Rangergrip 78 Swiss Army knife. Can you use a Swiss Army Knife as a survival/bushcraft knife??
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- Want to see a Victorinox in REAL hard use? I discuss my opinion of Swiss Army Knives, and see if you can use one as a survival knife by building a thatched survival shelter to field test the Rangergrip 78. I show an excellent strop that Ironhorse19 made for me. I wrongly describe my old knife as a Camper it is a Spartan. All the poles used were hazel as this will quickly regrow and is a renewable resource. I forgot to mention that this knife feels very good in the hand and is very comfortable to use.
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Really fine video, and a more practical and intelligent way to judge a knife.
Thank you very much. I like to know how they will work in the field
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I agree with every thing you said especially them tweezers hell I works with black thorn get them thorns in ya you can't get the blasted thing out do I use a large vetenary needle to dig around then I uses hemostats to pull it out I makes Irish fighting sticks and crudgels and spoons with my swiss Army knife 👍🐺🐾
@@anarchyfox325 I find the history of Irish fighting sticks very interesting. I suppose after Cromwell when they were not allowed swords they used the good old blackthorn
@@vinniesdayoff3968 aye give the robbers a Belfast breakfast lol 👍🐺🐾
@@anarchyfox325 In order to make the tweezers more useful, I had folded a piece of sandpaper so that the rough surface face both sides and placed it between the tips of the tweezers and ground the inside of the tweezer tips so that they meet with somewhat broader surface, and then with the tweezer ends closed, I also ground the tips on the sandpaper until the ends come at the exact same length, thus having better grip. It took no expert skills. I'm a total amateur and it took a few minutes or less.
This was quite possibly the best review of not just the Rangergrip 78, but any SAK in general....very well done indeed, thank you for the upload....I actually just placed an order for a Rangergrip 78 because of your video
High praise indeed MMR, thank you very much indeed. It is a big folder but it can do some real work.
@@vinniesdayoff3968 you like a saw I bought a Swiss Army knife hiker with walnut scales on all I can say is damn it’s fantastic tool especially as I hates plastic crap on my folding knives black walnut on my knife is way better looking get ya self one and see mines always razor sharp I cut blackthorn with my knife to make shillelaghs and other cool useful stuff 🇬🇧👍🦊🐾🇮🇹
@@johndagostino2451 Black walnut eh? sounds very lovely
I have a Farmer and have gifted them successfully, but that Rangergrip seems like an ideal upgrade. The one handed opening would be nice when you are holding something in your left hand. Also nice to see you using a wedge to split wood rather than baton and damage the knife blade. Love these torture test videos. Thanks Vinnie!
Thanks Mary. It is not really a torture test. Apart from the Opinel video where I did put more pressure than usual on the knife to show they can take it, I am just using the knives as normal and they will be perfectly fine afterwards. The Rangergrip is an ideal knife for the woods.
Thank you, Vin, for a refreshingly honest and straightforward educational video. Add my name to the growing list of those who appreciate it!
Thank you very much Douglas. I appreciate it very much.
Amazing video as always! Very entertaining and informative, I hope you get the chance to make more of these videos! I know it takes a while to get this footage, so thank you for taking your time to do so, much appreciated!
Thank you very much Sean. I have a few videos I need to work on, hopefully the weather picks up which is a big help
Hi Vinnie you are consistently the most non bs tester of kit especially folding knives you have bought yourself. I agree that pocket knives are well able and I too have many Victorinox knives. For the money they are excellent quality tools. The saw on my old Huntsman saved the day once when I had to trim some branches on a high seat. Thanks again for sharing. All the best from Scotland. Garry
Thanks Garry. To be honest I am learning myself as I go. I came to a stage where I decided that it was time to get myself "s nice knife" as I had always got great satisfaction from having a pocket knife. also I was worried that some bullshit law would come in and I would no longer able to buy knives. Then came the problem, which knife? So I am learning as I go
Great video! I just got my Rangergrip 78, and I'm looking forward to trying it out in the woods. You're right, the saw is a game-changer!
Thank you Justin 👍
Your video is one of the best showing the capabilities of the Rangergrip 78. I'm waiting for delivery of mine. I will replace the toothpick with a firefly ferro. Great video!
Thanks very much Fly Fish, and thank you for watching my video. Truth be told I was very impressed with the Rangergrip myself. I really believe it is more useful and will do work more easily and safely than most of the so called survival knives I see with their thick blades ( My opinion is that a thin blade will always out slice a thick one)The saw will do quite a bit of work with very little effort. I like those firefly ferro rods. I use alcohol stoves a lot and those little ferro rods would work a treat for that. Thanks again and I wish you luck with your new Rangergrip 78.
I have that firefly🔥. Had to cut it down a bit to fit.
@@meccagold2009 Yes, about 3/16" to make it fit. Also, using several applications of super glue, I built up a small dot next to the glo handle/knob, on the non-striking side of the fire stick, so it fit tighter in the knife handle slot. I also stuffed dryer lint in the bottom of the slot where the saw closes into. I twisted lint into ~2-3" strands and put 2 strands into that saw slot. Then use your tweezers to pull the lint out and fluff it up for an emergency fire starter. Good for 2 or 3 fires. The saw still closes fine. Great knife. Forgot to add, if you watch Corporals Corner, he's been using a Rangergrip 78 in several of his vids for cooking to crafting.
@@flyfish6473 look up the ranger grip 95 from Wagner it is a limited edition for the Bulgarian Rescue Services and it is my dream knife for outdoors when you look at the different tools that has including a large file and pliers. The perfect version of this knife.
@@meccagold2009 Yes, looks like a great knife to have. Wenger keeps the saw where SAK eliminates the saw when they include the pliers in similar knives.
Great video and impressive survival skills! I've been debating buying a Rangergrip 78 for the past few days. This was very helpful and I think I will do it.
I've led you astray again William 😀
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I just came across this again and yes, I did buy a RangerGrip 78!
@@WilliamParmley great minds think alike 😉
A man after my own heart! Great video! Atb Sean
Your knowledge and skills were most impressive, and Victorinox is a very trusted name in my household. Great video!
