No, David doesn't think you're "irrelevant" to Pink Floyd's work. He just thinks that after being a bully, leaving the band, suing them and talking shit for years, he doesn't want to put up with you anymore.
That's your low opinion of Gilmour? That's too bad. I think Gilmour has made enough money that he doesn't have to prevent Waters from being associated with the Pink Floyd name. All Floyd fans know who Roger Waters is. It's sad what business can do to people even in their final years. Is Gilmour going to put Pink Floyd on his head stone and prevent Waters from doing it? What does that solve?
Ha Ha ha! David and the others, just got sick of being depressed and putting up with your egotistical mania LSD trip (Lead Singers Disease). You wanted FULL creative control over Pink Floyd and you just mentioned 4 other people!........ At least David doesn't ruin the memory of Pink Floyd by using its catalogue of material to tear down An American president with smears slanders and insults! Especially one who stands up against the very globalists who sent YOUR father to the slaughter that you can't stop whining about! Especially to a crown of 300,000 scumbags who want to come into this country (america) to freeload and steal our resources! Jerry Garcia was right when he said playing to audiences that big "is dangerously close to fascism"! And at least he didn't ABUSE his position like you have done! Next time you wanna slander someones leader try your own fucking Queen! Who (the Queen and the Pope) absconded with 13 Mohawk children over 10 years ago from Canada, that were never seen or hear from again! BRING THE CHILDREN HOME! (which are presumed dead in a Satanic human sacrifice!) F your queen! That CUNT!
@@tjlightningbolt dude, you got your own problems, sort yourself out. You're not interested in a discussion about music, you wanna make a political statement, so go do that some other place, ok?
@@stickman1742 I don't think I ever said that Gilmour tries to keep Waters from associating with the Pink Floyd brand, in case your comment is directed at me. So I'm not sure what exactly you're on about.
Gilmour had the Pink Floyd Facebook page created. Not Roger. Now he thinks he deserves access to it. He's talked shit about Gilmour too many times. Why would David grant him access to it? Roger should stick to his measly Facebook page and stop worrying about what David Gilmour is doing on the page he had created.
Yeah, but you didn't just "leave the band". You tried to end the band as if it was all you. You dragged the band into court to fight any future use of the name.
From Rolling Stone: When Waters poignantly reprised old songs like “Welcome to the Machine,” “Money” and “Another Brick in the Wall,” he wasn’t just doing the best of Floyd. Those were his songs, “the words and music of Roger Waters,” as Ladd declared at the end of an extended Floyd medley in the first half. The implication, of course, was unmistakable: anyone else out there playing these songs, claiming to be Floyd, is bogus. “I would be terribly happy for you to like what I’m doing and to like what he’s doing,” Waters said sharply the next day, referring to Gilmour, “if it wasn’t for the fact that he was calling himself Pink Floyd. He isn’t. If one of us was going to be called Pink Floyd, it’s me.” Even the old props in the current Floyd show, Waters insisted, were originally his idea. “That’s my pig up there,” he said. “That’s my plane crashing.” He snickered and added, “It’s their dry ice.” The “which one’s Pink?” debate has been a legal football kicked around by lawyers since last fall, when Waters sued Gilmour and Mason in an attempt to prevent them from using the name, claiming the group was “a spent force creatively.” (Rick Wright, who quietly left the group in 1980 after the Wall shows, has unofficially returned for the new Floyd album and tour.) Both camps, however, have now taken their cases to the people in a vindictive press war. Floyd fans are, in a sense, getting two state-of-the-art-rock shows and records - Waters’s Radio K.A.O.S., the Floyd’s Momentary Lapse of Reason - for the price of one band. But the price has been disastrously high. In their fight to determine who is the rightful heir to the Pink Floyd throne and the continuing fortune it’s worth, Waters, Gilmour and Mason have destroyed whatever personal friendship, band camaraderie and musical unity first bonded them www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/pink-floyd-the-inside-story-104505/
@@illegalewahrheiten2911 shit Division bell is my favorite of all Floyd albums and I'm almost 50. I got burnt out on the wall 25 yrs ago in high school
@@poppinmycollar423 You must really like the Gilmour sound. What it lacks is the soul that Waters brought to the band. Gilmour sound, Rick Wright atmosphere, Waters the heart and soul.
It's crazy that The Wall is about Pink pointing the finger at everyone except himself and finally coming to terms with the fact he's the one with the problem, but Roger has never realized the same lesson applies to him
Roger Waters was the master mind of the Pink Floyed before he left. The band has lost its soul and character after him. but I respect David, Nick and Richard (RIP)
@@Narpets2112 Pink is the central character (played by Bob Geldof) in the movie, "Pink Floyd: The Wall". I do not completely agree about the above description of the movie's central theme but yes, there is that aspect of the story that is relevant to the actual scenario of the PF band members.
I picture this, Roger. You had a girlfriend (Pink floyd) and even built a house with her. But you left her and the house,and even mistreated her. And now after some years you want your pictures to be held on the wall. You are not welcome anymore. We appreciate all your contributions for the band, by the way.
Who's to say its a home with his "girlfriend"? What if it's the family home, and they are all head of the household (fathers) but they couldnt live under one roof, so Roger left, it should still be his home.
@@LebSista There is a saying in spanish that goes... "El que se fue de Sevilla, perdio su Silla" "Who left Sevilla, lost his chair" Find the ryhme in the words
Assuming that is true , does that make it ok for the other members (Gilmoure...etc) to do the same or to act as if Waters isn't part of Floyd? Isn't that hypocrisy then ? One of the abhorrent characteristics that Floyd stood against to begin with? Two wrongs make a ....? What? Dirty laundry fued ? Come on , get over it. You're all fucking mega rich , famous , talented , heros. Smoke a fuckin j together and get on.
@@travishaynes9682 it's basically Gilmour giving Roger a taste of his own medicine. While Roger is a lyrical genius with vision, the lack of credit given to Gilmour and Wright's musical contributions, his never-ending ego-driven animosity etc etc etc makes him a complete whiny asshole. Some things never change.
Not as simple as that mate. Don't forget Wright left Pink Floyd before Waters. There was something or someone creating a toxic atmosphere in the band. I think it goes deeper than the band members themselves. Perhaps the record label or managers working with them are somehow involved? Roger Waters is a lyrical genius as his lyrics come from a deeper place and reflect on him as a person with a pure soul and integrity who cares about the planet and the future of mankind. Polly Samson cannot replace Roger Waters even though there are one or two good songs written by her and Gilmour like "High Hopes'. I have a feeling that Polly is preventing them from reuniting, kinda acting like the bands Yoko Ono in a way. Likewise David Gilmour is a brilliant musician and one of the best guitarists of all time and I cannot imagine Pink Floyd without him. It's a shame they can't resolve their dispute and reunite.
@@medved4030 Wright didn't leave the band, Waters kicked him out. He literaly threatened to stop The Wall from being released if Wright wasn't fired. And the reason was that Wright was going through a difficult time and was not contributing as much as he used to (which also makes it ironic because Waters now acts like he didn't need contributions from others and it was all him). These are very well known issues, Waters was difficult to wok with and was the source of tension. Bob Ezrin was the producer of the Wall, after the Wall he got invitations from both Waters and Gilmour to work on their solo albums at the same time...he chose Gilmour because according to him he was an all around nicer person to work with.
He replied him, and apart from this announcement Roger hardly talks about Gilmour so shut it, it's stupid to not allow a past member use a damn website named Pink Floyd, as long as that name exists he has the right, can't believe two grandfather's are bickering over nonsense that they could have resolved, this is why I like children they don't have time for malice.
Is this true? "Roger not only quit Pink Floyd, he sued to try and force the rest of the band from performing as Pink Floyd, after his departure. That was a dumb move, and I’m not quite sure how Roger doesn’t understand how that permanently damaged his chances at any access to the official Pink Floyd sphere of resources". If so, is this poetic justice?
Yeah that's the reality. It's not that David thinks he didn't contribute anything, it's just that Waters went on to different endeavors and left, the rest of the band continued.
And what's more, for Roger to say that David thinks he IS Pink Floyd is very rich coming from the man that forced the band to make The Final Cut which is the only album in Floyd history to give credit to a single member: Waters himself. Waters also fired Rick Wright after the Wall who is not on the last Floyd album featuring Waters as well. There is more I could go into with the turmoil that Waters caused while trying to control the vision of Pink Floyd the band including him suing the remaining members to stop using the name and could be argued that Waters looked at HIMSELF as Pink Floyd. Though he did apologize for the lawsuit later, it sounds to me that this "meeting" he set up was more self-serving and I noticed he said "one of the things I asked for... I suggested that..." It sounds like Roger wanted back in but still had to have a level of control over things. His former bandmate(s) knowing him probably said, " Oh no! We're not giving you a door to come in and seize control and take over like you always do Roger!"
real really... I trust transparency. Not the old guard of secrecy. Whether you agree with his position or approach, it's clear Waters hides behind nothing. Avoidance keeps this silliness alive. Hash it out, move on. The legacy is greater than the sum of its parts. Time marches on ... there will be regrets.
Why would the Pink Floyd website have Roger's solo work on it? Even if it's a cover of a Pink Floyd song? David Gilmour has done lots of solo projects and none of those are on the website either.
He didn't just leave it, his intention was to destroy it, 'I am Pink Floyd and without me it doesn't exist, it can't!' Well, guess what! And some of us will never forget the way he treated Richard...
Roger, you were a master lyricist in your own right. However, your continual narcissism is a huge turnoff. Just make music. Be like David and be humble.
I agree with Roger. Hatchets need to buried and some kind of amicable arrangement needs to be made to honor the legacy of Pink Floyd and it's contributors (Like Roger) that helped build the foundation of the band, not only post works after the fact (to which there are many notable). I would appreciate if David and Roger could get past themselves to focus on celebrating all periods of the bands existence, and allow all members some type of representation. Creative differences aside, Roger left the band, and David carried it forward. That doesn't make less of each's contributions. I wish they could get along in an unselfish way for the benefit of all fans that have supported the band for decades.
After Syd left Roger was all ready to take over the band and make it his own. They hired David Gilmour and assumed he would take his rightful place behind Roger as the guitarist and occasional vocalist. What poor Mr. Waters was NOT ready for was the amazing creative force and vocal talent that Gilmour ended up becoming. By the time they got to Dark Side of the Moon, Gilmour's star had arrived. All of the popular hits on Dark Side, were sung by Gilmour and his soaring guitar solos had captured the World. After the same thing happened on Wish You Were Here, Waters had had enough. He wrestled control of the band from Gilmour and produced his concept album Animals. Granted. Rodger Waters was absolutely talented. He just had no desire to play 2nd fiddle to Gilmour. He bullied and forced Richard Wright out of the band. He was a colossal dick. Gilmour is rock legend, a philanthropist, and all around good person. His guitar work is an inspiration to me, and millions around the World. Waters is an angry bassist with a grudge.
Roger could get in an argument in a room by himself. He is a brilliant songwriter and his body of work is undeniable. When you are an irritable SOB...this is what happens. Nobody wants to deal with you if they have a choice.
Keep in mind that we've hardly even HEARD from Roger since Amused to Death. He was golfing apparantly and waiting to live alone, dying of cancer. Because its social media, ANY complaining is ALWAYS complaining. He wants to be on the Pink Floyd website, thats a reasonable complaint. NOT letting him on is also just as reasonable. But its US that have the problem in ramping any discussion out to the extremes. Everything on social media is black and white.
@@mikearchibald744 are you forgetting he literally tried to end pink floyd years ago, thinking they couldnt be a band without him? check professor of rocks channel on youtube. its an interesting story. rogers ego is massive.
@@terrybanks5063 Not forgetting at all, I've written about it. The short version is that Pink Floyd as a 'band', meaning, as a BUSINESS, was bankrupt and had no money. There were tons of business reasons for ending the band, and essentially by The Final Cut he WAS 'the band', with Rick gone and Nick barely contributing and Dave fighting him on using old music he felt wasn't good enough, but offereing nothing new. NOBODY gets that kind of wealth and fame without getting some kind of ego, that goes for the rest of hte band. But that doesn't make Rogers ego 'massive', but like most people in life, and particularly those with money, they like to have things their way. Thats ego, but its pretty typical. As I've said, I know people with virtually NO accomplishments of any kind that still have an oversized ego. Considering what Roger has done musically and charitably, I don't think thats any more massive than anybody else. Like Terry Gilliam said of Monty Python, the hardest thing about getting together is the fact they've all got control of their own little world and its hard to function as a 'team'.
