@bydloshkolnik Wait, i thought that ROC and USSR hate each other even before WW III. That's why Roosevelt and Churchill even separated their Allies meeting with them. They meet Stalin in Tehran, and then meet Chiang Kai Shek in Cairo.
Fun fact: much like steel helmets, the clone trooper armor’s primary purpose was to protect from shrapnel and explosions, which is why their armor looks useless against direct blaster fire
@@rometotalsam Not really. The clone troopers' and stormtroopers' armor was made of plastoid. It was meant to make the wielder completely shielded against chemical weapons. It was also protective against ballistic weapons, such as bullets and shrapnel. But the main purpose was to create a lightweight armor with chemical protection, a heads-up display, and air-filtered masks with built-in oxygen tanks, making the soldiers capable of fighting in almost any environmental condition on any planet for ease of mass-producing standardized uniforms that work anywhere.
@@42069TV the communists absolutely fought the japanese, you couldn't step outside to pee as a japanese soldier in northern china without taking a bullet to the head. the nationalists were throwing numbers at the japanese, who would easily just mow them down... the communists played it smart and struck at japanese supply lines. the communists were so effective in northern china that the japanese resorted to literal genocide (the three all's policy) to try and weed them out, and even then they didn't. i don't even like communist china and i can acknowledge that they fought the japanese extremely smart.
@@akriegguardsman5238 have u ever watch tge wandering earth or ne zha ,if china want they can make movie with full cgi. But war movie is better with less cgi
@@akriegguardsman5238 5-10 years ago china cgi yes its sucks ,even now still have small issues its still good progress and i dont see much negative comment about wandering earth cgi
The real tragedy is the KMT members who were left behind after 1949, those who did not flee to Taiwan with Chiang Kai Shek. Some of them were jailed for decades and had to divorce their wives. It happened to a distant relative of mine (I had never met him but he's somewhere in the family tree). He was a KMT general who was captured and jailed after their defeat, he had to divorce his wife to save his wife and children from persecution. Eventually they were reunited, but he was already very old...
@@dingleberry4234 They were ordered to stay in Burma and Thailand to assist KMT when KMT fight back to mainland china from Taiwan, but it never happen at the end. Those soilder and their offspring still staying in Thailand till now as stateless people. sigh.
"We have to mobilize hundreds of thousands of troops" - Every ancient Chinese general. "We have to mobilize 5 million troops" - Every Chinese general in WW2.
Fun fact: in 200 bc china was able to field a million soldiers to fight wars, albeit in a short space because yes, it is possible to make it standing army but no, they're not gonna drain their money
@@civ6enjoyerfromrussia816 The main difference is some dynasties could field 1 force of that size, but in the 20th century onward fielding divisions of 75k-150k was just routine. Its really amazing what our ancient ancestors were capable of from an organization standpoint. And also amazing what modern armies in the 20th centuries could do without computers.
@@civ6enjoyerfromrussia816 i know a battle between Qin, or Chin, who have firstly united China, and another state, Zhao, both sides mobilized more than 400k soldiers and logistic people. in the decisive battle Zhao failed, the captured soldiers were all killed, only about a hundred of them were released because they are less than 16. with 400k people killed almost no young man in that state survived
Well, from a Western perspective and if we see what is currently happening in the Ukraine, there has been a downgrade on the capacity of mobilizing great masses of people for war. Long story short, the Russian army does not even have 0,5 million people allocated in that war now. And the Ukrainian army even less.
Mike Carone Nah，the CCP would love for people to know about how they crushed the KMT army who have more troops and better weapons at the time. （the CCP‘s victory was almost a miracle considering how much larger and better equipped the KMT army was at the beginning of the war）But the things is that its a civil war and Chinese people aren‘t proud of our history fighting each other.
I like how both sides use equipment from USA and USSR and other countries. Even the Belgian pistol the commander uses is an amazing touch. Attention to detail like this is what makes films great.
For the Kuomintang the weapons fit very well. The Communists however used mostly soviet stuff irl. But in this movie they got exactly the same guns as the other side like Kar98, Thompsons, Sten Guns and Shermans.
During the second Chinese Civil some KMT defected to the Communist, also if the Communist force were to capture the KMT force any of their capture weapon will be used.
@@willthorson4543 it doesn't have to be accurate. It only needs to represent what it was like during the civil war . The film never claimed to be based on true story, it was just inspired by true events. If you want accuracy there's documentaries for that.
i didnt have high expectations but i must say this is actually a good (and much more accurate) portrayal of the PLA and how they fought. their tactics were often seen as rudimentary but they absolutely were not. one has to consider that during this point the PLA was still mostly a guerrilla army. they had more heavy equipment than they had in years prior but still not a lot, and their organization was built for things like this. just the discipline required to dig earthworks like that means that the army must be well drilled and heavily motivated. the frontal attacks are the same, especially given as they were designed to break down into close quarters combat. staying cohesive in that sort of chaos takes iron discipline. chinese infantry was so good at infiltration. did the same thing to the US army and marines in korea. the casualities will be high but the chinese army can take them if they have to.
I think the best part was the beginning because he knows that it’s hopeless so he doesn’t want his men to die for nothing. At this point it’s death for the sake of the death
Fun fact: The Chinese Civil War is still going 'till this day. There was no armistice nor peace treaty. The ROC is quite undefended. The United States of America could withdraw any second. I wouldn't expect such hope within retaking the mainland. It's basically a 3:1 ratio. (This is an edit to a past comment.) Another edit: Toward Tree Fiddy. Such a wise statement. But also quite controversial. We don't know what future ideologies would be present within the distant future, or whether we'll go into old Ideology beliefs. So, the ROC and the USA would experience severe retaliation if the mainland was invaded once more.
True, the war is still going. Taiwan (Republic of China) is still the last place left for both the Chinese Nationalist & former mainlander refugees. Still protected by the US. I wonder how long it would last?
Fun fact: Taiwan is more Chinese than the mainland. The CCP destroyed their Chinese heritage through the Moa purges and reeducation. If you want to see what real Chinese culture is like it's found in Taiwan.
@@moe3213 No? China would've been industrialized years before they did in our timeline, and would've been much more prosperous. That's not even an opinion, it's a fact when you take into account Mao's disastrous policies.
@@xanshen9011 not entirely true. Chinas culture and morals (before maos “cultural revolution”) had standards and deep morality about those kind of things, and I doubt politicians would’ve attempted imperialism like the CCP does today. You also have to take into account that the KMT planned to implement democracy as they did in Taiwan. (Which would create for a far more peaceful society and government) They would compete against the west, but there wouldn’t be threats of nuclear war or any of this insanity we see today. They’d just be a bigger, stronger Japan.
@@nahtanaught Which is still a threat. You dont have to be a military powerhouse to challenge western hegemony. Theres this thing called soft power which honestly works better at subverting and destroying rivals than outright conquest/hard power. Japan was an economic threat and Korea is a cultural threat with the rise of kpop.
They won in central China and south at beginning of the war. But when the KMT lost the most critical battles in Manchuria, the industrial and mining centre of China, it is only a matter of time for a communist victory. KMT losing Manchuria was actually pretty reasonable, as the people there have been under Japanese oppression for decades. People wanted something radical rather than a republic. You can argue that communist China is bad and all, but the fact was that North eastern China was almost all for the communist. And that is the ultimate downfall.
Communists agree to attack the japanese together with nationalist but only lips service. They wait until nationalist lost so many manpower and equipment against the superior japan imperial army.
Wait so your saying it’s a distraction so I’m Japanese war nationals fight them to use a lot of supplies and at the end they had flag of their supplies gone and since this happened it was easy for communist to take over?
Both the KMT and CCP had educated on both sides, although later the CCP's educated would end up getting killed by said CCP. The majority of the Educated went towards the KMT and ended up fleeing to Taiwan however the Communists actually had tactically superior Military leaders and much less corrupt leadership in general, that's why the Communists won.
@@taiwandxt6493 yes, also the fact that the ccp were hiding off in the mountains when the japanese invaded, then beat the battered kmt i quote from Mao Zedong: “(Japan) doesn’t have to say sorry, you had contributed towards China, why? Because had Imperial Japan did not start the war of invasion, how could we communist became mighty powerful? How could we stage the coup d’état? How could we defeat Chiang Kai Shek? How are we going to pay back you guys? No, we do not want your war reparations!”
ROC and PRC: **Destroying each other** The warlords: You know what? Let's get involved and take sides in that. What could go wrong? **Two wars later** The warlords: THIS WAS A MISTAKE!
MAO negotiated a peace treaty with Chiang kai-shek in Nanjing, but Chiang did not accept the peace terms. China must be unified, so it has to fight again until the winner is decided.
@@user-th2lx3wl6s The ROC has evolved beyond what it was under Chiang. Chiang was a despot, just like Mao. It's against the CCP's current wishes for their supporters to even be free here on the internet. You'd best make yourself scarce.
In Mainland China, popular opinion of the nationalist soldiers during WW2 is positive. People don’t actually hate nationalist soldiers and there are countless pop culture tv shows in the Mainland praising the nationalist narratives.
I guess no Chinese have bad feelings for nationalist soldiers since they are the major force to fight against the Japanese, but it is not the case for the nationalist party.
Another factor that resulted in the loss of the Civil War for the KMT (it wasn’t a huge factor but it should be said) That was Japan’s Operation Ichi-go their largest offensive in all of WW2 pretty much drained the Nationalist army of their best divisions. And when I say best divisions I mean THE BEST German trained Cream of the crop with the best equipment in their whole army but of course it was Japans largest offensive so it drained them of all the experience so it didn’t help when the civil war kicked back up.
ur clueless at the start of civil war KMT had 2.7mill troops vs 1.1 mill CCP and they got absolutely destroy u know why? cuz More than 80% flip to the other side IDIOT aka it means KMT solder dont believe in the BULLShit KMT was selling and join the REAL DEAL CCP LOSER get a clue
@@Noacuracy just like any other democratic ruled nation, the rich gets richer the poor gets poorer. The communist party rode on the poor and won it all.