Thank you very much Jeff 👍
Good work mate again, nice trick that wood splitting, have to try that myself also.
Thank you very much Raine and thank you for watching
Great as always!!👍👍👍
You are a gentleman as always! 😊 Thank you 👍 👍 👍
Great video vinnie glad you like the strop
I like it very much Chris.Things turned wet and miserable cutting the rushes and things went against me the next day so I did not show it in use. there will be more videos coming though! Thank you again.
I have one of those it's all the knife you need ........Great video pleasure to watch
Thank you very much thornwarbler, I must say Swiss Army knives have gone up in my estimation. I was very impressed indeed
Great video Vinnie!
It's always great watching someone who knows what they're doing whether be rebuilding an engine or building a shelter.
At the beginning, the first knife you discussed I believe is a Vic Spartan. i carry one like it.
Don't dismiss the corkscrew so quick. It's great for undoing knots in your shoe laces. Search youtube 'Victorinox corkscrew uses' and you'll see a few uses. I've been using for knots long before internet myself, prefer it over the phillips since the can opener's screwdriver is usable as a phillips.
I can appreciate that you don't put out 2 vids a week, quality over quantity. I'll be looking forward to your next video.
Rodger that dude, I am no expert on SAK's, thank you. I must look up those uses.Nice talking to you as usual.
Great vid! Ounce-for-ounce, the Huntsman is my favorite.
The corkscrew, when combined with paracord knotted and twisted ‘round, is excellent for carrying bundles up to 15-ish kg. It’s also fantastic for undoing wet knots and separating strands without damaging cordage, much like a Marlinespike. I’ve bored it upward into an overhanging branch and used the knife handle as an impromptu hanger to dry a damp article of clothing near the fire, which was incredibly handy. After it was dry and the sun set, I attached a magnetic light to the handle and used it as a directional lamp mount. I can’t think of more than one use for a philips screwdriver that isn’t already covered by the other tools.
Like others have said skills>hardware, and you’ve got those in spades. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Glad you liked it Orochi! I know there are many uses for the corkscrew, it is just that I don't use it much. Maybe I should start experimenting with it.
@@vinniesdayoff3968 You can make a bore in a long pole, twist in the cork screw. Then use a small length of string or vine or duct tape and firmly attach the knife with blade open for spear fishing, or with saw open (works for larger fish, which can't wriggle off the serrations).
Not my idea. Several outdoorsmen have come up with this use for the corkscrew. Awl bore. Twist in corkscrew with knife or saw open. Wrap for secure fit.
Cheers!
@@davidsiegel9847 Spear fishing can be hard on the spear David. I don't know if I would put my knife through that. Still I can't talk because I haven't tried it. Thanks for the tip 👍
It's a very handsome looking tool. Great video as always my friend. Amazed at how well the saw works, very clever it manages to cut green wood with no set on the teeth, am sure a lot of it was your expert technique!
Ta Turbo. I'm looking at the saw since you commented. I don't have your technical knowledge. The teeth do protrude slightly from the side, does that count as set? Your adulation pleases me! My head grows fatter daily :-)
That's what I'm on about, is the spine of the blade ground thinner than the pivot?
If your head really is getting fatter you are doing a good job of hiding it, I'll pull you up on it when you are dressed entirely in Gerber outdoor products with your own reality TV series!
The spine is thinner. The blade gets wider as it goes towards the teeth. If I ever turn out like he who must not be named who deals with Gerber I give you permission to come over and shoot me!
Who's going to be stupid enough to give me a gun?
The man gets a bit of credit from me for his work with the scouts, anything that gets young lads outside is hugely beneficial to them and society.
You have a point there Turbo :-) A lot of what he shows is dangerous though
thanks so much for letting us see this it's one of the best Swiss army knife videos and you done a very nice job on this I've subscribed to you very good videos thanks so much by the way I've got many Swiss army knife's and I have used theme for many years now I'm going to have to get a openal they look like a very good knife as well thanks so much and very good videos thanks
Thanks very much Will you are a gentleman!
Great film Vinnie,the way the shelters are coming along nicely I agree with you about those serrated knives ,I received a leatherman wingman as a gift which has one -impossible to sharpen .I’ll give the ranger knife a go looks very useful thanks as always for the film always very informative atb Mick
Thanks Mick. I have tried out serrated blades on rope, which is what it is supposed to be good for and I can see no difference between a sharp plain blade and a serrated blade. And, like you say, it is hard or impossible to sharpen serrations properly. I certainly would not have it on a single blade knife. Thanks for watching bud!
my father never taught me that or anything useful you were the first person iv seen do this !
Bending the pole gives you much much greater power to cut even with a small knife.
Once again, a super video! I’m with you on the saw blade. I use it more than any blade on my SAKs. I’m also with you on the tweezers. When I finally did need it, it let me down. As you stated, you can’t put enough force on it. However, as perverted as a partially serrated blade is, I found nothing cuts through tall grass and rushes like serrations! It’s the only time I ever needed them. Mine are on a Spyderco knife. Excellent demo on wood splitting! The average guy on CZcams would try to baton the blade!
I must definitely try a serrated knife on rushes Joe. That might make my life a little easier. I should have thought of that. I would not like to baton a folding knife and anyway, I find that technique with a wooden wedge/knife blade works very well so why beat on your knife when there is no need. Thank you for watching bud.
Most but not all of the stuff I cut is reed canary grass. It was brought here from Europe to feed cattle. A smooth, sharp edge cuts it, but the serrations blow right through it almost effortlessly. They also work well on outdoor carpet. Otherwise, I can't stand serrations, and they usually place them low on the blade where I don't want them.
Wow. Great video. You seem to really have great skills and knowledge, based on your words and actions. Glad I stumbled on your channel. Subscribed. Looking forward to seeing more of your videos. Take care.
Thank you so much. I too have subbed.
vinniesdayoff thanks! If you haven’t seen his channel yet, Felix Immler has an amazing CZcams channel that pushes the limits of Swiss Army knives and imagination.
I have seen some of Felix's work, he is a skilled chap.