To your point, if someone lacks for nothing - great wealth, fame, new teeth, and yet will whine about the thing that brought it, the person is not a genius, he is an infantile git. I adore the music but Roger is embarrassing.
Writing an open letter to Ukraine's first lady in which he claims Ukraine is responsible for being invaded by Russia shows how removed from reality this man has become. Whether he believes it's true or not, the fact he wrote the letter shows his own vastly inflated sense of importance.
and that recent open letter to Putin as well, as if he's going to read it. Being in a widely acclaimed band 40 years ago has given him a Messiah complex. To the point where he thinks he can solve international affairs.
I mean, Ukraine is responsible for being invaded by Russia. They very easily could have avoided this whole ordeal by not bombing the crap out of their Eastern regions over the past 8 years...
Outside of music he is a Pathetic Man. I AM Polish, Poland was where Ukrainę is now, Russia attacked US in 1920, then wwII, enforced communism and took over the country post WW2. This Man thinks he knows everything, as a Pole, I think he is full of SHIT. Cease fire would mean Russia literally taking over, not the teritorry maybe but the politics.
All the creative music you all made, every album, every song is just pure magic. You all together were a force of musical brilliance the worlds ears have never heard before. What saddens me , is to think of all the music that we as fans never got to experience because of an ego that was more important than the band. Sure, you and David both have good solo material, but just think of what the original 5 would have created in the 35 years of not getting along
It is crazy the amount of timeless beauty they did create in the time they did. Pink floyd has a mythical vibe to me. It is a band who's original writer lost his mind and the others had to take over for him. I only recently learned of this beef. As chill as the actual music is Pink Floyd might have been an untamable beast from the beginning. That much incredible music in that short of a time bends spacetime or something. It may be that it was never sustainable.
Yes, but he was still a contributing member for many years. Unless, they want to cal the website Pink Floyd after 1985 ... There are like almost 20 years of Waters life invested into something I believe he is proud to have been a part of.
Roger doesn't and never did write any of the music that David and Richard were playing. He wrote the lyrics...that's it. Think about how absurd it would be people believing Roger Waters was telling David Gilmour how he should play the guitar. Than after you finish the thought listen to Animals full album. Till today neverminded 1977 Roger does not play the guitar except for some limited rhythm background playing and he doesn't play the piano or drums at all. David and Richard did the music writing while Roger wrote the lyrics. Simple to understand and insulting to Pink Floyd and there fans saying Roger is a great or even good musician. He's a terrible musician. His solo albums hurts my brain. There that bad. Yet David's solo albums while not Pink Floyd is mostly really good music. Some great songs too in his solo career.
@@JohnPandolfo121 err… he did right most of the music. He may not have given them their distinct sound that was provided by Gilmour and Wright, but he still wrote a huge amount of the basic music. Just check writing credits for Animals and The Wall.
Seems to me that he expects everyone to dance with him in the light of his own burning bridges. And then simply cannot understand why they dare to refuse him.
@@davedoogan6650 Have you heard the Final Cut Album? It's great, but it's literally Waters singing the entire time and strayed from typical musicality of the Pink Floyd sound as a band.
@@ricpanPut out of context, yeah, it sounds bad, but Polly posted her tweet after Waters' declaration, which any normal human being would not keep silent after such attacks. I will never deny Waters talents, he is a great artist, but such comments from him was not necessary. I do not envy him to live with so much resentments at his age, he still acts like a small kid in the school yards. Great as an artist, but as a human being, he sucks.
@@badouplus1304 Musically I like both artists, but Waters is the profile of courage. One frontman is a pro-war puppet of the establishment, while the other is someone who speaks the truth against war. Wake up, it is not hard to see how the entertainment industry is owned, and it is now very easy to see the few who will speak truth to power.
@@williamolsen20 I think Take it Back also charted top 100. The big take away here though is that Waters didn't just leave Pink Floyd. He tried to end Pink Floyd. Sue them out of existence.
Waters tried to prevent Gilmour and Mason from using the Pink Floyd name going forward. Waters was the member who brought the ideas to the table for the band to work on....DSOTM, WYWH, Animals, The Wall, all concepts that Waters brought to the band. These are the albums the Pink Floyd name was built upon up until the split...this was their greatest achievement. When Waters left he felt that Pink Floyd was no longer a band....and when they reformed without him, yes, he tried to stop it. He didn't try to use the Pink Floyd name, professionally he moved on to solo work. But Gilmour/Mason continued using the name, but had no ideas that could possibly match what Waters brought to the table. What came out of that legal battle was about the BUSINESS of Pink Floyd, the LABEL, the TRADEMARK. Gilmour and Mason used that name to take a different direction.....Waters didn't want to...he felt it should end. I think Gilmour/Mason led Floyd was much more about doing the covers that the fans expected, and putting out new material under that old name...they got the benefit of the Pink Floyd name. Waters a "Pink Floyd cover band'??? Really??? He covers the songs HE WROTE. He doesn't cover Pink Floyd material he was not involved in....Gilmour/Mason cover songs Waters wrote....I think you have it backwards. Now, Waters was a twat back then, and still to this day, but I think he was right. Here is a quote from him in 2013 about the matter... "I was wrong. Of course I was ... It's one of the few times that the legal profession has taught me something. Because when I went to these chaps and said, "Listen, we're broke, this isn't Pink Floyd anymore," they went, "What do you mean? That's irrelevant, it is a label and it has commercial value. You can't say it's going to cease to exist ... you obviously don't understand English jurisprudence.""
Nah. Waters only played HIS PF songs. Gilmore and Mason played his songs the rest and new “PF material. Out of respect, they shouldn’t have used the name (aren’t they good enough to stand on their own?? I don’t blame waters for suing.
That is because David has the performance ability. But Waters is the vitamin and mineral that charges David's abilities with the challenges that confounded comfort and expectation.
And he was the band so if David was really honest about he would start his own band not use Pink Floyd name with all work done by Roger. And I'm not blind fanboy I can compose I know how harmonies work and can play base and rhytam/solo guitar so it pretty obvious to me who wrote what without looking at who got credit.
@@eugenegd2112 Not really , I like Gilmour too , he's incredibly gifted guitar player but composing takes different kind of skills. It's not coincidence that it's basse players are most often composers. I can play guitar but my main instrument is basse guitar ans that is how I learned to compose.
@@eugenegd2112 Not my native language. I'm Serbian and know bit of Russian. Can you spell it without gooogle on Russian since Serbia is not big country ?
I think a lot of Pink Floyd fans are also starting to dislike his character , regardless of how much talent Roger has , as a human he fails immensely .
It did not become bigger! Lol what are you even saying they had a couple good singles. Roger wrote all the songs we love all the albums we loved. I’m the biggest fan of David Gilmore and I’m not a fan of Roger but let’s call a spade a spade ROGER IS THE SONG WRITER.
@@holdencaulfield4808 I Think Division bell has fantastic songwriting...Roger's style is unique and mostly conceptual. If you are a fan of his style that is one thing, but to say that songwriting suffered is just not true.
Gilmour did not "carry" Pink Floyd, if you had half a brain you'd realize it took Rogers lyrics in combined with Gilmour, Wright, and Masons playing to make the music they made
@@RoosterRandy I dont think so.....You can say what you want,but David Guilmore could/and still can play and sing......Waters is a good songwriter but a guy who think that he can forse people to follow his bas-guitarr:-)
Guys stop protecting Waters, he was a terrible human being. He still a prick, he was part of the band, great writer of lyrics but shitty bass player. Wright and Gilmour were the sound, especially Wright.
Jesus...at this point, Roger ought to start a band with Ace Frehley and Peter Criss, and call themselves The Bitter Old Men. Their first album could be called "The Consequences of Our Own Actions."
Seriously man, nobody gives a fiddlers about Dave Killminster, whatever his name is, David Gilmour was the magic that made Floyd work, without him, its dead in the waters.. :)
I've just spent about 20 minutes reading through these comments and I don't think a single one supports Roger's point of view. Wake up Roger. We respect your incredible musicianship, but you aren't included in the Pink Floyd website because you aren't part of Pink Floyd, which was your own doing. Get over it
I must say, this was exactly my thought. Roger burned some bridges in the past with his behaviour and attitude. Well, the consequence of that is what we can see here.
@@piotrkarel Nobody, literally nobody, wants to hear some wanker sing songs about himself and his own feelings. We want to hear songs about us. Pink Floyd wrote songs about us, originally. They became a Waters boo-hoo wankfest with the Wall, then with the Final Cut he even decided the rest of the band was getting in his way. Whatever anyone says about post-Roger PF, the other 3 guys were brilliant in their own right and deserved to be allowed to contribute their own genius to songs.
I absolutely share Rogers point of view. Pink Floyd is more than a legal entity owned by david gilmour. David never named the band and he wrote next to none of the lyrics, most of the chords and melodies even are rogers. So David is being a dick using the law to hoard access to pink floyd away from roger 50 years after the fact. According to bunch of lawyers pink floyd may belong to david. , but in creativity reality, where the music came into existence, pink floyds as much rogers if not more than it is davids. David should acknowledge that. Roger did make mistake letting david get legal custody of pink floyd. Roger should have stayed in until he died, and just did all his solo work, but he short sighted and underestimated davids pettiniess.
he is the one who tried to kill the band in 1985. Rather than just leaving the band, he took them to court to stop the other members from continuing on.
Correct. And we fans always wanted Pink Floyd to continue back then. So glad that David and Nick were persistent in keeping the band going in the late 1980s and later, despite a lawsuit/s from Rodger…and Rick becoming a full member again…
That's silly. The other members were free to make music. Why did they need to use the name Pink Floyd? Roger didn't. I have the answer: money. The others knew if they didn't use the name Pink Floyd it would be a complete disaster. They used the name to make a financial killing. That is the one and only reason. They became exactly what Waters' lyrics railed against for years.
@@stickman1742 lol the fuck are you talking about? band members leave bands all the time and the rest of the band continues, it's as normal as it gets in music business. Roger is just one man on an endless list of people who left their bands, but one of the very few who took the rest of the band to court to force them to quit...which by the way he has admitted to be a mistake and says he regrets doing it. I've been to his The Wall tour concert, as part of the show during the Mother he stops and talks about how "fucking misrable" he was back then, yet some people still defend him!
Roger is like a kid that left the park and pretends that the other kids that love it there can't play either... Dude, get over it, if you left, you left. Period. Let the other members do whatever they decide to do.If a parent leaves the house for good, then he/she has no saying on anything within the house.
Give it up, Roger. You left the band, you tried to kill the name, you failed. I respect your music. I like your music. I don`t respect your actions when you left the band. Just let it go.
@@voodoodisco Big claim. He surely got his space on 'The Wall'. However, that still wasn't enough for him somehow. For most people PF is also a bit more than that. Like Dark Side, where there was also space for Rick and Nick. To claim that they have nothing to offer just because Roger felt there was no space for anybody but himself seems a bit cynical to me.
You miss the point. Just because Roger left, he was and always will be inseparable from Pink Floyd. He made the right decision by trying to end it while they were on top. It’s weird to see so many fans who wish Pink Floyd would have followed the same embarrassing path as the Stones and so many other bands that haven’t made a decent record in three decades.
I can see why he has tried to end Pink Floyd with him leaving. He was there at the start and seems to have been the biggest creative force behind the band. He thinks his input in the project was significant enough to justify Pink Floyd ending with him. And I think it's fair, of course David was important too but the albums after The Final Cut kind of lack research and experimentation. Dave Grohl created the Foo Fighters after Kurt passed, he didn't continue with Nirvana. And judging by his political takes, Roger seems to have a very empathetic, sound and coherent worldview so I think his criticism here is not petty rambling. Is it really important for people in general? No, but I think you cannot understand what it feels to have the name of your life's work used without your implication. The music he created is what he will have left to humanity. We know he is the one who made it, but maybe he is too close to it to realize that the others keeping the name is not really a big deal.
@@BrendanJSmith Not sure. But he did meet David when starting at Cambridgeshire College in 1962. I haven't seen anything about when he met the others, but it seems it might have been in 1965 after switching to Camberwell College.