The men who died on both sides loved, dearly loved their families and only wished to return home. May China never again experience such pain. This was horrible anguish. Please RIP Chinese patriots.
I mean I think the soldiers we're fighting because they believed they we're on the right side to make their countries a better place, the sentence "Young men who don't know each other and don't hate each other are killing each other for fat old men who know each other and hate each other don't kill each other" wouldn't apply better
Even though the alliance was uneasy, it's hard to believe that these 2 sides fought together between 1937 and 1945 against the Japanese... There is even a picture of Chiang Kai Shek and Mao from a meeting in september 1945, where they both toast with drinking glasses in their hands over the victory that the Allies achieved over Japan.
The Chinese communists and the nationalists did not fight together against the Japanese invaders, although it appears that they did. The Chinese communists, during the early part of the war, were a smaller force compared to the Nationalist army. Thus, the communists, even though they were opposed to the Japanese invasion, were not in a position to fight them head one but, relied on only laying low and slowly building strength. The Nationalists, on the other hand, were the only ones that had an organized army with artillery and such. But, no air force, a small number of tanks, and a lot of men but, not really well trained. Their best trained divisions, trained by German officers at the time, fought against the Japanese when they invaded and bombed parts of Shanghai. The Nationalist soldiers fought bravely there but were lacking in support and logistics. That foto of Mao and Chiang Kai Shek toasting their unity together was a high pressured situation created by the US, trying to get the two forces to work together. However, Chiang hated the communists and Mao was determined to convert China to communism.
With the exception of Steven Spielberg, nobody does battle scenes as well as John Woo. This scene reminds me of the battle for Saipan in Windtalkers. In the 1990s, Woo made extremely violent gangster movies like A Better Tomorrow (which had a very intense and graphic final gunfight) but the fighting in the gangster flicks was not as realistic as the WWII and Chinese Civil War movies he has made in the last two decades. FYI: Zhang Zhiyi and Takeshi Kaneshiro who starred in the House of Flying Daggers are together again in this movie.
Fun fact: The mortars made with oil barrels in the film is called "mei liang xin pao", or "the conscienceless cannon", these DIY weapons are made on the communist side and can fire crude explosives to up to 200 meters, but it is extremely prone to accidents.
This movie is about the last of the three decisive battles of the Chinese civil war in 1949, Huaihai Campaign, between the communists and nationalists. The nationalists lost the battle and therefore the civil war, and retreated to Taiwan.
Yes and compare Taiwan to China now. Taiwan is a first world national and also ranks top 10 most democratic. China is poor and authoritarian. The nationalists losing and retreating to Taiwan was a sad time in history.
@@sammymartinez9813 Taiwan is a first world national? Not so sure as it only has diplomatic relationships with a handful of countries and ten percent of its people living in mainland China. The nationalists were very corrupted before retreating to Taiwan.
@@sammymartinez9813 China is not poor. You have a misunderstanding. The wealth in China is centralized but if it was spread out it would be just about a 1st world nation.
@@helloworld0609 Taiwan is a 1st world nation. Search up what a 1st world nation it's to do with the income people are making and their life style. IT has NOTHING to do with diplomatic relations
Basic mistake. there was no such thing called "the people's republic of China" until October 1949. The Republic of China was considered eliminated since then (except the remaining resistance fled to Taiwan). So the title should not be "War between ROC & PRC", rather "war between CCP&KMT"
This is probably one of the few war movies made without much biasness or false impressions of friend and foe. I remember the Nationalist general saying that the civil war are fought by brothers against brothers. Edit: 12:16 I started tearing at this part.
Yeah, but the nationalists were corrupt and evil back then. Public executions of civilians as a desperate measure and sheer corruption had the people turning to the communists. It was so bad I think this high ranked US soldier who witnessed the nationalists corruption recommended rather to work with the communists because the nationalists were evil and corrupt.
@@Nathan-cd3fw We may have been corrupt, but it was us who laid down our lives preventing the Japanese Invasion. We suffered 14 million casualties while mao sat in a cave right next door in Shanxi doing nothing except raiding our supply convoys meant to feed and supply my ancestors.
@@user-uy7qg3ot4n Ikr that's pretty fucked in my opinion. In my opinion, the kmt soldiers were one of the best and bravest soldiers in ww2 but unfortunately, the kmt government seriously let down its people and soldiers. It is their fault that these men never got the recognition they deserved. In the end no matter how strong an army is if even the people of the country don't support them then they lose.
@@redlizerad8268 Its their fault for defending China against Japan while the CCP sat back and did almost nothing the whole war except prepare for a Civil War? My great grandfather wasn't killed by the Japanese he was killed by CCP race traitors defending the retreat to Taiwan. Complain to Xitler wumao.
The Chinese Nationalist Army was just like today's Afghanistan government army, corrupt and chaotic, though much stronger, braver and better equipped. My 2nd favorite movie of John Woo, after the Red Cliff.
@@mrjam5036 They came out of the second world war far better equipped than the communists. The KMT literally had no popular support from the Chinese populace at the time. Poor Chinese peasants werent going to risk their necks for the KMT and welcomed the communists. They were corrupt and their supplies KMT generals received would be sold to the communist forces. They had every opportunity to win the civil war and lost because of their corrupt fascist government. Chiang Kai Shek's own diary shows he puts 100% of the blame on corruption within the government.
@@mrjam5036It means nothing but KMT was so dumb, cuz KMT initiated the war not the CCP, originally Mao was trying to establish a united government, and Chiang was too confident lol
During Second Sino-Japanese Civil War the Nationalist Army look like German soldiers fighting the Japanese and in Chinese Civil War they look like American soldiers fighting the Red Army
No. When he joined the Nationalist Army, he lied that he was married so that his family would get more food rations as the families of married soldiers in China did at the time. It was a selfless act, not a selfish one.
Oh you are Chinese? Could you let me know what's happening here? I'm not so familiar with Chinese history. Aren't the both sides Chinese so why they fighting if same?
@@ekanshgupta2421 This movie is about the late Chinese civil war, shortly following the Second World War when the Chinese Nationalists and Communists turned on eachother following their partnership in WW2. After about four years of fighting, the Nationalists were forced to retreat to Taiwan (where they continued to this day as the Republic of China), and the Communists effectively won the Civil War, founding the PRC.
Besides from the oil barrel mortars and potato sacks obliterating buildings and making trucks fly, I’d say this is a pretty good movie that I’d watch if I knew the name.
The oil barrel mortars are actually base on historical background. The people's liberation army crated them because they lack heavy weapons and they worked most of the time for infantry target.
@@theoheinrich529 They are real, worked on enemy infantry targets and it is an headache for the Nationalist army who refer to it as 没良心炮, mortars without conscientious. People's Liberation Army lacked heavy artillery at the time and use it as a substitute for real mortars.
@@theoheinrich529 Barrel bombs and "Hell canons" have been used to deadly effect in Syria if you want a recent example. They're both improvised artillery made from gas canisters and barrels
The ROC slowly collapsed through wavering monetary supply from the US, desertions, internal intrigues, harsh troop punishments , internal corruption and vicious treatment of the populace in disputed areas. Many Kuomintang Generals were warlords who withdrew their opportunist loyalty once the outcome appeared obvious and tried to form their own deals with the PLA. The ideology behind the Chang Kai Shek's empire was riddled with inconsistencies, corruption and brutality and only clung on because of US funding. Whole units ended up deserting to the PLA. I visited Taiwan in 1970 as a sailor onboard a visiting Frigate. It resembled a City under Siege. At 12 Noon everyday, sirens sounded, jet fighters screamed overhead. Military were everywhere. They had a poor Navy, a small flotilla of frigates, and smaller class of warship. And enough Admirals to sink a battleship. I know this because I think most of them attended the opening ceremony of a new building, the truthfully looked only half finished. This occurred next to our Frigate at the docks in Kaoshiung City. It left a lasting memory for me. I know Kaoshiung has changed radically since then and by all accounts is an attractive city to visit so if possible, I will revisit this area and the whole of Taiwan and have a good look around.
ray hughes I’m a Kaohsiung native, thanks for the snapshot description! I’m pretty sure you knew this already, but Kaohsiung is the Naval Command in Taiwan. It has always been heavy with military activity, especially in the 70s with the hostilities in Kinmen and outlying islands. If Chiang had American support after WW2 ended, I’m pretty sure he could have united China eventually, or at least not lose it all to the USSR-backed Mao.
I believe a lot of what you said are true, but I also believe General Marshall contributed to the outcome of the civil war. That leads back to the negative tension between Stilwell and Chiang from the war prior.
@@akumah the negative tensions you talk about were the subject of many an analysis. Chiang's wife was the real persuader with western diplomats, but Stilwell's frustrations at Chiang's lack of ability to get things done are a failure of the Americans to understand his Eastern approach. To the Americans, it was black and white. This led to the inevitable withdrawing of money despite Madam Chiang's abilities... I would recommend you try and get hold of a copy of "In search of history" by Theodore H White for an on the the spot journal overview of that era from an American journalist.
@@rayhughes Nice, thank you. I will definitely look into it. I have tons of history books by authors from Mainland China, Taiwan, Europe, and U.S. authors. The most recent one I read was “Chiang Kai-Shek and the Struggle for Modern China” by Jay Taylor and “Forgotten Ally” by Rana Mitter. Just about every book I've read has stated that Stilwell was very arrogant and led to many defeats in the Burma campaign.
@@rayhughes I would love to talk to you more about this if you're interested. I'm always interested in learning more about this. I was also a history major.
I know we’d just finished wwii, but given what’s happened since then, we really should gotten involved with this war. Allied with the Nationalist forces and fought Mao.
it wasnt that simple the communists had soviet aid at this point while the nationalists had american/ allied aid but if either sode would have stepped in the other would have been forced to act as well.