Awesome video I personally carry a swiss champ it's very useful
Hi Gabriel, and thank you for watching and commenting. I appreciate it. Well you won't be short of tools then!
great video vinnie as always! i own one too and it served me really well . Obviously the star of the show is the saw u cant beat it for its size. also i like that u take ur time with ur videos, i guess everybody wished that u could upload a bit earlier.. but if we want a quality content we need to wait( like u mentioned).
Thanks Andreas. The saw means that a small knife can do the work of a large chopper. This knife made quite an impression on me
Cool Video 👍
Thank U for the Info and the testing 👍
you are welcome indeed. Thank you for watching and for your comment
Great video. As for the tweezers, I use them everyday. Found if you grip them by the front they grab quite nice. I use them for splinters and to trim my beard. Thanks again for a great video!
I very like your videos demonstrating the practical usefulness of folding blade knives. Your survival series with a small 2-bladed knife was extremely interesting. I am partial to Swiss Army Knives and have used the Farmer successfully for years in the outdoors, generally paired with a filet knife. I recently purchased a Victorinox Rangerwood 55, but have not used it enough to comment. My hope is that it will replace the Farmer and Filet knife allowing me to take only one tool.
Thank you for your very kind comment Richard. I do not have a Rangerwood but they are a lovely looking knife and should be very capable. It never hurts to have a little back up and something like the Farmer's negligible weight would not be noticed in a pocket. For normal hiking, fishing and hunting one knife will be perfectly adequate but if you travel in real wilderness I think you should carry more tools. I'm not a fan of the "one tool option". I take it you are a fisherman? 🙂👍
vinniesdayoff : I fish, hunt, and camp. The filet/boning style knife has served me well in all those areas of game and food processing. The SAR Farmer has taken the brunt of my camp chores.
I agree with you about the “one tool option”. If I were to go out for several days there would be a back-up knife/saw in my pack. Unlike Ireland it is very possible to become lost, stranded, or simply delayed in the wilderness of the U.S.. 25% of all Search & Rescues in the state of Arizona are in my County.
Again, thank you for your videos I’m glad to see well built folders getting some respect. As you say, if used properly they are useful tools.
@@ROE1300 Rodger that Richard. Thank you.
Very interesting, thank you.
You are very welcome indeed. Thank you for watching and for your comment
Good review thanks.
Great video Vinnie, as usual.The back of the saw also makes a great scraper for a fero rod, as long as you grip the saw firmly.
Scrapes moss fairly good too David. Thanks very much for watching
My pleasure!
I agree with your assessment of the cork screw, the "tweezers", and serrated blades.
I think the only thing the corkscrew is good for is holding/using the optional eye glasses screwdriver, that I don't have.
I like how you always prove Skill and Finesse beats brute strength in all your videos.
Thanks Steve ☺ I have to admit the corkscrew was pressed into service at a couple of family get togethers when it was found there was no corkscrew to open wine bottles. But that is maybe twice in thirty years or so. The tweezers I have tried many times (big whitethorn and blackthorn thorns are often found sticking in Vinnie 😢) and in my experience they just don't work. If they were a little bit stiffer they would be such a useful tool for the outdoors man. Thanks very much for the kind comment
I carried a SAK Hiker for years, but now I carry a Farmer, both have a saw blade. Great tools! For camping I have a Tajima G-Saw with an 8" saw blade that weighs about 8-1/2 oz.
I had not heard of the Tajima saws Ronnie. They seem to be similar to the silky saws. Looks like good kit
My son, a skilled wood worker, recommended them, and they are less expensive than the Silky. I'm very pleased with mine.
Whose recommendation could possibly be better? I will keep a look out for them here
Great video going to buy a new Swiss champ as I lost my one after having it for 16years never been a day with out it and lost it to days ago so sad 😢over it miss it so much great tool edc,d it for 16years never been with out it going to buy a new one hope the new one will last as long as my old Swiss champ 🏆 great video 👍thanks for sharing✌
Thanks very much William. It is an impressive knife.
Another awesome video Vinnie.. I carried a Swiss army knife exclusively for years and had no complaints. Recently I have been more interested in traditional folders.. I think more for the nastalgia.. I hope your planning something for the Hayin Helper you have.👍
Ta JH, I sure am. I need to use it a bit and gather my thoughts on what I think of it.
Nice job, Vinnie. I'm a fan of the Victorinox Rangerwood.
So am I Jack!
I misread your comment Jack, I thought you said Rangergrip. I have to agree with you, the wooden scales are more lovely looking.
I have the Wenger ranger 55 blaze and hardwood camouflage design, which for me are great knives the saw is my favourite tool on the knife the blade which is too long for legal uk carry and has a great lock release is the perfect camp knife
Got to love the way you split the wood so easily
Good to hear from you John James. I am no expert on SAK's by the way. The Ranger is a fine looking knife, fairly similar to the Rangergrip I'd say. Thank you for dropping by my friend.
Great video!
Thanks very much indeed!
Another great video ! Thank you. Vinnie. So I now have a few swiss army knives and I've been carrying a soldier on the weekends and a climber at work. I'm a mechanic and work on big rigs and all kinds of speciality equipment. Most of the equipment is hydraulically driven . Also work on hi pressure water pumps and everything has O rings of many sizes. That cork screw works great on removing most of the o rings I encounter . Does a good job on getting the knot out of my shoe laces when needed too. Lol. I'm sure if you do more research on you tube you will find more uses for that cork screw . I agree with you on the tweezers but they are better than nothing I suppose . I also have trekker great knife but kinda ignorant for the pocket
Well I have said it before Frank, I learn a great deal from everyone in the comments. Thanks for the tip and thanks for watching bud.
Kondisi
Great video 👌
Thank you very much 👍
Greetings to Dyon from Uruguay. Vinnie, the video I enjoyed as ever, but if is my choice, I prefer hands down your Buck 110. I bought a similar chinese copy in OZ and used it to open coconuts in Fiji, my favorite folder since I bought another Tramontina copy in Brazil more than 25 years ago for defense. Both copyes or imitations was 3.5 inches, wich I found more practical to carry. Now I use an almost free chinese 2 and 1/4 inch lockback folder for edc. The 110 changed the rules. It is interesting much people understand survival as days lasting travel to the wild to hunt while we can think survival as an unexpectd change of scenario for what is good to have a little tool and some skills. This makes your videos more worthy than most I seen (love blades so I watch everything I can).I had like three SAK and carryed a Tinker for months, but in the same weight and size I can have a stronger one blade, wich will do almost efficiently what the swiss does with four or five (just personal preference). Enjoy Easter hollydays.