It’s great to see I’m not alone in my dislike of Waters. He has gone as far as saying he wrote the music for dark side. No he didn’t. Every single song on dark side was written by Richard and David. Bass players might be able to write lyrics but the guy at the time and still now barely can play a guitar and cannot play piano at all. Yet he has the balls to say he gets mad when he here’s them playing all my songs. He’s a miserable old man that lost everything including his best friends. That’ tends to happen when you sue your friends
@@JohnPandolfo121 You’re 100% wrong. Roger had demos of Time and Money he brought to the rest of the band and he wrote Brain Damage almost completely by himself.
@@ralphiecifaretto8961 Then please explain why there are videos right here on CZcams of Richard and David explaining how they both wrote the music while Roger was writing the lyrics. Are you saying there flat out lying?? Or do you believe the egomaniac that took his best friends to court ...twice. Roger didn't play the guitar except for some simple rhythm back then and still doesn't know how to play the piano. How did he write music he can't play?? Not rocket science. And yes if you want I will send you the link of both david and richard explaining how the process went.
@@JohnPandolfo121 Not necessarily lying, but there’s demos on CZcams of Time and Money by Roger Waters, without the rest of the band. They added their parts after wrote the songs. Roger wrote ALL the lyrics, came up with the song structures and chord progressions, came up with most of the sound effects, and the album cover was his idea. He deserves most of the credit for that album. Or at least more than the rest of the band. I’d give him at least 50% credit, and the rest of the guys share the other 50%.
As a lyricist and songwriter he´s one of the best ever but as a human being he´s deplorable. Always pledging for love while everything that comes out from his mouth is anger and bitterness. Poor rich man you are Mr. Waters.
Not saying I would want to hang out with the guy haha, but I almost like that about him. I love ALL the Floyd members and the vast majority of their collective work (and some solo), and I also miss the days of more artists who were "characters" in the rogue-ish sense, I suppose. Somewhat anti-social, prickly, tormented (or torment-ING?...), not really "people skills" folks, etc. That used to go more hand in hand with being an artist, it seems (including classical composers!) I'm not here to say if that's morally desirable or whatever. Just saying that we've come to a place where art itself seems to be judged only on whether the artist is a "good guy", which is nuts. I myself have always liked people who do something I like, even if they may be personal messes or unethical in some ways. I am a fan of people like Scott Weiland, Gene Simmons, Michael Jackson, Kid Rock, I even still like some R Kelly songs. All are people who are/were variously addicted messes, huge A-holes, criminals or accused criminals, or hold controversial opinions etc. And I love the art I love, I DON'T care what these guys act like or believe, frankly.
"Roger Waters left Pink Floyd in 1985 and took the other members to court to attempt to stop them using the name. He lost the case and lost the rights to the Pink Floyd name. He later said he was wrong to sue them."
Dear Roger, David Gilmour was the best thing that could have happened in your life. You should just thank him. Except for jeff beck, all the guitarists you've had since you left Pink Floyd, put together aren't worth a finger from David's left hand.
David Gilmour would have been nothing without Roger Waters. Pink Floyd would be just another psychadelic jam band that faded away after the 60s. His solo work is unlistenable and he had to bring in 25 other songwriters to replace Waters in order to make mediocre albums.
In the 70s, in my then capacity as a staffer (gopher) at WZMF (Milwaukee) radio, I spent time with members of Pink Floyd, on several occasions. Waters was an ass even back then... and it seems, to this day, Waters still remains one.
This is just sad. He's got fame, money, talent...and decades later he still just sits around bitching. How'd someone get so old and not learn to grow up? One of the biggest life lessons, Roger, is that you can't blame someone else for your own choices. No matter how much money you have.
Talk about destructive elephants in the room. He was clueless 2 yrs ago about who that was, clueless about the destructive force in the band, and probably still is clueless, even though today we have to worry about an elephant starting a nuclear war over greed. Gilmore was probably the sanest and most practical of the bunch. Don't blame him for allowing the distance to remain between them. Rodgers wants in on the website. That's rich. Did he contribute to it's generation and feels entitled because there's group music that he played and sang in? Well, maybe he should've forked over his share of the investment money creating the website, not come along after the work was done and demand to be let back in. He left of his own free will. Took his ball and went home. Living with the choices made. We all must. I agree get over it.
A real Pink Floyd fan only cares for the band as a whole. We dont care about egos. For me, Roger, Dave, Nick, Rick and,Syd - by the way- and all your work is all that matters. Long live Pink Floyd
@@MrSlowestD16 He could be referencing The Sound of Music or the real Von Trapp family I'm not really sure. But in this case he used it as a dig to David’s family life.
all of ya are wrong. david and polly (and family) during covid lockdowns and such, would do a podcast where they would all perform and chat and whatnot. dave and polly called it the "von trapped family" after the von trapps from sound of music. and of course roger is calling them the von trapp family.
It sounds kind of ridiculous hearing Roger talk about how it's fair to have "equal access" to Pink Floyd... And then proceeding to slam Gilmour for "Thinking he owns Pink Floyd" Gotta let it go man and move on. You dug your own grave in the past through your own narcissism.
@@KelticTim Indeed. He gets the equal cut of what he contributed with, but what he really wants is to stop the remaining band members from making money from their work in the name of Pink Floyd. That is nothing but petty envy from Mr. Waters' part. There is a court ruling about the ownership of the band Pink Floyd, so no controversy there either. Let me quote Roger Waters when he unknowingly was describing himself with song lyrics: "Just another sad old man All alone and dying of cancer" His cancer is his bitterness.
Without Syd, the Floyd would have never happened. With him, it never would have continued. Without both Waters and Gilmour it never would have succeeded.
I can't understand how a man of your intelligence and musical genius shows such immaturity, bitterness and ignorance over something which clearly is going against you, as the public opinion shows. You were part of the greatest band ever and anyone with knowledge of Pink Floyd, knows well of your influence on the music and creation of the pieces that will last for eternity....let your bitterness go as you risk people remembering for your this rather than your genius...
Narcissisms and bullheaded are not hard to understand Ric. You come across people like that everyday. Most people at least have that one family member who thinks they are always right and anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot (especially in politics). Makes Christmas dinners a real drama show.
Well said pretty much right although I don't know if Pink Floyd is truly the greatest rock band ever - they did hit on a certain something in a certain way that no one else quite did. Unfortunately Roger Waters stained my appreciation for their creative genius a long time ago and he's just gotten worse since. I don't blame David Gilmour or Nick Mason or anyone else for distancing from him. The tortured artist stereotype is nothing new and I think Waters just wants to take that stereotype and use it to define himself. He probably has bipolar disorder or something like that, which makes him absolute hell to be around despite his genius intelligence and all that.
@@geetarman You mean three sides to every story. Gilmour's work is very good, but he can't write lyrics. He can compose well and he's good at condensing. But Lyrics and themes has always been his weakness. Roger can compose and write lyrics, but his weakness is that he over does it. Too much ego. Too much opinion. He doesn't condense his work well. The Wall and the Final Cut are perfect examples. They are supposed to be the same album. Gilmour and Ezrin condensed and streamlined "the Wall" and cut out a lot of fat. That fat Roger used to make "Final Cut". The most complex compositions on the Wall is where Gilmour's compositions come in. Young Lust, Comfortably Numb, Run like Hell were Gilmour compositions. Not one of those had lyrics written by Gilmour. These two may have been at bitter odds, but coincidentally, Gilmour's strengths are right in line with balancing out Roger's weakness.... And vise versa. Gilmour was right! What was cut from "The Wall" was Meh. I just can't sit through "Final Cut". Roger just can't leave "well enough" alone. Roger writes some really good stuff, but by the time I finish one of his Solo albums, I go from "this is Cool stuff" to "meh".
Without Roger Waters Pink Floyd would have disappeared into irrelevancy. David Gilmour’s contributions are great, but I don’t think the band works with him as the heart and driving force. You don’t like Roger Waters, and fine, but I think your feelings for him as a person are warping your feeling for him as an artist. Or maybe you just have crap opinions, who knows.
@@ilygojo if it WASN'T for all of them there wouldn't have been no pink Floyd yeah...I like David hes a great artist..but your comment is overrated at best mate. They needed each other. If it wasn't for Syds recommendation David Gilmore wouldn't be here..... technically.🇬🇧 You Americans..lol...
It's rather sad watching him sitting there talking about how unfair life is. He chose to leave, he thought the band would fold, when they didn't he tried to sue them to stop them using the name. Like someone leaving their spouse hoping they will crumble then seeing them later and realising they're happier than ever - he thought that their life wouldn't go on without him and this is a painful realty check that (for them) he is nothing more than an irrelevance. Let it go Roger, you have much more to give the world.
David Gilmore wouldn't be shit without Roger's songs to sing and play on. Sorry, it's true. Sounds like your armchair analysis doges the clear point a heart, which is that Gilmore bans any mention of Roger's work on Pink Floyd's website. That is just wrong. After Syd fell apart, Roger was the main creative force and songwriter during Floyd's golden age.
Dude, you quit the band. You sued the members who didn't quit, and they're supposed give a shit about what YOU think is fair? At this point Pink Floyd has survived longer without out than your time you were with them.
Roger, you left and then tried to prevent the others continuing. Thankfully they kept going but you’re still out - it’s what you wanted. Your lyrics were probably masterful but without the other three, and particularly David, I seriously doubt I and many others would have ever had the chance to hear them or even bothered to try. You’re obviously still upset but try to let it go… Remember when you were young…
@@alexkx8599 When Roger quit and walked away. It did not become anything, it was left to the three who were still in the band (Well, two and later all three of the others). If four people own something together, and one walks away and says "I do not want this anymore", that person who walks away cannot force the others to walk away from their ownership. Roger walked away. Are you able to comprehend this?
@Fab4 I do not recall any three of The Beatles wanting to continue to use the name. Are you unclear of the distinction between a decision reached by mutual consent of all parties involved, and one where three of four dispute the contention that the band is no more?
@@nickmcginley4570 Exactly! They didn’t want to continue to use the name, because they KNEW, that there would be no Beatles without Paul. It’s not about what some judge somewhere decides. It’s not a legal matter, but something much more valuable than that. ✌️
I saw Pink Floyd in concert back in the 90's. David Gilmour carried the entire show because you were not there. It was a great show, you were not missed. Sorry about your going crazy.
Roger "Whining" Waters.... what a miserable sod. Awesome lyricist, great vision but his grand ego and his battles with the band, especially Gilmour, tainted their legacy somewhat. 😢
Boo Hoo. You left the band and then tried everything in your power to try and stop them. Now you expect to peddle your crap on the website? Gimme a break.
Yea, because Roger needs to pedal his crap…. He has the 6th highest grossing tour ever with his Wall tour and has a net worth of estimated 300 million plus. Roger has always been to the point and here he is answering a question he’s been asked. Not sure why you are angry/upset about it.
@@user-tz2zz5ij1s I was referring to his solo material. In case you missed it, The Wall was a Pink Floyd album. As someone who has bought and listened to his solo albums, I’m entitled to the opinion that they’re crap. The sales numbers would suggest I’m not alone, but Roger seems to believe it’s because he doesn’t have the Pink Floyd name (hence his extended rant).
@@bertjilk3456 In case you missed it, you do know that The Wall was basically a solo record from Roger which is why he eventually left? Roger was the heart and soul of Pink Floyd. The main contributor and the guidance to all their top selling albums. I would disagree, Amused to Death and Is This The Life We Really Want are better than anything Pink Floyd has done post Roger Leaving. They also sold very well. We are all entitled to our opinions chief. So is Roger when answering a question. Without Roger there would have never been a Pink Floyd. You really going to say Division Bell is good and holds up TDSOTM, Wish You Were Here or The Wall? Roger is just simply stating that he believes that a website called The Pink Floyd should also include him and what he’s up to. And fun fact, I’ve seen Roger live on three different tours with a ticket for the next This is Not a Drill tour in the past 15 years. When’s the last time you could catch a Pink Floyd tour? Roger to this day is keeping Pink Floyd’s music alive, viable, and able to experience. I’m pretty sure fans just love the music. There is no Us and Them when it comes to the music. They aren’t competing. Hell David even showed up and played on a couple of Rogers tours. Don’t be a hater and just a negative person. You can do better than that.