I am a chinese mainlander and I also cried at the end. We are all chinese. This never had to happen. Salute to ALL the soldiers who died in this civil war
@@teru797 I hate those red bastards just as much as anyone else, but they DID fight against the Japanese. That was the only time that there was a semi-truce between the two factions. That said, though the Kuomintang is (was) reactionary, they eventually transitioned into a full-fledged democracy. We can assume the same would have happened around the same time, if not a bit earlier, if they won the civil war. We would have a truly staunch ally in Asia, an extremely powerful one. But, it seems we are destined to confront each other...
@@scottkrafft6830 They did technically. They hid and sometimes attacked after a battle, or small scale skirmishes, but 90% of the fighting was done by the Nationalists. Look up most of the major battles.
@@teru797 Really? Your argument is invalid. The nationalists were the ones who pushed the communists back into the mountains. Its not because the communists didn't want to fight Japan, its because they literally couldn't do anything even if they wanted to because they would have to fight both the nationalists and Japan at the same time. In addition a lot of KMT soldiers were recruited by Japan to spy for them.
Chiang Kai-shek (31 October 1887 - 5 April 1975), also known as Chiang Chung-cheng, Chiang Chieh-shih, Cheung Kai-shek and Jiang Jieshi, was a Chinese Nationalist politician, revolutionary, and military leader, who served as the leader of the Republic of China from 1928, until 1949 in mainland China, and then in Taiwan until his death in 1975.
@@notxarbsenoj9231 I don't believe that. KMT army was vanquished by Japanese who was competely defeated by the US. And PRC pushed the US army back to N38 line from Chinese border in Korean War with fewer army than both KMT and Imperial Japan in WW2. So you can see how weak KMT army was. It didn't have power to eliminate communist even Japan had not invaded.
@@jiayili6481 You think throwing baseless statements proves your case what does the Korean War which was fought on a different fronts have to do with the Chinese civil war. The PRC had to flee KMT prior to the Sino Japanese war they had barely escaped so a couple more skirmishes and they would’ve lost. As for Korea The PRC used human wave tactics in the early years of the Korean War which they were moved down, during the end of the war they had to resort to Guerrilla warfare or be annihilated.
This was one of the worst naval disaster that the 20th century had ever seen and a real heartache Chiang's government and also to the whole Republic of China. Taiping was only supposed to carry about 550 personal but during that unfateful voyage, they were forced to carry twice the weight load and including crew were over 1,500 people on board. It suffered the same fate as they crashed into something in poor lit conditions just like the HMS Titanic but the Titanic hit a iceberg while the Taiping hit another vessel. The reason why the Taiping din't turn on their lights is that they were going on a ferrying mission against a curfew and thus during their journey from Shanghai to Keelung harbour in Taiwan, they had to switch their lights off for the entire journey and met with the tragic fate off Hangzhou Bay near Zhoushan. Due to being overcrowded, 1,500 were drowned when the ship sank as it was way overpacked and no rescue could be done. It became a sad tale and also an heartache to Chiang especially as the Taiping liner was the one that he took when he fled to Taiwan. That's not all. That said ship also helped him ferry his wealth, his family, the nation's gold reserve and even bulk of his army across to Taiwan and when he heard the ship sunk, he was pretty upset and even made a memorial later on and historians even placed it as significant as the Mayflower for what the Taiping liner did, ferrying mainland Chinese fleeing the Communist into Taiwan without fail till the sinking like what the Mayflower did to the Pilgrims did when they found America.
I just why... We’re all Chinese... We’re all brothers... Why does this have to happen Edit:Looking at this comment after a year, this comment is shit, the world revolves around power not race, lower classes, middle classes we are the same ‘race’, the leaders and dictators, they are the same ‘race’
If only japan had fully captured them, communists will be annihilated. Nationalists were weaken because they did all the fighting in the frontline while communists lying comfortably in their fox holes.
@@MrChow-sw5ub The Nationalists is so weaken that the troops developed from 1.9million to 4 million in those anti-japan battles. The Communists just lay in their holes and buy the weapons and cities from the Japanese. But as I know, the Nationalist lose cities until 2 days before the day Japanese surrender. While the Communist won cities back from the japanese 1 year ago.
Great special effects and acting ! But whats a bit odd is that both sides fight each other with exactly the same weapons. Thompson, Sten gun, Kar98 and E8 Sherman was Kuomintang armament. The Communists used mostly soviet waepons instead.
I remember when I learnt about the Chinese Civil War during history lesson at school, the major reason why the Nationalists lost was because of WW2. During Japanese invasion of China during WW2, the Nationalists faced the Japanese head on in battlefield, while the Chinese Communist Army fought the Japanese using hit-run and guerrilla tactics. This cause the Nationalists to suffer huge casualties compare to the Communist. Aside from that, huge inflation and constant wars demoralised the Nationalists, and Mao is a much better tactician. Oh and of course, the atrocities committed by both sides. Notably, the Communists were known to use civilians as human shields and forcing Nationalist battalions into surrendering by threatening to massacre unarmed civilians
aside from that the communist would often use the "human wave tactic" basically they throw huge amount of bodies toward the enemy line in huge numbers, they use the same tactic during the northen Vietnam invasion too but quickly realise the flaws of that
"Notably, the Communists were known to use civilians as human shields and forcing Nationalist battalions into surrendering by threatening to massacre unarmed civilians" Source: I made it the fuck up
China just seemed to be a real life Battle Royale game back in this period. While the japanese are invading, Chinese troops are being trained to use German equipment, then are given American equipment and some Americans fight alongside Nationalist forces, largely against the communist forces though.
That is not what happened. The KMT were exhausted from 20 years of nonstop war. The Chinese economy was collapsing because the KMT financed the war against Japan by printing money which caused hyperinflation and the Soviets were funding and equipping the Communists.
@@detox4590 what part of that was not factual? The KMT were exhausted from 20 years of nonstop warfare, they fought the Warlords, then the Communists, then the Japanese and then the Communists again. The Chinese economy was collapsing because the KMT were using inflation to fund the war effort, this isn't even controversial it is just what happened, that and the Japanese destroyed huge percentages of the Chinese industrial base. Is this the part that you contest? The Soviets were funding and arming the Communists, and handed over Manchuria to the Communists after the Soviets defeated the Japanese there, leaving behind massive stockpiles of equipment and firepower that the Communists used to turn the tide of the war. Which of these points if western propaganda? No, it is you who is listening to the propaganda of the Communist Party, who in reality did little to unify or protect China during the darkest hours of the 1920's-1940's. They did not defeat the warlords, they were not the major contributor to the war against Japan, they were opportunists who spent World War 2 building up strength and then bulldozed their way to power during the aftermath, in part by making promises they never intended to keep. Mao was, above all else, a complete hypocrite. When the Kuomintang weren't holding free and fair elections, they were unrepresentative tyrants (conveniently ignore that the Kuomintang did make a pivot back to democracy in 1947). Mao himself and Communist Party mouthpieces routinely called for democracy. They would write news articles on the 4th of July praising the American system of governance.
"美國是自由世界的核心，民主的保護神，人民的朋友，專制者的敵人。所有的封建專制統治者都把美國當眼中釘。美國是人類社會的成功模式的榜樣." "The United States is the core of the free world, the protector of democracy, the friends of the people, and the enemies of the autocrats. All feudal autocratic rulers have regarded the United States as a needle in the eye (an obstacle). The United States is a model for a successful model of human society." Xinhua Daily, 1942 蔣介石的獨裁和專政是必須要推翻的，因中國人民最需要的是民主政治，而民主的前提是要解決分權制衡的監督問題。中央的政府權力大得不得了，沒有人監督，選舉是假的，那些代表都需要聽國民黨的，不听就抓起來，甚至派特務搞綁架、暗殺，這怎麼得了?
Chiang Kai-shek’s dictatorship must be overthrown, because the Chinese people need democracy the most, and the premise of democracy is to solve the problem of supervision of separation of powers. The central government’s power is so great that no one is supervising, elections are fake, and those representatives need to listen to the Kuomintang. If they don’t listen, they will be arrested and even get kidnapped or assassinated by secret agents. How come this? Xinhua Daily, 1942 美國人民是中國人民的好朋友，我黨的奮鬥目標，就是推翻獨裁的共產黨反動派，建立美國式的民主制度，使全國人民能夠享受民主帶來的幸福。我相信，當中國人民為民主而奮鬥時，美國人民會支持我們。 American people are good friends with Chinese people. The goal of our party's endeavor, is to overthrow KMT counter-revolutionary dictatorship, to build an American-style democracy, and to let people nationwide have the privilege to enjoy the happiness brought by democracy. I believe, when Chinese people are striving for democracy, American people will support us. Xinhua Daily, 1943 有些人懷疑共產黨得勢之後，是否會學俄國那樣，來一個無產階級專政和一黨制度。我們的答復是：我們這個新民主主義制度不可能、不應該是一個階級專政和一黨獨占政府機構的製度。 Some people doubt whether the Communist Party will learn from Russia and become a dictatorship of the proletariat and a one-party system. Our answer is: Our new democratic system cannot and should not be a system of class dictatorship and one-party monopoly of government institutions. Xinhua Daily, 1945 “自由民主的中國”將是這樣的一個國家，它的各級政府直至中央政府都由普遍、平等、無記名的選舉所產生，並向選舉它的人民負責。它將實現孫中山先生的三民主義，林肯的民有、民治、民享的原則與羅斯福的四大自由（按：四大自由指美國總統羅斯福在第二次世界大戰期間提出的“言論和表達的自由”、“信仰上帝的自由”、“免於匱乏的自由”、“免於恐懼的自由”）。它將保證國家的獨立、團結、統一及與各民主強國的合作。 "Free and democratic China" will be such a country. Its governments at all local levels up to the central government are elected by universal, equal, and anonymous elections. These governments will be responsible for those who have elected them. This country will realize Mr. Sun Yat-sen's Three People's Principles, Lincoln's Principles of Citizenship, Rule of the People, and People's Enjoyment, as well as Roosevelt's Four Freedoms (refers to Four Freedoms President Roosevelt proposed during WWII. They are: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Worship, Freedom from Want, and Freedom from Fear). It will guarantee the independence, consolidation, unity, and cooperation with all democratic powers. Mao, 1945 人民民主專政需要工人階級的領導。因為只有工人階級最有遠見，大公無私，最富於革命的徹底性。整個革命歷史證明，沒有工人階級的領導，革命就要失敗，有了工人階級的領導，革命就勝利了。 The people's democratic dictatorship needs the leadership of the working class. For it is only the working class that is most far-sighted, most selfless and most thoroughly revolutionary. The entire history of revolution proves that without the leadership of the working class revolution fails and that with the leadership of the working class revolution triumphs. 'On the People's Democratic Dictatorship', 1949
"And then millions of people died"
- Every battle fought by the Chinese, ever.