I told Dyson you said hello and he looks at me with his head sideways :-) A friend of mine had those Chinese folders for years and swore by them. i did not know Tramontina copied them. I have a Tramontina machete which was very cheap, but is an excellent tool, apart from the handle which can slip out of your hand sometimes. I imagine a Tramontina 110 copy should be decent. Well the next step in survival would be hunting and fishing but unfortunately the laws often prevent us from using primitive traps and methods. To be honest I got into the shelter videos just to make the point that a good folder could be used to good effect as I was annoyed by what I heard people say on CZcams. It seems to have progressed from there. Thank you for your comment and I hope you have a good Easter too my friend!
Yes, nothing like to be free from the overprized sharpened pry bar. Yes I know your philosophy, I seen some of your videos and agree with, while learn some skills you share. Tramontina uses good steel, the stainless is the same of Victorinox, but the quality controls are not comparable to the americans or europeans. I live in a small country and the items offered are reduced, so I must buy what I found.
You should have tried Ireland in the eighties! You certainly learned how to make do.
Not fair mate, you have the Guiness.
True true. I don't drink much but when I do it is Guiness. If you can get draught Guinness from a pub that knows how to keep and draw it properly there is nothing else like it
Great video, thanks. 😁
Thank you and thank you for watching too 🙂
Very interesting again.
Cheers
Glad you thought so Tim. Thanks for watching once again 👍
Like the one with the saw seems very handy
It sure is. i would not bother with any Swiss Army knife without a saw again. Thanks for watching
Another good video Vinnie. I particularly like this shelter with the field rushes, they look as though they make a really efficient thatch. I have a SAK Outrider that I carry when I'm looking for sticks to cut as one of my hobbies is making rustic walking and hiking sticks, I have had the Outrider for about 15 years and the saw still cuts quite well so the steel it's made with must be quite good.
Using a wedge is a much better way to split wood compared to beating the crap out of what may be an expensive knife and the only effective way if all you have is a small knife. SAKs aren't the perfect choice for survival but with any of the bigger ones, they will certainly help to get you out of trouble.
The countryside where you live is stunning
Thanks very much Chris, good to hear from you. That Outrider looks useful. The Rangergrip is my introduction to Swiss Army saws, and I have to say I was well impressed. Each to their own but I don't like to see all the hammering and walloping that goes on with CZcams batoning. I think there would be very few times if any that you would NEED to do it yet it is rife and "indispensable". But who am I to tell anyone, we must all do as we see fit. I have often admired those walking sticks, that is a nice hobby to have. I make my own shooting sticks (rifle rest) and when I do a bit of hill walking I always have a seasoned hazel stick. I feel the odd man out because nobody else uses them, but I love them. Thanks for dropping by Chris.
I would prefer to carry a small hatchet to split with than using a knife or perhaps a cheap small machete but although I have batoned with a decent knife I don't really like it.
I know bushcraft knives now tend to come with thick blades for that reason but you lose out on cutting ability and fine work with a thick heavy blade.
When you look at all the oldtime Scandinavian woodsmen they all carried fined bladed Puukkos for 99% of their work and sometimes would use a large Leuku for heavier work but even Leukus are quite fine blades otherwise it was an axe.
I like a stick for hill walking having that extra point of stability makes you safer and faster, especially when it's loose underfoot on a downhill walk. I like to take a camera out with me and a stick is useful to just balance the camera on top to steady some shots.
I would agree 110% Chris. I often think people have forgotten what a knife is for. Those woodsmen had fine blades because they cut well. Making a blade thick does not help it pass through material, rather it hinders it. modern bushcraft knives are thick bladed because the knife manufacturers watched guys breaking their knives on CZcams and said we had better do something about this. Light batoning or splitting thinner wood should be no trouble to a good knife but any knife that can stand being hammered through large logs of firewood is going to be a sharpened pry bar. My God I'm ranting, I had better stop before I turn into a grouch :-)
Oh my gosh, I'll bet you were so tempted to turn the camera off and use your Silky Big Boy saw for just a few minutes! Thank you for showing us what can be done, if necessary. What a great shelter you made! In some areas, it is almost impossible to find an area without danger from Widowmakers, so that double tripod was great to see!
Thank you very much David. Using tripods to support a shelter is surprisingly solid once the legs have been tapped into the earth or firmly tied down. A silky saw would be faster for sure but the Rangergrip can get a lot of work done with little physical effort. Thanks very much for watching 👍
@@vinniesdayoff3968 By the way , I forgot to mention how much I agree with you on the frustration of partially serrated blades! They seem to stick on everything. For example , if you're cutting through a tarp. They are also much more difficult to sharpen. I have a tool for sharpening called Work Sharp, and it means I can have a razor-sharp blade in about 30 seconds. I just ordered the Huntsman , which has a long blade, a short blade, and a saw, and now I know what can be done with it, because of you!
@@davidbutler1825 I can see no difference between serrated and plain blade for cutting rope as long as the plain blade is sharp. Enjoy the Huntsman David 🙂
I love this multi tool! I piggyback carry one on the sheath of my Terävä Skrama. For me it’s just about the perfect combination.
Sounds good
April 23, 2019 :- Vinnie, you should be getting royalties from Victorinox. I just ordered my Rangergrip, planning on it's maiden use this June, camping with my brother & grandson. Why is it that inspite of my loyalty to you and your video content, whenever Dyson walks on screen, I totally shift my attention to his antics, while he looks for mice, or just stands around being wonderful? It took about a year for it to soak in that for me the Rangergrip is the "ultimate" SAK. Thanks for all that hard work in the bush to produce a no nonsense video.
P.S. The Rangergrip and the Evogrip are the Wengers of the Victorinox production made in Delemont.