@@user-tz2zz5ij1s All your opinion, which you’re entitled to as well (except that Gilmour appeared for two songs, at one concert). I’m glad you enjoyed his concerts, I did too (but I missed the signature sound of Gilmour and Wright, which were integral to PF). I also enjoyed Gilmour’s tours even more, because I’m more partial to the MUSIC of PF. The fact remains, Waters left Pink Floyd rather bitterly, and it’s more than a bit laughable that he now wants to use it as an advertising platform. Which begs the question, if his solo career is as resoundingly successful as you suggest (hint: it isn’t), why does he even care about the website of his former band? Allow me to suggest the answer: he wants the marketing clout that the brand name ‘Pink Floyd’ carries. If I was Gilmour, I would say the same thing. F-off! That’s not hating, it’s just reality.
What a deep, sad , tragedy, that two icons from one of Great Britain's legend bands, whom have not only written, created and performed some the greatest musical moments in history, but have inspired generations to learn musical instruments and composition, have yet to put the past utterly behind them, and come together before it's too late and leave this planet to return to being stardust with their bandmates. One can only hope.
@@rj2011g who's better than who doesnt even matter because the music and legend they gave us wouldn't have happened with out ALL of them! Yes gilmour absolutely was what they needed to drive them where they went but still it wouldn't have happened with out Roger! .... David Gilmour is the most incredible, beautiful, magical guitarist period i will say that for sure! I've never heard someone play guitar in a way that makes you feel every single emotion! His guitar sings and cries and laughs and screams and orgasims lol
Not to mention they wrote a full album about life which is what got them huge and ironically tore them apart with the egos they grew from fame. They need to take their own lyrics to heart..especially roger. Honestly from all I've studied and watched over the years, there's a reason why roger was banned. He's Honestly thebasshole in the feud. Way before he left the Floyd he was the control freak and pretty much made Dave feel like just because he came after Syd that he has no say so David took that as being spat in his face for years so yea I don't blame him for the resentment he holds on roger but roger has no right. He left and David wanted to continue. Roger's ego didn't want that and tried stopping him and lost so yea if you didn't want pink Floyd to continue then you shouldn't have any control over what Floyd is anymore. Period.
I love every single era Pink Floyd has produced. I also have loved each person's solo projects. I have no desire to badmouth any of them. My assumption is that since Roger left the band, the remaining members want to maintain control of their brand. If someone left a company, but attempted to keep access to their advertising or marketing department, there would be lawsuits. They didn't erase Roger from the past, they just don't allow him any control from outside of the band he chose to leave. "Thank you Roger! I truly appreciate and love everything that you created (musically) with and without Pink Floyd. All of it has had a profound impact on my life."
Well if composer and songwriter leaves (and that is what Roger was , all songs done by him) you might wanna let him keep name of the band and start something else instead of using "company" name to sell different products made by you. As for personal attacks , couldn't care less.
we all arabs we do respect mr roger waters for his music and for his support to Palestinian people , so yes we love you mr roger waters because you are not running after money but you are making a historical golden touch as a real human full of love , you are a legend
Seriously…. It’s cause you’re not Pink Floyd anymore as you just said, “you left the band” so your “recreation” of mother no matter how good it is(& it was good btw) is NOT Pink Floyd 🤷♂️
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 The “Pink Floyd” formula: “The strength of Pink Floyd lies in the music, the music MUST be able to stand Alone BEFORE adding the HEAVY WEIGHT of Lyrics”- David Gilmour
@@oriolfont4101 Roger is a one trick pony. He has not write anything worth listening to since the wall. That was 40 years ago! The only tracks on the wall or Animals that have stood the test of time are the ones Dave was involved with.
Poor Roger Waters, always jealous of true musical talent. Nobody would have heard of Pink Floyd had it not been for the guitar pyrotechnics of Dave Gilmour. Truth be told, Roger Waters played a bit part in David Gilmour's band. He's the luckiest guy in the world to have stumbled into a great band and become famous by association. Roger Waters is OK, but let's not get carried away...he was clearly the least talented musician in the group, and it always baffles me why he's not more grateful.
As a 43 year old fan who has been through a tough life it’s saddens me to know that you who made the most meaningful music and have probably made tons of money individually can’t seem to get past the petty shit I thought was reserved for us poor people who live ordinary lives.
I would think that with tons of money, success there would actually be ADDED human complications. This actually seems like one of the less insane ones I've heard of. Humans are all still human, even though all members of Pink Floyd came together to make some of the most awesome musics even IMAGINABLE...
It hurts when the band isn’t about you, doesn’t it? Kind of how you made the rest of the band feel when you said pink Floyd was no more because you were “breaking up the band”
Well Rodger, when you walked away from Pink Floyd you walked away from Pink Floyd and who kept PF alive for the last 37 years? David Gilmore. All in all you’re just another brick in the PF wall
Two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year.
Running over the same old ground!
What have we found?
The same old fears...
wish thoose two were here
Wish you weren't in the band,Roger..you jelous a lot...KID😂😂😂😂
The lunatic is in my head.
No, David doesn't think you're "irrelevant" to Pink Floyd's work. He just thinks that after being a bully, leaving the band, suing them and talking shit for years, he doesn't want to put up with you anymore.
That's your low opinion of Gilmour? That's too bad. I think Gilmour has made enough money that he doesn't have to prevent Waters from being associated with the Pink Floyd name. All Floyd fans know who Roger Waters is. It's sad what business can do to people even in their final years. Is Gilmour going to put Pink Floyd on his head stone and prevent Waters from doing it? What does that solve?
Ha Ha ha! David and the others, just got sick of being depressed and putting up with your egotistical mania LSD trip (Lead Singers Disease). You wanted FULL creative control over Pink Floyd and you just mentioned 4 other people!........ At least David doesn't ruin the memory of Pink Floyd by using its catalogue of material to tear down An American president with smears slanders and insults! Especially one who stands up against the very globalists who sent YOUR father to the slaughter that you can't stop whining about! Especially to a crown of 300,000 scumbags who want to come into this country (america) to freeload and steal our resources!
Jerry Garcia was right when he said playing to audiences that big "is dangerously close to fascism"! And at least he didn't ABUSE his position like you have done! Next time you wanna slander someones leader try your own fucking Queen! Who (the Queen and the Pope) absconded with 13 Mohawk children over 10 years ago from Canada, that were never seen or hear from again! BRING THE CHILDREN HOME! (which are presumed dead in a Satanic human sacrifice!) F your queen! That CUNT!
Look at your favorite Pink Floyd songs and see who wrote them. At least that was a realization that had a few years ago.
@@tjlightningbolt dude, you got your own problems, sort yourself out. You're not interested in a discussion about music, you wanna make a political statement, so go do that some other place, ok?
@@stickman1742 I don't think I ever said that Gilmour tries to keep Waters from associating with the Pink Floyd brand, in case your comment is directed at me. So I'm not sure what exactly you're on about.
Gilmour had the Pink Floyd Facebook page created. Not Roger. Now he thinks he deserves access to it. He's talked shit about Gilmour too many times. Why would David grant him access to it? Roger should stick to his measly Facebook page and stop worrying about what David Gilmour is doing on the page he had created.
A man who searches for world peace but can't find peace within himself
Bang on the money!
Literally john lennon lmao
Yeppers
Roger Waters is such a SALLY. He quits the band and then cries because he's not part of it anymore.
Possibly you need to have this kind of introverted embarrassingly obsessive personality to write an album like The Wall
Yeah, but you didn't just "leave the band". You tried to end the band as if it was all you. You dragged the band into court to fight any future use of the name.
You think Momentary Lapse of Reason and Divison Bell is worthy of Pink Floyd? Neither did David, he's been laying low since he made his cash in 1994.
@@illegalewahrheiten2911 David has been doing anything but laying low. Have you seen Live At Pompeii???
From Rolling Stone: When Waters poignantly reprised old songs like “Welcome to the Machine,” “Money” and “Another Brick in the Wall,” he wasn’t just doing the best of Floyd. Those were his songs, “the words and music of Roger Waters,” as Ladd declared at the end of an extended Floyd medley in the first half. The implication, of course, was unmistakable: anyone else out there playing these songs, claiming to be Floyd, is bogus.
“I would be terribly happy for you to like what I’m doing and to like what he’s doing,” Waters said sharply the next day, referring to Gilmour, “if it wasn’t for the fact that he was calling himself Pink Floyd. He isn’t. If one of us was going to be called Pink Floyd, it’s me.” Even the old props in the current Floyd show, Waters insisted, were originally his idea. “That’s my pig up there,” he said. “That’s my plane crashing.” He snickered and added, “It’s their dry ice.”
The “which one’s Pink?” debate has been a legal football kicked around by lawyers since last fall, when Waters sued Gilmour and Mason in an attempt to prevent them from using the name, claiming the group was “a spent force creatively.” (Rick Wright, who quietly left the group in 1980 after the Wall shows, has unofficially returned for the new Floyd album and tour.) Both camps, however, have now taken their cases to the people in a vindictive press war. Floyd fans are, in a sense, getting two state-of-the-art-rock shows and records - Waters’s Radio K.A.O.S., the Floyd’s Momentary Lapse of Reason - for the price of one band. But the price has been disastrously high. In their fight to determine who is the rightful heir to the Pink Floyd throne and the continuing fortune it’s worth, Waters, Gilmour and Mason have destroyed whatever personal friendship, band camaraderie and musical unity first bonded them
www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/pink-floyd-the-inside-story-104505/
@@illegalewahrheiten2911 shit Division bell is my favorite of all Floyd albums and I'm almost 50. I got burnt out on the wall 25 yrs ago in high school
@@poppinmycollar423 You must really like the Gilmour sound. What it lacks is the soul that Waters brought to the band. Gilmour sound, Rick Wright atmosphere, Waters the heart and soul.
Roger Waters seems to be an unpleasant,quarrelsome and narcissistic person.
Just a bitter and angry old man.
Ya think!
Totally right!
He’s become one of the people they were singing about on “Animals”….
Ego Ego Ego !!!!! It's gets old ! Every time let it go
@@terrypussypower ... yup!
It's crazy that The Wall is about Pink pointing the finger at everyone except himself and finally coming to terms with the fact he's the one with the problem, but Roger has never realized the same lesson applies to him
who tf is pink
@@rbw7556 the main character of The Wall is named Pink Floyd
@@rbw7556 Really? Who is Pink?
Roger Waters was the master mind of the Pink Floyed before he left. The band has lost its soul and character after him. but I respect David, Nick and Richard (RIP)
@@Narpets2112 Pink is the central character (played by Bob Geldof) in the movie, "Pink Floyd: The Wall".
I do not completely agree about the above description of the movie's central theme but yes, there is that aspect of the story that is relevant to the actual scenario of the PF band members.
I picture this, Roger.
You had a girlfriend (Pink floyd) and even built a house with her. But you left her and the house,and even mistreated her. And now after some years you want your pictures to be held on the wall. You are not welcome anymore.
We appreciate all your contributions for the band, by the way.
can I use that in a song?
@@mikemccart8236 Of course haha, let me hear it then.
Who's to say its a home with his "girlfriend"? What if it's the family home, and they are all head of the household (fathers) but they couldnt live under one roof, so Roger left, it should still be his home.
@@LebSista There is a saying in spanish that goes...
"El que se fue de Sevilla, perdio su Silla"
"Who left Sevilla, lost his chair"
Find the ryhme in the words
Yeah but it’s his house
You left the band thinking it couldn’t exist without you. You took them to court and were paid to go away. Live with your decisions like a man.
Assuming that is true , does that make it ok for the other members (Gilmoure...etc) to do the same or to act as if Waters isn't part of Floyd? Isn't that hypocrisy then ? One of the abhorrent characteristics that Floyd stood against to begin with? Two wrongs make a ....? What? Dirty laundry fued ? Come on , get over it. You're all fucking mega rich , famous , talented , heros. Smoke a fuckin j together and get on.
@@travishaynes9682 it's basically Gilmour giving Roger a taste of his own medicine. While Roger is a lyrical genius with vision, the lack of credit given to Gilmour and Wright's musical contributions, his never-ending ego-driven animosity etc etc etc makes him a complete whiny asshole. Some things never change.