Steven Wan Calm down, it’s a joke
@@stevenwan9561 I'm Singaporean Chinese. I can poke fun at Chinese failings without taking it personally, thank you very much.
@Louis Khoo Xun Fu Better a traitor to the Communist party than a traitor to the Chinese race.
@@stevenwan9561 iridium was implying specifically to the Chinese and Chinese only, comparison to other nations is very unnecessary. Neither was it racist, I do not find it racist at all.
@@stevenwan9561 You took it personaly. Calm down armchair historian.
finnaly a battle which shows both sides having casulaties...
Japanese, Korean, and Chinese films usually portray it this way. It’s a good change of pace
Goran lol that movie was so biased
Hepatitis I mean it actually was like that the Irish didnt sustain any casualties
Polar Bear I haven't read anything on it so it's not like I know much about it but did the mercenaries really run across open ground like that? I mean, it seems kinda dumb to run into a wall of bullets.
Hepatitis Yeah, I mean they knew the Irish werent well equipped. If they charged in at all sides they could make it and overrun the Irish but they were too well dug in for it to work so yeah. Human wave tactics would work since they dont really have the firepower to deal with it
To understand why the Chiang Kai Shek lost to Mao Zedong could be due to that. When Mao send 5 Armies, they all go as ordered, meanwhile when Chiang send 5 armies, 2 of them will lie that they send their armies to the battlefield, 2 will wait and see whose side is going to win before moving, and only 1 will really go to their battlefield.
Not only that. All the supplies and weaponaries sent by the Nationalist government to their armies mostly didn't make to their troops. Either it was being kept by their corrupt commanders or smuggled out by their own very troops to be sold in black market in order to buy food for their family. And all these goods that were being sold in black market ironically landed in Communists' hands.
Incompetence and corruption. That's how the KMT lost the war.
@@cungcung5042 yup
Which is why communism was better for China.
well, the 2 who lied were communist spies and sent those operation details to mao. That would explained.
@@theavgeek7473 It's not true, the PLA also fought, but they led a guerilla campaign because they were too weak to tackle the IJA head on.
The war weakened the Nationalist Army severely, but they were still more numerous and better equipped than the PLA when the civil war began.
“Im ready to accept my punishment.”
“Yknow what...your punishment is seeing this battle through.”
A punishment worse then quick death
@Yeshua Is Lord A bullet between my neck and my left lung will kill me instantly
@@birdbrianbig1261 Well, the Chinese are clever like that.....sometimes.
"Will there be a sequel?"
Xi Jinping: "Yes."
"I was asking from John Woo but okay."
LMAO
This is very underrated
realistically speaking, probably
Taiwan: and this time, you are going to the one getting your ass kicked
@@joetrump2983 Looking from the battle between ROC n PRC historical account in China heartland, most KMT soldiers are either runaway or desserter to Mao camp. Mao does not have a standing army to fight against IJA
Miracle the camera man stayed alive
every time the video cut is probably cos the cameraman got hit by a flying truck
camera man sus
it was actually many camera mans. RIPS.
Red sus
Yaa,,,amazing 🤭
I love how the Nationalists have American equipment like the M1 Thompson and the Communists have Soviet equipment. A grim foreshadowing of the decades to come.
It was not necessarily a foreshadowing. The PLA were already receiving equipment from the Soviets and scavenged Japanese equipment left in Manchuria to aid their effort in the civil war. The Nationalists also had access to American equipment as Americans lend leased ROC during WWII, and many of those stockpiles were left for the Nationalists to use against the Communists. Both Soviet Union and USA had interests on creating spheres of influence over China before WWII ended.
'Grim foreshadowing'? Oh boy, so much wrong with that statement.
Chiang Kai-shek used to visit the USSR and Russians helped nationalist as much as they could from the beginning since they thought that Chinese communists are weak, since China didn't have strong worker class, only millions of peasants, the only thing which was asked from nationalists are tolerance towards the communists. Before Chiang Kai-shek has ordered communist massacre on Shanghai the communists and nationalist even had offices in the same buildings. And after the massacre communists were utterly destroyed. Only thanks to the atrocities of the nationalists towards to common folk of China, communists gained foothold, and overpowered them.
@@bydloshkolnik Wait, i thought that ROC and USSR hate each other even before WW III. That's why Roosevelt and Churchill even separated their Allies meeting with them. They meet Stalin in Tehran, and then meet Chiang Kai Shek in Cairo.
Reddit historian detected lmao
Star wars clones: Die from a close-range explosion
Real-world soldiers: Die from long-range explosion
Fun fact: much like steel helmets, the clone trooper armor’s primary purpose was to protect from shrapnel and explosions, which is why their armor looks useless against direct blaster fire
Yeah like the scene in Star Wars rebels Rex complains that the stormtrooper armor is “useless”
You do know you die from shrapnels flying into your body at high speeds
FOR THE REPUBLIC!!! The galactic republic that is
@@rometotalsam Not really. The clone troopers' and stormtroopers' armor was made of plastoid. It was meant to make the wielder completely shielded against chemical weapons. It was also protective against ballistic weapons, such as bullets and shrapnel. But the main purpose was to create a lightweight armor with chemical protection, a heads-up display, and air-filtered masks with built-in oxygen tanks, making the soldiers capable of fighting in almost any environmental condition on any planet for ease of mass-producing standardized uniforms that work anywhere.
When men have nothing to lose, they try their hardest.
yes except their lives
But Republic of China had everything to lose and they've lost . The people had nothing to lose , and they won
True
Oda Nabunaga and his ashigaru.
HELLO NANU
4:48 certified Bruh moment right there
I honestly did not expect that, relief force that was supposed to save your ass joins the enemy army. Lmao bruh
Top 10 anime betrayals number 1
@@zlatni_orao that army that pushed was not The army ROC. It was one Corp in chinese PVA army
@@zlatni_orao they was one of The best soldiers that pushed. They was not ROC army
@@zlatni_orao IF you look åt The whole movie you gonna know
Fun fact they real use real bullets so they dont have to pay the actors
Brutal
Haha lol🤣
Underrated
😅
@White Star Alliance with real bullets duh. If the actors lived then theyed have to pay the actors
Everyone talking about the awsome effects and brilliant action and I'm just here like: Damn those Nationalist helmets look dope
The Nationalist were supported by germany
@@yarhacijin9463 Honestly, not suprising. Hitler indeed favor the Chinese more over the Japanese.
if he would've won ww2 and had russia, he'd most likely go to war with japan
Those helmets are American helmets too
@@yarhacijin9463 he’s talking about the M1 helmets jackass. Stop flailing random facts around to get attention.
Imagine starting a civil war, pausing it to fight together, and resuming it afterward
The communists bare fought the Japanese tho, 99% of the battles against the Japanese were by nationalists.
@@42069TV
the communists absolutely fought the japanese, you couldn't step outside to pee as a japanese soldier in northern china without taking a bullet to the head. the nationalists were throwing numbers at the japanese, who would easily just mow them down... the communists played it smart and struck at japanese supply lines.
the communists were so effective in northern china that the japanese resorted to literal genocide (the three all's policy) to try and weed them out, and even then they didn't.
i don't even like communist china and i can acknowledge that they fought the japanese extremely smart.
@@42069TV When nationalists retreated it was the communists that held off the Japanese invasions. That's why people supported PRC over ROC.
@@derps8690 Okay.....
@@TMsonjakopp7006 .....Oh boy...........................
I gotta appreciate John Woo's commitment to practical effects. Everything is so CGI nowadays.
In China we use very less effect because we suck and real bombs look better
@Roniixx please dont tell me this is another typical "hurr durr CGI bad regardless of anything"
@@akriegguardsman5238 have u ever watch tge wandering earth or ne zha ,if china want they can make movie with full cgi. But war movie is better with less cgi
@@tigerfist2864 I was talking about war movie but there were some small issues with the wandering earth graphics
@@akriegguardsman5238 5-10 years ago china cgi yes its sucks ,even now still have small issues its still good progress and i dont see much negative comment about wandering earth cgi
The real tragedy is the KMT members who were left behind after 1949, those who did not flee to Taiwan with Chiang Kai Shek. Some of them were jailed for decades and had to divorce their wives. It happened to a distant relative of mine (I had never met him but he's somewhere in the family tree). He was a KMT general who was captured and jailed after their defeat, he had to divorce his wife to save his wife and children from persecution. Eventually they were reunited, but he was already very old...
Some of them went to Burma and Thailand and continued fighting for decades.
@@ToBeFrank_. fighting who?
@@dingleberry4234 communists
@@dingleberry4234 They were ordered to stay in Burma and Thailand to assist KMT when KMT fight back to mainland china from Taiwan, but it never happen at the end. Those soilder and their offspring still staying in Thailand till now as stateless people. sigh.
I really don’t think that was the real tragedy. the PLA treated their prisoners significantly better than the KMT did
"We have to mobilize hundreds of thousands of troops"
- Every ancient Chinese general.