Thanks for the info and the loyalty Richard. I reckon it certainly must be one of the tops for ability to do work. Mr Dyson seems to have many fans. I have been wandering the countryside since I was a small boy in the company of one or more dogs. It would be lonesome without a friend
@@vinniesdayoff3968 :- You said a truth right there! As I type, one buddy is at my feet & one is currently making a nest next to me. We don't deserve such beautiful, loyal furry friends.
Oops. meant to say big for the pocket . Carrying the trekker in a cheap belt sheath for now but there are handle scales a available with a belt clip from another you tuber Swiss Bianco . He does great work on all his products . Look him up if you haven't already . Good stuff. Thanx again .
Survival knives badass sharp ranger knife, swiss knife
Yes sir!
vinniesdayoff i like your vids lol never expected someone to like this especially not the creator of the video XD
Thank you XD
Due to challenges with air travel, I have a SAN and a Fiskars axe with fire. More than once I love the Irish. Work hard live smooth bother
Thank you very much!
I honestly think the tweezers are really useful, they helped me out a lot
Uuh man. Victorinox, Outdoor and the Vinnie-Style!! I like it!! And your Dog also a nice Guy. Let an Abo there. Best regards
Thank you Bushcrafter D. Mr Dyson says thanks too. I don't know who's running the show, me or him😆
The most useful feature to me is the saw, the saw on the farmer is amazing, and the saw on the rucksack which has a locking blade is even better. I use the rucksack mostly on my allotment because I have good legal reason to carry it down there, but otherwise I will take the farmer out with me. You can certainly build a shelter using the saw on an SAK, just don't waste your time trying to cut something too thick, partially cut and snap is the way to go.
Thank you for watching and for your comment. I was very impressed with the work such a small saw could do. It really is a capable folding knife
Please forgive me, Vinnie, but I must agree with your assessment of the SAK Tweezers.
"Completely Useless" is an understatement.
Well strangely enough they will pull hair Steve. someone told me in the comments and I tried it and it worked. They won't pull thorns though and it would be such a useful thing if they did. They just need to be stiffened a bit
@@vinniesdayoff3968 Could they pull a tick?
Great video thanks. I EDC SAK's (swiss champ xlt) plus the 10 C's in the city & every where else as it is good to be prepared. The tools you have on you will be the tools you survive with.
True indeed. Thanks for watching 👍
Top man! 🇬🇧
Thank you David! 😊
Great knife and video. Don’t underestimate the uses of the corkscrew though. Adding the Helix fire starter to the corkscrew gives you an emergency fire starting capability
They are interesting little things alright (Helix fire starter) Thanks for your kindness 👍
I use the corkscrew to untie knots, it works well on paracord. Also, it can fit the small screwdriver, or the fire starters as mentioned.
It's funny to see what our ancient ancestors did with little chips or pieces of flint, then to listen to some people on the interweb say that you need a short sword for survival. I dig your honesty and common sense. Thanks.
Thank you John. I watched a video called Traditional Inuit sled build.Well worth a watch. In it they used improbable materials such as some hide, some fish, bones, bits of antlers, moss and ice to make a sled. Everything was cut with chips of flint. That is what humans have always done, solved problems and used what they have to make stuff. I think that is what survival is about while CZcams would have you believe it is about having an indestructible knife and battering it through logs from the woodpile. It makes no sense....... Unless you are being paid by the knife company.
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I will take a look at that one . sounds amazing. I used to be crazy about the saws on Swiss army knives but I am beginning to think that although they are useful they are not absolutely essential and bring a lot of debris into my knife. I will value them more for working with bone in future. Don't get me wrong they are certainly useful. Thanks again bud.
@@icarusmoth5713 How do they fare with bone?
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I haven't yet done much work with bone but I have cut through a chicken leg and I am sure I read that it was marketed as a wood/bone saw. I am currently carrying the pioneer X and am more into carrying only the minimum. It's amazing what you could accomplish with just a pioneer X and you hardly notice it there. Plus it is legal carry. Take care. Thanks
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I just watched the Inuit film. I think it is extremely fascinating. I am now watching them make a bow. One of them seemed to be using a knife no bigger than a Swiss-army-knife cap-lifter with an edge. ,
Nice video! Your Victorinox "Camper" looks more like a Spartan as it is lacking the saw of the Camper and your "Alpineer" is actually the Adventurer as it has the two openers/screw drives. The Alpineer is a single layer knife with only a blade on the front and a corkscrew on the back. Both are great knives and I own and use both.
Thanks Anthony, I stand corrected 🙂 . Thanks for watching and for the information.
jaysis vinnie lad that tree didnt want to give in lad hung on for dear life hahah :-)
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Hey Vinnie, I am a big fan. I also share your affection for traditional folding pocket knives. I wondered if you might share some of your thoughts on how to clean and maintain your pocket knives. How do you clean them, how often do you clean them, oil, etc...? Thanks and keep up the great videos!
Hi Brad, thank you for your kind words. I just inspect my knives when I get back from being out, With some carbon steels you get a kind of tarnish or residue from sap or the metal reacting with the sap. I use a little Autosol metal polish to get that stuff off. For normal grime or dirt I wash the knife thoroughly with soapy water and a dish brush. If I used it to clean game I would spray in some anti bacterial kitchen spray and do my best to work it in everywhere, then I just dry it as well as I can. With some knives I would use a hair dryer to make sure all the moisture is gone, after that a little oil and my work is done. I don't know about the extremes some people go to with disinfecting etc. I grew up on a farm and grew up eating apples off the ground etc etc, and would say I am immune to most tummy bugs. It is good to be clean but we are also designed to interact with bacteria. I don't agonise about my knife being sterile, clean is good enough for me. I would oil fairly often, as my environment is usually fairly wet. I have some stainless fixed blades for kayaking and I go to town on them after being in the sea. Salt being uber corrosive as we know, even with stainless knives. Thanks again Brad.
I have carried my Rangergrip 78 for some time. It is the best knife that I have ever carried.
Hi John. It's a fine knife for sure 👍
Nice vídeo
Thank you for watching Cesar
I have the swiss army hiker, and it's great for survival!