Not as simple as that mate. Don't forget Wright left Pink Floyd before Waters. There was something or someone creating a toxic atmosphere in the band. I think it goes deeper than the band members themselves. Perhaps the record label or managers working with them are somehow involved? Roger Waters is a lyrical genius as his lyrics come from a deeper place and reflect on him as a person with a pure soul and integrity who cares about the planet and the future of mankind. Polly Samson cannot replace Roger Waters even though there are one or two good songs written by her and Gilmour like "High Hopes'. I have a feeling that Polly is preventing them from reuniting, kinda acting like the bands Yoko Ono in a way. Likewise David Gilmour is a brilliant musician and one of the best guitarists of all time and I cannot imagine Pink Floyd without him. It's a shame they can't resolve their dispute and reunite.
@@medved4030 Wright left Floyd cause Roger kicked him out during the Wall recordings. Strange that Gilmour and Nick allowed this to happen at all
@@medved4030 Wright didn't leave the band, Waters kicked him out. He literaly threatened to stop The Wall from being released if Wright wasn't fired. And the reason was that Wright was going through a difficult time and was not contributing as much as he used to (which also makes it ironic because Waters now acts like he didn't need contributions from others and it was all him). These are very well known issues, Waters was difficult to wok with and was the source of tension. Bob Ezrin was the producer of the Wall, after the Wall he got invitations from both Waters and Gilmour to work on their solo albums at the same time...he chose Gilmour because according to him he was an all around nicer person to work with.
After so many years,Waters still talks shit while Gilmour ignores him.
That's fact says it all
He replied him, and apart from this announcement Roger hardly talks about Gilmour so shut it, it's stupid to not allow a past member use a damn website named Pink Floyd, as long as that name exists he has the right, can't believe two grandfather's are bickering over nonsense that they could have resolved, this is why I like children they don't have time for malice.
@@someguyfromanotherplanet5284 i don't think you're some guy from another planet. i think you're roger waters.
@@plasticweapon 😕😕😕😕what is this one saying
@@someguyfromanotherplanet5284 you shut up, no you shut up, how funny. Roger waterhead left the band.
@@someguyfromanotherplanet5284 you leave a band, you don't get use of it. Simple. You stupid or something?
Is this true? "Roger not only quit Pink Floyd, he sued to try and force the rest of the band from performing as Pink Floyd, after his departure. That was a dumb move, and I’m not quite sure how Roger doesn’t understand how that permanently damaged his chances at any access to the official Pink Floyd sphere of resources". If so, is this poetic justice?
Yes, that’s the true story.
Coming from the guy who said pink floyd had run its course in the 80s
Good point.
He said that just before the reunion concert craze began! It was ironic.
When Syd left the band, Pink Floyd kept going. When you left the band, it kept going. That's what's up, Roger. Move on
that's a really good point because no one thought about syd's leaving, i totally agree
@@luciavictoria5798 yea and when syd left he didn’t bitch and moan about how they never included him in a band he left
Yeah that's the reality. It's not that David thinks he didn't contribute anything, it's just that Waters went on to different endeavors and left, the rest of the band continued.
@@grim2403 it were worst... Syd got apparted by the members... Roger get appart by himself...
And tha as#ole demmands he was PinkFloyd...
And what's more, for Roger to say that David thinks he IS Pink Floyd is very rich coming from the man that forced the band to make The Final Cut which is the only album in Floyd history to give credit to a single member: Waters himself. Waters also fired Rick Wright after the Wall who is not on the last Floyd album featuring Waters as well. There is more I could go into with the turmoil that Waters caused while trying to control the vision of Pink Floyd the band including him suing the remaining members to stop using the name and could be argued that Waters looked at HIMSELF as Pink Floyd. Though he did apologize for the lawsuit later, it sounds to me that this "meeting" he set up was more self-serving and I noticed he said "one of the things I asked for... I suggested that..." It sounds like Roger wanted back in but still had to have a level of control over things. His former bandmate(s) knowing him probably said, " Oh no! We're not giving you a door to come in and seize control and take over like you always do Roger!"
Gilmour doesn't say anything because he's a gentleman .
Absolutely!
Well, I hardly think that gets you very far in life.
@@CikisHelyzet neither does whining!!!
real really... I trust transparency. Not the old guard of secrecy. Whether you agree with his position or approach, it's clear Waters hides behind nothing.
Avoidance keeps this silliness alive. Hash it out, move on. The legacy is greater than the sum of its parts.
Time marches on ... there will be regrets.
Gilmor isn't saying anything because he is pumping money from Pink Floyd brand since he stole it for himself
Roger. Get over your own large ego first. David is humble and loved.
Why would the Pink Floyd website have Roger's solo work on it? Even if it's a cover of a Pink Floyd song? David Gilmour has done lots of solo projects and none of those are on the website either.
"HE LEFT THE BAND! HE FUCKING LEFT THE BAND!"
- Lars Ulrich
He didn't just leave it, his intention was to destroy it, 'I am Pink Floyd and without me it doesn't exist, it can't!' Well, guess what! And some of us will never forget the way he treated Richard...
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
The difference is Jason was bullied, Roger just left
you couldnt pay me to listen to sheetallica they havent stole/wrote a riff since when? 1990 and that was plagarized from mustaine all of it was
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Roger, you were a master lyricist in your own right. However, your continual narcissism is a huge turnoff. Just make music. Be like David and be humble.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!
Roger isn't here. This channel belongs to "Liberate Art - Lana Melman".
Narcissism is a kind of inferiority sometime.
I agree with Roger. Hatchets need to buried and some kind of amicable arrangement needs to be made to honor the legacy of Pink Floyd and it's contributors (Like Roger) that helped build the foundation of the band, not only post works after the fact (to which there are many notable).
I would appreciate if David and Roger could get past themselves to focus on celebrating all periods of the bands existence, and allow all members some type of representation.
Creative differences aside, Roger left the band, and David carried it forward. That doesn't make less of each's contributions.
I wish they could get along in an unselfish way for the benefit of all fans that have supported the band for decades.
@@DreamzCatcher23 thats EXACTLY what it is...
I see a millionaire complaining about a loss of a revenue stream because of a decision he now regrets from almost 40 years ago.
After Syd left Roger was all ready to take over the band and make it his own. They hired David Gilmour and assumed he would take his rightful place behind Roger as the guitarist and occasional vocalist. What poor Mr. Waters was NOT ready for was the amazing creative force and vocal talent that Gilmour ended up becoming. By the time they got to Dark Side of the Moon, Gilmour's star had arrived. All of the popular hits on Dark Side, were sung by Gilmour and his soaring guitar solos had captured the World. After the same thing happened on Wish You Were Here, Waters had had enough. He wrestled control of the band from Gilmour and produced his concept album Animals. Granted. Rodger Waters was absolutely talented. He just had no desire to play 2nd fiddle to Gilmour. He bullied and forced Richard Wright out of the band. He was a colossal dick. Gilmour is rock legend, a philanthropist, and all around good person. His guitar work is an inspiration to me, and millions around the World. Waters is an angry bassist with a grudge.
Nailed it
The funny thing is that the only song in animals co sung and wrote by Gilmour is also by far the best one in the album
True.. Sad but true...
@@DefinityDraw sheep?
Could not have said it any better.
Roger could get in an argument in a room by himself. He is a brilliant songwriter and his body of work is undeniable. When you are an irritable SOB...this is what happens. Nobody wants to deal with you if they have a choice.
Yup I know from experience -signed an asshole
Keep in mind that we've hardly even HEARD from Roger since Amused to Death. He was golfing apparantly and waiting to live alone, dying of cancer. Because its social media, ANY complaining is ALWAYS complaining. He wants to be on the Pink Floyd website, thats a reasonable complaint. NOT letting him on is also just as reasonable. But its US that have the problem in ramping any discussion out to the extremes. Everything on social media is black and white.
@@mikearchibald744 are you forgetting he literally tried to end pink floyd years ago, thinking they couldnt be a band without him? check professor of rocks channel on youtube. its an interesting story. rogers ego is massive.
@@terrybanks5063 Not forgetting at all, I've written about it. The short version is that Pink Floyd as a 'band', meaning, as a BUSINESS, was bankrupt and had no money. There were tons of business reasons for ending the band, and essentially by The Final Cut he WAS 'the band', with Rick gone and Nick barely contributing and Dave fighting him on using old music he felt wasn't good enough, but offereing nothing new.
NOBODY gets that kind of wealth and fame without getting some kind of ego, that goes for the rest of hte band. But that doesn't make Rogers ego 'massive', but like most people in life, and particularly those with money, they like to have things their way. Thats ego, but its pretty typical. As I've said, I know people with virtually NO accomplishments of any kind that still have an oversized ego. Considering what Roger has done musically and charitably, I don't think thats any more massive than anybody else. Like Terry Gilliam said of Monty Python, the hardest thing about getting together is the fact they've all got control of their own little world and its hard to function as a 'team'.
That’s why he wrote the wall after he spat at a fan
This is what happens to people who have too much $$$$.
Right
Huh? Umm...no. Loads and loads of people have "too much $$$$" in the opinions of the average man. Are you saying they are all like this?
Actually, to be correct he has a lot of
£££££££…! LOL
But he is not like that because of the money…!
To your point, if someone lacks for nothing - great wealth, fame, new teeth, and yet will whine about the thing that brought it, the person is not a genius, he is an infantile git. I adore the music but Roger is embarrassing.
@@eneastavora1943...don't give me that do goody good bullshit.
Writing an open letter to Ukraine's first lady in which he claims Ukraine is responsible for being invaded by Russia shows how removed from reality this man has become. Whether he believes it's true or not, the fact he wrote the letter shows his own vastly inflated sense of importance.
and that recent open letter to Putin as well, as if he's going to read it. Being in a widely acclaimed band 40 years ago has given him a Messiah complex. To the point where he thinks he can solve international affairs.
I mean, Ukraine is responsible for being invaded by Russia. They very easily could have avoided this whole ordeal by not bombing the crap out of their Eastern regions over the past 8 years...
Outside of music he is a Pathetic Man. I AM Polish, Poland was where Ukrainę is now, Russia attacked US in 1920, then wwII, enforced communism and took over the country post WW2. This Man thinks he knows everything, as a Pole, I think he is full of SHIT. Cease fire would mean Russia literally taking over, not the teritorry maybe but the politics.
@@theremnants6655he is doing more than you are to solve it.
@@riboid You're right. I'll write an open letter to Putin too.
All the creative music you all made, every album, every song is just pure magic. You all together were a force of musical brilliance the worlds ears have never heard before. What saddens me , is to think of all the music that we as fans never got to experience because of an ego that was more important than the band. Sure, you and David both have good solo material, but just think of what the original 5 would have created in the 35 years of not getting along
but maybe they would've started putting out total shit. shit from a dog's ass, i mean.
Spot on well said!
It is crazy the amount of timeless beauty they did create in the time they did. Pink floyd has a mythical vibe to me. It is a band who's original writer lost his mind and the others had to take over for him. I only recently learned of this beef. As chill as the actual music is Pink Floyd might have been an untamable beast from the beginning. That much incredible music in that short of a time bends spacetime or something. It may be that it was never sustainable.
@Jr, Chances are David never would have been there if Syd had stayed.
I read this in the style of Pink Floyd lyrics over a track belonging to DSOTM or The Wall.
“He f*cking left the band!” - Lars Ulrich
😂
I'm pretty sure he says focking hahahahahaha
Yes, but he was still a contributing member for many years. Unless, they want to cal the website Pink Floyd after 1985 ... There are like almost 20 years of Waters life invested into something I believe he is proud to have been a part of.
wait no warning no second chance
Roger Waters, genius songwriter, brilliant lyricist, exceptional musician, royal prick
Agree three of those. He's not a great musician.
Roger doesn't and never did write any of the music that David and Richard were playing. He wrote the lyrics...that's it. Think about how absurd it would be people believing Roger Waters was telling David Gilmour how he should play the guitar. Than after you finish the thought listen to Animals full album. Till today neverminded 1977 Roger does not play the guitar except for some limited rhythm background playing and he doesn't play the piano or drums at all. David and Richard did the music writing while Roger wrote the lyrics. Simple to understand and insulting to Pink Floyd and there fans saying Roger is a great or even good musician. He's a terrible musician. His solo albums hurts my brain. There that bad. Yet David's solo albums while not Pink Floyd is mostly really good music. Some great songs too in his solo career.