"We have to mobilize 5 million troops"
- Every Chinese general in WW2.
Fun fact: in 200 bc china was able to field a million soldiers to fight wars, albeit in a short space because yes, it is possible to make it standing army but no, they're not gonna drain their money
@@civ6enjoyerfromrussia816 The main difference is some dynasties could field 1 force of that size, but in the 20th century onward fielding divisions of 75k-150k was just routine.
Its really amazing what our ancient ancestors were capable of from an organization standpoint. And also amazing what modern armies in the 20th centuries could do without computers.
"decisive chinese victory"
@@civ6enjoyerfromrussia816 i know a battle between Qin, or Chin, who have firstly united China, and another state, Zhao, both sides mobilized more than 400k soldiers and logistic people. in the decisive battle Zhao failed, the captured soldiers were all killed, only about a hundred of them were released because they are less than 16. with 400k people killed almost no young man in that state survived
Well, from a Western perspective and if we see what is currently happening in the Ukraine, there has been a downgrade on the capacity of mobilizing great masses of people for war. Long story short, the Russian army does not even have 0,5 million people allocated in that war now. And the Ukrainian army even less.
Ngl this isn’t too biased or unrealistic
Ah yes. Because in real life, the PLA charged down a hill waving flags and screaming bloody murder and weren't shot at.
Ngl every movie is biased and completely unrealistic.
@@DoughBoy45 *downfall* : *coughs*
@@adolfyeetler9231 from the cyanide scenes? :D
@@DoughBoy45 Tora, Tora, Tora: *coughs*
Someone needs to make a Chinese civil war game!!!!
@Australian Confederates Chinese Civil war not ww2
The CCP doesn't like that
Mike Carone Nah，the CCP would love for people to know about how they crushed the KMT army who have more troops and better weapons at the time. （the CCP‘s victory was almost a miracle considering how much larger and better equipped the KMT army was at the beginning of the war）But the things is that its a civil war and Chinese people aren‘t proud of our history fighting each other.
@@heinzerr How would u call it?
fuck off don't blame everything on CCP
I like how both sides use equipment from USA and USSR and other countries. Even the Belgian pistol the commander uses is an amazing touch.
Attention to detail like this is what makes films great.
For the Kuomintang the weapons fit very well. The Communists however used mostly soviet stuff irl. But in this movie they got exactly the same guns as the other side like Kar98, Thompsons, Sten Guns and Shermans.
@@feanorn8409 Because during the entire civil war millions of kuomintang troops joined the PLA.
During the second Chinese Civil some KMT defected to the Communist, also if the Communist force were to capture the KMT force any of their capture weapon will be used.
so good i cant even tell them apart
those "mortars" remind me of that slav shooting a trash can cannon
xD yea
Wybuch śmietnika - strzelanie z karbidu POLSKA
@James T. Elliott I no speak London. Vee Govarite po russky?
Ahhh yes the Karbid kanon as we call it. Its awesome and It's done every year here in my country...
@@LIKEICARE84 Are you from Belarus, Russia or the Ukraine?
This is a pretty accurate and unbiased depiction of the Chinese civil war, kudos to the director.
It's not accurate at all. Lol
@@willthorson4543 can you provide better
And the writer 😁
@@willthorson4543 pussy can't even explain why
@@willthorson4543 it doesn't have to be accurate. It only needs to represent what it was like during the civil war . The film never claimed to be based on true story, it was just inspired by true events. If you want accuracy there's documentaries for that.
14:09 A very symbolic moment with the two flags, when the Nationalist flag bearer drops in the trench while the communist one flies over it
very tragic moment
@@Kabutoes K U O M I N W A V E
Kabutoes how so?
Subjective he mad
The true china falls and shit replaces it
I have to admit. The effects are really spot-on. Especially for the mortars and arty.
i didnt have high expectations but i must say this is actually a good (and much more accurate) portrayal of the PLA and how they fought. their tactics were often seen as rudimentary but they absolutely were not. one has to consider that during this point the PLA was still mostly a guerrilla army. they had more heavy equipment than they had in years prior but still not a lot, and their organization was built for things like this. just the discipline required to dig earthworks like that means that the army must be well drilled and heavily motivated. the frontal attacks are the same, especially given as they were designed to break down into close quarters combat. staying cohesive in that sort of chaos takes iron discipline. chinese infantry was so good at infiltration. did the same thing to the US army and marines in korea. the casualities will be high but the chinese army can take them if they have to.
I think the best part was the beginning because he knows that it’s hopeless so he doesn’t want his men to die for nothing. At this point it’s death for the sake of the death
Fun fact: The Chinese Civil War is still going 'till this day. There was no armistice nor peace treaty.
The ROC is quite undefended. The United States of America could withdraw any second. I wouldn't expect such hope within retaking the mainland. It's basically a 3:1 ratio. (This is an edit to a past comment.)
Another edit: Toward Tree Fiddy. Such a wise statement. But also quite controversial. We don't know what future ideologies would be present within the distant future, or whether we'll go into old Ideology beliefs. So, the ROC and the USA would experience severe retaliation if the mainland was invaded once more.
The Republic of China will have her mainland back hopefully in our generation or after us but sooner the better
@sincere True, we hope 1 of US lapdogs or Anglosaxons in UN stated that Taiwan is a FREE thing, then let we see.... Can't wait
@@sincereeastman6972 soon there will be no ROC anymore, how could such a party abondon by its people tiwce whithin 50 years.
True, the war is still going. Taiwan (Republic of China) is still the last place left for both the Chinese Nationalist & former mainlander refugees. Still protected by the US. I wonder how long it would last?
@@irritatedanglosaxon1705 Taiwan is a free country, what are you waiting for?
Fun fact: out of 193 countries, only 14 countries recognizes Taiwan as an independent country.
No. The fact is only 14 countries recognize Republic of China(ROC) represents the whole China. Taiwan has never been a country.
Yea cuz it ain't china after fleeing to Taiwan
Fun fact: Taiwan is more Chinese than the mainland. The CCP destroyed their Chinese heritage through the Moa purges and reeducation. If you want to see what real Chinese culture is like it's found in Taiwan.
This is ironic because Taiwan is an independent country
@@armandrodriguez8501 ironic because the taiwanese dont even consider themselves chinese anymore
Girls: "Boys don´t know true sadness."
Boys:
If the nationalists won China would still be shitting in buckets
@@moe3213 No? China would've been industrialized years before they did in our timeline, and would've been much more prosperous. That's not even an opinion, it's a fact when you take into account Mao's disastrous policies.
@@nahtanaught China would still be a threat to the west.
@@xanshen9011 not entirely true. Chinas culture and morals (before maos “cultural revolution”) had standards and deep morality about those kind of things, and I doubt politicians would’ve attempted imperialism like the CCP does today. You also have to take into account that the KMT planned to implement democracy as they did in Taiwan. (Which would create for a far more peaceful society and government) They would compete against the west, but there wouldn’t be threats of nuclear war or any of this insanity we see today. They’d just be a bigger, stronger Japan.
@@nahtanaught Which is still a threat. You dont have to be a military powerhouse to challenge western hegemony. Theres this thing called soft power which honestly works better at subverting and destroying rivals than outright conquest/hard power. Japan was an economic threat and Korea is a cultural threat with the rise of kpop.
Fun fact: Nationalist actually won a lot of battles as well against the communist but lost so yeah
They won in central China and south at beginning of the war.
But when the KMT lost the most critical battles in Manchuria, the industrial and mining centre of China, it is only a matter of time for a communist victory.
KMT losing Manchuria was actually pretty reasonable, as the people there have been under Japanese oppression for decades. People wanted something radical rather than a republic. You can argue that communist China is bad and all, but the fact was that North eastern China was almost all for the communist. And that is the ultimate downfall.
Most of the time communists werent fighting against japanese invasion so yeah..
Chill guys the war is over k
Communists agree to attack the japanese together with nationalist but only lips service. They wait until nationalist lost so many manpower and equipment against the superior japan imperial army.
Wait so your saying it’s a distraction so I’m Japanese war nationals fight them to use a lot of supplies and at the end they had flag of their supplies gone and since this happened it was easy for communist to take over?
Man, the precision on that artillery strike. No wonder the Communists won. They must have had some bomb ass mathematicians.
They did until they killed them after for being too smart.
Both the KMT and CCP had educated on both sides, although later the CCP's educated would end up getting killed by said CCP. The majority of the Educated went towards the KMT and ended up fleeing to Taiwan however the Communists actually had tactically superior Military leaders and much less corrupt leadership in general, that's why the Communists won.
@@taiwandxt6493 yes, also the fact that the ccp were hiding off in the mountains when the japanese invaded, then beat the battered kmt
i quote from Mao Zedong: “(Japan) doesn’t have to say sorry, you had contributed towards China, why? Because had Imperial Japan did not start the war of invasion, how could we communist became mighty powerful? How could we stage the coup d’état? How could we defeat Chiang Kai Shek? How are we going to pay back you guys? No, we do not want your war reparations!”
@@TheNightninja23 now now where you get that from
@@benice6908 that's literally history. There's no denying that
it's actually called the Chinese red army before it was called the people's liberation army
And before it was called the Chinese red army it was called the eighth route army
八路军->红军->解放军
ROC and PRC: **Destroying each other**
The warlords: You know what? Let's get involved and take sides in that. What could go wrong?
**Two wars later**
The warlords: THIS WAS A MISTAKE!
MAO negotiated a peace treaty with Chiang kai-shek in Nanjing, but Chiang did not accept the peace terms. China must be unified, so it has to fight again until the winner is decided.
@@user-th2lx3wl6s The ROC has evolved beyond what it was under Chiang. Chiang was a despot, just like Mao.
It's against the CCP's current wishes for their supporters to even be free here on the internet. You'd best make yourself scarce.