The SAK's are useful knives indeed. Thank you for your comment 👍
I completed an Army wilderness survival course using a Victorinox Swiss Army Camper knife with saw blade as my only knife and did significantly better than other Soldiers whom brought large fixed blade knives.
Also, the tweezers have saved me from embedded splinters and thorns in my hands numerous times so I'm a big fan of the tweezers in my swiss army knife.
You can do a lot of work with such a knife and no need for walloping and hammering on the poor knife. Thanks Andrew🙂
Hi mate cool video. Is the blade centered on your ranger grip? Mine ever so slightly brushes the liner of the opposite side to my thumb when I open it? Tia.
Hi Armando , unfortunately I have misplaced the Rangergrip. It is in a bag or back pack or some such place. I will eventually find it. I don't remember noticing any blade rub
Lovely video. And, when you say the tweezers are flimsy, I see the size of your hands and fingers! 😄😄 You look like a strong man with large, working hands. Those tweezers may feel less sturdy to you more than it would to smaller people with thinner fingers like me 😄
Thanks Savio. My point is that they are simply not stiff enough to hold the pressure from your fingers and grip a thorn or splinter. I have tried to remove thorns with it a number of times and it would not grip the thorn try as I might. They flex too much and slip off even if you grip them at the very tip. The thorns I have to deal with are from blackthorn and whitethorn bushes. They are big thorns and if they stab you the tip breaks off in your flesh. I think many of the reviewers who praise them have never had to actually use them. Then that's CZcams, eh?
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I see. Yes, you're right, they do have some give. On the other hand, I have had some older women in my family use identical tweezers that come in other Victorinox products to, well, pluck hair from their face etc., and I was told positive things about it's use. I have also used it to pick tiny, thin things from thin places, I think it was like a memory card stuck in a slot or something, and I remember I was glad it was available on hand at the time. I think I have plucked at least one splinter or thorn out too, but I may be forming memories with this last one; I'm sure of the the prior two examples though. I suppose we might conclude they are good for at least some things, but not exactly for all instances where tweezers ought to work, and not for everyone anyway.
@@saviom8166 One of the guys in the comments told me they will pluck hair so I tried it. It will pluck hair.
Have you heard of anyone attempting to re-harden and temper the spring steel of the tweezers? ive made a few knives but they were all high carbon steel. ive repaired a couple of rifle springs by re-hardening and tempering them but something realy small like the tweezers could be done(if they are capable of the process) without damaging the plastic piece. the only part that would be required is from a bout half way down the haft of the tweezers. if its capable, then it could make a big difference in the tweezers. again, thanks for the videos :) and my favorite medium swiss knife design is the Ranger and moreso the Handyman. They not only have the wood saw, but include the metal saw/file. If i am going to carry a knife, then around the house or in the field there seems to always be some wierd thing that needs to be filed down or cut off... The handyman also comes with a small pair of pliers. Oh.. and from some other bush crafters, there seems to be a consensus that the cork screw can be used for untying tight knots.. Lastly, i purchased a small pack of jewel drivers to insert into my corkscrews. its the perfect hiding spot for one and they are more useful for battery covers and what not than most of the other blades on the knife.
I have not heard of anyone hardening the tweezers Wayne. As you said it is very small and I don't know the process for spring tempering stainless steel. I have made a couple of basic knives myself and they had hard blades. Is there a different process for hardening and tempering a spring or is it the same as a knife blade?
vinniesdayoff maybe someone can enlighten us on the topic :)
I came for a review on the Swiss Army knife but stayed for the bushcraft!
Thanks very much indeed Steve 👍. Much appreciated
Just got the 78. Tossed the tweezers, replaced them with a Firefly Ferro Rod. The rod is less effective pulling out splinters, but can start a fire with one stroke, something I have never seen done with the tweezers.
Good point 👍
I have a alox farmer x and it rocks, also the corkscrew works well for holding tortoise gear tinder and also works good for undoing tight knots, for example in paracord. also i take the tooth pick off all my saks and replace with a tortoise gear firesteel.
Sounds very sensible!
Great video Vinnie. Really enjoy your videos.
Thank you very much Aple, and thanks for dropping by
Your 91mm-Victorinox is a Spartan, the Camper would come with a saw, as well as the Hiker. I usually carry a Huntsman as an EDC, the scissors are my most used tool - and for outdoors I have an Outrider. I prefer the corkscrew over the Philips, very useful to untie knots and store Helix tinders - with a 'Firefly' ferrorod from Tortoise Gear as a replacement for the toothpick you get an almost complete survival kit. My only wish is, Victorinox would bring a knife with better steel like S30V or Magnacut. The best survival knife is the one you carry with you when the situation occurs, and chances are much better for a folding knife, especially in Europe, where I live. I highly recommend watching YT-videos of Felix Immler, the 'Victorinox-guy', to see, what you can do with just a SAK.
That’s awesome just found out about this knife. What a shame so long. Does the blade and saw lock?
The blade locks but the saw does not
great video.
i like Victorinox over Leatherman, but the saw on Surge is better then the saws on my Swistool and Huntsman. Alot more efficient.
Hi Cristi. That sounds like a very good saw on the surge!
@@vinniesdayoff3968 yes, but screwdrivers were awfull. i think i got a defective product, even if i bought it from official site.
Great video. I have a question, do you prefer this Rangergrip or the Farmer? Is there a clear difference in efficiency in the field considering the size difference?
I like the farmer more simply because it is easier in the pocket. The rangergrip saw is faster due to the greater size. With regard to the blades I found no advantage from the longer blade when cutting. Thank you very much for watching and for your comment
@@vinniesdayoff3968 Thank you for your answer. I was thinking the main difference would be the saw. I already possess a Farmer X (which is great) and I just ordered the RangerGrip 55.
@@barbar7746 I have come to the conclusion that SAK's are excellent knives. Enjoy 👍
On some Swiss Army knives they have 2 or 3 knifes, now what would be the best for sharpening sticks to make swords and stuff like that , either a short knife or a long knife ?