@@JohnPandolfo121 yeah but the Wall is one of the best albums of all time.
@@xsm5525 yes and all the band members agree that most of that album was his work. His masterpiece in my eyes. Very said he killed Pink Floyd..
@@JohnPandolfo121 err… he did right most of the music. He may not have given them their distinct sound that was provided by Gilmour and Wright, but he still wrote a huge amount of the basic music. Just check writing credits for Animals and The Wall.
Seems to me that he expects everyone to dance with him in the light of his own burning bridges. And then simply cannot understand why they dare to refuse him.
Crying hungry with a loaf of bread under each arm.
David Gilmore kept Pink Floyd alive through the years, in my opinion
Yep and they sound just like a Dave Gilmour solo album now
@@davedoogan6650 yes, and semi-shit
the 87 album without Waters, says it all in the amateurish writing of the songs.
Yeah, alive like a weekend at Bernie's.
@@davedoogan6650 Have you heard the Final Cut Album? It's great, but it's literally Waters singing the entire time and strayed from typical musicality of the Pink Floyd sound as a band.
Ps. I note David doesn't spend his time trashing Roger, speaks volumes
But his wife Polly Samson does...
@@ricpan and apparently he agrees
Any decent man would.
@@ricpanPut out of context, yeah, it sounds bad, but Polly posted her tweet after Waters' declaration, which any normal human being would not keep silent after such attacks. I will never deny Waters talents, he is a great artist, but such comments from him was not necessary. I do not envy him to live with so much resentments at his age, he still acts like a small kid in the school yards. Great as an artist, but as a human being, he sucks.
@@badouplus1304 Musically I like both artists, but Waters is the profile of courage. One frontman is a pro-war puppet of the establishment, while the other is someone who speaks the truth against war. Wake up, it is not hard to see how the entertainment industry is owned, and it is now very easy to see the few who will speak truth to power.
If someone left a company 35 years ago, he doesn’t get to sit on the board of directors just because his ego dictates he should.
yes he can, P F was him vision he was PF soul, without him PF his a cover band.
@@ruiteixeira6299 go tell it to Syd .....
This is exactly how it works in the real world.
A narcissist's only intentions are self-serving.
You didn't just leave Pink Floyd. You tried to sue them out of existence. They kept making hits while you became a Pink Floyd cover band.
O damn
Learning to fly is all I recall.
@@williamolsen20 I think Take it Back also charted top 100. The big take away here though is that Waters didn't just leave Pink Floyd. He tried to end Pink Floyd. Sue them out of existence.
Waters tried to prevent Gilmour and Mason from using the Pink Floyd name going forward. Waters was the member who brought the ideas to the table for the band to work on....DSOTM, WYWH, Animals, The Wall, all concepts that Waters brought to the band. These are the albums the Pink Floyd name was built upon up until the split...this was their greatest achievement. When Waters left he felt that Pink Floyd was no longer a band....and when they reformed without him, yes, he tried to stop it. He didn't try to use the Pink Floyd name, professionally he moved on to solo work. But Gilmour/Mason continued using the name, but had no ideas that could possibly match what Waters brought to the table.
What came out of that legal battle was about the BUSINESS of Pink Floyd, the LABEL, the TRADEMARK. Gilmour and Mason used that name to take a different direction.....Waters didn't want to...he felt it should end. I think Gilmour/Mason led Floyd was much more about doing the covers that the fans expected, and putting out new material under that old name...they got the benefit of the Pink Floyd name.
Waters a "Pink Floyd cover band'??? Really??? He covers the songs HE WROTE. He doesn't cover Pink Floyd material he was not involved in....Gilmour/Mason cover songs Waters wrote....I think you have it backwards.
Now, Waters was a twat back then, and still to this day, but I think he was right. Here is a quote from him in 2013 about the matter...
"I was wrong. Of course I was ... It's one of the few times that the legal profession has taught me something. Because when I went to these chaps and said, "Listen, we're broke, this isn't Pink Floyd anymore," they went, "What do you mean? That's irrelevant, it is a label and it has commercial value. You can't say it's going to cease to exist ... you obviously don't understand English jurisprudence.""
Nah. Waters only played HIS PF songs. Gilmore and Mason played his songs the rest and new “PF material. Out of respect, they shouldn’t have used the name (aren’t they good enough to stand on their own?? I don’t blame waters for suing.
"because he thinks he IS Pink Floyd, he OWNS Pink Floyd".... coming from Roger Waters it is super ironic.
At least Roger wrote their hits. What Pink Floyd hits did Gilmore write on his own? None. Facts
@@colinmurphy3478 The most played Floyd song ever in the USA is... Comfortably Numb. But well, PF isn´t a band of hitmakers, are they?
@@colinmurphy3478 But without gilmore, would u recon that pink floyd would still be as succesful as they are today?
They have a lot in common. Especially ego.
@@TroyPanda For me PF is Waters/Gilmour/Wright/Mason. I don´t care what they did after The Wall. It´s all rubbish. Including The Final Cut.
Well, we all know how things went after waters left Pink Floyd , but I could not imagine if Pink Floyd could survive without David .
That is because David has the performance ability. But Waters is the vitamin and mineral that charges David's abilities with the challenges that confounded comfort and expectation.
Roger: I am the band.
David: Yes you got that right, you are banned.
And he was the band so if David was really honest about he would start his own band not use Pink Floyd name with all work done by Roger. And I'm not blind fanboy I can compose I know how harmonies work and can play base and rhytam/solo guitar so it pretty obvious to me who wrote what without looking at who got credit.
@@nemanjastankovic4439
Not a fanboy, yeah... Good one!
@@eugenegd2112 Not really , I like Gilmour too , he's incredibly gifted guitar player but composing takes different kind of skills. It's not coincidence that it's basse players are most often composers. I can play guitar but my main instrument is basse guitar ans that is how I learned to compose.
@@nemanjastankovic4439 Your main instrument but you don't know how to spell the bloody word. Yeah, sure.
@@eugenegd2112 Not my native language. I'm Serbian and know bit of Russian. Can you spell it without gooogle on Russian since Serbia is not big country ?
One does start to understand why Gilmour can’t stand him.
What ¿?
Ngl i always assumed he disliked him for the Richard Wright situation
I think a lot of Pink Floyd fans are also starting to dislike his character , regardless of how much talent Roger has , as a human he fails immensely .
I cant stand him either.!!!!!...
Roger waters has lost his mind.
Just another sad old man…
Roger broke up the band and now he wants to look over his shoulder. It's history. Get over it.
Roger left and thought the band would fold, it actually became bigger.
Yeah but the songwriting suffered immensely
It did not become bigger! Lol what are you even saying they had a couple good singles. Roger wrote all the songs we love all the albums we loved. I’m the biggest fan of David Gilmore and I’m not a fan of Roger but let’s call a spade a spade ROGER IS THE SONG WRITER.
@@holdencaulfield4808 I Think Division bell has fantastic songwriting...Roger's style is unique and mostly conceptual. If you are a fan of his style that is one thing, but to say that songwriting suffered is just not true.
Agreed that Division Bell is a great album!
True.
Gilmour alone carried Pink Floyd all the way till the end. You left the band because of your Ego and he kept playing and touring....
not alone mate, and not because of ego. if you don't know thw reason then go and ask him !
Gilmour did not "carry" Pink Floyd, if you had half a brain you'd realize it took Rogers lyrics in combined with Gilmour, Wright, and Masons playing to make the music they made
@@RoosterRandy 🖕🏿
@@RoosterRandy I dont think so.....You can say what you want,but David Guilmore could/and still can play and sing......Waters is a good songwriter but a guy who think that he can forse people to follow his bas-guitarr:-)
Guys stop protecting Waters, he was a terrible human being. He still a prick, he was part of the band, great writer of lyrics but shitty bass player. Wright and Gilmour were the sound, especially Wright.
Jesus...at this point, Roger ought to start a band with Ace Frehley and Peter Criss, and call themselves The Bitter Old Men. Their first album could be called "The Consequences of Our Own Actions."
I love that! 😂
Perfect. Agreed.
@@geetarman I believe you totally missed the point of that post. That was some superb sarcasm if I ever heard any.
Classic!
Lmao 👍
Seriously man, nobody gives a fiddlers about Dave Killminster, whatever his name is, David Gilmour was the magic that made Floyd work, without him, its dead in the waters.. :)
You'll always be a part of pink floyd history, but when you quit, you're out!!!
Roger Waters proves that money can't buy you class nor dignity. What a shallow little man.
I agree 1000%
Well Atleast he’s 6’5 I wish I was atleast 5’10😭
Nope! RW is the reason PF are iconic.
Bingo!
Roger Waters is the one of the few celebrities actually fighting for freedom of the press. He has more integrity than most.
I've just spent about 20 minutes reading through these comments and I don't think a single one supports Roger's point of view. Wake up Roger. We respect your incredible musicianship, but you aren't included in the Pink Floyd website because you aren't part of Pink Floyd, which was your own doing. Get over it
I must say, this was exactly my thought. Roger burned some bridges in the past with his behaviour and attitude. Well, the consequence of that is what we can see here.
@@piotrkarel Nobody, literally nobody, wants to hear some wanker sing songs about himself and his own feelings. We want to hear songs about us. Pink Floyd wrote songs about us, originally. They became a Waters boo-hoo wankfest with the Wall, then with the Final Cut he even decided the rest of the band was getting in his way. Whatever anyone says about post-Roger PF, the other 3 guys were brilliant in their own right and deserved to be allowed to contribute their own genius to songs.
Man, I just visited the site and for such an immersive, visually spectacular band, it looks like a shitty Geocites site from 1994.
@@christophersantiago6845 Same! Just experienced Roger Waters This is not a drill in Cinci last week and it was amazing!
I absolutely share Rogers point of view. Pink Floyd is more than a legal entity owned by david gilmour. David never named the band and he wrote next to none of the lyrics, most of the chords and melodies even are rogers. So David is being a dick using the law to hoard access to pink floyd away from roger 50 years after the fact. According to bunch of lawyers pink floyd may belong to david. , but in creativity reality, where the music came into existence, pink floyds as much rogers if not more than it is davids. David should acknowledge that. Roger did make mistake letting david get legal custody of pink floyd. Roger should have stayed in until he died, and just did all his solo work, but he short sighted and underestimated davids pettiniess.
Gilmour had mad respect for Syd unlike the rest of pink floyd
“there is no dark side of Roger Waters. As a matter of fact, he’s all dark.”
Don't give David Gilmore hard time. Work it out...
he is the one who tried to kill the band in 1985. Rather than just leaving the band, he took them to court to stop the other members from continuing on.
Kinda reminds me of Robbie Robertson.
Correct. And we fans always wanted Pink Floyd to continue back then. So glad that David and Nick were persistent in keeping the band going in the late 1980s and later, despite a lawsuit/s from Rodger…and Rick becoming a full member again…
That's silly. The other members were free to make music. Why did they need to use the name Pink Floyd? Roger didn't. I have the answer: money. The others knew if they didn't use the name Pink Floyd it would be a complete disaster. They used the name to make a financial killing. That is the one and only reason. They became exactly what Waters' lyrics railed against for years.
@@stickman1742 lol the fuck are you talking about? band members leave bands all the time and the rest of the band continues, it's as normal as it gets in music business. Roger is just one man on an endless list of people who left their bands, but one of the very few who took the rest of the band to court to force them to quit...which by the way he has admitted to be a mistake and says he regrets doing it. I've been to his The Wall tour concert, as part of the show during the Mother he stops and talks about how "fucking misrable" he was back then, yet some people still defend him!
@@stickman1742 You could very well say that Pink Floyd ultimately became what Syd Barrett railed against, too.
Roger is like a kid that left the park and pretends that the other kids that love it there can't play either... Dude, get over it, if you left, you left. Period. Let the other members do whatever they decide to do.If a parent leaves the house for good, then he/she has no saying on anything within the house.
"David thinks he owns Pink Floyd, He thinks he IS Pink Floyd"
Brother, you LEFT the band! which makes David more Pink Floyd than you'll ever be FFS
Give it up, Roger. You left the band, you tried to kill the name, you failed.
I respect your music. I like your music. I don`t respect your actions when you left the band. Just let it go.
he's the genius of the PF attitude. the PF icon sound.