@@walnzell9328 The war between PRC and ROC will continue.😂🤣
Not even warlords but Japan also did their mistake too
lol
I see many people don know, during that time, the flag of Communist guerrilla force was the Soviet Union flag.
Because the Soviet pretty much equiped them during their assault on Manchuria
Fulcrox pretty much gave them literally everything
That's not a Soviet Union flag. It's the flag of the Chinese Communist Party. It's a hammer and sickle, but slightly thicker than the Soviet ones.
Actually its communism flag, there are diferences
then why was the flag shown the first international one? maybe I just didnt see the hammer and sickle tho
In Mainland China, popular opinion of the nationalist soldiers during WW2 is positive.
People don’t actually hate nationalist soldiers and there are countless pop culture tv shows in the Mainland praising the nationalist narratives.
I guess no Chinese have bad feelings for nationalist soldiers since they are the major force to fight against the Japanese, but it is not the case for the nationalist party.
Most KMT's generals are People's China heroes, who die in WW2 or defect in Civil War.
This is one of the few events that got me interested in Chinese history.
It's so vast though it's staggering
That is actually sad.
Another factor that resulted in the loss of the Civil War for the KMT (it wasn’t a huge factor but it should be said)
That was Japan’s Operation Ichi-go their largest offensive in all of WW2 pretty much drained the Nationalist army of their best divisions. And when I say best divisions I mean THE BEST German trained Cream of the crop with the best equipment in their whole army but of course it was Japans largest offensive so it drained them of all the experience so it didn’t help when the civil war kicked back up.
ur clueless at the start of civil war KMT had 2.7mill troops vs 1.1 mill CCP and they got absolutely destroy u know why? cuz More than 80% flip to the other side IDIOT aka it means KMT solder dont believe in the BULLShit KMT was selling and join the REAL DEAL CCP LOSER get a clue
@@pykemid3954 In English please. Your grammar is all over the place
@@yeshuaislord6880 in English? Its called 80 percent solider convert from kmt to ccp troops 😒
@@pykemid3954 What's a solider
@@pykemid3954 Found the Winnie The Pooh bot xD
At least the Nationalists were able to get to and hold kinmen and Taiwan.
the Nationalists were incredibly corrupt. theres a reason why everyone, including many of themselves, turned on them
@@Noacuracy just like any other democratic ruled nation, the rich gets richer the poor gets poorer. The communist party rode on the poor and won it all.
@@theoryxz wont disagree, but in reality it was 10 times worse
@@theoryxz Communist china today has the largest wealth gap in the world.
@@Noacuracy both are corrupt and shitty in the end, but at least taiwan goes democratic later on
that "not-Sherman" actually looks pretty decent for a mockup
Why would the communists have sherman tanks?
@@yeshuaislord6880 They took those tanks from the defected nationalist divisions
@@willtsui1236 Ahh I see makes sense. Thanks
The men who died on both sides loved, dearly loved their families and only wished to return home. May China never again experience such pain. This was horrible anguish. Please RIP Chinese patriots.
Get out of here, PR CHINA!
I mean I think the soldiers we're fighting because they believed they we're on the right side to make their countries a better place, the sentence "Young men who don't know each other and don't hate each other are killing each other for fat old men who know each other and hate each other don't kill each other" wouldn't apply better
Stupid quote honestly.
4:45 LMAO
reminds me of that Hitler scene with Steiner*
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So, the soldier confesses he has no wife and the very next command from his commander was "bring this to my wife"...
It means that "take care of my wife" i guess...
Even though the alliance was uneasy, it's hard to believe that these 2 sides fought together between 1937 and 1945 against the Japanese... There is even a picture of Chiang Kai Shek and Mao from a meeting in september 1945, where they both toast with drinking glasses in their hands over the victory that the Allies achieved over Japan.
The Chinese communists and the nationalists did not fight together against the Japanese invaders, although it appears that they did. The Chinese communists, during the early part of the war, were a smaller force compared to the Nationalist army. Thus, the communists, even though they were opposed to the Japanese invasion, were not in a position to fight them head one but, relied on only laying low and slowly building strength. The Nationalists, on the other hand, were the only ones that had an organized army with artillery and such. But, no air force, a small number of tanks, and a lot of men but, not really well trained. Their best trained divisions, trained by German officers at the time, fought against the Japanese when they invaded and bombed parts of Shanghai. The Nationalist soldiers fought bravely there but were lacking in support and logistics. That foto of Mao and Chiang Kai Shek toasting their unity together was a high pressured situation created by the US, trying to get the two forces to work together. However, Chiang hated the communists and Mao was determined to convert China to communism.
With the exception of Steven Spielberg, nobody does battle scenes as well as John Woo. This scene reminds me of the battle for Saipan in Windtalkers. In the 1990s, Woo made extremely violent gangster movies like A Better Tomorrow (which had a very intense and graphic final gunfight) but the fighting in the gangster flicks was not as realistic as the WWII and Chinese Civil War movies he has made in the last two decades. FYI: Zhang Zhiyi and Takeshi Kaneshiro who starred in the House of Flying Daggers are together again in this movie.
But what is the name of this movie? :O
@@psyzik8739 The Crossing. Sorry, I forgot to mention the title ha ha.
@@freakyold Ahh no worries ^^ thanks for answering :D
Woo should stick to gangster movies. I think I saw that supply truck do 8 backflips in this 15 minute clip. His tone just doesn't fit a war movie
@@pozloadescobar The artillery strike was pretty ridiculous too
John Woo really knows how to make a situation look like hell to the point I kinda feel like I'm in hell watching.
Nicholas Cage : John Woo is a master
Fun fact:
The mortars made with oil barrels in the film is called "mei liang xin pao", or "the conscienceless cannon", these DIY weapons are made on the communist side and can fire crude explosives to up to 200 meters, but it is extremely prone to accidents.
So they are like fougasse mortars but they used barrels instead?
Such an underrated conflict. I wish there were many more good films about the Chinese Civil War
"underrated conflict"
@@jayanan.7670 That is indeed what i said! Good job
theyre usually way too fucking biased because technically it still hasnt ended, and CCP is a sore 'winner'
Indeed, this is just one of the few films I’ve seen depicting the Chinese civil war.
This movie is about the last of the three decisive battles of the Chinese civil war in 1949, Huaihai Campaign, between the communists and nationalists. The nationalists lost the battle and therefore the civil war, and retreated to Taiwan.
Yes and compare Taiwan to China now. Taiwan is a first world national and also ranks top 10 most democratic. China is poor and authoritarian. The nationalists losing and retreating to Taiwan was a sad time in history.
@@sammymartinez9813 Taiwan is a first world national? Not so sure as it only has diplomatic relationships with a handful of countries and ten percent of its people living in mainland China.
The nationalists were very corrupted before retreating to Taiwan.
@@sammymartinez9813 China is not poor. You have a misunderstanding. The wealth in China is centralized but if it was spread out it would be just about a 1st world nation.
@@helloworld0609 Taiwan is a 1st world nation. Search up what a 1st world nation it's to do with the income people are making and their life style. IT has NOTHING to do with diplomatic relations
May I ask what movie this is?
9:32 when the fire resistance potion works for only a few seconds
Chinese version of imperial japanese banzai charge be like: 8:02
Basic mistake. there was no such thing called "the people's republic of China" until October 1949. The Republic of China was considered eliminated since then (except the remaining resistance fled to Taiwan). So the title should not be "War between ROC & PRC", rather "war between CCP&KMT"
Kinda a tear jerker at the end there.
This is probably one of the few war movies made without much biasness or false impressions of friend and foe. I remember the Nationalist general saying that the civil war are fought by brothers against brothers.
Edit: 12:16 I started tearing at this part.
Yeah, but the nationalists were corrupt and evil back then. Public executions of civilians as a desperate measure and sheer corruption had the people turning to the communists. It was so bad I think this high ranked US soldier who witnessed the nationalists corruption recommended rather to work with the communists because the nationalists were evil and corrupt.
@@Nathan-cd3fw We may have been corrupt, but it was us who laid down our lives preventing the Japanese Invasion. We suffered 14 million casualties while mao sat in a cave right next door in Shanxi doing nothing except raiding our supply convoys meant to feed and supply my ancestors.
@@user-uy7qg3ot4n Ikr that's pretty fucked in my opinion. In my opinion, the kmt soldiers were one of the best and bravest soldiers in ww2 but unfortunately, the kmt government seriously let down its people and soldiers. It is their fault that these men never got the recognition they deserved. In the end no matter how strong an army is if even the people of the country don't support them then they lose.
@@redlizerad8268 Its their fault for defending China against Japan while the CCP sat back and did almost nothing the whole war except prepare for a Civil War? My great grandfather wasn't killed by the Japanese he was killed by CCP race traitors defending the retreat to Taiwan. Complain to Xitler wumao.
@@user-uy7qg3ot4n what? I meant the government not the soldiers. U can’t deny that back then the kmt weren’t exactly the best government.
The Chinese Nationalist Army was just like today's Afghanistan government army, corrupt and chaotic, though much stronger, braver and better equipped. My 2nd favorite movie of John Woo, after the Red Cliff.
Nationalists were exausted by japanese, and thats why they lost civil war .
@@mrjam5036 They came out of the second world war far better equipped than the communists. The KMT literally had no popular support from the Chinese populace at the time. Poor Chinese peasants werent going to risk their necks for the KMT and welcomed the communists. They were corrupt and their supplies KMT generals received would be sold to the communist forces. They had every opportunity to win the civil war and lost because of their corrupt fascist government.
Chiang Kai Shek's own diary shows he puts 100% of the blame on corruption within the government.
@@mrjam5036It means nothing but KMT was so dumb, cuz KMT initiated the war not the CCP, originally Mao was trying to establish a united government, and Chiang was too confident lol
Stronger? Wow, I don't think you know much about the Afghanistan Army, bunch of guys too starved or too drugged to fight.