I'm not fully sure what your question is. On length on knife blade you will do anything you need to do with a blade of two inches or so. Most of the cutting goes on close to where you grip the knife. That is where your power is. If you have a knife with a twelve inch blade for example you will have very little power if you are cutting with the tip. I hope this helps
Contrary in many ways to my 50 years experience with Victorinox, but that's ok. Perhaps because I always think of a Victorinox as a light to medium duty tool set. My main camping knives were Scandinavian (Helle), and Finnish (Marttiini). But my 130mm Victorinox models have proven much better. Longer saws than the 111mm. Pair up a 111 or 130mm with a good fixed blade. Those Victorinox saws are incredible for small saws. Especially quick camp furnishings, 1st aid, food prep.
Cheers...
Do you know if that saw in the Ranger the same as is in the " "Forestor"? I know these 111 mm SAK's have a longer saw than the 91 mm, and apparently, according to some its not just a bit longer. I do have an old SAK with a saw so I shall try and find it and compare the saw against the " Forestor" that I have. I've the Trailmaster as well but I haven't really looked at that knife. I bought it just before my Son's bought the Forestor for me and it got put into a bag and left in the car. I believe there is a saw in that SAK as well. I shall take a look and compare all 3 saws.
That I don't know Allen. To top it off I have mislaid my Rangergrip. It's in some bag or box or such but I can't lay my hands on it at the moment
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I found my old 91 mm " Ranger" a few minutes ago. Its in really good nick. I only stopped using it because I had bought the Trailmaster and was then given the Forestor.
I can see the saw on the Forestor has a slight " dog leg" at the very back of the saw blade, the ranger comes straight. The Ranger is about an inch, maybe very slightly less than an inch shorter but the teeth look very similar. If there's a difference in the teeth I am not seeing it. I used the saw on the ranger a lot, just saved getting the folding saw out to cut through inch thick material. Anything heavier the the pocket boy saw comes out.
If you need to replace your lost Ranger grip I see a really nice wooden Ranger 55 I believe it is. Very nice blade with the usual tools. Think it even has the corkscrew instead of the Philips, I prefer the corkscrew as it has more uses and it even opens bottles of wine.
@@allanlarmour7460 🍷🍷🍷 🙂. I wonder do the Swiss Army models change their tools and dimensions much or are they exactly the same through the years?
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I don't really know. I don't own enough of them going back far enough. I have 4 in total. Ive a Spartan, that was my first.
I suspect the tools on the 91mm models have not changed over the years. They have definitely added to the tool set from their first knife. I cannot remember which was their first knife but I think it was very similar to the Spartan, with alox scales.
There's a million videos on the different models. They do get a bit ridiculous after 5 layers. The handyman model has 5 layers with a small set of useable pliers and scissors.
Next to the blade itself, I'd use the scissors the most. They are very sharp and unlike most folding or tiny scissors they are practical to use.
There's certainly an SAK for everyone.
Not surprising that a SAK can be used to build a shelter or handle other bushcraft/survival tasks.
Finess, knowledge, and skill beats brute force every time. :-)
I think those that claim you MUST be able to baton a knife are less than ... intelligent.
Any knife will eventually break if you baton it. If you break your knife, what then? Not like you can jog over to the nearest shop to buy another one.
We operate on the same wavelength Steve. I don't buy that we need to split logs of firewood from the log pile when we are in the woods. I read an old boy scouts book when I was a boy that said to use sticks of thumb thickness in a fire and it works fine, also when I was a boy everyone lit their fires using small twigs they collected in the hedgerows and that worked fine too. They had no need to split logs and if they did they used an axe. I've been watching CZcams a long time and I have seen many knives broken by batoning. Even the 1/4 inch knives that are developed for batoning break. Like you say if you are in a pinch what good is a broken knife? Thanks very much for watching!
The cork screw does have a usefulness in the field, it can be used to loosen very tight knots. It could be used to lift a pot (with a bale) from the fire. If you wrap bank line in the opposite direction of the twist of the cork screw, you now have a handle to pull from for tightening wraps and fraps for lashing. If cooking ears of corn on the fire, you have a handle to keep from burning your fingers on the hot food while eating it. So, I do not discount my SAKs which have a cork screw included. Given a choice, however, I do prefer a screw driver on an outdoor knife.
Some innovative ideas there indeed! Thank you for sharing them. Wouldn't you need two SAK's for the corn on the cob? 😁
@@vinniesdayoff3968 Doesn't everyone have two on them at all times?
@@RatdogDRB Er..why yes of course they do :-)
I edc the Ranger Grip 79. It has the corkscrew because I enjoy wine and it also has the green scales, not red 🎉
Not a lot of difference. They are good knives. Thanks for watching
Excellent. Very good technique for splitting wood without an axe. Any chance you might know the latin name of the gras you are using for the shelter?
Thank you Lars. The proper name is soft rush, or in latin Juncus Effusus
Ah, lysesiv in danish. Makes good sence!
Not as common as it was Lars. Any marginal land has been planted with forestry up here, so it is getting harder to find
Same here. But still grows in the moor.
I find the tweezers to be very useful for plucking my nose hairs out! I use them every time I shave.
You are a man of steel! 😀I tried them on eyebrow hair and they do indeed work.
Thank you so much for your videos, they are very educational. I just thought I would throw some humor out there, but unfortunately there really is no other use for the tweezers.
@@charlescorrea5963 It is a pity because I often have to remove thorns. If they were a little stiffer they would be fine. Thank YOU for watching and for your comment. Much appreciated.
Cork screw of no use to Vinnie, ah me a Guinness or a Whiskey man then? I sent a Victorinox back to the importer because over the course of various summer holidays in France it had begun to wear the liner/frame. Victorinox take an excellent edge, they are not brilliant at holding it but for value I would rate them over Case or Buck.
Well I have to admit the corkscrew saved the day at one family get together with my in laws. I am not a big drinker at all and Guinness IS a proper and fitting drink for a man:-) Day to normal day though I just don't use a corkscrew.
Ive had a swiss army knife for years, cant tell you which one specifically, but it stays nasty sharp enough to shave a opossom's ass. Why a oppossom? Because bears are for hugging.
I can't believe you got a barber chair cutting with a pocket knife!
Yup. There isn't anything you can't achieve with hard work 🙂 Good job it was only a small sapling eh?