@@voodoodisco Yeah the pf attitude with him in the band was always.....poor, poor me, while they were all raking in millions
@@voodoodisco Big claim. He surely got his space on 'The Wall'. However, that still wasn't enough for him somehow. For most people PF is also a bit more than that. Like Dark Side, where there was also space for Rick and Nick. To claim that they have nothing to offer just because Roger felt there was no space for anybody but himself seems a bit cynical to me.
You miss the point. Just because Roger left, he was and always will be inseparable from Pink Floyd. He made the right decision by trying to end it while they were on top. It’s weird to see so many fans who wish Pink Floyd would have followed the same embarrassing path as the Stones and so many other bands that haven’t made a decent record in three decades.
I can see why he has tried to end Pink Floyd with him leaving.
He was there at the start and seems to have been the biggest creative force behind the band.
He thinks his input in the project was significant enough to justify Pink Floyd ending with him.
And I think it's fair, of course David was important too but the albums after The Final Cut kind of lack research and experimentation.
Dave Grohl created the Foo Fighters after Kurt passed, he didn't continue with Nirvana.
And judging by his political takes, Roger seems to have a very empathetic, sound and coherent worldview so I think his criticism here is not petty rambling.
Is it really important for people in general? No, but I think you cannot understand what it feels to have the name of your life's work used without your implication.
The music he created is what he will have left to humanity. We know he is the one who made it, but maybe he is too close to it to realize that the others keeping the name is not really a big deal.
What a sad old man, trapped in the past. Still blaming his regrets on others.
You live with the choices you make.
Dragged down by the stone.
You have nailed it!! Greatest way to say a lot in few words!!👍
What? David is obviously more bitter about this than Roger.
@@kramalerav damn, Rog can be a dick, but I sure hope he doesn't become a sad old man, dying of cancer.
@The Terrence Reardon Podcast Not sure that's relevant to who is more bitter about the split but you made your agenda clear.
David Gilmour is the main reason so many people love Pink Floyd
I’d go see Gilmour without Waters. Not vice- vera.
With ya ✌️
agree
Spot on ..:)
I loved the work with waters involved more than the later albums but I still love a lot of tracks off them.
Tell the judge. Stop crying to us. Those three are Pink Floyd. You are the wall guy.
David was the only member through the decades to make sure Syd’s royalties and due were honored.
And ironically he knew Syd the shortest amount of time.
BULLSHIT
@@BrendanJSmith Where did you get that from? David knew Syd from before PF. Syd was 16 when he and Dave got to know each other.
@@sillbit didn't Syd go to school with Roger, Richard, and Nick though?
@@BrendanJSmith Not sure. But he did meet David when starting at Cambridgeshire College in 1962. I haven't seen anything about when he met the others, but it seems it might have been in 1965 after switching to Camberwell College.
I love how a screenshot of this video was posted on the pink floyd website wishing Rog a happy birthday, nice move Dave.
I immediately joined that website after knowing Roger was banned.
It’s great to see I’m not alone in my dislike of Waters. He has gone as far as saying he wrote the music for dark side. No he didn’t. Every single song on dark side was written by Richard and David. Bass players might be able to write lyrics but the guy at the time and still now barely can play a guitar and cannot play piano at all. Yet he has the balls to say he gets mad when he here’s them playing all my songs. He’s a miserable old man that lost everything including his best friends.
That’ tends to happen when you sue your friends
@@JohnPandolfo121 You’re 100% wrong. Roger had demos of Time and Money he brought to the rest of the band and he wrote Brain Damage almost completely by himself.
@@ralphiecifaretto8961 Then please explain why there are videos right here on CZcams of Richard and David explaining how they both wrote the music while Roger was writing the lyrics. Are you saying there flat out lying?? Or do you believe the egomaniac that took his best friends to court ...twice. Roger didn't play the guitar except for some simple rhythm back then and still doesn't know how to play the piano. How did he write music he can't play?? Not rocket science. And yes if you want I will send you the link of both david and richard explaining how the process went.
@@JohnPandolfo121 Not necessarily lying, but there’s demos on CZcams of Time and Money by Roger Waters, without the rest of the band. They added their parts after wrote the songs. Roger wrote ALL the lyrics, came up with the song structures and chord progressions, came up with most of the sound effects, and the album cover was his idea. He deserves most of the credit for that album. Or at least more than the rest of the band. I’d give him at least 50% credit, and the rest of the guys share the other 50%.
As a lyricist and songwriter he´s one of the best ever but as a human being he´s deplorable. Always pledging for love while everything that comes out from his mouth is anger and bitterness. Poor rich man you are Mr. Waters.
Not saying I would want to hang out with the guy haha, but I almost like that about him. I love ALL the Floyd members and the vast majority of their collective work (and some solo), and I also miss the days of more artists who were "characters" in the rogue-ish sense, I suppose. Somewhat anti-social, prickly, tormented (or torment-ING?...), not really "people skills" folks, etc. That used to go more hand in hand with being an artist, it seems (including classical composers!) I'm not here to say if that's morally desirable or whatever. Just saying that we've come to a place where art itself seems to be judged only on whether the artist is a "good guy", which is nuts. I myself have always liked people who do something I like, even if they may be personal messes or unethical in some ways. I am a fan of people like Scott Weiland, Gene Simmons, Michael Jackson, Kid Rock, I even still like some R Kelly songs. All are people who are/were variously addicted messes, huge A-holes, criminals or accused criminals, or hold controversial opinions etc. And I love the art I love, I DON'T care what these guys act like or believe, frankly.
"Roger Waters left Pink Floyd in 1985 and took the other members to court to attempt to stop them using the name. He lost the case and lost the rights to the Pink Floyd name. He later said he was wrong to sue them."
Dear Roger, David Gilmour was the best thing that could have happened in your life. You should just thank him. Except for jeff beck, all the guitarists you've had since you left Pink Floyd, put together aren't worth a finger from David's left hand.
Amen to that!
snowy white is an amazing guitarist
David Gilmour would have been nothing without Roger Waters. Pink Floyd would be just another psychadelic jam band that faded away after the 60s. His solo work is unlistenable and he had to bring in 25 other songwriters to replace Waters in order to make mediocre albums.
@@ralphiecifaretto8961 David’s not the one attacking Roger
Rogers ego is why the band could never be happy
I mean, Eric Clapton though....
In the 70s, in my then capacity as a staffer (gopher) at WZMF (Milwaukee) radio, I spent time with members of Pink Floyd, on several occasions. Waters was an ass even back then... and it seems, to this day, Waters still remains one.
Well asses do tend to get bigger with age. 😀
Awesome insight.
This is just sad. He's got fame, money, talent...and decades later he still just sits around bitching. How'd someone get so old and not learn to grow up?
One of the biggest life lessons, Roger, is that you can't blame someone else for your own choices. No matter how much money you have.
im agree
Talk about destructive elephants in the room. He was clueless 2 yrs ago about who that was, clueless about the destructive force in the band, and probably still is clueless, even though today we have to worry about an elephant starting a nuclear war over greed. Gilmore was probably the sanest and most practical of the bunch. Don't blame him for allowing the distance to remain between them. Rodgers wants in on the website. That's rich. Did he contribute to it's generation and feels entitled because there's group music that he played and sang in? Well, maybe he should've forked over his share of the investment money creating the website, not come along after the work was done and demand to be let back in. He left of his own free will. Took his ball and went home. Living with the choices made. We all must. I agree get over it.
That’s why you have your own website Roger. You left Pink Floyd.
A real Pink Floyd fan only cares for the band as a whole. We dont care about egos. For me, Roger, Dave, Nick, Rick and,Syd - by the way- and all your work is all that matters. Long live Pink Floyd
ABSOLUTE TRUTH, BROTHER. !
Yes and Pink Floyd is all five members not just one Roger...
that's the way it is
When Sid went mad so did all the other members…………..thank you Pinky for all the great music.
Exactly. The Roger vs David people are cringe af
What a piece of work. There's something wrong with Rodger Waters' brain.
@Mick Standing "Then" ? Did you mean "Than" ? Hey Mr Ruski then and than are 2 different words
@Mick Standing باز هم بیاید
David won't put Mother on the page because his wife won't let him
Comfortably numb solo by David Gilmour, now that's a Pink Floyd.
Deterministically modern (post-1971/Obscured by Clouds) Floyd yes.
He blithely disrespects Gilmour’s family as the Von Trapps and then wonders why Gilmour wants nothing to do with him?
I think he resents David's talent and family life. Hey, your choice Roger.
You attract what you deserve in life.
I don't/didn't get the Von Trapps reference.
@@MrSlowestD16 He could be referencing The Sound of Music or the real Von Trapp family I'm not really sure. But in this case he used it as a dig to David’s family life.
@@bassplayer2011ify Ah, I figured it was from the musical, but yeah, not quite sure.
Either way, crazy thing to take a dig at somebody for.
all of ya are wrong. david and polly (and family) during covid lockdowns and such, would do a podcast where they would all perform and chat and whatnot. dave and polly called it the "von trapped family" after the von trapps from sound of music. and of course roger is calling them the von trapp family.
It sounds kind of ridiculous hearing Roger talk about how it's fair to have "equal access" to Pink Floyd... And then proceeding to slam Gilmour for "Thinking he owns Pink Floyd"
Gotta let it go man and move on. You dug your own grave in the past through your own narcissism.
Right? He left the band, but wants an equal cut of the dough.
@@KelticTim Indeed. He gets the equal cut of what he contributed with, but what he really wants is to stop the remaining band members from making money from their work in the name of Pink Floyd. That is nothing but petty envy from Mr. Waters' part. There is a court ruling about the ownership of the band Pink Floyd, so no controversy there either.
Let me quote Roger Waters when he unknowingly was describing himself with song lyrics:
"Just another sad old man
All alone and dying of cancer"
His cancer is his bitterness.
RW is the genius of Pink Floyd. get over it
@@voodoodisco *was and he wasn't the only genius. And that is still too much for him to bear hence he can't get over it.
@@voodoodisco yea, they crashed and burned the second he left.
Rodger Waters has early onset Demetria this is very clear, so so sad.
Without Syd, the Floyd would have never happened. With him, it never would have continued. Without both Waters and Gilmour it never would have succeeded.
I can't understand how a man of your intelligence and musical genius shows such immaturity, bitterness and ignorance over something which clearly is going against you, as the public opinion shows. You were part of the greatest band ever and anyone with knowledge of Pink Floyd, knows well of your influence on the music and creation of the pieces that will last for eternity....let your bitterness go as you risk people remembering for your this rather than your genius...
Proper words
Narcissisms and bullheaded are not hard to understand Ric. You come across people like that everyday. Most people at least have that one family member who thinks they are always right and anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot (especially in politics). Makes Christmas dinners a real drama show.
Well said pretty much right although I don't know if Pink Floyd is truly the greatest rock band ever - they did hit on a certain something in a certain way that no one else quite did. Unfortunately Roger Waters stained my appreciation for their creative genius a long time ago and he's just gotten worse since. I don't blame David Gilmour or Nick Mason or anyone else for distancing from him. The tortured artist stereotype is nothing new and I think Waters just wants to take that stereotype and use it to define himself. He probably has bipolar disorder or something like that, which makes him absolute hell to be around despite his genius intelligence and all that.
Well said!
@@geetarman You mean three sides to every story. Gilmour's work is very good, but he can't write lyrics. He can compose well and he's good at condensing. But Lyrics and themes has always been his weakness. Roger can compose and write lyrics, but his weakness is that he over does it. Too much ego. Too much opinion. He doesn't condense his work well. The Wall and the Final Cut are perfect examples. They are supposed to be the same album. Gilmour and Ezrin condensed and streamlined "the Wall" and cut out a lot of fat. That fat Roger used to make "Final Cut". The most complex compositions on the Wall is where Gilmour's compositions come in. Young Lust, Comfortably Numb, Run like Hell were Gilmour compositions. Not one of those had lyrics written by Gilmour.
These two may have been at bitter odds, but coincidentally, Gilmour's strengths are right in line with balancing out Roger's weakness.... And vise versa. Gilmour was right! What was cut from "The Wall" was Meh. I just can't sit through "Final Cut". Roger just can't leave "well enough" alone. Roger writes some really good stuff, but by the time I finish one of his Solo albums, I go from "this is Cool stuff" to "meh".