@@Echani3007 he's saying the NRA was stronger than the Afghan Army
During Second Sino-Japanese Civil War the Nationalist Army look like German soldiers fighting the Japanese and in Chinese Civil War they look like American soldiers fighting the Red Army
the KMT emblem looks really nice
Lied about his wife, to get more food...I relate to this man's stomach
No. When he joined the Nationalist Army, he lied that he was married so that his family would get more food rations as the families of married soldiers in China did at the time. It was a selfless act, not a selfish one.
14:10 what a moment, very symbolic
Now THIS is a good war movie. Especially from a KMT Chinese perspective
Oh you are Chinese? Could you let me know what's happening here? I'm not so familiar with Chinese history. Aren't the both sides Chinese so why they fighting if same?
@@ekanshgupta2421 This movie is about the late Chinese civil war, shortly following the Second World War when the Chinese Nationalists and Communists turned on eachother following their partnership in WW2. After about four years of fighting, the Nationalists were forced to retreat to Taiwan (where they continued to this day as the Republic of China), and the Communists effectively won the Civil War, founding the PRC.
@@dainironfoot5198 oh thankyou! Understood.
@@ekanshgupta2421
CPC has the support of the People's of China.
The KMT has the support of warlords, landlords and the west.
CPC won.
What movie is this?
Imagine fighting for a few years, get invaded by Japan, fight more more years, then fight in Korea for more years. China never got a break.
On top of that the Cultural Revolution and the 20-55 Million Chinese dead
Besides from the oil barrel mortars and potato sacks obliterating buildings and making trucks fly, I’d say this is a pretty good movie that I’d watch if I knew the name.
Those are not potato sacks , you know they are explosives .
I'm actually interested on how those oil barrel mortars worked and if they're real.
The oil barrel mortars are actually base on historical background. The people's liberation army crated them because they lack heavy weapons and they worked most of the time for infantry target.
@@theoheinrich529 They are real, worked on enemy infantry targets and it is an headache for the Nationalist army who refer to it as 没良心炮, mortars without conscientious. People's Liberation Army lacked heavy artillery at the time and use it as a substitute for real mortars.
@@theoheinrich529 Barrel bombs and "Hell canons" have been used to deadly effect in Syria if you want a recent example.
They're both improvised artillery made from gas canisters and barrels
The ROC slowly collapsed through wavering monetary supply from the US, desertions, internal intrigues, harsh troop punishments , internal corruption and vicious treatment of the populace in disputed areas.
Many Kuomintang Generals were warlords who withdrew their opportunist loyalty once the outcome appeared obvious and tried to form their own deals with the PLA.
The ideology behind the Chang Kai Shek's empire was riddled with inconsistencies, corruption and brutality and only clung on because of US funding. Whole units ended up deserting to the PLA. I visited Taiwan in 1970 as a sailor onboard a visiting Frigate. It resembled a City under Siege. At 12 Noon everyday, sirens sounded, jet fighters screamed overhead. Military were everywhere. They had a poor Navy, a small flotilla of frigates, and smaller class of warship. And enough Admirals to sink a battleship. I know this because I think most of them attended the opening ceremony of a new building, the truthfully looked only half finished. This occurred next to our Frigate at the docks in Kaoshiung City. It left a lasting memory for me. I know Kaoshiung has changed radically since then and by all accounts is an attractive city to visit so if possible, I will revisit this area and the whole of Taiwan and have a good look around.
ray hughes I’m a Kaohsiung native, thanks for the snapshot description! I’m pretty sure you knew this already, but Kaohsiung is the Naval Command in Taiwan. It has always been heavy with military activity, especially in the 70s with the hostilities in Kinmen and outlying islands. If Chiang had American support after WW2 ended, I’m pretty sure he could have united China eventually, or at least not lose it all to the USSR-backed Mao.
I believe a lot of what you said are true, but I also believe General Marshall contributed to the outcome of the civil war. That leads back to the negative tension between Stilwell and Chiang from the war prior.
@@akumah the negative tensions you talk about were the subject of many an analysis. Chiang's wife was the real persuader with western diplomats, but Stilwell's frustrations at Chiang's lack of ability to get things done are a failure of the Americans to understand his Eastern approach. To the Americans, it was black and white. This led to the inevitable withdrawing of money despite Madam Chiang's abilities... I would recommend you try and get hold of a copy of "In search of history" by Theodore H White for an on the the spot journal overview of that era from an American journalist.
@@rayhughes Nice, thank you. I will definitely look into it. I have tons of history books by authors from Mainland China, Taiwan, Europe, and U.S. authors. The most recent one I read was “Chiang Kai-Shek and the Struggle for Modern China” by Jay Taylor and “Forgotten Ally” by Rana Mitter. Just about every book I've read has stated that Stilwell was very arrogant and led to many defeats in the Burma campaign.
@@rayhughes I would love to talk to you more about this if you're interested. I'm always interested in learning more about this. I was also a history major.
5:12 Nice detail on the Browning Hi-Power
I know we’d just finished wwii, but given what’s happened since then, we really should gotten involved with this war. Allied with the Nationalist forces and fought Mao.
it wasnt that simple the communists had soviet aid at this point while the nationalists had american/ allied aid but if either sode would have stepped in the other would have been forced to act as well.
As a Chinese, I do wish they did
Yup and in the scenario where Mao and the reds are defeated, Vietnam war probably doesn’t happen.
I am a chinese mainlander and I also cried at the end. We are all chinese. This never had to happen. Salute to ALL the soldiers who died in this civil war
The communist chinese certainly are bold when fighting their own countrymen and not the Japanese invading. I'll never respect the communist Chinese.
@@teru797 You must be stupid.
@@teru797 I hate those red bastards just as much as anyone else, but they DID fight against the Japanese. That was the only time that there was a semi-truce between the two factions.
That said, though the Kuomintang is (was) reactionary, they eventually transitioned into a full-fledged democracy. We can assume the same would have happened around the same time, if not a bit earlier, if they won the civil war. We would have a truly staunch ally in Asia, an extremely powerful one. But, it seems we are destined to confront each other...
@@scottkrafft6830 They did technically. They hid and sometimes attacked after a battle, or small scale skirmishes, but 90% of the fighting was done by the Nationalists. Look up most of the major battles.
@@teru797 Really? Your argument is invalid. The nationalists were the ones who pushed the communists back into the mountains. Its not because the communists didn't want to fight Japan, its because they literally couldn't do anything even if they wanted to because they would have to fight both the nationalists and Japan at the same time. In addition a lot of KMT soldiers were recruited by Japan to spy for them.
John woo is ASIAN MICHAEL BAY
4:24 - when the bar is out of your favorite drink.
Chiang Kai-shek (31 October 1887 - 5 April 1975), also known as Chiang Chung-cheng, Chiang Chieh-shih, Cheung Kai-shek and Jiang Jieshi, was a Chinese Nationalist politician, revolutionary, and military leader, who served as the leader of the Republic of China from 1928, until 1949 in mainland China, and then in Taiwan until his death in 1975.
The funeral of Chiang Kai-shek began on April 1975.
12:08 I must’ve played so many Source games since I instantly recognized those footstep sounds.
Those are not the same sounds.
This actually seem kind of realistic. Pretty pog
Loved how they added blood splats on the camera
For anyone wondering the move is called the Crossing by John Woo
Thank you!! I’m legit looking everywhere!!
4:25 lol hm
Lol
When foreign invasion actually helps your rebellion
Read up the history on Russian revolution and french revolution, foreign forces always plays a part
Same goes to the Hejaz during Ottoman empire when the Arabs betrayed the Turks
@@Tomas-mf8zp Yeah but it’s obvious PRC would’ve lost badly if Japan didn’t invade.
@@notxarbsenoj9231 I don't believe that. KMT army was vanquished by Japanese who was competely defeated by the US. And PRC pushed the US army back to N38 line from Chinese border in Korean War with fewer army than both KMT and Imperial Japan in WW2. So you can see how weak KMT army was. It didn't have power to eliminate communist even Japan had not invaded.
@@jiayili6481 You think throwing baseless statements proves your case what does the Korean War which was fought on a different fronts have to do with the Chinese civil war. The PRC had to flee KMT prior to the Sino Japanese war they had barely escaped so a couple more skirmishes and they would’ve lost. As for Korea The PRC used human wave tactics in the early years of the Korean War which they were moved down, during the end of the war they had to resort to Guerrilla warfare or be annihilated.
John Woo's movies may lack in script (except for a few gems) but the action is always on point.
This was one of the worst naval disaster that the 20th century had ever seen and a real heartache Chiang's government and also to the whole Republic of China.
Taiping was only supposed to carry about 550 personal but during that unfateful voyage, they were forced to carry twice the weight load and including crew were over 1,500 people on board. It suffered the same fate as they crashed into something in poor lit conditions just like the HMS Titanic but the Titanic hit a iceberg while the Taiping hit another vessel.
The reason why the Taiping din't turn on their lights is that they were going on a ferrying mission against a curfew and thus during their journey from Shanghai to Keelung harbour in Taiwan, they had to switch their lights off for the entire journey and met with the tragic fate off Hangzhou Bay near Zhoushan.
Due to being overcrowded, 1,500 were drowned when the ship sank as it was way overpacked and no rescue could be done. It became a sad tale and also an heartache to Chiang especially as the Taiping liner was the one that he took when he fled to Taiwan. That's not all. That said ship also helped him ferry his wealth, his family, the nation's gold reserve and even bulk of his army across to Taiwan and when he heard the ship sunk, he was pretty upset and even made a memorial later on and historians even placed it as significant as the Mayflower for what the Taiping liner did, ferrying mainland Chinese fleeing the Communist into Taiwan without fail till the sinking like what the Mayflower did to the Pilgrims did when they found America.