@@vinniesdayoff3968 great video pal.
Hi, do you still have this knife? If so, is there any movement in the blade when locked. Blade play, lock rock etc.? I recieved a Rangergrip 55 yesterday and the blade kan move a little when locked.
Nothing side to side but if you try to move the blade up and down it won't move upwards but it moves down just a hair. Very slight.
@@vinniesdayoff3968 Thank you for replying! Mine does the exact same thing, its probably just how they are made. Nice knife though :-)
@@1valg I love it 🙂
In my experience, Silky saws work on the pull, & SAK saws work on the push stroke. This might make a difference in the overall effeciency.
Hi Richard. You know even after working with it I was not able to say which way it cut. I've just ran out and tried. The Rangergrip cuts (removes material at least) both pushing and pulling, but seems to take a little more on the pull. It seems to cut more like a normal wood saw (cuts both ways) than a silky. I am no expert with SAK knives or saws whatsoever. This is the first SAK saw I have used. It is not in the same league as a bigger saw but for the size is impressive. Thanks for dropping by
Victorinox saws are profiled to cut in both directions.
In the SAK 58 Rangergrip...I wish they put up a SMaller blade instead of that Cross head screw
I agree. A decent second blade would make them truly great.
@@vinniesdayoff3968 At least I got my pocket Camping SAk...2 blades / mini Saw..it is a good back up
I would like to see how you made you wooden froe. I've seen people split wood with a sort of wooden chisel but never a wooden froe. I like it. Knives are knives not hatchets.
I just whittled a rough knife shape. It is quite powerful and no risk to your knife. I have seen many knives broken on CZcams and I don't baton
@@vinniesdayoff3968 quite agree. I'm looking at the rangergrip so I came across yr video. Very glad I did.
@@grannieannie1371 Thanks for watching and for your comment Annette
the amount of camos and knifes hahah thats a different one again with bullet holders. your just a true out and out countryman
I do a bit of hunting, that's why I am into the cammo.
i was meself just could never afford the fucking things and when i could afford it i wasnt looking for them.
Excellent video, and some sound points made.
However, I come back to my bugbear - if you have a Knife on you, why is it that you have nothing else? It seems to me that an enormous amount of effort goes into unrealistic "what if.." scenarios that have a miniscule chance of ever happening. In your scenario above, would one realistically be in that situation without, say, paracord? Or a lightweight tarp? I suspect that the REAL reason is that such extreme scenarios create the opportunity (albeit artificially created) to have some outdoor fun! C'mon, admit it! But, your point is well made (just like Felix Immler does, using the same (similar) knife), and that's why we enjoy it!
Stay safe!
Thank you Dennis. You are very correct about "what if" scenarios. I am not a bush crafter or survivalist and I am having fun proving that you could use a folding knife to do things that many survivalists say can only be done with a thick bladed , full tang survival knife. I have listened to many such videos ad nauseum and I find much of such content silly. Also I like to make a proper rainproof shelter because many "shelters" on CZcams would provide very poor protection in wet weather. Thank you very much for watching and for your comment 🙂
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I suggest you look up articles/blogs by a chap called Felix Immler. he, truly amazing!
If you under cut first it will be easier. Good video, Thank You.
Thanks 👍
It works even better with the proper technique. When using the saw the movement should come from your shoulder with a straight elbow.
Thank you very much
cheers
Thank you 👍
"Of all of the saws that I ever saw saw, I never saw a saw saw like that saw saws."
Alliteration my friend 🙂
Does the saw lock? Does this model use Swiss made steel?
The saw does not lock. The steel is listed as "stainless steel". I can only presume it is the normal stainless used by Victorinox in SAK's. Not an amazing steel but it works fine in the real world and is easy to sharpen
@@vinniesdayoff3968 I'm impressed with how much that little saw can do. I always thought they would just be good for notches, but you can take reasonable sized trees with them. Good knife to take hiking, with a tarp of course. That shelter is nice, but not an emergency build for sure. Nice tool for emergency when carrying very little. As far as the steel, I'm sure it's fine, but it's definitely not Swiss made if it doesn't say it. Victorinox is tarnishing their reputation with some of the non swiss made stuff they're putting out. Appreciate your review.
Hey, did you know you can send that rather damaged knife to Victorinox and they'll replace the knife blade for a small fee? Your knife will come back nearly factory new. They'll also clean and oil the knife, the snap will be noticeable too. I sent one back to Victorinox earlier this year and was happy with the result.
I didn't know that. In fairness I used it for many years and the wear was caused by me so in this case I won't send it back. Thank you very much for the information
@@vinniesdayoff3968 : The wear is indeed caused by the owner, that's why you'd have to pay a small fee to replace the blade... But it's rather cheap. It's up to you ultimately but it's always better to know that than not. In my case, I sort of abused the metal file (Workchamp knife) and it dulled. You cannot bring the file back to life unless you actually replace it. There are a lot of people who just retire their Victorinox knives without knowing that anything on them can be replaced. Anyway, if that blade wears any further in the future, you know now that you can have it replaced and your knife will look practically new again.
@@timsummers870 Many thanks 👍
Im a huge fan of the German flecktarn pattern but for the life of me I cant identify the piece of gear in your opening sequence.
HA! Gotcha JC. It's a miltec jacket. I think it's the lightweight smock. How are you keeping?
vinniesdayoff tired actually, between work and family still no dirt time in recent months for me but that will change! That smock, is it decent quality? I love my Mil-tec ponchos and rucks but how is the jacket quality?
well like the name says it is lightweight. It is not warm at all, and the wind goes through it. Likewise rain just goes through it, not like a surplus jacket which will keep a lot of rain off before it penetrates. So you need to dress warmly under it. I use it as a load bearing coat for deer hunting. It has lots of pockets that I put quite a lot of stuff into, so I need no bag or backpack. It has had a lot of wear with me and is none the worse for it. I am very happy with it. I think it is somewhere around eight years old. If you want a look at it I wore it in my very first video . Link here czcams.com/video/8Gif59mPxmU/video.html. It is hard to get out, or I find stay out and get stuff done, but what would we do without the family eh? Hopefully we get a good Summer.