“OK, I’m not going to get all weird and sarcastic…“
Uhhh..too late. 🤦🏽♂️
Get over yourself Roger…without David Gilmour…there wouldn’t be any Pink Floyd.
Roger Waters in Pink Floyd was awesome ! Roger Waters the person - sad and pathetic. Let it go friend.
David Gilmour saved Pink Floyd after Syd went nuts and Roger’s singing voice sucks without David Pink Floyd would’ve been forgotten.
R u high ?
@@sjsj9106 no. But I’m guessing you are.
Without Roger Waters Pink Floyd would have disappeared into irrelevancy. David Gilmour’s contributions are great, but I don’t think the band works with him as the heart and driving force.
You don’t like Roger Waters, and fine, but I think your feelings for him as a person are warping your feeling for him as an artist. Or maybe you just have crap opinions, who knows.
@@ilygojo if it WASN'T for all of them there wouldn't have been no pink Floyd yeah...I like David hes a great artist..but your comment is overrated at best mate. They needed each other. If it wasn't for Syds recommendation David Gilmore wouldn't be here..... technically.🇬🇧 You Americans..lol...
U forget who wrote the song after syd
It's rather sad watching him sitting there talking about how unfair life is.
He chose to leave, he thought the band would fold, when they didn't he tried to sue them to stop them using the name. Like someone leaving their spouse hoping they will crumble then seeing them later and realising they're happier than ever - he thought that their life wouldn't go on without him and this is a painful realty check that (for them) he is nothing more than an irrelevance.
Let it go Roger, you have much more to give the world.
Another beautiful analysis!! Lots of people have this Dude figured out!👍
David Gilmore wouldn't be shit without Roger's songs to sing and play on. Sorry, it's true. Sounds like your armchair analysis doges the clear point a heart, which is that Gilmore bans any mention of Roger's work on Pink Floyd's website. That is just wrong. After Syd fell apart, Roger was the main creative force and songwriter during Floyd's golden age.
@@colinmurphy3478 No one disputes any of that. People just want Roger to move on FFS and stop whining. Its not a good look/
Speaking of leaving spouses, Rog has left 3
💯.you decide to leave for whatever reason, move on dude 🤷🏼
Roger is the real man. David is an obedient sheep.
Dude, you quit the band. You sued the members who didn't quit, and they're supposed give a shit about what YOU think is fair? At this point Pink Floyd has survived longer without out than your time you were with them.
Roger, you left and then tried to prevent the others continuing. Thankfully they kept going but you’re still out - it’s what you wanted. Your lyrics were probably masterful but without the other three, and particularly David, I seriously doubt I and many others would have ever had the chance to hear them or even bothered to try. You’re obviously still upset but try to let it go… Remember when you were young…
Amen!
So...who owned the rights to the name of the group? How did it become Gilmour's?
@@alexkx8599 When Roger quit and walked away.
It did not become anything, it was left to the three who were still in the band (Well, two and later all three of the others).
If four people own something together, and one walks away and says "I do not want this anymore", that person who walks away cannot force the others to walk away from their ownership.
Roger walked away.
Are you able to comprehend this?
@Fab4 I do not recall any three of The Beatles wanting to continue to use the name.
Are you unclear of the distinction between a decision reached by mutual consent of all parties involved, and one where three of four dispute the contention that the band is no more?
@@nickmcginley4570
Exactly! They didn’t want to continue
to use the name, because they KNEW,
that there would be no Beatles without
Paul. It’s not about what some judge
somewhere decides. It’s not a legal
matter, but something much more
valuable than that. ✌️
I saw Pink Floyd in concert back in the 90's. David Gilmour carried the entire show because you were not there. It was a great show, you were not missed. Sorry about your going crazy.
Best comment ever!
I vote you the winner of the internet.
Roger's still trappeed in his giant ego. How sad.
Roger "Whining" Waters.... what a miserable sod. Awesome lyricist, great vision but his grand ego and his battles with the band, especially Gilmour, tainted their legacy somewhat. 😢
Boo Hoo. You left the band and then tried everything in your power to try and stop them. Now you expect to peddle your crap on the website? Gimme a break.
What do you want to break?
Yea, because Roger needs to pedal his crap…. He has the 6th highest grossing tour ever with his Wall tour and has a net worth of estimated 300 million plus. Roger has always been to the point and here he is answering a question he’s been asked. Not sure why you are angry/upset about it.
@@user-tz2zz5ij1s I was referring to his solo material. In case you missed it, The Wall was a Pink Floyd album. As someone who has bought and listened to his solo albums, I’m entitled to the opinion that they’re crap. The sales numbers would suggest I’m not alone, but Roger seems to believe it’s because he doesn’t have the Pink Floyd name (hence his extended rant).
@@bertjilk3456 In case you missed it, you do know that The Wall was basically a solo record from Roger which is why he eventually left? Roger was the heart and soul of Pink Floyd. The main contributor and the guidance to all their top selling albums. I would disagree, Amused to Death and Is This The Life We Really Want are better than anything Pink Floyd has done post Roger Leaving. They also sold very well. We are all entitled to our opinions chief. So is Roger when answering a question. Without Roger there would have never been a Pink Floyd. You really going to say Division Bell is good and holds up TDSOTM, Wish You Were Here or The Wall? Roger is just simply stating that he believes that a website called The Pink Floyd should also include him and what he’s up to. And fun fact, I’ve seen Roger live on three different tours with a ticket for the next This is Not a Drill tour in the past 15 years. When’s the last time you could catch a Pink Floyd tour? Roger to this day is keeping Pink Floyd’s music alive, viable, and able to experience. I’m pretty sure fans just love the music. There is no Us and Them when it comes to the music. They aren’t competing. Hell David even showed up and played on a couple of Rogers tours. Don’t be a hater and just a negative person. You can do better than that.
@@user-tz2zz5ij1s All your opinion, which you’re entitled to as well (except that Gilmour appeared for two songs, at one concert). I’m glad you enjoyed his concerts, I did too (but I missed the signature sound of Gilmour and Wright, which were integral to PF). I also enjoyed Gilmour’s tours even more, because I’m more partial to the MUSIC of PF.
The fact remains, Waters left Pink Floyd rather bitterly, and it’s more than a bit laughable that he now wants to use it as an advertising platform. Which begs the question, if his solo career is as resoundingly successful as you suggest (hint: it isn’t), why does he even care about the website of his former band? Allow me to suggest the answer: he wants the marketing clout that the brand name ‘Pink Floyd’ carries. If I was Gilmour, I would say the same thing. F-off! That’s not hating, it’s just reality.
What a deep, sad , tragedy, that two icons from one of Great Britain's legend bands, whom have not only written, created and performed some the greatest musical moments in history, but have inspired generations to learn musical instruments and composition, have yet to put the past utterly behind them, and come together before it's too late and leave this planet to return to being stardust with their bandmates.
One can only hope.
Gilmore is so much better and has way more serious music. I was so happy when Walters left.
I' ve always loved Roger and his politics until he still is ambigeous about
Putin . I' m.out .
@@rj2011g who's better than who doesnt even matter because the music and legend they gave us wouldn't have happened with out ALL of them! Yes gilmour absolutely was what they needed to drive them where they went but still it wouldn't have happened with out Roger! .... David Gilmour is the most incredible, beautiful, magical guitarist period i will say that for sure! I've never heard someone play guitar in a way that makes you feel every single emotion! His guitar sings and cries and laughs and screams and orgasims lol
Too bad Gilmore is to stupid
Not to mention they wrote a full album about life which is what got them huge and ironically tore them apart with the egos they grew from fame. They need to take their own lyrics to heart..especially roger. Honestly from all I've studied and watched over the years, there's a reason why roger was banned. He's Honestly thebasshole in the feud. Way before he left the Floyd he was the control freak and pretty much made Dave feel like just because he came after Syd that he has no say so David took that as being spat in his face for years so yea I don't blame him for the resentment he holds on roger but roger has no right. He left and David wanted to continue. Roger's ego didn't want that and tried stopping him and lost so yea if you didn't want pink Floyd to continue then you shouldn't have any control over what Floyd is anymore. Period.
I love every single era Pink Floyd has produced. I also have loved each person's solo projects. I have no desire to badmouth any of them. My assumption is that since Roger left the band, the remaining members want to maintain control of their brand. If someone left a company, but attempted to keep access to their advertising or marketing department, there would be lawsuits. They didn't erase Roger from the past, they just don't allow him any control from outside of the band he chose to leave.
"Thank you Roger! I truly appreciate and love everything that you created (musically) with and without Pink Floyd. All of it has had a profound impact on my life."
agree
A lovely sober and mature perspective - double thumbs up!
Very well said.
Well if composer and songwriter leaves (and that is what Roger was , all songs done by him) you might wanna let him keep name of the band and start something else instead of using "company" name to sell different products made by you. As for personal attacks , couldn't care less.
we all arabs we do respect mr roger waters for his music and for his support to Palestinian people , so yes we love you mr roger waters because you are not running after money but you are making a historical golden touch as a real human full of love , you are a legend
Seriously…. It’s cause you’re not Pink Floyd anymore as you just said, “you left the band” so your “recreation” of mother no matter how good it is(& it was good btw) is NOT Pink Floyd 🤷♂️
True dat. As good as Kilminster is, he does not play like Gilmour. There is a difference in sound and emotional impact.
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 The “Pink Floyd” formula:
“The strength of Pink Floyd lies in the music, the music MUST be able to stand Alone BEFORE adding the HEAVY WEIGHT of Lyrics”- David Gilmour
@@jakehunt3392 .. and the man knows music!
There’s a difference between Syd Barrett and the guy that replaced him, too
Waters' ego has never allowed him to appreciate or express gratitude for the privilege of collaborating with a genius among guitar players.
Gilmour Also should express gratitude to play with a great song writer such waters
Oriol font, Gilmore already does that so I'm not sure what plannet u live on but it's not esrth..
Dave makes great music with out roger. Roger cant make good music with anyone that is not David.
@@oriolfont4101 Roger is a one trick pony. He has not write anything worth listening to since the wall. That was 40 years ago! The only tracks on the wall or Animals that have stood the test of time are the ones Dave was involved with.
Yeah, water was, at least, a great artist but has always been an insignificant man.
Poor Roger Waters, always jealous of true musical talent. Nobody would have heard of Pink Floyd had it not been for the guitar pyrotechnics of Dave Gilmour. Truth be told, Roger Waters played a bit part in David Gilmour's band. He's the luckiest guy in the world to have stumbled into a great band and become famous by association. Roger Waters is OK, but let's not get carried away...he was clearly the least talented musician in the group, and it always baffles me why he's not more grateful.
I'm sorry to say that but without David Gilmour, PF would be nothing.
>leaves the band
>sues the remaining members for still using the band's name
>fails
>complains he's not featured on the website
🤡
He wrote all the songs, why shouldn't he be mentioned on the website
Roger is guaranteed a joker.
@@davedoogan6650
Because he betrayed and backstabbed them.
@@ieo8446 He wrote all the songs He made them famous. Now he is being stabbed in the back. Yep.
@The Terrence Reardon Podcast LoL absolute Bollocks
As a 43 year old fan who has been through a tough life it’s saddens me to know that you who made the most meaningful music and have probably made tons of money individually can’t seem to get past the petty shit I thought was reserved for us poor people who live ordinary lives.
It's because they like us are ordinary men. I do agree quibbles are dumb, but humans will be humans.
Watters wears a tin foil hat..
could not agree more.
I would think that with tons of money, success there would actually be ADDED human complications. This actually seems like one of the less insane ones I've heard of. Humans are all still human, even though all members of Pink Floyd came together to make some of the most awesome musics even IMAGINABLE...
That's a pretty dim statement considering Roger Waters founded Pink Floyd and brought David in years down the line.
Roger you’re not Pink Floyd.
Oh man, an old tired man lashing out at windmills. Pink Floyd was a band not a person.
Despite your past contributions, you chose to leave the band, so cannot claim to be part of Pink Floyd from that moment.
It hurts when the band isn’t about you, doesn’t it?
Kind of how you made the rest of the band feel when you said pink Floyd was no more because you were “breaking up the band”
Well Rodger, when you walked away from Pink Floyd you walked away from Pink Floyd and who kept PF alive for the last 37 years?
David Gilmore.
All in all you’re just another brick in the PF wall
Floyd without Waters is Hamlet without the Prince.