I just why... We’re all Chinese... We’re all brothers... Why does this have to happen
Edit:Looking at this comment after a year, this comment is shit, the world revolves around power not race, lower classes, middle classes we are the same ‘race’, the leaders and dictators, they are the same ‘race’
Simple question, It's because of ideology
ClypT coz of people fighting for power
Because mainland want corruption while Taiwan does not
@KAREN TIGER are you saying there's no corruption in Taiwan
Yeah I believe you :D
Comrade Gaddafi tf? I said they want i never said have or don’t have. Do you not know the difference?
How the Communist had M4 and M26 tanks? Those are American tanks
lend lease
program
Lendlease given to the Nationalist Chinese to fight Japan. Used against Communists in Civil War. Captured then used against Nationalists
If only japan had fully captured them, communists will be annihilated. Nationalists were weaken because they did all the fighting in the frontline while communists lying comfortably in their fox holes.
Darryl Gura Japan did capture a number of Allied Tanks.. but it would not change the course of the war.
@@MrChow-sw5ub The Nationalists is so weaken that the troops developed from 1.9million to 4 million in those anti-japan battles. The Communists just lay in their holes and buy the weapons and cities from the Japanese. But as I know, the Nationalist lose cities until 2 days before the day Japanese surrender. While the Communist won cities back from the japanese 1 year ago.
Great special effects and acting !
But whats a bit odd is that both sides fight each other with exactly the same weapons. Thompson, Sten gun, Kar98 and E8 Sherman was Kuomintang armament. The Communists used mostly soviet waepons instead.
This is what war means, everybody loses, nobody wins.
Damn, they used fking barrels as cannons, damn you guys are so creative
I think that’s historically accurate
Fun fact: they still does that in syria war a few years back
I gotta watch more Chinese movies they are actually underrated
It's 50/50, some are just as cheesy as US war films, some aren't. Not like any other country is better with films though lol.
5:50 dude crawled into machine gun fire only to throw the bomb and have it bounce off.😂
I remember when I learnt about the Chinese Civil War during history lesson at school, the major reason why the Nationalists lost was because of WW2. During Japanese invasion of China during WW2, the Nationalists faced the Japanese head on in battlefield, while the Chinese Communist Army fought the Japanese using hit-run and guerrilla tactics. This cause the Nationalists to suffer huge casualties compare to the Communist. Aside from that, huge inflation and constant wars demoralised the Nationalists, and Mao is a much better tactician.
Oh and of course, the atrocities committed by both sides. Notably, the Communists were known to use civilians as human shields and forcing Nationalist battalions into surrendering by threatening to massacre unarmed civilians
aside from that the communist would often use the "human wave tactic" basically they throw huge amount of bodies toward the enemy line in huge numbers, they use the same tactic during the northen Vietnam invasion too but quickly realise the flaws of that
"Notably, the Communists were known to use civilians as human shields and forcing Nationalist battalions into surrendering by threatening to massacre unarmed civilians"
Source: I made it the fuck up
So much military determinism, you forget PLA became way more popular during WW2, especially in the agrarian parts of China.
I've never been so much more interested in Chinese war movies until now.
Right, I have so many questions. I feel like this isn't talked about much in the west.
@@michaelkuznar7396 agreed, such as african history too
General, our reinforcement has joined in enemy and now is flanking us!
China just seemed to be a real life Battle Royale game back in this period. While the japanese are invading, Chinese troops are being trained to use German equipment, then are given American equipment and some Americans fight alongside Nationalist forces, largely against the communist forces though.
It’s sad that some armies are nearly defeated that even the commander or leader has to hold a rifle too and fire apon the enemy 😭😭
This is why fighting with chinese allies and enemy can't tell whos the enemy and the traitor
The movie was act by Chinese
, Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese.
arm: *gets shot*
commander: *Literally falls to the ground*
Ofc
A shot in arm is painful as hell.
damn the c4 in cod was actually used in combat in the same fashion
Do YOU support the CCP or the KMT, and which country are YOU from??
KMT
from R.O.C aka Taiwan
KMT from Suid afrika
KMT, from greatest country
"The Crossing" (2014)
Thx
Looks like a beautiful movie.
Isn't it incredible he was able to see through the binoculars eyes closed??
I wouldn't have known this was a John Woo film if you hadn't told us, due to the lack of bullet time, kung fu and dual wielding
No matter how rich and power your army is, when the people don't support you you will lose.
That is not what happened. The KMT were exhausted from 20 years of nonstop war. The Chinese economy was collapsing because the KMT financed the war against Japan by printing money which caused hyperinflation and the Soviets were funding and equipping the Communists.
@@DeclinedMercy keep listening to western propaganda 🤣
@@detox4590 what part of that was not factual?
The KMT were exhausted from 20 years of nonstop warfare, they fought the Warlords, then the Communists, then the Japanese and then the Communists again.
The Chinese economy was collapsing because the KMT were using inflation to fund the war effort, this isn't even controversial it is just what happened, that and the Japanese destroyed huge percentages of the Chinese industrial base. Is this the part that you contest?
The Soviets were funding and arming the Communists, and handed over Manchuria to the Communists after the Soviets defeated the Japanese there, leaving behind massive stockpiles of equipment and firepower that the Communists used to turn the tide of the war.
Which of these points if western propaganda? No, it is you who is listening to the propaganda of the Communist Party, who in reality did little to unify or protect China during the darkest hours of the 1920's-1940's. They did not defeat the warlords, they were not the major contributor to the war against Japan, they were opportunists who spent World War 2 building up strength and then bulldozed their way to power during the aftermath, in part by making promises they never intended to keep. Mao was, above all else, a complete hypocrite. When the Kuomintang weren't holding free and fair elections, they were unrepresentative tyrants (conveniently ignore that the Kuomintang did make a pivot back to democracy in 1947). Mao himself and Communist Party mouthpieces routinely called for democracy. They would write news articles on the 4th of July praising the American system of governance.
@@DeclinedMercy the fact that u said "That is not what happened"🤣,good job writing a whole paragraph which I'm not gonna read
"美國是自由世界的核心，民主的保護神，人民的朋友，專制者的敵人。所有的封建專制統治者都把美國當眼中釘。美國是人類社會的成功模式的榜樣."
"The United States is the core of the free world, the protector of democracy, the friends of the people, and the enemies of the autocrats. All feudal autocratic rulers have regarded the United States as a needle in the eye (an obstacle). The United States is a model for a successful model of human society."
Xinhua Daily, 1942
蔣介石的獨裁和專政是必須要推翻的，因中國人民最需要的是民主政治，而民主的前提是要解決分權制衡的監督問題。中央的政府權力大得不得了，沒有人監督，選舉是假的，那些代表都需要聽國民黨的，不听就抓起來，甚至派特務搞綁架、暗殺，這怎麼得了?
Chiang Kai-shek’s dictatorship must be overthrown, because the Chinese people need democracy the most, and the premise of democracy is to solve the problem of supervision of separation of powers. The central government’s power is so great that no one is supervising, elections are fake, and those representatives need to listen to the Kuomintang. If they don’t listen, they will be arrested and even get kidnapped or assassinated by secret agents. How come this?
Xinhua Daily, 1942
美國人民是中國人民的好朋友，我黨的奮鬥目標，就是推翻獨裁的共產黨反動派，建立美國式的民主制度，使全國人民能夠享受民主帶來的幸福。我相信，當中國人民為民主而奮鬥時，美國人民會支持我們。
American people are good friends with Chinese people. The goal of our party's endeavor, is to overthrow KMT counter-revolutionary dictatorship, to build an American-style democracy, and to let people nationwide have the privilege to enjoy the happiness brought by democracy. I believe, when Chinese people are striving for democracy, American people will support us.
Xinhua Daily, 1943
有些人懷疑共產黨得勢之後，是否會學俄國那樣，來一個無產階級專政和一黨制度。我們的答復是：我們這個新民主主義制度不可能、不應該是一個階級專政和一黨獨占政府機構的製度。
Some people doubt whether the Communist Party will learn from Russia and become a dictatorship of the proletariat and a one-party system. Our answer is: Our new democratic system cannot and should not be a system of class dictatorship and one-party monopoly of government institutions.
Xinhua Daily, 1945
“自由民主的中國”將是這樣的一個國家，它的各級政府直至中央政府都由普遍、平等、無記名的選舉所產生，並向選舉它的人民負責。它將實現孫中山先生的三民主義，林肯的民有、民治、民享的原則與羅斯福的四大自由（按：四大自由指美國總統羅斯福在第二次世界大戰期間提出的“言論和表達的自由”、“信仰上帝的自由”、“免於匱乏的自由”、“免於恐懼的自由”）。它將保證國家的獨立、團結、統一及與各民主強國的合作。
"Free and democratic China" will be such a country. Its governments at all local levels up to the central government are elected by universal, equal, and anonymous elections. These governments will be responsible for those who have elected them. This country will realize Mr. Sun Yat-sen's Three People's Principles, Lincoln's Principles of Citizenship, Rule of the People, and People's Enjoyment, as well as Roosevelt's Four Freedoms (refers to Four Freedoms President Roosevelt proposed during WWII. They are: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Worship, Freedom from Want, and Freedom from Fear). It will guarantee the independence, consolidation, unity, and cooperation with all democratic powers.
Mao, 1945
人民民主專政需要工人階級的領導。因為只有工人階級最有遠見，大公無私，最富於革命的徹底性。整個革命歷史證明，沒有工人階級的領導，革命就要失敗，有了工人階級的領導，革命就勝利了。
The people's democratic dictatorship needs the leadership of the working class. For it is only the working class that is most far-sighted, most selfless and most thoroughly revolutionary. The entire history of revolution proves that without the leadership of the working class revolution fails and that with the leadership of the working class revolution triumphs.
'On the People's Democratic Dictatorship', 1949
U.S. Army: Oh, God, I know it all too well, they are almost invincible
4:25 - 4:40 me and the bois when we hear something in the basement 5:05 me and the bois when mom asks us what we are doing
The subtitle is a bit off but it still sent the same message